If Hatton really want Mayweather........

[robpalmer135]

Why doesn't he move up to W/W. If he had 3 fights there he will surley become stronger and would have a better chance agaisnt Mayweather.

[GazOC]

Yep, then if he loses there he'll have no belts and no Mayweather. Staying at 140 keeps his options open.

[kurt2006]

To add to what GazOc wrote there is a stong possibility of him losing at 147 unless he fights 3rd rate boxers. Look at what the likes of Collazo did to him.

Hatton is shit scared of Cotto as it is and will do anything to avoid him, Cotto moving to 147 was a fantastic gift for Hatton as now he can claim he is best at 140 without the threat of Cotto.

Its not about having a realistic chance of beating PBF but about the money and the media circus that attracts Hatton to a rematch with PBF. He will never beat him. I think you could tie Floyds laces together and he would still beat Hatton.

[GazOC]

I don't know that I'd put it quite that way esp. the part about Cotto. It seems to me Kurt that Cotto has just come in over the last few days as your sub for Witter?

[kurt2006]

I don't know that I'd put it quite that way esp. the part about Cotto. It seems to me Kurt that Cotto has just come in over the last few days as your sub for Witter?

:lol: check my posts young man. I was more a Judah man than Witter, so I dont know why you keep thinking I was pro Witter. Yes it would have been nice to have seen Witter and Hatton fight (instead of Maligfaggot) but I would rather see him fight Cotto or Judah.

Having watched a few Cotto fights I can see him busting Hattons arse much worse than PBF did.

You think Hatton stands any chance against Cotto ? :nono

[GazOC]

Not at Cottos weight of 147, probably not.

I don't think Cotto is going to sail through Margo like some people think...

[kurt2006]

Not at Cottos weight of 147, probably not.

I don't think Cotto is going to sail through Margo like some people think...

Going by Saturdays performance I would not even pick Hatton at 140 over Cotto.

[GazOC]

:lol: check my posts young man. I was more a Judah man than Witter, so I dont know why you keep thinking I was pro Witter. Yes it would have been nice to have seen Witter and Hatton fight (instead of Maligfaggot) but I would rather see him fight Cotto or Judah.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you particulary rated Witter. I'm just saying first it he was the tool to bash Hatton with charges of ducking and now he's been beaten you are using Cotto who isn't even in the same weight class.

[rydersonthestorm]

I don't think cotto would have beaten hatton at 140 when they had the chance to fight, he was to weight drained, he would kill hatton at 147 but the extra 7 pounds makes a big difference to both men.

[kurt2006]

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you particulary rated Witter. I'm just saying first it he was the tool to bash Hatton with charges of ducking and now he's been beaten you are using Cotto who isn't even in the same weight class.

I understand what you are saying but you are saying it to the wrong man. Yes I have posted quite a few times mentioning Judah and now like the look of Cotto.

There are only 7lb's in it, you think if Cotto was offered £5m he would not shed the 7lb ?

The original post mentioned Hatton fighting at 147 for the experience and to get strong. Cotto fights at 147 so why not get strong against him ?

[GazOC]

"To get strong"??? How about he goes to 154 and gets "really strong"?

I don't know if Cotto can or would make 140 for £5mil for even if there is £5mil in that fight for Cotto?

[TFFP]

Because if he stays at 147 he'll get his ass handed to him, even if he fights a fringe contender

At 140 with a couple of easy wins he can fool people into thinking that a fight in the UK would be somewhat competetive and worthwhile.

[GazOC]

Because if he stays at 147 he'll get his ass handed to him, even if he fights a fringe contender

At 140 with a couple of easy wins he can fool people into thinking that a fight in the UK would be somewhat competetive and worthwhile.

Thats pretty fair. Hatton is not top 5 welter material, maybe top 10. It makes sense to stay fighting at his weight of 140 and hope a rematch comes along in the meantime. If it doesn't then he's still champ at 140 and not just another fringe welter contender.

[kurt2006]

"To get strong"??? How about he goes to 154 and gets "really strong"?

I don't know if Cotto can or would make 140 for £5mil for even if there is £5mil in that fight for Cotto?

I was just using the words of the first poster.

There must be a couple of million in the fight for Cotto. If Hatton can get megabucks for a one sided fight against PBF then I do not see why Cotto can't make a few million.

[GazOC]

I was just using the words of the first poster.

There must be a couple of million in the fight for Cotto. If Hatton can get megabucks for a one sided fight against PBF then I do not see why Cotto can't make a few million.

So Cotto is ducking Hatton at 140?;) Tell him to quit making excuses, get his ass into gear and lose the weight.....

[kurt2006]

So Cotto is ducking Hatton at 140?;) Tell him to quit making excuses, get his ass into gear and lose the weight.....

Probably the other way round i.e. Hatton is ducking Cotto. We keep hearing Ray and Ricky blowing Maligfaggots trumpet as if he is the second coming of Christ. Never ever heard them mention Cotto, I guess it makes sense to only mention the name sof shitty fighters you can beat easily like maligfaggot. If they mentioned Cotto and he agreed then the Hattons would be up shit creek. A loss against Cotto would knock the PBF rematch on the head (and more importantly to the mega money he would get form that fight). I suppose Hatton can continue fighting shit till a big money fight comes along. If not PBF then ODH.

[GazOC]

Yep, "probably the other way around" ie. you don't know but it doesn't matter because its Hatton.

Hattons at 140 and Cotto is at 147, and yet Hatton is ducking Cotto iat 140? They are simply fighting in different weight divisions theres no ducking going on and no great mystery.

I havn't much at all from the Hattons about PM, certainly not bragging up his boxing ability too much??? Or is that another "probably"?

[kurt2006]

Yep, "probably the other way around" ie. you don't know but it doesn't matter because its Hatton.

Hattons at 140 and Cotto is at 147, and yet Hatton is ducking Cotto iat 140? They are simply fighting in different weight divisions theres no ducking going on and no great mystery.

I havn't much at all from the Hattons about PM, certainly not bragging up his boxing ability too much??? Or is that another "probably"?

Why you get so defensive when it comes to Hatton ? Are you really Matt Hatton ?

How many years has Ricky and Ray been shitting about being best at 140 ? Was Cotto at 140 then ? I think so and whilst they bragged about being best they constantly ignored Cotto. Maybe you buy into the Ray and Ricky b/s but some of us can see through the PR b/s for what the real story is.

If they are fighting in different weight divisions then Hatton should shut the fck up about fighting PBF again. It is more than certain the PBF not coming down to 140.

[GazOC]

I'm no relation but the way every situation seems to be Hattons fault with some people is ridiculous. Even as in this case theres no evidence either way it still Hattons fault...err....probably.

I remember when both Hatton and Cotto were at 140 and Cotto (or his people) wern't keen on a Hatton fight either. They both wanted to keep their guys winning and earning, but you like to believe it was only Hatton because it suits your view of him.

Hatton should fight at whichever weight suits him best and if he feels its worth the risk/ reward moving up to 147 to take on one fighter but not another then thats his perogative as well.

[kurt2006]

I remember when both Hatton and Cotto were at 140 and Cotto (or his people) wern't keen on a Hatton fight either.

Is that something you believe because it suits your point of view ?

[GazOC]

Is that something you believe because it suits your point of view ?
I think the lack of hards facts that one side ducked the other and the fact that niether side really publicly pushed for the fight at 140 makes that a reasonable outlook to have on the situation?

Certainly better than using the lack of any evidence or proof to just pick one of the boxers to blame because you don't like him....

[kurt2006]

I think the lack of hards facts that one side ducked the other and the fact that niether side really publicly pushed for the fight at 140 makes that a reasonable outlook to have on the situation?

Certainly better than using the lack of any evidence or proof to just pick one of the boxers to blame because you don't like him....

More than enough proof that Hatton is a ducker. He has been fighting road sweepers for years and the only time he stepped it up (for money) he got whooped by PBF.

Now we have him and his dad once again talking up this maligfaggot puff. Why not Torres or anyone else at 140 ? I tell you why Hatton always fights low level fighters and they can see that Cotto destoyed Maligfaggot and now they want a piece of him.

[GazOC]

More than enough proof that Hatton is a ducker. He has been fighting road sweepers for years and the only time he stepped it up (for money) he got whooped by PBF.

Now we have him and his dad once again talking up this maligfaggot puff. Why not Torres or anyone else at 140 ? I tell you why Hatton always fights low level fighters and they can see that Cotto destoyed Maligfaggot and now they want a piece of him.
:lol:

Thats it, change the subject and provide nothing new to your argument re Cotto but childish insults. Learn how to debate a subject and not just repeatedly throw out the same unproven, personal rants.

Pauli is recognized as the number 2 in the world at 140, but I guess no matter who Hatton fights it'll always be the wrong fighter from your point of view.

[PowerPuncher]

:lol:
Pauli is recognized as the number 2 in the world at 140, but I guess no matter who Hatton fights it'll always be the wrong fighter from your point of view.

By who? He got a gift against Ngoudjo, so Herman should be above him for 1. Bradley has a better win than any of Malignaggis and WItter has still done way more than Malignaggi, even if he lost. Hell you could even have Kotelnik/Torres above Paulie

Not a bad fight this 1, but nothing to shout about either

[kurt2006]

:lol:

Thats it, change the subject and provide nothing new to your argument re Cotto but childish insults. Learn how to debate a subject and not just repeatedly throw out the same unproven, personal rants.

Pauli is recognized as the number 2 in the world at 140, but I guess no matter who Hatton fights it'll always be the wrong fighter from your point of view.

I think you need to learn how to debate instead of propagating propaganda and claiming it to be the truth based on your farcical logic.

Yes maligfaggot is heads and shoulders above the likes of Torres :lol: Whatever next ? Kendall Holt is number 3 ? :nut

[kurt2006]

By who? He got a gift against Ngoudjo, so Herman should be above him for 1. Bradley has a better win than any of Malignaggis and WItter has still done way more than Malignaggi, even if he lost. Hell you could even have Kotelnik/Torres above Paulie

Not a bad fight this 1, but nothing to shout about either

Kotelnik would rape Hattons ass all night. Ray and Ricky cant have that as then the mega money fight against PBF is down the toilet.

[KCD]

Kotelnik would rape Hattons ass all night. Ray and Ricky cant have that as then the mega money fight against PBF is down the toilet.

Do you really think Kotelnik would beat (rape) Hatton:huh

It would be a good fight and i like Kotelnik, but i thnik he is pretty one paced and it took everything he had to finally get rid of Rees.

[kurt2006]

Do you really think Kotelnik would beat (rape) Hatton:huh

It would be a good fight and i like Kotelnik, but i thnik he is pretty one paced and it took everything he had to finally get rid of Rees.

Lacanzo was catching Hatton easy, Kotelnik is 200% better and has more boxing nouse that Lazcano. Maybe not rape him but would be more interesting than watching him fight malignaggi.

[onourway]

Now we have him and his dad once again talking up this maligfaggot puff. Why not Torres or anyone else at 140 ? I tell you why Hatton always fights low level fighters and they can see that Cotto destoyed Maligfaggot and now they want a piece of him.

I'm sorry, but this is a classic example of hating on anything Hatton does.

Hatton fights the number 2 at the weight and you say he should fight somebody else.....despite you being one of the ones saying he had to fight Witter, because he was the number 2 at the weight before Bradley. :patsch

If Hatton beat Torres, you'd quite rightly say 'Who has Torres ever beat aside from a gift stoppage against Holt?'

[kurt2006]

I'm sorry, but this is a classic example of hating on anything Hatton does.

Hatton fights the number 2 at the weight and you say he should fight somebody else.....despite you being one of the ones saying he had to fight Witter, because he was the number 2 at the weight before Bradley. :patsch

If Hatton beat Torres, you'd quite rightly say 'Who has Torres ever beat aside from a gift stoppage against Holt?'

Who said maligfaggot is no.2 ? Ricky and his dad ?

Besides if that was the case why not fight Witter (before the loss he was rated higher than maligfaggot). Also the maligfaggot fight was made a long time before witter lost so please do not try and pull the wool over peoples eyes that it was made because he is no.2. The Hattons were intent on fighting maligfaggot come what may in the rankings.

Go check my past posts and you will know what I was advocating. Do a search for Zab Judah in the brit forum and see how many times I mentioned him with regards to whopping Hattons asshole :hey .

[onourway]

Who said maligfaggot is no.2 ? Ricky and his dad ?

Besides if that was the case why not fight Witter (before the loss he was rated higher than maligfaggot). Also the maligfaggot fight was made a long time before witter lost so please do not try and pull the wool over peoples eyes that it was made because he is no.2. The Hattons were intent on fighting maligfaggot come what may in the rankings.

Go check my past posts and you will know what I was advocating. Do a search for Zab Judah in the brit forum and see how many times I mentioned him with regards to whopping Hattons asshole :hey .

Ring magazine say he's number 2.

I'm saying that you wanted Hatton to fight the #2, so why aren't you pleased now?

Judah's happy being a gate keeper at 147, nobody from either party wants that fight or has mentioned it.

[columbo man]

I Think If Pbf And Hatton Fight Again, Pbf Will Win Again But More Convincingly!!!!

[kurt2006]

Ring magazine say he's number 2.

I'm saying that you wanted Hatton to fight the #2, so why aren't you pleased now?

Judah's happy being a gate keeper at 147, nobody from either party wants that fight or has mentioned it.

:lol: There you go again ignoring the fact that when the Hattons signed up Maligfaggot he was not no.2. Can you not get that into your head ? Are you so blinded by your love for Ricky that you do not understand this ? The Hattons were intent on the fight regardless of rankings.

Please do not get blinded by Ring Magazine. Sums it all up when they rate Gavin Rees as their no.5 and Torres does not even make their top 10. :hi:

Also the IBO (Hatton holds the IBO strap) still have Witter as their no.2. Maligfaggot is only no9.:scaredas:


Judah's happy being a gate keeper at 147, nobody from either party wants that fight or has mentioned it


Might help explain why Hatton loves fighting cans, he does not want to fight the real men in the LWW division.

[onourway]

:lol: There you go again ignoring the fact that when the Hattons signed up Maligfaggot he was not no.2. Can you not get that into your head ? Are you so blinded by your love for Ricky that you do not understand this ? The Hattons were intent on the fight regardless of rankings.

Please do not get blinded by Ring Magazine. Sums it all up when they rate Gavin Rees as their no.5 and Torres does not even make their top 10. :hi:

Also the IBO (Hatton holds the IBO strap) still have Witter as their no.2. Maligfaggot is only no9.:scaredas:



Might help explain why Hatton loves fighting cans, he does not want to fight the real men in the LWW division.

I'm not saying he fought Malignaggi, because he was #2.

What I am saying is, Malignaggi is the number 2, so why are you bothered that he's fighting the person in the position in the rankings that you wanted him to? It all worked out well for you in the end, you should be delighted.

Torres has one notable win, a dubious one at that, why would he be in the top 10?

Hatton isn't looking to fight a mandatory for his IBO, he's fighting the number 2 guy at his weight.

The real men in LWW? Judah isn't at LWW. :patsch Malignaggi is #2 at LWW.

[kurt2006]

I'm not saying he fought Malignaggi, because he was #2.

What I am saying is, Malignaggi is the number 2, so why are you bothered that he's fighting the person in the position in the rankings that you wanted him to? It all worked out well for you in the end, you should be delighted.

Torres has one notable win, a dubious one at that, why would he be in the top 10?

Hatton isn't looking to fight a mandatory for his IBO, he's fighting the number 2 guy at his weight.

The real men in LWW? Judah isn't at LWW. :patsch Malignaggi is #2 at LWW.

Look mate your ratings mean sweet FA and have already been dissected to shit. As for fighting the no.2 go back and have a look how many times I mentioned him fighting Witter. :scaredas: I guess you are too engrossed in your Hatton propaganda to back anything up.

How many notable wins does maligfaggot have ?

In fact how many notable wins does your uncle Ricky Hatton have ? By notable I mean prime fighters not past prime Kostya who was ready to hang his gloves up prior to getting lured into a Hatton fight for the money.

Fighting the no.2 my arse. Unless the Hattons are telepathinc and have extra sensory perception how the fck did they know that ring would rank maligfaggot as no.2 several months ago before, when the fight was made. There was no intention of fighting the no.2, it just so happens that ring have maligfaggot as their no.2 and kids like you now want to use their shitty ratings to make a song and dance about hatton being scared of no one.

Go do your coursework or revise for your GCSE's.:hi:

[onourway]

They're not my ratings, they're the ring ratings, you moron.

I really don't want to subject myself to going through your posts, I'd rather have a bath in acid, but I'm sure you mentioned wanting Hatton to fight the #2 at LWW.

Malignaggi has two wins over N'Dou and one over N'Goudjo. Your boy Torres has a win over Holt, which was a joke. (And if we're talking about a common fight, Torres got knocked out by Cotto, Malignaggi took him 12 rounds and won 4 to 5 rounds).

I'm not Hatton's uncle, it's adviseable we leaves uncles out of it....might bring up some bad childhood memories for you.

[pne buz]

To add to what GazOc wrote there is a stong possibility of him losing at 147 unless he fights 3rd rate boxers. Look at what the likes of Collazo did to him.

Hatton is shit scared of Cotto as it is and will do anything to avoid him, Cotto moving to 147 was a fantastic gift for Hatton as now he can claim he is best at 140 without the threat of Cotto.

Its not about having a realistic chance of beating PBF but about the money and the media circus that attracts Hatton to a rematch with PBF. He will never beat him. I think you could tie Floyds laces together and he would still beat Hatton.

Did Hatton shag your wife?:roflHow do you know hatton is scared of Cotto?Have you asked him!Stop speculating and talking shit.

[Fat Joe]

If Malignaggi is as bad as some make out and still #2 it must be a very weak division

[dan-b]

Gaz I think you've actually been very fair & honest in this thread. I think you, unlike some of the Hatton fanboys, accept his standpoint for what it is. If everyone said what you did there would be little to argue about. I've said before I would take no pleasure in watching a Hatton/Cotto fight. I think Hatton would take a horrible beating & I really don't dislike him anywhere near enough to see that.

I think staying at 140 is the only option for Hatton. I happen to believe no-one will get to fight Floyd for quite some time as I am hearing rumours of a two year hiatus. He's giving up his WBC belt & it's all gone very quiet on the DLH front. I think if Ricky ends up in another "superfight" it will be against someone coming up to him.

[pne buz]

If Malignaggi is as bad as some make out and still #2 it must be a very weak division

Im a Hatton fan and i think Malignaggi is and always has been overated!He shouldnt be No2 but its still a weak division.It doesnt mean Hatton isnt good though does it?Just because Mayweather and Cotto would probably beat him doesnt mean he isnt world class does it.I dont think you Hatton haters realise that we are not saying Ricky is the greatest fighter ever but you lot give him unjustified stick.There are two British boxers in the last few years to front genuine world class opponents in their prime,Hatton and Haye.One left ****** and one isnt with him.You work it out!!!Thats why people stick up for Hatton because if Hatton gets grief then 99% of prominent British fighters in the last 20 years should get stick for the fights they have avoided whilst spouting they are the best.Hatton isnt the best in the world but compared to most of ******s plastic champs hes gone out there and had a go!

[kurt2006]

Did Hatton shag your wife?:roflHow do you know hatton is scared of Cotto?Have you asked him!Stop speculating and talking shit.

Not married so go fuck yourself up the ass. I would say something about your wife but who would want to shag a eunuch ?

Why does he never mention Cotto ?

Look at Haye the guy has balls and is ready to confront Wlad.

What is your ladyboy Hatton doing ? Bitching about fighting the imaginary No.2 LWW in maligfaggot :nut

[kurt2006]

Im a Hatton fan and i think Malignaggi is and always has been overated!He shouldnt be No2 but its still a weak division.It doesnt mean Hatton isnt good though does it?Just because Mayweather and Cotto would probably beat him doesnt mean he isnt world class does it.I dont think you Hatton haters realise that we are not saying Ricky is the greatest fighter ever but you lot give him unjustified stick.There are two British boxers in the last few years to front genuine world class opponents in their prime,Hatton and Haye.One left ****** and one isnt with him.You work it out!!!Thats why people stick up for Hatton because if Hatton gets grief then 99% of prominent British fighters in the last 20 years should get stick for the fights they have avoided whilst spouting they are the best.Hatton isnt the best in the world but compared to most of ******s plastic champs hes gone out there and had a go!

You forgot JC. Haye fought Mormeck and won but like Kostya, Mormeck was well past his sell by date so make of it what you want.

[kurt2006]

They're not my ratings, they're the ring ratings, you moron.

I really don't want to subject myself to going through your posts, I'd rather have a bath in acid, but I'm sure you mentioned wanting Hatton to fight the #2 at LWW.


I'm not Hatton's uncle, it's adviseable we leaves uncles out of it....might bring up some bad childhood memories for you.

Carry on making shit up. The ring ratings mean sweet FA. If you want, you carry on using them to justify Hatton fighting faggot.

I did not say you were Hattons uncle (I said your uncle Hatton, which in my book makes you his nephew. Of cause things may be different in your family if you are into incest) if you have a problem reading and comprehending the Queens English then fck off till you learn to do so. :hi:

[pne buz]

Not married so go fuck yourself up the ass. I would say something about your wife but who would want to shag a eunuch ?

Why doe she never mention Cotto ?

Look at Haye the guy has balls and is ready to confront Wlad.

What is your ladyboy Hatton doing ? Bitching about fighting the imaginary No.2 LWW in maligfaggot :nut

Wlad is only no1 because 10 people retired.I rate Haye and he has balls but the heayweight division is weaker than the 140 division!As for you not being married if you are batting for the other team i think they are called civil partnerships!Why dont you look into it:good

[pne buz]

You forgot JC. Haye fought Mormeck and won but like Kostya, Mormeck was well past his sell by date so make of it what you want.

Hatton fought Mayweather the best there is!!!I didnt say he won i said he went and had a go!!Think about it

[kurt2006]

If Malignaggi is as bad as some make out and still #2 it must be a very weak division

He is seriously bad, he is the new Gavin Rees. A chap who got lucky and became a belt holder.

The only time he stepped up against Cotto and he was given a sound beating.

[kurt2006]

Hatton fought Mayweather the best there is!!!I didnt say he won i said he went and had a go!!Think about it

I know where you are coming from, but then Clinton Woods fans may say he fought RJJ (when Jones was in his prime), same with Ashley fighting Nunn.

The only person I can think who kicked shit in the USA was Honeyghan but then Curry was on the slide.

[kurt2006]

Wlad is only no1 because 10 people retired.I rate Haye and he has balls but the heayweight division is weaker than the 140 division!As for you not being married if you are batting for the other team i think they are called civil partnerships!Why dont you look into it:good

Thats the thing Haye has big bollacks and is not scared to go after the best. Hatton gives it the big talk but does not have the balls to back it up. If he said tomorrow that he was ready to fight the best and if that was Cotto then so be it I would not be critical of him. If him and Ray want to sell us maligfaggot as no.2 then they can both stick the fight up their rear cavity.

As for your second bit, no thank you I would rather cut my bollacks off and have them stuffed than bat for the other side. Plus the kids would not be too happy having a wonky father :patsch .

[pne buz]

I know where you are coming from, but then Clinton Woods fans may say he fought RJJ (when Jones was in his prime), same with Ashley fighting Nunn.

The only person I can think who kicked shit in the USA was Honeyghan but then Curry was on the slide.

I agree entirley but you cant deny Hatton has had a bash thats all im saying!Had he not been with ****** 3 years to long he probably would have achieved a bit more but at least he had the balls to break the shackles and have a go.And whether or not he would lose to Cotto and Mayweather there is no shame in that because eveybody else would.Ricky Hatton is not the best there is but he is still world class and the best in his division weak or not.

[kurt2006]

I agree entirley but you cant deny Hatton has had a bash thats all im saying!Had he not been with ****** 3 years to long he probably would have achieved a bit more but at least he had the balls to break the shackles and have a go.And whether or not he would lose to Cotto and Mayweather there is no shame in that because eveybody else would.Ricky Hatton is not the best there is but he is still world class and the best in his division weak or not.

Thats exactly it, if he fought them and put up a good fight then even if he lost I would not have a problem. If he got schooled like in the PBF fight then that is nothing to be ashamed of or to boast about.

Thats why I fail to see why him and Ray lined up Maligfaggot months ago. The fight makes no sense as Maligfaggot is no better than some of the lads Hatton beat in his WBU days.

[Fat Joe]

Ricky Hatton is not the best there is but he is still world class and the best in his division weak or not.

I think most people's problem with Hatton is not to do with the fighting.

[kurt2006]

I think most people's problem with Hatton is not to do with the fighting.

Thats right more to do with him trying to sell us fights against the likes of Malignaggi as him fighting the best out there.

His hardcore fans may fall for it and boast about malignaggi being no.2 in the Ring Magazine ratings but not all of are gullible.

I actually like Hatton, the guy apparently does work for charity etc and does not boast about it. Thats what you call sincere and humble. This is unlike Khan who would not wear a charity t-shirt at a relief camp after some monkey in his entourage reminded him of a reebok contract and handed him a brand new reebok t-shirt (Khan was ready to wear the charity t-shirt till the monkey intervened).

[pne buz]

Thats exactly it, if he fought them and put up a good fight then even if he lost I would not have a problem. If he got schooled like in the PBF fight then that is nothing to be ashamed of or to boast about.

Thats why I fail to see why him and Ray lined up Maligfaggot months ago. The fight makes no sense as Maligfaggot is no better than some of the lads Hatton beat in his WBU days.

But then hes between the devil and the deep blue sea isnt he!Smash the number 2 in his division who isnt very good or step up to Welterweight and lose to Cotto or Mayweather!He cant really win can he?Personally i would dust Malignaggi,then still get it on with Witter and and have a retirement fight with Pacman.If he was to win them 3 then hes had a great career.I dont really see what else he can do.Just accept the fact that he reached world level,brought us some entertaining fights and was one of Britains better fighters!Not a bad resume even if he wasnt the best.

[kurt2006]

But then hes between the devil and the deep blue sea isnt he!Smash the number 2 in his division who isnt very good or step up to Welterweight and lose to Cotto or Mayweather!He cant really win can he?Personally i would dust Malignaggi,then still get it on with Witter and and have a retirement fight with Pacman.If he was to win them 3 then hes had a great career.I dont really see what else he can do.Just accept the fact that he reached world level,brought us some entertaining fights and was one of Britains better fighters!Not a bad resume even if he wasnt the best.

I dont think the Witter fight means much either besides being a battle of Britain, Hatton should be calling out the likes of Cotto, Judah etc etc to step down to 140. If they refuse then you can't blame Hatton. If they agree then we see Hatton fight the best and that would be fantastic. If he beats them then that is even better and he gets to retire having beaten real rated fighters in their prime.

For me world level is JC type performances, Lacy rated the dogs gonads till JC schooled him and destroyed him mentally, Kessler another masterclass from JC. Yes JC has faced some shitty fighters but he stepped up and beat fighters ranked highly by a number of bodies/orgs.

[pne buz]

I dont think the Witter fight means much either besides being a battle of Britain, Hatton should be calling out the likes of Cotto, Judah etc etc to step down to 140. If they refuse then you can't blame Hatton. If they agree then we see Hatton fight the best and that would be fantastic. If he beats them then that is even better and he gets to retire having beaten real rated fighters in their prime.

For me world level is JC type performances, Lacy rated the dogs gonads till JC schooled him and destroyed him mentally, Kessler another masterclass from JC. Yes JC has faced some shitty fighters but he stepped up and beat fighters ranked highly by a number of bodies/orgs.

Jones,Hopkins(prior needing a wheelchair ramp to get in the ring),Johnson,Tarver.They were the Mayweathers of Calzaghes division were they not??Kessler(best of Europe)Lacy hype more than substance(even though i believed the hype)

[Olu G. Rotimi]

In my opinion and I watch fighters very closely Hatton's performance against the handpicked and diminished but game Lazcano is a cause of concern. While I predicting Hatton's demise against PBF etc, his performance against Lazcano shows me that Hatton is now a fighter irreparably in decline. Malignaggi might be a good fight for him as Malignaggi does not punch hard. Hatton will definitely lose to Ajose Olusegun, Devon Alexander and Dersert Storm Bradley. I think his best bet is to get a win in Madison square Gardens against Malignaggi later this year, then get stopped again more brutally by PBF maybe in Wembley and a final farewell fight in Manchester in against a handpicked opponent and retire and go into promoting full time with the millions he has made. Forget about being a trainer.

[robpalmer135]

hatton will never make it a a promoter.

[J-Dog]

I dont think the Witter fight means much either besides being a battle of Britain, Hatton should be calling out the likes of Cotto, Judah etc etc to step down to 140. If they refuse then you can't blame Hatton. If they agree then we see Hatton fight the best and that would be fantastic. If he beats them then that is even better and he gets to retire having beaten real rated fighters in their prime.

For me world level is JC type performances, Lacy rated the dogs gonads till JC schooled him and destroyed him mentally, Kessler another masterclass from JC. Yes JC has faced some shitty fighters but he stepped up and beat fighters ranked highly by a number of bodies/orgs.

Good call, if Hatton calls out the likes of Cotto down to 140 if they take it or dont you cant knock him for calling, as you say if they do then at least he fighting the finest.

[Tuffnutz]

This is how bad Paulie is.

Even after his shit performance against Bradley i'd still rather see Hatton fight Witter.

Paulie is still a boring as hell fight and he he still lost his IBF title to Herman.

I'd much rather see Hatton fight Bradley or Ortiz.

[J-Dog]

This is how bad Paulie is.

Even after his shit performance against Bradley i'd still rather see Hatton fight Witter.

Paulie is still a boring as hell fight and he he still lost his IBF title to Herman.

I'd much rather see Hatton fight Bradley or Ortiz.

Bradley be a good fight, but i think Paulie good for Hatton though coz he beats him, claims title and gets to top the bill at the Garden, im sure he fancies that ticked of his to do list.

Then Bradley for a war

[trotter]

Kurt do you hear Cotto calling out Hatton?

No?

Then criticise him as well.

This fight has never been on the agenda.

And Cotto CANNOT fight at 140. He looked dead on the scales 2 years ago. Impossible. So give it a rest.

You'll undoubtedly find a new stick to beat Hatton with now Witter has lost but the Cotto thing won't be it. It makes no sense. 'Call out a guy who can't make your weight'....ummmm....OK.... great idea

[kurt2006]

Kurt do you hear Cotto calling out Hatton?

No?

Then criticise him as well.

This fight has never been on the agenda.

And Cotto CANNOT fight at 140. He looked dead on the scales 2 years ago. Impossible. So give it a rest.

You'll undoubtedly find a new stick to beat Hatton with now Witter has lost but the Cotto thing won't be it. It makes no sense. 'Call out a guy who can't make your weight'....ummmm....OK.... great idea

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Ok Ray.

Do your homework and see how many times I used Witter to beat your bumchum Hatton.

As for calling out guys who cannot make the weight, it did not stop Hatton calling out PBF. Hatton can always go up to 147 agains to face Cotto.

[PaddyD1983]

I don't think cotto would have beaten hatton at 140 when they had the chance to fight, he was to weight drained, he would kill hatton at 147 but the extra 7 pounds makes a big difference to both men.

:good

Good shout!

[GazOC]

Gaz I think you've actually been very fair & honest in this thread. I think you, unlike some of the Hatton fanboys, accept his standpoint for what it is. If everyone said what you did there would be little to argue about. I've said before I would take no pleasure in watching a Hatton/Cotto fight. I think Hatton would take a horrible beating & I really don't dislike him anywhere near enough to see that.

I think staying at 140 is the only option for Hatton. I happen to believe no-one will get to fight Floyd for quite some time as I am hearing rumours of a two year hiatus. He's giving up his WBC belt & it's all gone very quiet on the DLH front. I think if Ricky ends up in another "superfight" it will be against someone coming up to him.
Cheers Dan.:good I've deliberately stayed away from ESB for a couple of days because of this thread. I think I've been fair and argued the point well with the availiable evidence on Hatton at welterweight and Hatton-Cotto at 140/147 but still ended up feeling like I was banging my head against a wall with Kurt. Mind you, he changed the subject from Cotto/ Hattton to Torres/ Pauli and Pauli being a "puff" a bit sharpish so I guess thats as close to a climb down and admitting there are flaws in your argument as you are going get around here...it just drives me mad sometimes when people won't debate sensibly (even if we don't agree!!), I have to take a couple of days "off"!!!;)

[GazOC]

As for calling out guys who cannot make the weight, it did not stop Hatton calling out PBF. Hatton can always go up to 147 agains to face Cotto.
Hatton COULD make 147, Cotto can't make 140. Even you must be able to see the difference? Anyhoo, I thought you wanted Cotto to go down to 140 for that £5mil purse?

You keep moving the goalposts...... What do you want? Hatton to fight above his weight? Cotto to fight below his? Hatton not to persue a rematch of the biggest fight of his career? Hatton not to fight his number 1 contender?

Is it so hard to understand that Hatton fights at 140 and would take a very well paid fight at 147 against a smallish Welter in Mayweather but doesn't fancy giving up his belts and campaigning there full time against the bigger guys for smaller purses than he'd get for Mayweather?


Feel free to look for a "new Witter" but Cotto and Torres arn't it.....maybe Kotelnik?:lol:

[Mikey]

Cotto would have beaten Hatton at 140 and 147.

[kurt2006]

Cotto would have beaten Hatton at 140 and 147.

Bit hard for hatton nut lickers to comprehend this.

Its ok for them to move the goal posts ever half hour but if anyone else does it then they get their frilly knickers in a twist.

Gazoc, so you are saying Hatton only wants to fight PBF for the money ? Thats fine and I hope the rest of the hatton fans understand this and stop having wet dreams about him beating PBF.

[Triplesod]

I think most people's problem with Hatton is not to do with the fighting.

Eh? How come when they get challenged on talking such shit and making thngs up, they try and come back with "look, all I'm saying is I don't rate him as a boxer".

BAsically, you are saying now that it isn't that at all, so surely this is proof that people are just using whatever they can get away with at the time to slag the guy?

[SleazeNation]

Bit hard for hatton nut lickers to comprehend this.

Its ok for them to move the goal posts ever half hour but if anyone else does it then they get their frilly knickers in a twist.

Gazoc, so you are saying Hatton only wants to fight PBF for the money ? Thats fine and I hope the rest of the hatton fans understand this and stop having wet dreams about him beating PBF.
It is sometimes a little difficult to "comprehend" something that never actually happened.
Most people would favour Cotto to beat Hatton at 147. At 140 Cotto was shaky to say the least, it's far from a sure thing he'd have bested Hatton down there.

And I don't think you'll find too many "Hatton fans" who would favour him to beat PBF. I'm a British boxing fan and I would like to see him fight the best fighter in the world again.

[Mikey]

Cotto would get the decision over Hatton at 140, Cotto is just too skilled for Hatton and he has a left hat would trouble Hatton.

[Jack]

:lol: There you go again ignoring the fact that when the Hattons signed up Maligfaggot he was not no.2.The fight hasn't even been signed yet.

[kurt2006]

The fight hasn't even been signed yet.

:lol: I can assure you that the Hattons and Maligfaggot have some sort of agreement and it was reached several months ago.

Update :


"We did the deal before the last fight. Malignaggi had to win and he did but he broke his hand," said Ray Hatton. "The fight's likely to be in November. Where, we don't know at the moment."



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[GazOC]

Bit hard for hatton nut lickers to comprehend this.

Its ok for them to move the goal posts ever half hour but if anyone else does it then they get their frilly knickers in a twist.

Gazoc, so you are saying Hatton only wants to fight PBF for the money ? Thats fine and I hope the rest of the hatton fans understand this and stop having wet dreams about him beating PBF.

Who the hell is "them"? You and I were having a discussion about Hatton-Cotto, you couldn't justify what you were saying, so instead of just admitting it you just called Hatton a "ducker" and changed the subject to Paulie M/ Torres.

I don't think many Hatton fans think he'll beat Mayweather, that shouldn't stop him persuing it for the money while he clocks up defenses at 140. It also doesn't mean he's ducking Cotto at 147 (remember what we were actually talking about before you got <ahem> "sidetracked":roll:)

Hatton-Cotto few years back (when Cotto could make 140) would be a genuine 50/50 fight.

[Mikey]

70/30 to be fair, Cotto is a level above who is probably reaching a level Hatton couldnt comprehend, we will see when he fights Maragrito.

Yeah Cotto has had some sticky moments in his career, but always showed his class, where with Hatton the only big fight he ever chased after Tszyu was Mayweather and no one else. Hatton could last at 140, but surely Cotto too skilled, too measured for Hatton at any weight, I dont think you will see the beating malignaggi got against Cotto when you see him face Hatton, Malignaggi has a knack of surviving and making a battle of anything.

If we are talking 50-50 I see Hatton/Malignaggi being closer than a Hatton/Cotto fight.

[kurt2006]

Who the hell is "them"? You and I were having a discussion about Hatton-Cotto, you couldn't justify what you were saying, so instead of just admitting it you just called Hatton a "ducker" and changed the subject to Paulie M/ Torres.

I don't think many Hatton fans think he'll beat Mayweather, that shouldn't stop him persuing it for the money while he clocks up defenses at 140. It also doesn't mean he's ducking Cotto at 147 (remember what we were actually talking about before you got <ahem> "sidetracked":roll:)

Hatton-Cotto few years back (when Cotto could make 140) would be a genuine 50/50 fight.

Yes Whatever. :hi:

[GazOC]

Yes Whatever. :hi:

:good I suppose that'll have do.:roll::lol:

Sometimes this place is absolutely pointless.:hi:

[GazOC]

70/30 to be fair, Cotto is a level above who is probably reaching a level Hatton couldnt comprehend, we will see when he fights Maragrito.

Yeah Cotto has had some sticky moments in his career, but always showed his class, where with Hatton the only big fight he ever chased after Tszyu was Mayweather and no one else. Hatton could last at 140, but surely Cotto too skilled, too measured for Hatton at any weight, I dont think you will see the beating malignaggi got against Cotto when you see him face Hatton, Malignaggi has a knack of surviving and making a battle of anything.

If we are talking 50-50 I see Hatton/Malignaggi being closer than a Hatton/Cotto fight.

Cottos resume at 140 is only comparable to Hattons. No better. They have a common opponent that they both dealt with in similar circumstances. It would have been a good fight, IMHO Cottos one weakness is that he likes to fight at his own pace. It would have been interesting to see if Hatton could have forced a pace Cotto was uncomfortable at.

[Mikey]

Well surely if thats the case Hatton could still up the pressure at 147?

[GazOC]

Well surely if thats the case Hatton could still up the pressure at 147?
I don't think that nessarcerily follows. I reckon Cotto would be the bigger, stronger guy at 147, don't you? Plus I think Cotto is currently at his prime where Hatton is slightly past his, those two things turn an even(ish) fight at 140 a few years ago into a mid-late stoppage for Cotto at 147 today IMHO.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think at 140, Hatton's resume is superior to that of Cotto. If Miguel could get down, it would be one hell of a fight, as it would be at 147.

I would say Ricky would do the bizzo at 140, taking advantange of Cotto being weight drained, and wouldn't let him off the hook as Torres did, whilst at 147 Cotto is just too big and would win via late stoppage in an entertaining encounter.

The best chance of a Hatton win would be to raise the pace as much as possible to take him out of his comfort zone, something which inferior fighters to Hatton have been able to do for a couple of rounds.

There is an awful lot of Cotto hugging going on at present, and whilst he is undoubtedly world class, beating some reality TV chump is not enough for me. He may as well have fought Kevin McIntyre or Jamie Moore - at least they wouldn't be decked by some nothing jab!

[dan-b]

Cheers Dan.:good I've deliberately stayed away from ESB for a couple of days because of this thread. I think I've been fair and argued the point well with the availiable evidence on Hatton at welterweight and Hatton-Cotto at 140/147 but still ended up feeling like I was banging my head against a wall with Kurt. Mind you, he changed the subject from Cotto/ Hattton to Torres/ Pauli and Pauli being a "puff" a bit sharpish so I guess thats as close to a climb down and admitting there are flaws in your argument as you are going get around here...it just drives me mad sometimes when people won't debate sensibly (even if we don't agree!!), I have to take a couple of days "off"!!!;)

I don't blame you mate. This whole subject is boring now anyway, I think we need to discuss other important matters such as Calzaghe's next fight, the outcome of Margo/Cotto, why Floyd is apparently taking a two year lay off & who Haye's next opponent will be. I also want to know whether people think Hopkins will fight again.

As for Hatton my stance will be this. Try & ignore the hysteria & just watch his fights & enjoy them for what they are.:good

[brown bomber]

Cotto is one of, if not my fave fighter.... He's too good for Hatton and always has been IMO.... No disgrace Cotto is on his way to greatness. Mayweathewr would beat Cotto though quite handily.

[GazOC]

As for Hatton my stance will be this. Try & ignore the hysteria & just watch his fights & enjoy them for what they are.:good

Thats fair enough mate. He'll never be a real force at 147 or an ATG but if he beats Paulie, Torres and Pac at 140 while hoping for a Mayweather rematch then thats a great way for a 29 year old pressure fighter to close his resume and retire aged 31 IMHO.

Although I think even if Hatton beats Maywether in a rematch Kurt would then say he was ducking Pavlik..;)

[kurt2006]

Thats fair enough mate. He'll never be a real force at 147 or an ATG but if he beats Paulie, Torres and Pac at 140 while hoping for a Mayweather rematch then thats a great way for a 29 year old pressure fighter to close his resume and retire aged 31 IMHO.

Although I think even if Hatton beats Maywether in a rematch Kurt would then say he was ducking Pavlik..;)

:nut I would not !!!!!

I would say he was ducking Amir Khan :hey

You watch the DW fight, some serious corrupt practices on open display.

[dan-b]

Thats fair enough mate. He'll never be a real force at 147 or an ATG but if he beats Paulie, Torres and Pac at 140 while hoping for a Mayweather rematch then thats a great way for a 29 year old pressure fighter to close his resume and retire aged 31 IMHO.

Although I think even if Hatton beats Maywether in a rematch Kurt would then say he was ducking Pavlik..;)

I happen to think the Hatton/Paulie fight will be better than a lot of people are anticipating. Hatton will win though.

So whats the Jada Fire collection like then?

[GazOC]

Kurt, He'll be ducking Frankie Gavin next..;)Dannys fight was a shocker, I'm just glad it panned out OK in the end.:good

Dan, I'm a big fan of Ms Fire, it makes a change from all the blonde types...:D

[dan-b]

Dan, I'm a big fan of Ms Fire, it makes a change from all the blonde types...:D

Oh yeah I agree whole heartedly there my friend.:good