Billy Conn Vs M. Kessler

[pugilist_boyd]

I think conn would prob. outbox kessler as calz. did but i also think kessler could catch him on the way if billy got careless if i had to bet $ i would prob. put it on conn.

[janitor]

I would go with Conn for the reasons you have stated along with the fact that he is much more proven.

I remain interested in Keslers future career however.

[McGrain]

Kessler is all wrong for Conn. He is very good at what he does, but he is also a technician and a one two artist with limited mobility who has shown problems adapting.

A compassionate corner would probably pull Kessler after 11 or 12, a bloodthirsty one would see it through to a wide UD over 12 or 15.

[Ted Stickles]

Conn and Calzaghe are very similar fighters as they both throw a lot of punches ,like to mix it up,good chin and stamina,can box when have to,and all of this spells bad match up for Kessler.........But as a poster previously stated i like kessler as well and have followed his career and will continue to do so and wish him luck because hes a very good fighter and a classy guy

[Senya13]

Kessler outboxes Conn easily. Conn didn't do that well against fast skillful boxers (not to mention the beginning of his career).

[JohnThomas1]

Kessler outboxes Conn easily. Conn didn't do that well against fast skillful boxers (not to mention the beginning of his career).

You're never short of a surprise.

Conn by decision for me, better technically and damn tough.

[pugilist_boyd]

I-m-opinion NObody Could Out Box Billy

[Senya13]

Conn wasn't very talented (as his early career showed, and the latter part confirmed) and can't adjust well when things are not quite favorable to him.

[JohnThomas1]

Conn wasn't very talented (as his early career showed, and the latter part confirmed) and can't adjust well when things are not quite favorable to him.

Ediie Futch used to pin pictures of Conn in action all over his gym walls as an example of "how it should be done". He said he never saw a better fighter at 175.

What would he know tho :hey

[Senya13]

Conn was a worker, doing it the hard way. When being in trouble, he's not ad******g to it by cleverness and skills, but rather just tries to outwork the opponent in later rounds and edge it out that way (but he's not even close to Calzaghe for workrate, sorry). His defence wasn't very good either, as the number of KD's shows. Old-timers are telling a lot of stories. Charley Burley, while prety good on film, doesn't come close to the ideal boxer some described him.

[Seamus]

Kessler is an unfinished work. Too early to judge.

I do believe he is quite gifted and skilled. Only an immaculate fighter like Calzaghe could beat him.

[bumdujour]

this is unfair to kessler, who is in the middle of his career and has the disadvantage of being an active fighter and not one that fought 60 years ago.

fighters of the past are traditionally regarded as better than their counterparts of the present.
empirical evidence to this can be found throughout boxing history, just read some old issues of ring magazine.

anyway, from what i have seen, kesslers boxing talents, his speed and power are certainly comparable to those of conn.

its too early to tell if he also has the character to go with those talents.

but he certainly has the potential.

[teeto]

Conn imo

[red cobra]

Billy Conn would have beaten Mikkel Kessler with room to spare, but that dosen't detract at all from Kessler's worth as a fighter at all. Conn was just one of the very greatest fighters of history, and particularly at lightheavyweight. Conn always embodied the fighting attributes and the character of The Greatest Generation, if you know what I mean.

[wooz]

Kessler by lopsided decision. :good

[radianttwilight]

Conn. More proven.

[Bo Bo Olson]

Very odd listening to folks say Conn could not box.
And Kessler breathed in the very same Breath.
I'll still take Conn.

[SuzieQ49]

Conn by Knockout

[BIG DEE]

BIG DEE HERE= Conn by 8th rd KO after giving Kessler a boxing lesson as he forgot more about fighting and boxing than Kessler has or ever will know.
Senya13 once again talks out his ass about something he doesn`t know about. Billy Conn wasn`t very talented, who the fuck are you trying to
tell your bullshit crap to as he was one of the best pure boxers ever to fight in the Lt Heavyweight division. I have him ranked in the 10th spot as the IBRO has him ranked 9th but I have Harry Greb ranked at 6th in front of Tommy Loughran. Conn fought Joe Louis to a standstill for 12 rds before
getting KOed in the 13th. Do you think Kessler could do that, no way, he would make it past the 3rd rd with Louis as Joe Louis would kill Kessler
and they would carry Kessler out of the ring. YOU KNOW LITTLE OF BOXING HISTORY AND EVEN LESS OF THE FIGHTERS THAT FOUGHT THERE. IT SHOWS EVERY TIME YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH ABOUT RING HISTORY. YOU KNOW
ABOUT THE LAST 20 YEARS IN THE SPORT AND THAT`S ALL YOU KNOW.

[Seamus]

BIG DEE HERE= Conn by 8th rd KO after giving Kessler a boxing lesson as he forgot more about fighting and boxing than Kessler has or ever will know.
Senya13 once again talks out his ass about something he doesn`t know about. Billy Conn wasn`t very talented, who the fuck are you trying to
tell your bullshit crap to as he was one of the best pure boxers ever to fight in the Lt Heavyweight division. I have him ranked in the 10th spot as the IBRO has him ranked 9th but I have Harry Greb ranked at 6th in front of Tommy Loughran. Conn fought Joe Louis to a standstill for 12 rds before
getting KOed in the 13th. Do you think Kessler could do that, no way, he would make it past the 3rd rd with Louis as Joe Louis would kill Kessler
and they would carry Kessler out of the ring. YOU KNOW LITTLE OF BOXING HISTORY AND EVEN LESS OF THE FIGHTERS THAT FOUGHT THERE. IT SHOWS EVERY TIME YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH ABOUT RING HISTORY. YOU KNOW
ABOUT THE LAST 20 YEARS IN THE SPORT AND THAT`S ALL YOU KNOW.


Good night at the pub?

Not that I disagree with you.

[SuzieQ49]

I gotta tell you these 2 hour gruelling night boxing sessions with intense sparring.....Its so hard to come on here afterward and type and think lol. im about to fall asleep.


Conn beatts Kessler cause ...............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Senya13]

BIG DEE

Do you have "Billy Conn - The Pittsburgh Kid" by Paul Kennedy, AND can read objectively past the author's like of the fighter he's writing about? If you don't, please, keep quiet whenever you talk about things YOU have no idea about.

[Mendoza]

Conn on points, though I think Kessler has a real shot here.

[JohnThomas1]

Old-timers are telling a lot of stories.

Personally i find Eddie Futch likely the most insightful boxing figure i have ever read. He's an absolute genius IMO, but each to their own of course.

[Senya13]

Genius, yes, but just like any other man, he may have his likes and dislikes, which affect his opinion. Based on fight reports, I don't see Conn being as special as some people claim he is. And looking good (but not great) against not very well prepared Louis in one fight, doesn't mean you stand out as much at lower divisions or in all-time sense. Gene Tunney looked good against faded Dempsey, but he didn't stand out as much skill-wise at light heavyweight, where several of his opponents were his equals or superiors as boxers.

[dmt]

Senya,

Conn struggled early as he had no amateur carrier. He improved afterwards

[Senya13]

After two years of intense training, he's finishing his first year with a W7-L6 record. Really talented boxers were starting much better than that.

[BIG DEE]

BIG DEE HERE= Just the facts dick-head.

[BIG DEE]

BIG DEE HERE= Billy Conn was a greater middleweight than a Lt. Heavyweight
when you get right down to it as he beat most of the guys that held the middleweight title in the 30s at one time or another. No champion would defend the title against Billy Conn for that same reason as he would have held the middleweight title all thru 30s.

[Russell]

don`t do drogs,retard

DROGS :rofl:rofl:rofl

[Samurai]

Why does BIG DEE have to introduce himself in every post?

[C Money]

The Pittsburgh Kid would give Kessler a boxing lesson and stop him late:good Kessler's 1,2 attack wouldnt hold up. :nono

[Amsterdam]

Kessler easy, just compare film, it's not that hard. Erase the fact that you are watching legendary fighters with Conn and others in your mind and just watch them for what they are, then watch Kessler for what he is.

It would be an amatuer vs. a top professional, thats a valid comparison.

[RafaelGonzal]

What has Kessler done besides lose to Calzaghe to gain this lofty status? to the point we are comparing and actually some of you are picking him to beat Billy Conn.......this is the most irritating example of overrating a guy. This is a classic example of hype and overrating. What for fucks sake has this guy done to merit this kind of esteem? a guy who isnt even close to having a full career yet or even won a championship? Next thing you know Joe C takes Joe Louis to school over 15. This just boils me over to the point of violence.

[Senya13]

What has Sonny Liston done besides embarassingly losing to Ali twice and annihilating a blown-up light-heavyweight twice?

[Pat_Lowe]

What has Sonny Liston done besides embarassingly losing to Ali twice and annihilating a blown-up light-heavyweight twice?

Not much, Liston is overrated.

[Sardu]

Conn UD.

[Thread Stealer]

Not much, Liston is overrated.

He beat a slew of contenders on the road to the title. That does more for his legacy than his unimpressive title reign.

[SuzieQ49]

What has Sonny Liston done besides embarassingly losing to Ali twice and annihilating a blown-up light-heavyweight twice?

Clean out the heavyweight division of the late 50s-early 60s??

[teeto]

Why does BIG DEE have to introduce himself in every post?
TEETO HERE = i dont know y he does that!!

PS- just messing around BIG DEE!!!

[BIG DEE]

BIG DEE HERE= I been doing it for years kid, If you knew me like most of the historians know me. They`ve read my stuff for years at Eastside and other places. Hell, Yahoo picks my coments out and puts them up on the net.
BIG DEE ON BOXING AND SOME OF IT WILL SHOW UP IF I`VE POSTED LATELY.
I KNOW TEETO!! P.S. LISTON IS NOT OVERRATED AS HIS KO OF WAYNE BETHEA SHOWED KNOCKING OUT 6 OF HIS TEETH WITH ONE LEFT HOOK.

[PhillyPhan69]

BIG DEE HERE= I been doing it for years kid, If you knew me like most of the historians know me. They`ve read my stuff for years at Eastside and other places. Hell, Yahoo picks my coments out and puts them up on the net.
BIG DEE ON BOXING AND SOME OF IT WILL SHOW UP IF I`VE POSTED LATELY.
I KNOW TEETO!! P.S. LISTON IS NOT OVERRATED AS HIS KO OF WAYNE BETHEA SHOWED KNOCKING OUT 6 OF HIS TEETH WITH ONE LEFT HOOK.

I believe Liston's beating of Cleveland williams X's 2 shows how good he was as well

[pugilist_boyd]

I think it would be a very good match,with kessler maybe ko,n billy .It would not be a blowout but billy was smart enough to keep the dist. and outbox kessler for a u.d

[teeto]

BIG DEE HERE= I been doing it for years kid, If you knew me like most of the historians know me. They`ve read my stuff for years at Eastside and other places. Hell, Yahoo picks my coments out and puts them up on the net.
BIG DEE ON BOXING AND SOME OF IT WILL SHOW UP IF I`VE POSTED LATELY.
I KNOW TEETO!! P.S. LISTON IS NOT OVERRATED AS HIS KO OF WAYNE BETHEA SHOWED KNOCKING OUT 6 OF HIS TEETH WITH ONE LEFT HOOK.
Haha, yea BIG DEE, ive read a good few of your posts and ive respected what ive read. Really was just kidding there in my above post, i think you knew that anyway though!

[BIG DEE]

BIG DEE HERE= I did, Teeto.