Hate to say JT vs kelly Pavlik is gonna be a RACE war!

[at1]

This is why boxing is the most racist sport in America maybe even the world they having the fight in NJ aka Alabama. Its sad because i really like kelly pavlik and I think he will win but watch how ugly this is going to get.... The promotion is going to slip up and someone is going to say something to hype the fight Kelly Pavlik is no cooney the boy can flat out fight PK by KO..... i think it will be worse post fight... then pre fight.... with the whole race thing watch how this shit gets all over the news....

[WestSideBoxer]

:patsch

[H .]

:think nope

nice avatar westsideboxer

[Lampley]

This is why boxing is the most racist sport in America maybe even the world they having the fight in NJ aka Alabama. Its sad because i really like kelly pavlik and I think he will win but watch how ugly this is going to get.... The promotion is going to slip up and someone is going to say something to hype the fight Kelly Pavlik is no cooney the boy can flat out fight PK by KO..... i think it will be worse post fight... then pre fight.... with the whole race thing watch how this shit gets all over the news....

It didn't seem to be a problem in Wales for Lacy, why would it be a problem in New Jersey?

I don't expect it to be an issue at all. I think some of this board's Pavlik/Polish supporters have shown "tendencies" along those lines, but that's a very small group of folks. I think the rest of us just want to see a big-time fight.

[JETSKI]

It didn't seem to be a problem in Wales for Lacy, why would it be a problem in New Jersey?

I don't expect it to be an issue at all. I think some of this board's Pavlik/Polish supporters have shown "tendencies" along those lines, but that's a very small group of folks. I think the rest of us just want to see a big-time fight.

This guy is just trying to start something. It won't be an issue at all. Nobody here said a word about B & W leading up to Kellys fight with Miranda, so why should it be different fighting Taylor?

[at1]

What am i trying to start? this is a msg board not the ticket line for the fight fact is i was at gatti vs mayweather...and i do have ears... and NJ is pretty bad when it comes to the whole race thing just remmber i said it someone is going to say something and its going to turn ugly i hope it doesn't but i think it will.....

[Caper]

This guy is just trying to start something. It won't be an issue at all. Nobody here said a word about B & W leading up to Kellys fight with Miranda, so why should it be different fighting Taylor?

I havent felt a race war atmosphere until the thread starter mentioned it so I'm gonna stick with my original instincts and just take the fight for what its worth....a good ol scrap between two rock'em sock'em champs.

[Amsterdam]

What am i trying to start? this is a msg board not the ticket line for the fight fact is i was at gatti vs mayweather...and i do have ears... and NJ is pretty bad when it comes to the whole race thing just remmber i said it someone is going to say something and its going to turn ugly i hope it doesn't but i think it will.....

I actually agree with you, it happens with a lot of these types of fights and I talk to other fans who make it a racial thing.

I don't think it'll be a big deal, but there will be hints of it flying around.

[paulfv]

:think nope

nice avatar westsideboxer

No doubt about that.

[Tko4]

This is going to be a war alright...a war between two very different but very skilled fighters in their prime.

[at1]

I actually agree with you, it happens with a lot of these types of fights and I talk to other fans who make it a racial thing.

I don't think it'll be a big deal, but there will be hints of it flying around.


Thanx thats all i am trying to say....

[paulfv]

Thanx thats all i am trying to say....

Of course, the promoters will be on this. If I were promoting it, I know I would. That junk sells

[CASH_718]

White Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


i'm actually rooting for taylor

[Caper]

Of course, the promoters will be on this. If I were promoting it, I know I would. That junk sells

Unfortunate but true.

[paulfv]

Unfortunate but true.

That's why they always bring it up, like Briggs saying he was going to take the titles from the white heavyweights, etc, etc

[Lampley]

That's why they always bring it up, like Briggs saying he was going to take the titles from the white heavyweights, etc, etc

But that's sort of my point. People talk about it, but it doesn't seem to catch on. You're much more likely to find a conflict between Mexico and Puerto Rico, because their fighters tend to be nationalistic.

Pavlik and Taylor seem a little too similar outside the ring to bring about that sort of conflict. It doesn't seem like KP endured the sort of poverty Taylor did growing up, but from what I understand he's very much a middle class or lower middle class kid.

Plus, neither guy seems all that interested in talking heavy trash. Taylor would have been much more verbal about Miranda, who genuinely seemed to get under his skin.

But maybe I'm just being naieve.

[paulfv]

But that's sort of my point. People talk about it, but it doesn't seem to catch on. You're much more likely to find a conflict between Mexico and Puerto Rico, because their fighters tend to be nationalistic.

Pavlik and Taylor seem a little too similar outside the ring to bring about that sort of conflict. It doesn't seem like KP endured the sort of poverty Taylor did growing up, but from what I understand he's very much a middle class or lower middle class kid.

Plus, neither guy seems all that interested in talking heavy trash. Taylor would have been much more verbal about Miranda, who genuinely seemed to get under his skin.

But maybe I'm just being naieve.

Just give it time, the promotion's just begun. :)

Hey, I hope it doesn't catch on. But if you're a promoter (is HBO promoting it?) and you don't bring it up, honestly, you're probably going to lose some $$$$.

If it's on free HBO, that's different. But if it's on PPV, there's no way race isn't going to be brought up, one way or another. Maybe subtlely, like 'two small-town kids, one from the north, one from the south.' There's a lot of ways to bring race (or anything else) up without coming up and saying it.

I guess we'll see. :)

[maciek4]

White Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


i'm actually rooting for taylor

You are wierd

[p.falk]

JT and KP are both civilized fighters... I don't see that element you mention rearing it's ugly head.
Lacy v Calzaghe is a good example of this - two determined, self & opponent respecting fighters meeting up.... little room for the race drama to unfold.

[CASH_718]

You are wierdThat's what they all say.

[Slothrop]

This is why boxing is the most racist sport in America maybe even the world they having the fight in NJ aka Alabama. Its sad because i really like kelly pavlik and I think he will win but watch how ugly this is going to get.... The promotion is going to slip up and someone is going to say something to hype the fight Kelly Pavlik is no cooney the boy can flat out fight PK by KO..... i think it will be worse post fight... then pre fight.... with the whole race thing watch how this shit gets all over the news....

Well, considering the fact that a white man has not fought a black man for a title since Holmes vs. Cooney, you could very well be right...:patsch

[Pimp C]

Nothing racist about this fight.

[Slothrop]

Nothing racist about this fight.

What?! You mean a white guy can fight a black guy without it being racist?!!! You crazy! :lol:

[Slothrop]

boxing is the second most racist sport behind soccer.

Neither of which can approach the racial hatred of horse racing.

[Lampley]

Neither of which can approach the racial hatred of horse racing.

But you have to admit, lately the red ones have been disrespecting the brown ones pretty bad.

[Lampley]

boxing is the second most racist sport behind soccer.

Golf? Nascar?

[A-50]

Since Don King is not involved I doubt it will have racial overtones. I think the thread starter is just stirring.

[C Money]

Racial issues are an unfortunate fact of life, but IMO ONE OF THE THINGS THINGS THAT MAKES BOXING SO GREAT?? Is that when the bell rings, all that SHIT IS MEANINGLESS!!! You have two men squaring off and it's heart, will, and skill that makes the difference NOT the level of a man's pigmentation.

I dont see or havent seen any statements from Pavlik or Taylor about racial issues here. This sounds more like people/fans wanting to STIR SHIT UP AND CREATE RACIAL TENSION/ISSUES and its :barf disgusting.

I respect Taylor, am rooting for Pavlik, and may the best man WIN. Skin color has exactly SHIT to do with it.

[paulfv]

Yeah, I'm not saying that the thing has to be 'racist,' but it's human nature to root for a guy (or girl) who you feel you can relate to. So, of course some white guys will hope Pavlik wins and some black guys will hope Taylor wins. As C Money said, that's part of life, especially (unfortunately) in America. There's nothing wrong, IMO, with rooting for 'your guy,' as long as you can admit your guy lost when he loses and give the other guy props when he wins. People that can't do that are the ones that go from 'rooting for 'their guy'' to being more of racists, IMO.

If promoters can get you to buy something because of issues like race, or sex, or nationalism, they will (or most will) try to do so, to appeal to the 'lowest common denominator.' It means more money for them.

Similarly, if betting houses can get people to put money on an outclassed guy (think Gatti against PBF), they will make the line so that it will help them to do it. That's their business.

Just to once again clarify what I'm saying, I do think the promotion/discussion around the fight will undoubtedly involve race. Even if it's just by the fans (which it won't be, because I'm sure the promoters will get in on the action, even if just in a subtle way). That doesn't mean that anyone discussing it/promoting it is racist, it just means they either hope 'their guy' wins and/or they want to make more money.

That being said, fights like this always do bring out the genuine racists. I'm sure this will be no different. It wasn't an accident that there were about 20 articles on ESB the day after Calzaghe beat Lacy, and it would have been similar if Lacy had won.

Peace.

[C Money]

Yeah, I'm not saying that the thing has to be 'racist,' but it's human nature to root for a guy (or girl) who you feel you can relate to. So, of course some white guys will hope Pavlik wins and some black guys will hope Taylor wins. As C Money said, that's part of life, especially (unfortunately) in America. There's nothing wrong, IMO, with rooting for 'your guy,' as long as you can admit your guy lost when he loses and give the other guy props when he wins. People that can't do that are the ones that go from 'rooting for 'their guy'' to being more of racists, IMO.

If promoters can get you to buy something because of issues like race, or sex, or nationalism, they will (or most will) try to do so, to appeal to the 'lowest common denominator.' It means more money for them.

Similarly, if betting houses can get people to put money on an outclassed guy (think Gatti against PBF), they will make the line so that it will help them to do it. That's their business.

Just to once again clarify what I'm saying, I do think the promotion/discussion around the fight will undoubtedly involve race. Even if it's just by the fans (which it won't be). That doesn't mean that anyone discussing it/promoting it is racist, it just means they either hope 'their guy' wins and/or they want to make more money.

That being said, fights like this always do bring out the genuine racists. I'm sure this will be no different. It wasn't an accident that there were about 20 articles on ESB the day after Calzaghe beat Lacy, and it would have been similar if Lacy had won.

Peace.

Cant dispute anything you said, but I'd love to see the racist idiots that would spout shit, step in the RING.

I've seen it all when it comes to racial tension, bullshit, and violence most of the time the cunts do the yapping are in need of some bonding tie to back up their weak nature. They rely on the support. About the only place it has any justification is in PRISON, that's HELL, and not the reality we strive to LIVE in. In that atmosphere you'll play a long or get taken out by you're "own kind":-( :-(

When the bell rings IN THE RING?? The only support you have is Mr.Left and Mr. Right, and if you cant stand on you're on two LIKE A REAL MAN?? White, black, latino, asian, whatever...means ABSOLUTELY ZERO!!!!

Both Taylor and Pavlik carry themselves in a respectable nature and white or black has nothing to do with the outcome. I seriously hope that the media has enough sense to keep a proper perspective. They'll always be CLOWNS, but they belong in the CIRCUS. If the issue raises its ugly head?? Make SECURITY very heavy, plenty of cameras, and paddy wagons, waiting:good So that they can escort the imbeciles to the proper environment.

[Relentless]

hey anthony thompson whats up, you sucked in your last fight.

[Jinx]

what's the problem if white people root for the white guy? or if blacks root for the black guy? and so on...this fight won't cause that much drama...

[Fab2333]

I wish he was wrong, but it very likely will happen that some dumb fuck from one of the camps will say something and turn the fight into a cracka vs ***** match. It is unforunate, but I can see it happening
yup, that shit sells fights, and it is unfortunate. Like some1 said be4 if the fight is a ppv the whole race thing will be brought up somehow. For better promotion. If its free then it prolly wont be brought up

[Malph]

So, of course some white guys will hope Pavlik wins and some black guys will hope Taylor wins. "Some guys???" Come on. That is most people. Also, that part about "especially in America" --- do you really think if the fight was in Nigeria that many Nigerians would be pulling for the white guy? If the fight was in Russia, how many Russians would be pulling for the black guy? That is the world we live in. And before I hear from that Nigerian Gerry Coonie fan, yes... I realize what I am say is not a 100% absolute rule.

[PolishPummler]

It didn't seem to be a problem in Wales for Lacy, why would it be a problem in New Jersey?

I don't expect it to be an issue at all. I think some of this board's Pavlik/Polish supporters have shown "tendencies" along those lines, but that's a very small group of folks. I think the rest of us just want to see a big-time fight.

Care to elaborate before making bold statements?

[C Money]

Its one thing for people to feel how they feel and root for whatever makes them tick, it's another TO INJECT that fuel and strike the match surrounding a Boxing event. Unless it comes from the fighters, the media should keep an even keel.

[Fab2333]

Who´s that girl in your avatar?

thats my girl

[psychopath]

This is why boxing is the most racist sport in America maybe even the world they having the fight in NJ aka Alabama. Its sad because i really like kelly pavlik and I think he will win but watch how ugly this is going to get.... The promotion is going to slip up and someone is going to say something to hype the fight Kelly Pavlik is no cooney the boy can flat out fight PK by KO..... i think it will be worse post fight... then pre fight.... with the whole race thing watch how this shit gets all over the news....

That's just you're thinking. Any real boxing fans would love to see this fight without the 'race crap" being included in the HYPING.

I can see two warriors battling each other . . . nothing else.

[psychopath]

I don't see why it's going to turn into a race war. Taylor & Pavlik are two of the most humble and respectful fighters in boxing.

Also, with Holmes-Cooney, you can blame Don King for that.

:yep :good

[Relentless]

anthony thompson lost to yuri foreman i wouldn't take anything he says seriously.

[The Italarican]

How the fuck is Jersey like Alabama anyway?

[1lehudson]

Of course, the promoters will be on this. If I were promoting it, I know I would. That junk sellsIt sells because a good white american fighter are like bigfoot, you hear stories but you never really see any. So when one comes along White America gets so excited, it can hardly be held in.

it will be promoted this way because it will sell.

On one hand I doubt that Pavlik will win, I think that Taylor will prove to be too skilled, too good, and has shown that he will fight when fought. We dont know that of Pavlik. BUT on the other hand as a boxing fan, I would love to see Pavlik win...WHY??? Because a win by Pavlik will mean something that hasnt happened in 37 years when in 1970 Billy Backus lucked out and landed a haymaker on Jose Napole, A WHITE AMERICAN UNDISPUTED BOXING CHAMPION. And boxing would be BACK on the big stage, mark my words, its what has killed boxing in the States.

GO KELLY, Talyor take one for the team, take one for boxing.

[1lehudson]

How the fuck is Jersey like Alabama anyway?are you serious???

[boxbox]

someone's getting paranoid:yep

pavlik fans will support him and so will taylors fans...and its not black vs. white:bart

[1lehudson]

someone's getting paranoid:yep

pavlik fans will support him and so will taylors fans...and its not black vs. white:bartIs your address in Eutopia. Do you remember Holmes vs Cooney:nut

That wasnt that long ago.

[Zakman]

Is your address in Eutopia. Do you remember Holmes vs Cooney:nut

That wasnt that long ago.

It was 25 years ago!!! :patsch

Sad to say, they're still selling fights with racial angles - maybe not as blatantly, but it's still there.

I don't think this fight will approach Holmes-Cooney in that regard. Take it from someone who followed the build-up to that fight closely, there is no fight where the racial angle has been overplayed even CLOSE to that.

[boxbox]

Is your address in Eutopia. Do you remember Holmes vs Cooney:nut

That wasnt that long ago.


well it wasnt an issue till someone brought it up and made a big deal out of it...:hey

[emanuel_augustus]

Arum is always trying to interject race into promotions. It's fing stupid--this isn't 1920 anymore. I don't know anyone who would by a ticket or ppv simply because it's a white guy and a black guy fighting. Lame.

[Lampley]

Care to elaborate before making bold statements?

I ain't calling names. But not you.

[1lehudson]

well it wasnt an issue till someone brought it up and made a big deal out of it...:heywell if someone brought it up then it must be on someones mind. This isnt a perfect world and people do shady sh*t to make a buck, we all see it every day. My thing is, is this really shady??? Its really no different the what the Olympics are base on, or world cup soccer. It for some reason have become taboo to show pride in your race, I see nothing wrong with that. The problem cames when people feel they have to disrespect other races or bring harm to them in order to feel good about thier own.

[1lehudson]

It was 25 years ago!!! :patsch

Sad to say, they're still selling fights with racial angles - maybe not as blatantly, but it's still there.

I don't think this fight will approach Holmes-Cooney in that regard. Take it from someone who followed the build-up to that fight closely, there is no fight where the racial angle has been overplayed even CLOSE to that.25 years isnt that long ago my friend, and the only reason that we have not seen anything like that is because we have seen a White american fighter reach the Heights that Cooney reached since Cooney. Mesi was getting close, and look at all the hoopla that followed a guy that did NOTHING in the world of boxing.

[Farmboxer]

Pavliks will have to stop Taylor to win, the judges will already have their cards filled out before the fight begins. Hopkins beat Taylor, yet he was cheated. Winky was cheated also.

[Rock0052]

25 years isnt that long ago my friend, and the only reason that we have not seen anything like that is because we have seen a White american fighter reach the Heights that Cooney reached since Cooney. Mesi was getting close, and look at all the hoopla that followed a guy that did NOTHING in the world of boxing.
Tommy Morrison got some props, but I honestly believe the pushes they got were because they were exciting fighters, not because they were "white hopes". If either of them were black or mexican and fought the exact same way, putting together the exact same body of work, I really don't think things would've been different for either. People want to see KO artists, and if they can get knocked out themselves, all the better. That's what matters. Times have changed.

That said, at least this won't be a race war like Taylor vs Spinks was- I wasn't sure who was going to win that race, the boxing match or my pillow. It turns out it was Pillow TKO9 Taylor-Spinks.

[boxbox]

well if someone brought it up then it must be on someones mind. This isnt a perfect world and people do shady sh*t to make a buck, we all see it every day. My thing is, is this really shady??? Its really no different the what the Olympics are base on, or world cup soccer. It for some reason have become taboo to show pride in your race, I see nothing wrong with that. The problem cames when people feel they have to disrespect other races or bring harm to them in order to feel good about thier own.


well UNFORTUNATELY! we know that there are still certain people who thinks that way and it doesnt help fueling that hatred by participating or even making a big deal out of it. and i understand we're not talking about the other races, just B & W. The world is already at a stage where races doesnt matter as much anymore, and whenever there is, its for national pride and thats it, not too much about being a better race...

[achillesthegreat]

Racism, patriotism and all the other ISM's still exist. Ideally EVERYONE is equal but I doubt that will ever be fully in effect because that is perfection and perfection doesn't really exist.

So yes, there are going to be some siding based on race.

[JSharp3180]

I wouldn't say Alabama is much different than anywhere else I've been. That said, I think this is more regional than racial, although that does sometimes come into play. Many white fans I know from the South have been ready to embrace Taylor BECAUSE he is from the South. However, he has never seemed to become what he should be. He doesn't seem to listen to Steward well in the corner. Pavlik is going to knock him out.

[1lehudson]

I wouldn't say Alabama is much different than anywhere else I've been. That said, I think this is more regional than racial, although that does sometimes come into play. Many white fans I know from the South have been ready to embrace Taylor BECAUSE he is from the South. However, he has never seemed to become what he should be. He doesn't seem to listen to Steward well in the corner. Pavlik is going to knock him out.Undisputed Middleweight championd, 2-0-1 in fights with current p4p fighters and all-time greats, damn I hate to see what one would have to do to BECOME WHAT HE SHOULD BE.

[JSharp3180]

I communicated my point poorly. He hasn't looked as good in the last couple of fights as he did in the first fight with Hopkins, and seems more beatable now than at any time in the past few years. Winky gave the last fight away. Taylor seems to have plateaued, and I personally thought he would keep improving.

[pipe wrenched]

thats my girl

Yo fab, if she's not a model or star of some sort she sure as hell should be.

[tpuz]

Well, considering the fact that a white man has not fought a black man for a title since Holmes vs. Cooney, you could very well be right...:patschDidn't Malignaggi just defeat N'dou for the IBF light welterweight title??

[Toopretty]

Pavlik/taylor would be a race war if pavlik was more popular. I live in America.. White boys are and always were waiting for a great WHITE all american Fighting champ. Thats why they LOVE the UFC. And pretty much gave up on boxing. They see themselves in a ring whooping ass. So naturally they will cling to it. But after Two black guys came in there and demolished two of there favorite fighters. There is a void in the young american white mans world. I mean if you watch a UFC fight the white guy watching will always go with the white guy in the ring. No matter the obstacle before him. Period. It is racist in a way but not full fledge racism. If you just pulled up in your car and you see a black guy and a white guy fighting on the street. First you are going to say HOLY SHIT. The white guy is fighting back. If your black you are hoping in the back of your mind that the black guy whoops his ass as he represents black men in that episode. White men are hoping that the black guy gets his ass whooped as well so they can brag to there friends on that shit for weeks. White guys are racist by nature b/c they think they are the alpha male.. In the workplace. It is the same way. You better not ever act like or show that you know more then your white boss b/c you are shooting yourself in the foot. All this being said. neither fighter is hot enough right now for the racism to spread A la cooney/holmes. Or cheating elbow throwing ass marciano/ against an old half retired joe louis.

[BigReg]

Pavlik/taylor would be a race war if pavlik was more popular. I live in America.. White boys are and always were waiting for a great WHITE all american Fighting champ. Thats why they LOVE the UFC. And pretty much gave up on boxing. They see themselves in a ring whooping ass. So naturally they will cling to it. But after Two black guys came in there and demolished two of there favorite fighters. There is a void in the young american white mans world. I mean if you watch a UFC fight the white guy watching will always go with the white guy in the ring. No matter the obstacle before him. Period. It is racist in a way but not full fledge racism. If you just pulled up in your car and you see a black guy and a white guy fighting on the street. First you are going to say HOLY SHIT. The white guy is fighting back. If your black you are hoping in the back of your mind that the black guy whoops his ass as he represents black men in that episode. White men are hoping that the black guy gets his ass whooped as well so they can brag to there friends on that shit for weeks.

So true. I remember one time I was walking down Market street and I saw this black guy fighting this white guy. Inside I was cheering for the black guy. The black guy was whoopin ass. Then all of a sudden the white guy pulled out a gun, and that was the end of that.

[Toopretty]

damned guns. I hate guns...that shit is for wimps I am sorry. I mean if you are fighting you can heal.. A little harder to heal from bullet wounds to the head. I am from B-more..we are a little more grimey then philly in that area...THE WIRE IS REAL....thats all I have to say. Every year we break the homicide record for the prior year. More *****s die here from murder then in small third world countries damn near. We are keeping up with the genocidal crazy african nations.:gun :gun :gun :gun :gun :gun :beat :beat :beat :beat :beat :naughty :naughty :naughty :naughty :naughty :naughty

[BlueApollo]

The sense I get, for whatever that's worth without knowing the man, is that Pavlik could care less about stirring up racial tension. Half the reason we saw Toney and Briggs start in with that garbage was because they had to hype themselves, knowing deep down that their physical problems were likely to stop them. Pavlik already has all the tools he needs to give Taylor his toughest fight yet. He doesn't need to rally the trailer parks for help.

[tays001]

The sense I get, for whatever that's worth without knowing the man, is that Pavlik could care less about stirring up racial tension. Half the reason we saw Toney and Briggs start in with that garbage was because they had to hype themselves, knowing deep down that their physical problems were likely to stop them. Pavlik already has all the tools he needs to give Taylor his toughest fight yet. He doesn't need to rally the trailer parks for help.

:yep :yep :yep :yep

[Toopretty]

I know Pavlik has a good pop in both hands. For real power. He is dangerous and can take a punch. But Taylor will beat him on speed. If he keeps his stamina up. He will not be a human punching bag like miranda.

[Heavyrighthand]

As long as Don King isn't involved I don't think race will be brought into it.:lol:

Yeah, Don King would imply that Pavlik was a skinhead. :lol:

[acb]

Pavlik/taylor would be a race war if pavlik was more popular. I live in America.. White boys are and always were waiting for a great WHITE all american Fighting champ. Thats why they LOVE the UFC. And pretty much gave up on boxing. They see themselves in a ring whooping ass. So naturally they will cling to it. But after Two black guys came in there and demolished two of there favorite fighters. There is a void in the young american white mans world. I mean if you watch a UFC fight the white guy watching will always go with the white guy in the ring. No matter the obstacle before him. Period. It is racist in a way but not full fledge racism. If you just pulled up in your car and you see a black guy and a white guy fighting on the street. First you are going to say HOLY SHIT. The white guy is fighting back. If your black you are hoping in the back of your mind that the black guy whoops his ass as he represents black men in that episode. White men are hoping that the black guy gets his ass whooped as well so they can brag to there friends on that shit for weeks. White guys are racist by nature b/c they think they are the alpha male.. In the workplace. It is the same way. You better not ever act like or show that you know more then your white boss b/c you are shooting yourself in the foot. All this being said. neither fighter is hot enough right now for the racism to spread A la cooney/holmes. Or cheating elbow throwing ass marciano/ against an old half retired joe louis.

This post is ignorant on so many counts its not even worth mentioning all of them.

What in the fuck are you talking about?

White people have given up on boxing bc they have no one to root for? Look at the heavyweight division. Who is the most dominant fighter in that division, the long time most prized division in all of boxing. :deal

White guys are racist by nature? Ahhhhhhh. Coments like these make you seem to be the racist, after all you are generalizing the characteristics of an entire race, arent you?

[C Money]

Pavlik/taylor would be a race war if pavlik was more popular. I live in America.. White boys are and always were waiting for a great WHITE all american Fighting champ. Thats why they LOVE the UFC. And pretty much gave up on boxing. They see themselves in a ring whooping ass. So naturally they will cling to it. But after Two black guys came in there and demolished two of there favorite fighters. There is a void in the young american white mans world. I mean if you watch a UFC fight the white guy watching will always go with the white guy in the ring. No matter the obstacle before him. Period. It is racist in a way but not full fledge racism. If you just pulled up in your car and you see a black guy and a white guy fighting on the street. First you are going to say HOLY SHIT. The white guy is fighting back. If your black you are hoping in the back of your mind that the black guy whoops his ass as he represents black men in that episode. White men are hoping that the black guy gets his ass whooped as well so they can brag to there friends on that shit for weeks. White guys are racist by nature b/c they think they are the alpha male.. In the workplace. It is the same way. You better not ever act like or show that you know more then your white boss b/c you are shooting yourself in the foot. All this being said. neither fighter is hot enough right now for the racism to spread A la cooney/holmes. Or cheating elbow throwing ass marciano/ against an old half retired joe louis.

Good ol 2 Shitty the newest clown prince of ESB!!

Muthafuka PLEEEEAAASSSEE!!!

What street's you come from??:lol: I come from Pittsburgh, and rep a borough known as Mckees Rocks and white, black, or indifferent?? THEY FIGHT!! You''ll get fucked up real quick like sleeping on em cuz their white:lol: :good Same place Spadafora resided and he fucked up ya boy Floyd for doing the same damn shit you just did:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You talk soooo much shit it's beyond ridiculous, and the only thing thats evident, is you're a fucking IDIOT with limited perspective and i'd bet on lack of any real experince to back up you're pathetic assertions.

As for you're generalization of whte guy's and their racial inclinations?? it's no different for blacks and its just more BS that begets BS. FYI, I've fought side by side and outnumbered with black friends in the streets and i'd run when I'm dead:good Same for them:yep Ultimately?? racist inclinations and limitations are in the head of the beholder.

I see where you're at...Too shitty smells so bad, smells so bad, he's just a fad....2 shitty, hey....hey.....2 Shitty:finger

You ever considered the fact that you're own stupid fucking attitude confines you to the racist realm you're stuck in???:hey :hey 2 Shitty

[Lacyace]

White people have given up on boxing bc they have no one to root for? Look at the heavyweight division. Who is the most dominant fighter in that division, the long time most prized division in all of boxing. :deal
I think he's talking about white american boxers.

[1lehudson]

This post is ignorant on so many counts its not even worth mentioning all of them.

What in the fuck are you talking about?

White people have given up on boxing bc they have no one to root for? Look at the heavyweight division. Who is the most dominant fighter in that division, the long time most prized division in all of boxing. :deal

White guys are racist by nature? Ahhhhhhh. Coments like these make you seem to be the racist, after all you are generalizing the characteristics of an entire race, arent you?Like it or not the guy has some points. He didnt say WHITE people he said White Americans, which is different then a White european. Just think about Mesi and W Klit. Which one is more popular here in the States??? Its Mesi by a landslide. Hell if you were to watch a mainstearm sports show they dont know Wlad from Vitali. I was watching the SportsReporters the other day on ESPN and they spoke of the Klits as those 7 foot Brothers from Germany, then talked about needing Mesi to regain his form and become the new Mike Tyson.

Translation---We want to root for a WHITE AMERICAN, with the key word being American.

[Toopretty]

hey C brokebackbitch....you are a shitty skin head wannabee. thats like the 10th time you tried to justify white supremacy in jail...faggot..You got your ass owned in jail and you are forced to be a bitch..for the the rest of your days.

[1lehudson]

you two need to settle down before you get this thread locked up, or deleted.


C-Money your a fool if you think that a Euro White will ever get the same hype as a White American in the states. As far as Prison goes--Well I have never been so i will have to take your word for it. However White Europeans have suffered prejudges in the States as well.

My point holds, if W. Klit was from Chicago he would be gettin soooooo much hype right know it wouldnt be funny. We would see him on TV every hour.

[Rock0052]

you two need to settle down before you get this thread locked up, or deleted.


C-Money your a fool if you think that a Euro White will ever get the same hype as a White American in the states. As far as Prison goes--Well I have never been so i will have to take your word for it. However White Europeans have suffered prejudges in the States as well.

My point holds, if W. Klit was from Chicago he would be gettin soooooo much hype right know it wouldnt be funny. We would see him on TV every hour.

I get your point, but if W. Klit was Walter Johnson from Chicago, we'd see him on TV every hour, too. If you look at it, Foreman, Holyfield, and Tyson were easily the 3 most popular heavyweights in the late 80's/90's. None of them were white, and they've all had huge mainstream exposure. Lennox Lewis was basically the Wlad of his era publicity wise- an afterthought in the States because he's not American, and I think unfairly so. The difference is today there aren't any American heavies with the star power to play the foil to Klitschko today the way Holyfield, Tyson, and to a lesser extent Mercer, were there for Lennox. Without both sides, the hype isn't going to be there because there's no known product for the US "fans" to compare the current guys to. I don't like that that's the way the game's played, but it is regardless.

If it were 25 years ago, you'd probably be pretty accurate with the whole white hype thing from what I've heard (I'm too young to have witnessed it firsthand), but times aren't like that now.

Any US heavyweight that can knock people out (even if they're bums) is going to get hyped up. Color's taken a seat far, far, far behind ethnicity and the thirst for excitement to the point where I don't think it's an issue for most fans now.

[smokey]

Internet badasses are awsome.

Bottom line: Some people will always make race an issue. I don't, and I think most reasonable people don't. The world and the country has changed a lot since Jack Johnson's days, and even a lot since the days of Holmes-Cooney (which was hyped as a race battle, but most fans didn't see it that way).

[kirk]

This is why boxing is the most racist sport in America maybe even the world they having the fight in NJ aka Alabama. Its sad because i really like kelly pavlik and I think he will win but watch how ugly this is going to get.... The promotion is going to slip up and someone is going to say something to hype the fight Kelly Pavlik is no cooney the boy can flat out fight PK by KO..... i think it will be worse post fight... then pre fight.... with the whole race thing watch how this shit gets all over the news....

just like

JC/Lacy
Kelly/Miranda
Judah/Ward
Mayweather/gatti
lewis/Vitali

ect, ect, ect....

i dont see how this fight is any differant...

[C Money]

you two need to settle down before you get this thread locked up, or deleted.


C-Money your a fool if you think that a Euro White will ever get the same hype as a White American in the states. As far as Prison goes--Well I have never been so i will have to take your word for it. However White Europeans have suffered prejudges in the States as well.

My point holds, if W. Klit was from Chicago he would be gettin soooooo much hype right know it wouldnt be funny. We would see him on TV every hour.

Nationalism and RACISM arent the same thing. If a Russian is fighting say a nigerian and it's televised in the US. Racist fools will be hugging according to skin color, that's not the same as a Euro white guy geeting the same press as a US white guy.

[joeboxer]

This is why boxing is the most racist sport in America maybe even the world they having the fight in NJ aka Alabama. Its sad because i really like kelly pavlik and I think he will win but watch how ugly this is going to get.... The promotion is going to slip up and someone is going to say something to hype the fight Kelly Pavlik is no cooney the boy can flat out fight PK by KO..... i think it will be worse post fight... then pre fight.... with the whole race thing watch how this shit gets all over the news....hate to say it but you're an idiot. this isn't going to be a race war...Rahman maskaev wasn't...neither was liakhovich briggs, or ibragimov briggs or Klitschko vs. brewster. just a fight. stop trying to stir up trouble.

[PolishPummler]

hate to say it but you're an idiot. this isn't going to be a race war...Rahman maskaev wasn't...neither was liakhovich briggs, or ibragimov briggs or Klitschko vs. brewster. just a fight. stop trying to stir up trouble.

And the funny thing about Rahman vs Maskaev is the that Rahman paid that fucking clown to heckle Oleg the whole time in turn turning the press conference somewhat racist in saying..."go back to where you come from" and ..."major whore from USSSR" yeah that idiot added and extra "S" in USSR.

[Bigcat]

Race war............

Bullshit..........

Holmes v Cooney ... been done to death........

[1lehudson]

Nationalism and RACISM arent the same thing. If a Russian is fighting say a nigerian and it's televised in the US. Racist fools will be hugging according to skin color, that's not the same as a Euro white guy geeting the same press as a US white guy.Yeah but in this situation its one in the same. A black american isnt going to do it. Its about skins color. Ill will ask you one question then Im done. Who got more hype in their fight with L. Lewis, Vitali, or Rahman??? It was clearly Vitali, and he didnt win that is racism, the fact that Mesi is more know as a boxer then Wlad is Nationalism. People thinking that you need a White American to save boxing is both.

[C Money]

Yeah but in this situation its one in the same. A black american isnt going to do it. Its about skins color. Ill will ask you one question then Im done. Who got more hype in their fight with L. Lewis, Vitali, or Rahman??? It was clearly Vitali, and he didnt win that is racism, the fact that Mesi is more know as a boxer then Wlad is Nationalism. People thinking that you need a White American to save boxing is both.

I think you have you're opinion/view and you're stuck to it.

I think you just said Mesi is more known than Wlad???:huh :huh :huh

For what sub-dural hemotoma's:lol: Wlad would send Baby joe straight back into retirement AT BEST and back to the Hospital at worst. I really believe that Wlad would have more Americans supporting him over Mesi. they are both of the same "color", so the racism aspect doesnt really come into play.

As for LL vs Vitali?? Neither was American but by that point?? LL had won over many American fans and was the Champ, the hype was based more on Racism or dislike for Lewis. Racism had shit to do with Vitali losing, the cut above his eye is what caused him to lose.

Rahman?? Dude got sent through the ropes by Maskaev and hardly anyone expected him to KO LL, Rahman got plenty of hype second time around and got shown the difference between HYPE and REALITY. I t ceratinly seemed that there were more americans rooting for LL than rahman.

IMO, You're trying to mix the context's and NATIONALISM and RACISM which arent the same thing and dont always aplly to any given situation, it's a case by case basis.. Personally, i could give a fuck about race and there's many that feel the same, and many other IDIOTS who feel the opposite.

[maracho]

The American white man got soft first and certain actions have quickly catapulted this adaptation upon the American black man. The history of nation building is merely repeating itself. Nations often start strong and crude and end technical but dainty. The strong and the tough used to get the girls but now the Don Kings get them. Seriously, I heard Don King has more groupies than Lenox Lewis can even dream about.:-(

[2smart4u]

I'm not going to bother reading this entire dumbass thread, but I'll say this much: Only fucking newbs give a shit about this racial crap. Real hardcore boxing fans have seen too many good fighters of all different races, and too many bullshit "white hope" promotions, to give a damn.:good

[BJL]

You are the only person ive heard play the race card so far. Perhaps you are trying to turn it into one eh :banana :reggie :wooo :banana

[BJL]

Strange you mention JUST 'white hope' yet seem obviously oblivious to the many 'black hope' promotions; particuarly in the HW division.

If you ere truly neutral; you'd have highlighted both 'hopes' but you highlighted just the white one.

As I sad - see my above post; pro black sport

since when has there been a BLACK HOPE promotion???? You mean a pro USA promotion? I think youve been brainwashed by James Toney

[brisback]

Well, if thats the case then the white guy is gonna kick the shit out of the black dude............

[Vantage_West]

Briggs and Toney can get away with shit like that b/c they're black - but you better believe if a white/asian fighter said some shit like that there would be serious hell to pay!!!kinda true but this isnt equal to say a whit man cant say it but a black man can. people will say that a black man will say your a wigga ,honky but by no means does it mean you can say the same back. it's a culture thing not a black white thing

[Stezzie]

Strange you mention JUST 'white hope' yet seem obviously oblivious to the many 'black hope' promotions; particuarly in the HW division.

If you ere truly neutral; you'd have highlighted both 'hopes' but you highlighted just the white one.

As I sad - see my above post; pro black sport

There aren't any more hopes...that day is gone. It's not about race anymore and it hasn't been for at least 25-30 years...There isn't a black hope...and the hope theory went away with the ignorance that created it.

[marauder1999]

So typical--I make a point that obviously the person making this post is somewhat disturbed and the mods delete my posting?? Please explain this to me mods.