Should Danny Williams retire?

[Words]

I've seen Danny Williams get brutalised and battered more than just about any other active boxer. He got smashed up horribly by Sinan Samil Sam, eight rounds of prolonged torture when he was outclassed by Vitali Klitschko and even Audley Harrison destroyed him badly.

When he was 230lbs and younger he was a good fighter, infact he was world-class, but he hasn't been like that in a long time. He's 40lbs overweight, slow as a tank and has horrible balance.

Even when he wins, he always seems to absorb an unhealthy amount of punches in the process. Mike Tyson worked him all over for 2 rounds which, even at Tyson's state of decline, was painful to watch. Very few fighters can withstand that type of aggressive Tyson onslaught, but Danny has made a career out of taking beatings. Against Gammer, Platov and now Airich he was getting hurt early and had to dig deep to get the victories, which does not inspire confidence with his chances against anyone half-decent. I wouldnt be surprised if John McDermott beat him.

I think he should retire, because even though he's just about good enough to beat british and european level guys like Airich and McDermott, he's just going recieve another beating whenever he steps up to world class. David Haye, Alex Povetkin, Sam Peter, Nicaloy Valuev and Ruslan Chagaev would all beat him up. I'd fear for his life against Wlad Klitchko. I dont wanna see Danny get hurt coz he's supposed to be a nice guy and everything. I think that he is at a serious risk of getting injured, or more likely develop parkinsons or other forms of brain damage, and ought to think about his safety if he's seriously after a title shot.

[TFFP]

No.

[dwilson]

McDermott is far better a fighter than the current Danny Williams and will win by stoppage. Danny was always good but never capable of mixing it with top 20 fighters.

[kurt2006]

I think those years pushing bangers round Brixton and drinking 2000000 litres of water before weighin have beginning to catch up with Danny.

The Muslim Brotherhood lads who train him now are not improving him in any way.

[dwilson]

McDermott's shite. If Skeletor could beat him inone, what's he going to do against Danny?



McDermott will beat Danny by late KO or wide decision. McDermott got embarrassed against Skelton but he has put that performance behind him and is looking decent. Plus Skelton is far better than Williams.

[alpo1]

I think those years pushing bangers round Brixton and drinking 2000000 litres of water before weighin have beginning to catch up with Danny.

The Muslim Brotherhood lads who train him now are not improving him in any way.

Whats with you and this comment? I've seen you mention it in every danny williams thread since this fight and its getting irritating.

He probably wants to stack his money at this point in his career and use cheap cornermen.

What difference does it make if they are Muslim or not?

[seconds out]

danny williams should box a little bit more than he scraps.

[PaddyD1983]

Although stil the best British heavyweight on his night, I fear for his long term health if he keeps on fighting. I think he should decide to pack it in while he's still in good health. Hope he gets enough money in his last few fights now to retire comfortably but I would have though he earned enough against Tyson and Klitschko to be alright.

Best of luck in the next fight Danny, but call it a day soon!

[archie]

Whats with you and this comment? I've seen you mention it in every danny williams thread since this fight and its getting irritating.

He probably wants to stack his money at this point in his career and use cheap cornermen.

What difference does it make if they are Muslim or not?

Completely agree with you, he is arguably still the best in Britain - I am not syaing this is a good thing and I suspect Haye's introduction into the heavyweight mix may soon alter this, but he does deserves a few final pay days while he still can entertain...the faith of his trainers and corner men is of no relevance.

[kurt2006]

Whats with you and this comment? I've seen you mention it in every danny williams thread since this fight and its getting irritating.

He probably wants to stack his money at this point in his career and use cheap cornermen.

What difference does it make if they are Muslim or not?

They are happy to be known as the Muslim Brothers and proud of it so whats your problem with it ? What you want me to call them ? They are proud of their religion and do not have a problem with being called the Muslim Brotherhood yet for some reason you do.

Next you will have a problem with people calling Billy Graham the preacher.

You are like those who make unwanted noise about Baa Baa Black Sheep on behalf of others.

The point in mentioning the Brotherhood was that it is all nice and lovely doing this brotherhood thing and it works with the kids and keeps them off the streets but Danny needs proper training and with his current setup he is not getting it. Fighters who do not prepare properly can get seriously hurt. Maybe you want to see an illprepared Danny hurt but some of us do not.

[TFFP]

Williams will beat the fuck out of McDermott, inside 5 rounds. The only time he fought a reasonable opponent his chubby ass got KTFO inside 1 round, thats shameful for a top level British heavyweight. How is he going to deal with Williams power? Williams can turn up at 350lbs and that tubby lump of lard will get knocked out as soon as Danny lands a power punch

Williams is still the best British heavyweight.

[9Ball]

Yes I think he should retire.
Unless he is skint ;)

[TommyV]

Williams will beat the fuck out of McDermott, inside 5 rounds. The only time he fought a reasonable opponent his chubby ass got KTFO inside 1 round, thats shameful for a top level British heavyweight. How is he going to deal with Williams power? Williams can turn up at 350lbs and that tubby lump of lard will get knocked out as soon as Danny lands a power punch

Williams is still the best British heavyweight.

Couldn't agree more, bar Haye obviously now Williams is still the best British heavyweight when he turns up in shape, around the 240lbs mark, and committed.

He will KO McDermott within 7. Stopping Pele Reid does nothing to suggest he will beat Williams for me.

[jc]

I think he can fight on. He has been winning, but there does not seem to be any direction in his career. Neither he nor his managers seem to have a clue what route to take him down.

He goes missing then comes back light to win the British title, then goes missing and starts travelling around fighting no names in Europe. I think if he wants to really get some big fights to finish his career defendng the british title again is the way to go. He either wants to go out a champion like he is or a journey pro for mediocre German heavyweights to feast on ala Julius Francis.

Any version of Danny Wlliams knock out McDermott.

[LB3000]

I also agree with you guys who think he is the best British heavyweight (apart from Haye). He might not make it easy for himself but I can see him stopping McDermott. He hasn't taken this fight on short notice so I really hope he comes in decent shape.

[LB3000]

I think he can fight on. He has been winning, but there does not seem to be any direction in his career. Neither he nor his managers seem to have a clue what route to take him down. He is still without a promoter, so its not surprising there is no direction in his career. Hopefully Hayemaker promotions pick him up if he beats McDermott.

[Ilesey]

In a word - NO!

He overcomes odds like fighting away from home (not the first times) against an undefeated banger and proves that he beat a corrupt system with intestinal fortitude.

Williams took the best a big puncher and a bunch of corrupt wankers could throw at him and ended up not only the victor but on the right side of a TKO victory.

He's the nice guy of boxing and has pretty good skills, tremendous courage and is always in good fights.

[TFFP]

Why should Danny retire?

It was just a stay busy fight last night against an unbeaten opponent, Arena obviously had enough hope for to take corruption to ATG levels. Danny dealt with him, in incredibly tough conditions

Then he has a solid defence of the British title against McDermott. He'll blast manboobs out in no time

Whats to stop him then looking for a European shot? Vladimir Virchis is the champ, Michael Sprott made him look horrible for christ sake. What is he gonna do with Danny's boxing skill and speed?

The weak beltholders like Chagaev/Valuev are nothing to fear either.

[Ilesey]

Why should Danny retire?

It was just a stay busy fight last night against an unbeaten opponent, Arena obviously had enough hope for to take corruption to ATG levels. Danny dealt with him, in incredibly tough conditions

Then he has a solid defence of the British title against McDermott. He'll blast manboobs out in no time

Whats to stop him then looking for a European shot? Vladimir Virchis is the champ, Michael Sprott made him look horrible for christ sake. What is he gonna do with Danny's boxing skill and speed?

The weak beltholders like Chagaev/Valuev are nothing to fear either.

Spot on. :good

[dellfmsa]

I agree, this is a very thoughtful, analytic question.
My observations of Danny's bouts bring me to the same conclusion.
He should retire for health reasons.

[columbo man]

definately NO, he still has a bit to offer and remains a dangerous opponent with his power!!!!

[KobeIsGod]

i wouldn't mind if williams took on the goat herder in july. that would be a high action fight guaranteed to end in a ko. williams would certainly be the dog, but he would have a 25-35% imo. scam is ready to be had.

williams deserves a shot more than skelton or audley.

[dwilson]

Skelton is still far better than Williams.

[ad82]

Has anyone here seen his last fight?

I paid to watch it on secondsout and 2 very distinct Danny's were shown. In the 1st four rounds he was leaden footed and lacked ocnfidence. This is the Danny who will get hurt. It was sad to see.

However, in 5, 6 and 7 a different Danny was there. He showed head movedment, a sharp jab and confidence. he is still overweight but he looked good in these rounds. So I don't think Danny is completely shot. On his night he could beat many decent heavyweights in the world. And you gotta love Danny's heart. It's like no other.

[Beeston Brawler]

I don't think the man's gripe is with the fact that they are the Muslim Brotherhood or whatever - the fact is that they are shit trainers!

I would hazard a guess that my local Catholic priest or Jewish rabii would be clueless when asked about a left cross or straight right

[DamonD]

Keep going, he's not world class but he can certainly give Euro contenders a pummelling. I think more knockdowns are in his future though so it's up to Danny really, but I think it's worth going on still.

[dwilson]

Keep going, he's not world class but he can certainly give Euro contenders a pummelling. I think more knockdowns are in his future though so it's up to Danny really, but I think it's worth going on still.



Airich was not a Euro contender at all though. He was a 29 year old with little experience above punching awful fighters. Williams will lose when ever he ventures above domestic standard.

[dwilson]

You're an idiot to even think this, never mind say it.



I know alot of people on here really like Williams but he is a joke. Maybe he could have been very good but in reality he has found his level has a mid card domestic fighter who guys like Skelton are expected to beat.

[kurt2006]

He needs a kick up the backside and a to get with a proper trainer.

Jim McDonald was not upto much and the current team are no better. They all appear to be yes men who lets DW do what he wants to. A proper training regime, motivation and mentally sound DW could beat a few of the top 10 fighters. I doubt we will see it though.

He has got to start boxing again instead of what he has been doing for a while now which is absorbing shots for a few rounds whilst taking wild swings and then when the opponent tires to begin boxing. Platov and Airichis both nearly took him out because of this approach.

[J-Dog]

Which Danny Williams......

The one who turns up in shape and with with his boxing ability intact shouldnt retire, he still has world class in him.

The fat shit who gets knocked all over the place by silly shots that shouldnt be landing retires now.

Its up to him what he does but in my opinion get trained better, get in shape and stay in shape...then compete (cause he can when he is like that).

[dwilson]

And yet Danny beat Skelton the first time, and a few people thought he took the second fight as well. And Skelton only got that because Danny was so overweight.

You are deluded to think otherwise. Skelton has no skills, no talent and relies on mauling to win every fight. he's boring to watch, frequently unimpressive and somehow, despite looking awful against Sprott last time out, got a title shot.


I am no fan of Skelton for those reasons but he is better than Williams.

[kurt2006]

I am no fan of Skelton for those reasons but he is better than Williams.

Skelton is not better in terms of ability but in terms of conditioning and dedication he wins hands down.

[dwilson]

Skelton is not better in terms of ability but in terms of conditioning and dedication he wins hands down.




In terms of who I beleive will win if they fight again Skelton is better. If you could combine the best parts from both guys at thier prime you could possibly end up with a top 10 fighter.

[TFFP]

Williams has more boxing ability in his little toe. He's a much bigger puncher than Skelton too.

The only conceivable areas you could give to Skelton are mentally, and in conditioning. In pure boxing terms, it is absolutely no contest.

[dwilson]

Williams has more boxing ability in his little toe. He's a much bigger puncher than Skelton too.

The only conceivable areas you could give to Skelton are mentally, and in conditioning. In pure boxing terms, it is absolutely no contest.


A prime in condition and focused Williams could have been a British boxing legend and could have put up a few half decent performances against top 10 guys but we never really got to see that when it mattered and now I think it is too late. He has chosen his path with these trainers he has got so expecting him to beat anyone now is hard. I can not see him getting back to any sort of form. Skelton is awful but has certain qualities that you have to admire him for and although he is bad he can give anyone a good workout. I would take Skelton over Williams right now and can see him beating Sinal SaM.

[TFFP]

A prime in condition and focused Williams could have been a British boxing legend and could have put up a few half decent performances against top 10 guys but we never really got to see that when it mattered and now I think it is too late. He has chosen his path with these trainers he has got so expecting him to beat anyone now is hard. I can not see him getting back to any sort of form. Skelton is awful but has certain qualities that you have to admire him for and although he is bad he can give anyone a good workout. I would take Skelton over Williams right now and can see him beating Sinal SaM. He might be a better fighter at present, he's not a better boxer. I have difficulity classifying Skelton as a boxer

A current matchup would probably be close, and given the clowns in Danny's corner you could be right, as I don't trust them to condition him for 12 hard rounds. The 250lb peak Danny Williams beats his ass all day and night

[DamonD]

And yet Danny beat Skelton the first time, and a few people thought he took the second fight as well. And Skelton only got that because Danny was so overweight.
I totally disagree, Danny didn't deserve to win that first fight and I thought he deserved to lose the second.

Which isn't to take anything away from Danny, but I thought he should've lost both.

After the hammering he took from Audley I thought it was finally over for Danny but he's still going, and there's no real reason for him to stop now either.

[dwilson]

He might be a better fighter at present, he's not a better boxer. I have difficulity classifying Skelton as a boxer

A current matchup would probably be close, and given the clowns in Danny's corner you could be right, as I don't trust them to condition him for 12 hard rounds. The 250lb peak Danny Williams beats his ass all day and night


A prime Danny Williams would still struggle with Skelton because Skelton is a formidable if very crude beast while even the prime Williams was no great, good but not what he has been made out to be. I had Williams winning it close the first fight but the second was an easy Skelton win. All we would get if they met again would be another slow beat down from Skelton onto Williams with Williams fitness being the only thing seperating the fight from ending by UD or stoppage.

[J-Dog]

Unfortunately Williams does get beat of Skelton all day everyday, the sad thing is Skelton is shit, good at what he does which is smother work, but its shit. Skelton has excellent work rate and doesnt stop coming, but he barely has a punch and could never see him stopping Danny but non the less he has his number.

Danny doesnt have the fitness to keep Skelton off him for 12 rounds, he would need to box well every round and we know he just cant maintain it, he could knock Skelton out but Skelton got a better chin than rated and is real good at smothering work and shots.....

But that doesnt mean Danny cant beat many other HW's, he shouldnt retire he should just get his fitness on par and jobs a good un, he got plenty of heart and he hasnt lost his dig.....

[11player]

Yup, Williams took a lot of punishment already and that's never a good thing, but there is no denying he is going through a good moment in his career again.

If he wins against McDermott, which should happen, it may set him up for a big meaningfull fight later in the year.

Funny thing is, I can't understand why Danny insists on coming to fight extremelly overwheight. He is showing up constantly 25lbs over what would be ideal. I read the other day his camp justifies it on improving his punch resistance, well it may do a slight difference, but it also makes him a lot slower, tires him up a lot faster, turns him into a lethargic easy target and is more bad than good.

After fighting at Florida at 259lbs earlier in the year, I was hoping Danny would show up a little lighter at around 250lbs, then continue dropping wheight till around 240lbs, which should be ideal for a large 6'1.5" HW fighter.

I thought Danny looked poor against Airich, considering his capabilities, and blame most of it on the excessive wheight, despite the win. If he continues to show up this way, he will lose bad as soon as he faces a legit top 10 HW.