will there ever be another gatti?

[Martini643]

someone with as much heart , courage, and gives those kinds of fights every time?

[trac209]

Probley not but if he comes around I hope he doesn't team up with Buddy Mc girt

[WestSideBoxer]

someone with as much heart , courage, and gives those kinds of fights every time?

Alfonso Gomez :deal

[ChampionsForever]

I dont think anybody can fill hes shoes, nobody will have the heart and chin he had and have the 0 defense he had that made such classic fights, my dream fight would have been Gatti Vs Mayorga in about 2004, just at the end of Gatti's days as a serious fighter and where Mayorga was at a crossroads, what a slugfest that would have been.

[CASH_718]

Of course there will be another Gatti. Look how many "Gatti's" there have been in history......

[younghov2k4]

Pacquiao is that man and he's even better at it.

but then again, his fights aren't as dramatic because of his good chin.

how about Vasquez? he's just as exciting to watch as Gatti ever was. props to Gatti but you guys are overlooking alot of fighters that are still here.

[Illstate]

Hopefully not. I hope the sport advances past unskilled punching bags being brain damaged and bloodied in every fight.

[Amsterdam]

I dont think anybody can fill hes shoes, nobody will have the heart and chin he had and have the 0 defense he had that made such classic fights, my dream fight would have been Gatti Vs Mayorga in about 2004, just at the end of Gatti's days as a serious fighter and where Mayorga was at a crossroads, what a slugfest that would have been.

Mayorga would have sparked him in 1 or 2 rounds with his power at Welterweight and size.

I don't like Gatti, my favourite warriors are guys like Morales and Holyfield, guys who give everything they have, but are highly skilled practicioners that show us the great skills that dazzle us also.

Gatti's just a glorified gate keeper who could take inhuman amounts of punishment and then jump back in at spurts like a Rocky movie, and that's why he sold. Personally, I don't find this type of sloppy shit a good representative of championship boxing.

In terms of head to head ability P4P, even Mayorga at his peak is a much finer fighter than Gatti all around.

[Amsterdam]

Hopefully not. I hope the sport advances past unskilled punching bags being brain damaged and bloodied in every fight.

:yep :yep :good

At least fans moving on towards blood and guts warriors whom are highly skilled also. Hell, Barrera vs. Marquez was a 10x better fight for me than Gatti vs. Ward, because it showcased sustained action from two amazing pugilists who threw everything in the book.

You had skill, heart, adversity in Mab-Marquez.

In Gatti-Ward, you had two gate keepers slugging the piss out of each other with little of the beautiful subtle parts of pugilism.

[Amsterdam]

Pacquiao is that man and he's even better at it.

but then again, his fights aren't as dramatic because of his good chin.

how about Vasquez? he's just as exciting to watch as Gatti ever was. props to Gatti but you guys are overlooking alot of fighters that are still here.

Israel Vasquez is an amazing fighter who showcases the same type of qualities that Gatti fans love, but you see, most casual Gatti fans want a Rocky movie type of fight and they don't notice the difference between Gatti and Israel Vasquez, except that Gatti takes more punishment and is therefore more entertaining.

[Jack]

Gatti is justy another nae in a long line of fighters who always brought the goods. LaMotta, Frazier, Marciano, Chacon, Morales, Ward, Duran, Armstrong, Baer etc.

Realistically, Gatti is nothing more than a good, tough fighter. There have been a lot in the past and there will be more in he future.

[Thread Stealer]

Of course.

There's been exciting, tough, gutsy guys like him before his time and during his time, and there will continue to be guys like him.

[Amsterdam]

Gatti is justy another nae in a long line of fighters who always brought the goods. LaMotta, Frazier, Marciano, Chacon, Morales, Ward, Duran, Armstrong, Baer etc.

Realistically, Gatti is nothing more than a good, tough fighter. There have been a lot in the past and there will be more in he future.

Putting Ward and Gatti in with those names that you just listed is an insult to those names.

[K0NPHL1C7]

Putting Ward and Gatti in with those names that you just listed is an insult to those names.

I agree.

[ThePlugInBabies]

i hope not, go out on the town on a friday or saturday night and you'll see a few punch ups between blokes that have the same skill level as gatti. never ever enjoyed one of gattis fights, except for the floyd mayweather one, boy that was sweet.

[ChampionsForever]

i hope not, go out on the town on a friday or saturday night and you'll see a few punch ups between blokes that have the same skill level as gatti. never ever enjoyed one of gattis fights, except for the floyd mayweather one, boy that was sweet.

How an earth can you not like action in your fights?? say it was a football match....a 5-4 thriller will always be better than a 5-0 thrashing, the way he fought made up for the fights he lost and some, id rather watch a Gatti fight than any of PBFs fights.

[djrock247]

Will there ever be another Muhammad Ali? Probably not, but wouldn't that be sweet.

Will there ever be another Arturo Gatti? Of course. There are probably 30 Gattis out there right now. All it takes is for HBO to get behind one of them and cram him down our throats and you've got a superstar. Open up Joe Public, get ready for some crap!

[MrSmall]

Of course, he wasn't the first.

[Thread Stealer]

Will there ever be another Arturo Gatti? Of course. There are probably 30 Gattis out there right now. All it takes is for HBO to get behind one of them and cram him down our throats and you've got a superstar. Open up Joe Public, get ready for some crap!

:lol:

The HBO hype and the overrating of the Gatti-Ward trilogy annoyed me too, but come on, Gatti was involved in some terrific fights. He was the most entertaining boxer during the 1996-98 period.

[djrock247]

:lol:

The HBO hype and the overrating of the Gatti-Ward trilogy annoyed me too, but come on, Gatti was involved in some terrific fights. He was the most entertaining boxer during the 1996-98 period.

No doubt. I love Gatti's character, who he was, what he stood for. But like you said, "hype" & "overrating" pretty much sums it up. The Gatti-Ward trilogy was as exciting as it gets. At the same time, it was of relatively little consequence. The reality is that there are fights like that going on every weekend in some ballroom in Bumfuck, South Dakota. Get Lampley & Merchant and a camera crew down there and the next thing you know a star is born.

[nervousxtian]

Wow, tough crowd. Gatti put on entertaining fights. Was he the most skilled? No.. but he wasn't a journeymen. He was limited, but had heart and guts and a solid beard and a good punch. He took advantage of what he was given, and always gave his all, even in defeat.

I swear some of the guys who post on this site just like talking smack about boxers and don't even enjoy watching the fights. All you hear is "this guy sucks" or "so and so has no chin" or "so and so is #1 P4P" or "so and so got robbed"..... shut up already..

If you can't enjoy a Gatti fight, especially his fights with Robinson or Ward, then stop watching boxing. Boxing in it's rawest form isn't SRR or PBF, or even Winky or Sweet Pea.. it's about going out there and beating the hell out of the other guy until only one guys left standing.

I enjoy a good tactical fight, but give me a good slugfest between two solid guys and I'm set.

Corrales came close to Gatti (and was moving ever more closer to that role before his death) because of his good punch, his big heart, and his ability to have his chin act as a magnet for punches.

Castillo vs Corrales wasn't a tactical war, and either was Ward vs Gatti.. they were what they were, two good solid guys beating the piss out of each other.

You don't like that kinda fight, don't know what to tell you..

..but it is funny someone calling out Gatti for being sloppy when they are a Calzaghe fan...

[teke]

Cotto is the new Gatti...

This statement will be undisputed after Cotto retires :deal

[Thread Stealer]

Castillo vs Corrales wasn't a tactical war, and either was Ward vs Gatti.. they were what they were, two good solid guys beating the piss out of each other.


But Corrales and Castillo showed a lot more skills than Gatti and Ward.

They're also considerably better fighters.

[Amsterdam]

But Corrales and Castillo showed a lot more skills than Gatti and Ward.

They're also considerably better fighters.

Exactly! Corrales vs. Castillo showed brilliant inside fighting skill while being an extremely violent slugfest with all of the hollywood esque dramatics.

I didn't enjoy Gatti vs. Ward or Robinson, I don't enjoy that type of slop and it's highly overrated. This doesn't mean I should stop watching boxing when I adore the sport, I just feel that Gatti vs. Ward is not what represents boxing and it's part of the reason why casual fans can't appreciate all different kinds of matches.

[Amsterdam]

Cotto is the new Gatti...

This statement will be undisputed after Cotto retires :deal

Cotto's a P4P level fighter with immense skill, not a clubfighter on a pedastool with immense heart. Big difference.

[Thread Stealer]

I didn't enjoy Gatti vs. Ward or Robinson, I don't enjoy that type of slop and it's highly overrated. This doesn't mean I should stop watching boxing when I adore the sport, I just feel that Gatti vs. Ward is not what represents boxing and it's part of the reason why casual fans can't appreciate all different kinds of matches.

I still liked those fights, especially Robinson-Gatti I, but as a whole the Gatti-Ward trilogy is overrated. It was a one-sided trilogy with only one fight that was really competitive or remotely close. The rubber match was a pretty good fight, not great, although the atmosphere might've made it seem better.

I don't really mind a sloppy fight that much, and I've seen much worse sloppy slugfests. Foreman-Lyle (of course, heavyweights are more likely to be sloppy) made Gatti-Ward look like Toney-McCallum I or Barrera-Marquez. Lewis-Klitschko was entertaining and violent, but it looked like two lumbering drunks.

[pit]

someone with as much heart , courage, and gives those kinds of fights every time?

Honestly Gotti style is what not to be in Boxing , he's 33 and shot and most poster have a problem with him being enducted into the hall of fame .. be another Gatti? I doubt who would want to ?

[Amsterdam]

I still liked those fights, especially Robinson-Gatti I, but as a whole the Gatti-Ward trilogy is overrated. It was a one-sided trilogy with only one fight that was really competitive or remotely close. The rubber match was a pretty good fight, not great, although the atmosphere might've made it seem better.

I don't really mind a sloppy fight that much, and I've seen much worse sloppy slugfests. Foreman-Lyle (of course, heavyweights are more likely to be sloppy) made Gatti-Ward look like Toney-McCallum I or Barrera-Marquez.

I can watch a sloppy match fine, but it's not my favourite, however, I can't stand when sloppy matches are held in the same regard as sustained action fights that also showcase tremendous skill level from the very best in our sport... that pisses me off.

Gatti fights were all brutality with little substance, a tremendous show of will, which was excellent to watch the first few times, but after a couple of time, it just gets SICKENING to see a man destroyed again and again.

[Amsterdam]

Honestly Gotti style is what not to be in Boxing , he's 33 and shot and most poster have a problem with him being enducted into the hall of fame .. be another Gatti? I doubt who would want to ?

If they induct him into the Hall of Fame with names from this era like Kostya Tszyu and Shane Mosely/Oscar De La Hoya/Winky Wright/Bernard Hopkins....

Then I'll fucking throw up and I won't think anything else of the IBHOF, what a disgrace that would be to put him in with the phenominal icons of our sport.

[Irish Steel]

:yep

In Gatti-Ward, you had two gate keepers slugging the piss out of each other with little of the beautiful subtle parts of pugilism.

THat was the beauty of it.:yep

[Thread Stealer]

If they induct him into the Hall of Fame with names from this era like Kostya Tszyu and Shane Mosely/Oscar De La Hoya/Winky Wright/Bernard Hopkins....

Then I'll fucking throw up and I won't think anything else of the IBHOF, what a disgrace that would be to put him in with the phenominal icons of our sport.

Jose Suliaman is already enshrined in Canastota.

[Irish Steel]

I still liked those fights, especially Robinson-Gatti I, but as a whole the Gatti-Ward trilogy is overrated. It was a one-sided trilogy with only one fight that was really competitive or remotely close. The rubber match was a pretty good fight, not great, although the atmosphere might've made it seem better..

The first and 3rd were close actually. Only the second one wasnt close. BEsides, with ward's high guard, gatti got too much credit for punches that supposedly landed. I could actually have seen that one going for a draw.

[Fab2333]

Of course there will be another Gatti. Look how many "Gatti's" there have been in history......
:good

[Thread Stealer]

The first and 3rd were close actually. Only the second one wasnt close. BEsides, with ward's high guard, gatti got too much credit for punches that supposedly landed. I could actually have seen that one going for a draw.

Ward won 2 rounds in the rubber match.

The first was the 4th when Gatti hurt his hand. The other was the 6th when Ward scored a late KD after being outboxed for 2:55 of the round.

Gatti won about 80% of the rounds in that one-sided trilogy.

[nervousxtian]

I'd hesitate to say that Corrales was light years better than Gatti. Gatti was a B level fighter, and Corrales was a B+.

Both had major flaws, but made up for it with other skills.

I love how it's "let's underrate Gatti's career" day on ESB.

We always knew what Gatti was, give the man the respect he deserves for the great fights he's given us.

[Thread Stealer]

I dont think so. Gatti may be derided as being a club fighter or a b_level hype job, but no boxer has that many bloodfest fights that absolutely thrilling to watch. No one

Matthew Saad Muhammad, Erik Morales, Bobby Chacon, to name a few.

Gatti was a "B" fighter, but that's not really an insult.

At least how I would look at it:

In their primes:

A: Mayweather, DLH, RJJ, Trinidad, Whitaker, Mosley, Barrera

A-/B+: Corrales, Castillo, Casamayor.

B= Gatti, Chavez (Jesus), Carr, Campas, Rivera

B-/C+= Ward, Augustus

[markbrooklyn]

someone with as much heart , courage, and gives those kinds of fights every time?
Yeah there are a whole bunch of them.. They fight in little clubs all the time!

[o_money]

someone with as much heart , courage, and gives those kinds of fights every time?

Of course this is boxing. And thats why this sport is soo fucking cool!!!

[DanePugilist]

I don't hope there will be another Gatti. A guy with this much heart and courage combined with no desire to defend himself - simply spells - brain damage.

[Thread Stealer]

Of course this is boxing. And thats why this sport is soo fucking cool!!!

Exactly.

Topics like this make you wonder how much boxing people watch, or why people get sentimental and exaggerate things.

[WestSideBoxer]

Michael Katsidis!!

that guy is great:bbb

[thunder06]

no, i dont think so.

[brooklyn1550]

There will be another fighter who gives fans their money's worth and displays courage, heart, and toughness...there always is. But Gatti will be missed.

[the_what]

The Katsidis kid.

[the_churn]

If they induct him into the Hall of Fame with names from this era like Kostya Tszyu and Shane Mosely/Oscar De La Hoya/Winky Wright/Bernard Hopkins....

Then I'll fucking throw up and I won't think anything else of the IBHOF, what a disgrace that would be to put him in with the phenominal icons of our sport.

:happy