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TWO WITNESSES: SHANE KNEW HE WAS TAKING STEROIDS
In court papers filed in San Francisco, convicted steroid dealer Victor Conte and Shane Mosley's former trainer Deryl Hudson both testified that Shane Mosley was on illegal perfomance-enhancing steroids when he beat Oscar De La Hoya in 2003. Mosley has admitted being on the juice but thought he was injecting legal supplements. Mosley then sued Conte for defamation. As part of court submissions in that lawsuit, both Hudson and Conte testified that they saw Mosley take the drug EPO after he was told about the benefits and effects of steroids. source: associated press
If true.
(Most likely is) Mosley has lost my respect. Because who INJECTS LEGAL supplements? Oh wait thats right there is NO FUCKING SUPPLEMENT YOU INJECT.
McGrain
05-31-2008, 04:59 PM
Even before all of this, an article appeared in ring, calling into question the hall of fame credentials of Sugar Shane and others.
Yes, it hurts him.
There are legal supplements you can inject. That's how most baseball players who obviously juiced lie by saying they were receiving "B-12 shots".
TommyV
05-31-2008, 05:00 PM
I still rate him on his achievements at 135 mostly, he was amazing at lightweight. I would losea lot of respect for him though if it's proved.
There are legal supplements you can inject. That's how most baseball players who obviously juiced lie by saying they were receiving "B-12 shots".
Daily?
Mosley probably isn't an ATG (top 100 ATG) fighter anyways. As far as respect goes, even if he admitted taking steroids I would still respect him greatly, but obviously it would hurt his ranking/accomplishments past 135. He's a HOF'er no matter what.
smoochp
05-31-2008, 05:13 PM
No, I wouldn't lose respect for him because the fight he took steriods was a fight that most thought he lost anyway. Cant no one deny Shane talent at 135 and some of his big wins at ww and jmw
Even without roids Shane was never a true all-time great.
bladerunner
05-31-2008, 05:33 PM
doesnt change anything.
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 05:39 PM
TWO WITNESSES: SHANE KNEW HE WAS TAKING STEROIDS
In court papers filed in San Francisco, convicted steroid dealer Victor Conte and Shane Mosley's former trainer Deryl Hudson both testified that Shane Mosley was on illegal perfomance-enhancing steroids when he beat Oscar De La Hoya in 2003. Mosley has admitted being on the juice but thought he was injecting legal supplements. Mosley then sued Conte for defamation. As part of court submissions in that lawsuit, both Hudson and Conte testified that they saw Mosley take the drug EPO after he was told about the benefits and effects of steroids. source: associated press
If true.
(Most likely is) Mosley has lost my respect. Because who INJECTS LEGAL supplements? Oh wait thats right there is NO FUCKING SUPPLEMENT YOU INJECT.
What a lame post...:patsch Eze..you just suck...
What a lame post...:patsch Eze..you just suck...
How is it lame?
jimmie
05-31-2008, 05:47 PM
ATG is already a tough one for Mosley but it cant take away his titles and his Hall of Fame status just no way. Conte has always said it was for that 1 fight and Shane looked like shit in it compared to the 1st DLH fight. The FBI left Shane Mosley alone when they started the investiagation so thats good enough for after he passed a lie detector and piss test so its defientally possible he didnt know. Im not going to take the word of 2 witnesses and one convicted fellon over Shane Mosley whos always conducted himself with class and resprect. Shanes always said he did it unknowingly and he did pass the lie detector test which I know are always correct but thats enough more that and the FBI leaving him alone. Shit I still havent seen a postive piss test. Those steroids didnt help him even though dumbass Conte said he was fresher in the late stages of the fight which proves nothing cause Shanes always been badass from rounds 10-12.
ATG is already a tough one for Mosley but it cant take away his titles and his Hall of Fame status just no way. Conte has always said it was for that 1 fight and Shane looked like shit in it compared to the 1st DLH fight. The FBI left Shane Mosley alone when they started the investiagation so thats good enough for after he passed a lie detector and piss test so its defientally possible he didnt know. Im not going to take the word of 2 witnesses and one convicted fellon over Shane Mosley whos always conducted himself with class and resprect. Shanes always said he did it unknowingly and he did pass the lie detector test which I know are always correct but thats enough more that and the FBI leaving him alone. Shit I still havent seen a postive piss test. Those steroids didnt help him even though dumbass Conte said he was fresher in the late stages of the fight which proves nothing cause Shanes always been badass from rounds 10-12.
So taking roids didn't help Mosley? :nut
Ambition_Def
05-31-2008, 05:50 PM
It is obvious to anyone who wants to see it. Mosley before and after BALCO was a big difference.
jimmie
05-31-2008, 05:55 PM
So taking roids didn't help Mosley? :nut
What did it help him do ? Make him look any more ripped ? Pretty impossible for Shane. Faster ? He looked rather slow and lathargic threw like 1 combo. Powerful ? Never hurt DLH. More stamina ? How could we tell DLH always fades and Shane always gets stronger late in fights. Better technique ? Fuck no steroids dont do that for you. What exactly did he gain from steroids. Shanes looked much better before that night and since that night.
IDIOT, not all steroids are injected.
:rofl First, read the article.
2nd I never said he took steroids, although its possible, he could have easily taken HGH or another type of supplement injection.
What did it help him do ? Make him look any more ripped ? Pretty impossible for Shane. Faster ? He looked rather slow and lathargic threw like 1 combo. Powerful ? Never hurt DLH. More stamina ? How could we tell DLH always fades and Shane always gets stronger late in fights. Better technique ? Fuck no steroids dont do that for you. What exactly did he gain from steroids. Shanes looked much better before that night and since that night.
So there's no chance Mosley's age could of caught up with him and the enhancing drugs helped his performance? They can allow Mosley to train harder and longer.
But also, just because he looked slow and lathargic doesn't mean he wasen't on something. Enchancing drugs do have negative side effects.
markbrooklyn
05-31-2008, 06:10 PM
What did it help him do ? Make him look any more ripped ? Pretty impossible for Shane. Faster ? He looked rather slow and lathargic threw like 1 combo. Powerful ? Never hurt DLH. More stamina ? How could we tell DLH always fades and Shane always gets stronger late in fights. Better technique ? Fuck no steroids dont do that for you. What exactly did he gain from steroids. Shanes looked much better before that night and since that night.
Well for 1 you don't know how long he's been taking steroids. And 2 it made him much stronger to be able to go up and fight at 147 and 154 without a problem when he was fighting at 135. Cmon you think he's gonna pack that much of a punch at the higher weights without steroids? Or look that ripped at a higher weight without them? Give me a break. It also helps you recover faster from injuries. Shane gained ALOT from steroids. Athletes obviously wouldn't take steroids if it didnt help them out now would they? :good
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 06:42 PM
How is it lame?
Because you are insinuating he did so intentionally. And you're a fuckin weak person mentally, as well. You're a tabloid poster....
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 06:47 PM
Well for 1 you don't know how long he's been taking steroids. And 2 it made him much stronger to be able to go up and fight at 147 and 154 without a problem when he was fighting at 135. Cmon you think he's gonna pack that much of a punch at the higher weights without steroids? Or look that ripped at a higher weight without them? Give me a break. It also helps you recover faster from injuries. Shane gained ALOT from steroids. Athletes obviously wouldn't take steroids if it didnt help them out now would they? :good
:patsch Fuckin know it alls.... YOU have absolutely NO CLUE as to what Shane did or took...yet here you are, explaing how greatly he benefitted. Boxing fans who think they are insiders are the DUMBEST posters...
Because you are insinuating he did so intentionally. And you're a fuckin weak person mentally, as well. You're a tabloid poster....
So him taking injections in the ass? He thought it was perfectly legal? Please Lance dont be bias.
Tabloid poster? What the hell are you talking about? This is one of the first topic's Ive made since being back.
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 07:18 PM
So him taking injections in the ass? He thought it was perfectly legal? Please Lance dont be bias.
Tabloid poster? What the hell are you talking about? This is one of the first topic's Ive made since being back.
What bias? Is it a bias to NOT jump to conclusions like you do on a daily basis? You're the epitome of knee-jerk reactions to articles Eze. :roll:
albeziel
05-31-2008, 07:19 PM
When he fought Hoya he already had a great career so to me it wouldn't matter that much.
What bias? Is it a bias to NOT jump to conclusions like you do on a daily basis? You're the epitome of knee-jerk reactions to articles Eze. :roll:
:lol: Jump to conclusions? It's my opinion that I believe he knew what he was doing. Just like you have your opinion that you think he didn't know.
So far now two witnesses have come forward saying Shane knew.
And what other articles besides the Floyd Mayweather one we've argued over have I brought up? Oh that's right none.
When he fought Hoya he already had a great career so to me it wouldn't matter that much.
How long did he "unknowingly take illegal supplements?"?
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 07:22 PM
:lol: Jump to conclusions? It's my opinion that I believe he knew what he was doing. Just like you have your opinion that you think he didn't know.
So far now two witnesses have come forward saying Shane knew.
And what other articles besides the Floyd Mayweather one we've argued over have I brought up? Oh that's right none.
WTF does Mayweather have to do with anything? :patsch And of course you believe it....you read an article on it. That's all the proof you need...
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 07:23 PM
How long did he "unknowingly take illegal supplements?"?
Why don't you tell us? If you want to insinuate he cheated knowingly, spill it out.
WTF does Mayweather have to do with anything? :patsch And of course you believe it....you read an article on it. That's all the proof you need...
I said the MAYWEATHER ARTICLE. I guess you can't distuingish between things to well.
Yea I believe it because Mosley is a professional, a mature, SMART, professional who has been in the game awhile. He's not Vargas, an immature young and up fighter. Mosley I BELIEVE knew. And two people have come forward. It's amazing this article says two people in Mosleys camp say he KNEW. But Im wrong for believing the article? I guess the AP just made that up, and those people dont exist.
Sorry, it's my opinion. I didn't know having a opinion was wrong. But oh thats right, you and every other retard on this board think you know it all and bash anyone who you feel is lesser than you.
:lol:
Why don't you tell us? If you want to insinuate he cheated knowingly, spill it out.
If I knew the answer, why would I ask?
And it's my opinion that he knew. What's wrong with that?
He's not a top 100 ATG anyway, not by any stretch of the imagination
I think his place in the HOF is assured anyway. His run at lightweight will see to that.
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 07:31 PM
I said the MAYWEATHER ARTICLE. I guess you can't distuingish between things to well.
Yea I believe it because Mosley is a professional, a mature, SMART, professional who has been in the game awhile. He's not Vargas, an immature young and up fighter. Mosley I BELIEVE knew. And two people have come forward. It's amazing this article says two people in Mosleys camp say he KNEW. But Im wrong for believing the article? I guess the AP just made that up, and those people dont exist.
Sorry, it's my opinion. I didn't know having a opinion was wrong. But oh thats right, you and every other retard on this board think you know it all and bash anyone who you feel is lesser than you.
:lol:
What Mayweather article? Can't get your mind off him when he's not even in the topic Eze? :patsch
Having an opinion isn't wrong you Drama Queen. It's how you form it that makes you an asshole.
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 07:32 PM
He's not a top 100 ATG anyway, not by any stretch of the imagination
I think his place in the HOF is assured anyway. His run at lightweight will see to that.
If he's not top 100...where do you have Joe C? :huh
Toopretty
05-31-2008, 07:38 PM
He roided up and he is a cheat. He should suffer the same fate as others. He was caught buying roids. He said he took supplements. There is not doubt.
nezy37
05-31-2008, 07:39 PM
Who cares, I would bet most do or have at some point.
If you want to be a sports fan you better come to accept drug use as part of it.
If he's not top 100...where do you have Joe C? :huh Have you got some sort of point?
I've never thought hard into ranking active fighters, its pointless. But since the topic came up, my initial thought is Mosley doesn't make it, but he could be 90-100 somewhere if you are generous
Calzaghe would be around the same area right now, although there is greater scope for improvement.
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 07:43 PM
Have you got some sort of point?
I've never thought hard into ranking active fighters, its pointless. But since the topic came up, my initial thought is Mosley doesn't make it, but he could be 90-100 somewhere
Calzaghe would be around the same area right now, although there is greater scope for improvement.
No point. I was simply asking a question. That happens on message boards. :D
I was just curious to be honest. It's rather difficult to rank Joe C. If based on '"what if's", he might rank higher then if based on actual accomplishments. regardless of who's fault, the fact that Him, Ottke, and Beyer never fought hurts all of them.
Undisputed520
05-31-2008, 07:47 PM
Shane mosley is a great fighter, a great person, and is one of the most talented fighters of all time. He belongs in the hall of fame, arguably top 100 fighters ever. he was a great lightweight, and without question NOT on steriods then. when he beat hoya the first time, if u look at his body, he was clearly NOT on roids either. the second fight he may have been, and it slowed him down and made him not as good as he is naturally. then after that, he never used steriods again, if he ever did, and still continued to be a fantastic fighter. :deal
No point. I was simply asking a question. That happens on message boards. :D
I was just curious to be honest. It's rather difficult to rank Joe C. If based on '"what if's", he might rank higher then if based on actual accomplishments. regardless of who's fault, the fact that Him, Ottke, and Beyer never fought hurts all of them.
Let's get serious for a second, Beyer and Ottke don't even come into ATG discussions, so thats a moot point, and Calzaghe beat superior opposition since
Of course I can't rank Joe on what he might do in his next fights. I'm just saying, he could potentially fight Pavlik which would boost him further, whereas I don't know where Shane is going with his career at welter. He got beat by one of the two best fighters there, and his run at the higher weight is now tainted.
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 07:54 PM
Let's get serious for a second, Beyer and Ottke don't even come into ATG discussions, so thats a moot point, and Calzaghe beat superior opposition since
Of course I can't rank Joe on what he might do in his next fights. I'm just saying, he could potentially fight Pavlik which would boost him further, whereas I don't know where Shane is going with his career at welter. He got beat by one of the two best fighters there, and his run at the higher weight is now tainted.
No, they don't. I agree with you there. But the bad part is, at least for Ottke, Joe C hasn't really done all that more to seperate himself from Ottke.
I don't see how his run @ higher weights is tanted. Going to 154 was as high as he can go. And he was still the recognized 154 World champ. Where ever you rank him, he has to be a few spots ahead of Joe C, just based on accomplishment.
No, they don't. I agree with you there. But the bad part is, at least for Ottke, Joe C hasn't really done all that more to seperate himself from Ottke.
I don't see how his run @ higher weights is tanted. Going to 154 was as high as he can go. And he was still the recognized 154 World champ. Where ever you rank him, he has to be a few spots ahead of Joe C, just based on accomplishment.
I take issue with that :-(
Ottke struggled badly with Mitchell and Brewer, I mean its debateable he even won those fights. Don't even get me started on Robin Reid, Calzaghe beats him by a clear 3 point margin on my card, you could make a case for Reid winning by a similar margin against Ottke if not for the bullshit corruption. So Calzaghe beats the common opposition far more convincingly, doesn't performance even count these days?
The best thing he ever did was have a close fight with Glen Johnson (again there is a distinct whiff of bullshit). It doesn't compare to having clear wins over Kessler, Eubank and Hopkins
Calzaghe eventually unified his division, albeit too late, Ottke never even tried. Calzaghe became a 2 weight world champion. There is a chasm seperating the two :|
What Mayweather article? Can't get your mind off him when he's not even in the topic Eze? :patsch
Having an opinion isn't wrong you Drama Queen. It's how you form it that makes you an asshole.
You were talking about me being a tabloid poster. Ive only posted a few select articles here and I was pointing out the main article Ive posted was the Mayweather article we've argued over.
God you're dumb.
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 08:20 PM
I take issue with that :-(
Ottke struggled badly with Mitchell and Brewer, I mean its debateable he even won those fights. Don't even get me started on Robin Reid, Calzaghe beats him by a clear 3 point margin on my card, you could make a case for Reid winning by a similar margin against Ottke if not for the bullshit corruption. So Calzaghe beats the common opposition far more convincingly, doesn't performance even count these days?
The best thing he ever did was have a close fight with Glen Johnson (again there is a distinct whiff of bullshit). It doesn't compare to having clear wins over Kessler, Eubank and Hopkins
Calzaghe eventually unified his division, albeit too late, Ottke never even tried. Calzaghe became a 2 weight world champion. There is a chasm seperating the two :|
Ottke did unify two belts though. Did so while Joe was only defending his WBO belt. Who beat who by more rounds doesn't really do anything for rankings, IMHO. Too subjective and the lack of common opponents really make that a moot point. Gift wins aside, he was more recognized as the 168 world champ when he and Joe C were both making their defenses. H2H, Calzaghe by a mile.
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 08:21 PM
You were talking about me being a tabloid poster. Ive only posted a few select articles here and I was pointing out the main article Ive posted was the Mayweather article we've argued over.
God you're dumb.
:lol: You don't even know what I meant by 'tabloid' poster...and you call me dumb? Go back to holding your breath corky...
:lol: You don't even know what I meant by 'tabloid' poster...and you call me dumb? Go back to holding your breath corky...
You're a bigger tool than I thought. :lol:
Ottke did unify two belts though. Did so while Joe was only defending his WBO belt. Who beat who by more rounds doesn't really do anything for rankings, IMHO. Too subjective and the lack of common opponents really make that a moot point. Gift wins aside, he was more recognized as the 168 world champ when he and Joe C were both making their defenses. H2H, Calzaghe by a mile.
Is who beat who convincingly really more subjective than who was more 'recognized'? I don't remember Ottke being recognised for shit, except exceptional standards reached in loading gloves, influencing refs, bunging judges and general fraudulent activity
The key is who you beat and how. Calzaghe's best wins of Eubank, Kessler and Hopkins eclipse anything Ottke achieved.
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 08:27 PM
You're a bigger tool than I thought. :lol:
And you're just as clueless as I remember.:D
And you're just as clueless as I remember.:D
:lol: K Tool.
Maxmomer
05-31-2008, 08:32 PM
I don't want to believe it. Mosley is one of my top 10-15 favorite fighters of all time. I'm a huge fan, but if it's ever proven, then fuck him.
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 08:33 PM
Is who beat who convincingly really more subjective than who was more 'recognized'? I don't remember Ottke being recognised for shit, except exceptional standards reached in loading gloves, influencing refs, bunging judges and general fraudulent activity
The key is who you beat and how. Calzaghe's best wins of Eubank, Kessler and Hopkins eclipse anything Ottke achieved.
Isn't it premature to rank the Kessler win so highly when he is yet to even do anything of signifigance in his division? :huh That topic has already been beaten to death of course. My point isn't that Ottke is better, which I know he isn't. Moreso that Joe C didn't distrance himself from Ottke more then he could have. Look at the three names you list. 2 guys closer to retirement then prime, and another who's living off beating contenders.
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 08:33 PM
:lol: K Tool.
Tabloid poster....:yep
Isn't it premature to rank the Kessler win so highly when he is yet to even do anything of signifigance in his division? :huh That topic has already been beaten to death of course. My point isn't that Ottke is better, which I know he isn't. Moreso that Joe C didn't distrance himself from Ottke more then he could have. Look at the three names you list. 2 guys closer to retirement then prime, and another who's living off beating contenders.
I know exactly what your point is, and it still doesn't hold up from where I'm sitting. Ottke never beat any elite fighters legitimately, and only ever fought one. Whether they are old or not is neither here nor there, Ottke never beat any Eubanks, Hopkins or a young, undefeated and unified champ like Kessler
Besides, you can rip any guys resume to shit with that sort of mentality. You criticise me for pointing out the obvious difference in how they beat their common opposition, yet its acceptable to get into a subjective debate on how past their prime they may be
How much distance does one need? There is already a chasm. If only Ottke would fall in
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 08:52 PM
I know exactly what your point is, and it still doesn't hold up from where I'm sitting. Ottke never beat any elite fighters legitimately, and only ever fought one. Whether they are old or not is neither here nor there, Ottke never beat any Eubanks, Hopkins or a young, undefeated and unified champ like Kessler
Besides, you can rip any guys resume to shit with that sort of mentality. You criticise me for pointing out the obvious difference in how they beat their common opposition, yet its acceptable to get into a subjective debate on how past their prime they may be
How much distance does one need? There is already a chasm. If only Ottke would fall in
I wasn't ripping anyone's resume. I just don't sugar coat shit because at the end of the day, it's still shit. And i am NOT saying his resume is shit BTW. Beating 'elite' fighters is just a tag some label a fighter to up their ante. Was Hopkins an elite 175er? I certainly don't think he was. How elite was Kessler? Was it simply out of default? Or was it beating Andrade that made him elite? Personally, I only label fighters elite when they've proven to be elite, over a series of fights. Untill Kessler does more, he's just a technicaly sound top contender. Until Hopkins does more @ 175, he's just an ATG but @ 160. If these are Joe's best wins, it really shows how little he has done compared to what could have been.
I wasn't ripping anyone's resume. I just don't sugar coat shit because at the end of the day, it's still shit. And i am NOT saying his resume is shit BTW. Beating 'elite' fighters is just a tag some label a fighter to up their ante. Was Hopkins an elite 175er? I certainly don't think he was. How elite was Kessler? Was it simply out of default? Or was it beating Andrade that made him elite? Personally, I only label fighters elite when they've proven to be elite, over a series of fights. Untill Kessler does more, he's just a technicaly sound top contender. Until Hopkins does more @ 175, he's just an ATG but @ 160. If these are Joe's best wins, it really shows how little he has done compared to what could have been.
So Hopkins isn't an elite, even given his outstanding resume, and the fact he made the 'man' at 175 his prison bitch in a total domination
Kessler isn't an elite, despite his obvious skillset and h2h potential
So the resume and legit track record isn't impressing you, neither is the young lion.
Kessler, and even old ass Hopkins are two of the elite fighters between 160-175 as far as I can see it. Please tell me who the elites are in your estimation, I'm struggling here? :huh
maracho
05-31-2008, 10:27 PM
Steroids also enhance mental functions and stimulates confident aggression.
audio101
05-31-2008, 10:28 PM
What did it help him do ? Make him look any more ripped ? Pretty impossible for Shane. Faster ? He looked rather slow and lathargic threw like 1 combo. Powerful ? Never hurt DLH. More stamina ? How could we tell DLH always fades and Shane always gets stronger late in fights. Better technique ? Fuck no steroids dont do that for you. What exactly did he gain from steroids. Shanes looked much better before that night and since that night.
:nut
Lance_Uppercut
05-31-2008, 10:36 PM
So Hopkins isn't an elite, even given his outstanding resume, and the fact he made the 'man' at 175 his prison bitch in a total domination
Kessler isn't an elite, despite his obvious skillset and h2h potential
So the resume and legit track record isn't impressing you, neither is the young lion.
Kessler, and even old ass Hopkins are two of the elite fighters between 160-175 as far as I can see it. Please tell me who the elites are in your estimation, I'm struggling here? :huh
I said elite 175er. Hops is/was probably one of the better LtHW's. His win over Tarver was outstanding. But that was a couple of years ago and he's actually starting to look his age. We'll see how Hopkins does if he contiues to fight.
I said elite 175er. Hops is/was probably one of the better LtHW's. His win over Tarver was outstanding. But that was a couple of years ago and he's actually starting to look his age. We'll see how Hopkins does if he contiues to fight.
So we have to reappraise all Calzaghe's opponents after he beat their ass? Sounds like a cheap discrediting tactic, I hope you do that for everybody else...
He isn't starting to look his age anymore than he did against Tarver and Winky-Wright. He was up against a better fighter that made him work at a difficult pace, that is the only difference
We might as well face facts, Kessler and Hopkins are elite fighters in the 160-175 range. The best he could have fought at present. There is one fight against Pavlik to go, a much easier fight, and he'll have beaten the man at all these weights and this competition bullshit will finally be put to rest :happy
Zakman
05-31-2008, 11:23 PM
doesnt change anything.
Bingo. Let's see the positive tests. All these are are allegations. Without a test, they're worthless.
[quote=Zakman]Bingo. Let's see the positive tests. A
What are you talking about. Mosley admitted to taking illegal substances (steroids or HGH)
mosley was never an atg to begin with. it'll hurt his legacy a little bit, but for the most part, people will remember him as a guy who gave 110 percent every fight and was a genuine good guy.
how can u say that mosley was not a atg? was one of the best of our generation? arguably the fastest hands ive ever seen? Hes at least a all time top 100 clearly!!!!!
Shane_Erich
06-01-2008, 02:12 PM
You've got to realise that this is being reported on a site that's owner has had a beef with Mosley and his wife for a while, no where else that i've seen. Take it for what its worth.
You've got to realise that this is being reported on a site that's owner has had a beef with Mosley and his wife for a while, no where else that i've seen. Take it for what its worth.
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Also - BT sourced it from the AP. It wasen't an article from them.
Daft P
06-01-2008, 02:20 PM
Man, who DOES NOT use these stuff...
Knob McDude
06-01-2008, 02:23 PM
mosley was never an atg to begin with. it'll hurt his legacy a little bit, but for the most part, people will remember him as a guy who gave 110 percent every fight and was a genuine good guy.
:good
Bazooka
06-01-2008, 02:33 PM
TWO WITNESSES: SHANE KNEW HE WAS TAKING STEROIDS
In court papers filed in San Francisco, convicted steroid dealer Victor Conte and Shane Mosley's former trainer Deryl Hudson both testified that Shane Mosley was on illegal perfomance-enhancing steroids when he beat Oscar De La Hoya in 2003. Mosley has admitted being on the juice but thought he was injecting legal supplements. Mosley then sued Conte for defamation. As part of court submissions in that lawsuit, both Hudson and Conte testified that they saw Mosley take the drug EPO after he was told about the benefits and effects of steroids. source: associated press
If true.
(Most likely is) Mosley has lost my respect. Because who INJECTS LEGAL supplements? Oh wait thats right there is NO FUCKING SUPPLEMENT YOU INJECT.
So whats this do to Oscars Record a NC?
So whats this do to Oscars Record a NC?
Uhm. Im not sure. Shane's already admitted to "unknowingly" taking steroids for the Oscar fight but nothing has been done.
I believe the fight should be changed to a NC either way.
Bazooka
06-01-2008, 02:40 PM
Uhm. Im not sure. Shane's already admitted to "unknowingly" taking steroids for the Oscar fight but nothing has been done.
I believe the fight should be changed to a NC either way.
Shane said that he went to Balco for suppliments, this was only after the news about the Balco scandal was released, my point is why would you even think to go to Balco for shit you can get somewhere else?
I mean if its only vitamins and suppliments he is after he didnt need to go there, its just too fishy that he along with a shit load of other athleates were all there during the same time and none of them used Steriods:roll:
Get real Shane was at Balco becuase he knew what they had to offer and it sure the fuck was not suppliments
Shane said that he went to Balco for suppliments, this was only after the news about the Balco scandal was released, my point is why would you even think to go to Balco for shit you can get somewhere else?
I mean if its only vitamins and suppliments he is after he didnt need to go there, its just too fishy that he along with a shit load of other athleates were all there during the same time and none of them used Steriods:roll:
Get real Shane was at Balco becuase he knew what they had to offer and it sure the fuck was not suppliments
Exactly. Ive never heard of Balco for any type of supplement until it's steroid/HGH scandal came out.
I believe Shane knew what he was doing.
Of course Shane knew. Why would he travel across the state for Vitamins? Shane hadn't won any of his ast three fights leading up ODLH and he knew if he lost the rematch his career would be rock bottom.
Bazooka
06-01-2008, 03:14 PM
I still thought Oscar beat shane in the rematch this will be two big fights Oscar had a year or so apart in which both guys he fought was Juiced, Where is the love for DLH?
drama
06-01-2008, 03:19 PM
What about Evans Field? Holyfield should lose respect too.
I still thought Oscar beat shane in the rematch this will be two big fights Oscar had a year or so apart in which both guys he fought was Juiced, Where is the love for DLH?
3 of his 5 opponents at 154 were on the juice.
Mosley
Vargas
Mayorga
Everyone knows if you beat DLH you become a star.
Shane_Erich
06-02-2008, 01:17 PM
3 of his 5 opponents at 154 were on the juice.
Mosley
Vargas
Mayorga
Everyone knows if you beat DLH you become a star.
Too bad Mosley beat him clearly the first time without them. If his is true its too bad. Maybe he had confidence issues after teh Forrest and Wright fights or maybe he really didn't know. It will be interesting to see what further info comes out and if he really did take a lie detector test and passed it.
Bazooka
06-02-2008, 01:55 PM
What about Evans Field? Holyfield should lose respect too.
Good question what about him? then again they havent exactly linked him to it the way they have Mosley so until that comes about we shouldnt really start casting stones.
Mosleys name being mixed in with the HUGE Balco scandal says pretty much everything we need to know.
Thread Stealer
06-02-2008, 02:52 PM
What did it help him do ? Make him look any more ripped ? Pretty impossible for Shane. Faster ? He looked rather slow and lathargic threw like 1 combo. Powerful ? Never hurt DLH. More stamina ? How could we tell DLH always fades and Shane always gets stronger late in fights. Better technique ? Fuck no steroids dont do that for you. What exactly did he gain from steroids. Shanes looked much better before that night and since that night.
Mosley was looking pretty bad throughout that time period though. You had the two Forrest fights, then Mosley's first fight @ 154 was no short to really tell, the no-contest with Marquez. The first fight after DLH 2 was the first Wright fight, which he looked bad as well.
Asterion
06-02-2008, 03:12 PM
If that is true:
1. It does affect Mosley's legacy. He took illegal substances to win. Those substances obviously had an effect...most probably a benefit.
2. Interesting to know the truth about Mosley-De la Hoya II. It should be changed to a NC.
3. For me, Mosley's legacy was mainly what he did above 135. His competition was quite weak at 135.
4. It would make me respect him less.
dan-b
06-02-2008, 04:00 PM
You have to look at the motivations of the people making these claims. Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions.
Kaz_187
06-02-2008, 05:22 PM
Im confused people are saying its rumors nothings been proven,but then some are saying shane has admitted???i mean if he has admitted it then whoever is defending him doesent have a leg to stand on,yh he may have been a great at lightweight(one of the best ever) but if you take illegal performance enhancements knowingly, your scum. However if it is all bullshit and nothings been proved as of yet people need to shut the fuck up until it is.
Im confused people are saying its rumors nothings been proven,but then some are saying shane has admitted???i mean if he has admitted it then whoever is defending him doesent have a leg to stand on,yh he may have been a great at lightweightbut but if you take illegal performance enhancements knowingly, your scum. However if it is all bullshit and nothings been proved as of yet people need to shut the fuck up until it is.
Shane admitted to unknowingly taken steroids. Similiar to Vargas fight with DLH.
But two witnesses have come out and said Shane KNEW he was taking steroids.
I find it funny Shane flew across states to go to Balco for supplements :lol:
RafaelGonzal
06-02-2008, 05:26 PM
Puts most of what he did up for scrutiny......no longer has the respect he once commanded the man is a fraud, I am following this one to get a real assesment of what is happening.
Kaz_187
06-02-2008, 05:27 PM
Shane admitted to unknowingly taken steroids. Similiar to Vargas fight with DLH.
But two witnesses have come out and said Shane KNEW he was taking steroids.
I find it funny Shane flew across states to go to Balco for supplements :lol:if that truely is the case then the guy is scum:good
BeReal
06-02-2008, 07:23 PM
I met Shane Mosley once, and he was an extremely nice guy, straight up, no fakeness about him in that regard. I do however, think he knew what he was doing as far as BALCO is concerned. Shame really, but I will still look at him as one of the greats of his generation.
Shane_Erich
06-02-2008, 07:58 PM
Shane admitted to unknowingly taken steroids. Similiar to Vargas fight with DLH.
But two witnesses have come out and said Shane KNEW he was taking steroids.
I find it funny Shane flew across states to go to Balco for supplements :lol:
Flew across States? Shane lives in California and Balco is in California so at least try and get your facts straight before you convict the guy and give others bad info.
Monticello
06-02-2008, 08:01 PM
No, his legacy is sealed. I don't really know how many more fights he has left in him because he is getting up there in age and hasn't fought since November and it doesn't look like he's fighting anytime soon.
Shane_Erich
06-02-2008, 08:03 PM
Im confused people are saying its rumors nothings been proven,but then some are saying shane has admitted???i mean if he has admitted it then whoever is defending him doesent have a leg to stand on,yh he may have been a great at lightweight(one of the best ever) but if you take illegal performance enhancements knowingly, your scum. However if it is all bullshit and nothings been proved as of yet people need to shut the fuck up until it is.
Like what has been reported on here, Shane did take the steroids but claims he didn't know they were steroids. The peopel who don't like Shane are on their jump to conclusions matt. Apparently his name was in the Balco book, he was interviewed by the Government, passed a lie detector proving what he said was true, but that is never brought up by those that have convicted him already.
I'm on the fence with it, i'll wait for more info. I do think he's a pretty stand up guy and isn't dumb enough to sue someone for slander if there is proof out there that he knew what he was doing.
Flew across States? Shane lives in California and Balco is in California so at least try and get your facts straight before you convict the guy and give others bad info.
Oh my bad, he didn't fly across states. He FLEW up state.
Sorry Shane isn't exactly my favorite fighter I didn't realize he lived in California.
He still flew to Balco.
Like what has been reported on here, Shane did take the steroids but claims he didn't know they were steroids. The peopel who don't like Shane are on their jump to conclusions matt. Apparently his name was in the Balco book, he was interviewed by the Government, passed a lie detector proving what he said was true, but that is never brought up by those that have convicted him already.
I'm on the fence with it, i'll wait for more info. I do think he's a pretty stand up guy and isn't dumb enough to sue someone for slander if there is proof out there that he knew what he was doing.
Can we get confirmation he took a lie detector? And not him saying, I took a lie detector?
Lance_Uppercut
06-02-2008, 08:23 PM
Oh my bad, he didn't fly across states. He FLEW up state.
Sorry Shane isn't exactly my favorite fighter I didn't realize he lived in California.
He still flew to Balco.
What exactly do you know about Balco Eze? Aside from their legal issues. Have they ever been a legitimate company? Or have they ONLY sold steroids? Have they dealt in legal supplements ever? Curious minds want to know. :huh
Lance_Uppercut
06-02-2008, 08:24 PM
Can we get confirmation he took a lie detector? And not him saying, I took a lie detector?
He apparently look a test when this was bigger news. Was when Jones and Bonds were still the primary targets.
What exactly do you know about Balco Eze? Aside from their legal issues. Have they ever been a legitimate company? Or have they ONLY sold steroids? Have they dealt in legal supplements ever? Curious minds want to know. :huh
BALCO was a service business for blood and urine analysis and food supplements.
All of the notable athletes who went to company went there for the illegal supplements.
Bazooka
06-02-2008, 09:14 PM
Oh my bad, he didn't fly across states. He FLEW up state.
Sorry Shane isn't exactly my favorite fighter I didn't realize he lived in California.
He still flew to Balco.
Nah homie you had it right No cal is exactly the name of the state he flew to , NO CAL, wanna know why? becuase the people up there dont want to be part of California therefore they are not!
Nah homie you had it right No cal is exactly the name of the state he flew to , NO CAL, wanna know why? becuase the people up there dont want to be part of California therefore they are not!
:lol::lol:
Too true. Technically he flew out of state! :rofl
Lance_Uppercut
06-02-2008, 09:20 PM
BALCO was a service business for blood and urine analysis and food supplements.
All of the notable athletes who went to company went there for the illegal supplements.
Wikipedia huh?:lol:
Wikipedia huh?:lol:
Actually I typed in google.
"What is BALCO? The Lance_Uppercut definition."
Lance_Uppercut
06-02-2008, 09:31 PM
Actually I typed in google.
"What is BALCO? The Lance_Uppercut definition."
I don't know enough about them to say to be honest. I do know they didn't only work in illegal drugs though.
But I figured you, since you're alll over this thread, and have been making comments on Shane, would know a little more. At least we've established you don't. Oh well...back to tabloin posting eh Eze?
I don't know enough about them to say to be honest. I do know they didn't only work in illegal drugs though.
But I figured you, since you're alll over this thread, and have been making comments on Shane, would know a little more. At least we've established you don't. Oh well...back to tabloin posting eh Eze?
Ive done research on this before with the Barry Bonds situation. They weren't only an "illegal drugs store" though.
That was their primary purpose, with their legal supplements making them look clean and like a regular company.
Why would so many high level athletes be named in the scandal? Oh IDK because they knew BALCO was the place to go because they INVENTED "The Clear".
The only thing it comes down is, did Shane really know? And if he didn't why would he fly there? Also, how long did he knowingly/unknowingly take these drugs?
Bazooka
06-02-2008, 10:23 PM
Shanes Wikipedia
Along with many other professional or Olympic athletes, Mosley has been connected to the BALCO Labs steroid scandal. Jeff Novitzky, a lead investigator on the BALCO case, reported that document seized from the lab show that Mosley received "the clear" and "the cream", both designer steroids. Mosley reportedly began his doping regiment prior to his 2003 bout with Oscar De La Hoya, a match that he won due in part to his strong performance in the later rounds of the fight. [1]
Cobra33
06-03-2008, 09:22 PM
I've always suspected Mosley was jucied.I wouldn't be suprised if he was using it prior to fighting De La Hoya.
I've always suspected Mosley was jucied.I wouldn't be suprised if he was using it prior to fighting De La Hoya.
He was.
Lance_Uppercut
06-03-2008, 09:37 PM
He was.
Prior to their first fight?
Prior to their first fight?
I dont know.
But he did jump 2 weight classes with relative ease.
Only the 2nd fight has been confirmed.
Lance_Uppercut
06-03-2008, 09:48 PM
I dont know.
But he did jump 2 weight classes with relative ease.
Only the 2nd fight has been confirmed.
Duran jumped weight classes, skipped 140. It's not impossible Tabloid boy...:lol:
jimmie
06-03-2008, 09:50 PM
I dont know.
But he did jump 2 weight classes with relative ease.
Only the 2nd fight has been confirmed.
The man has NEVER tested postive for anything so dont go around saying HE WAS like you did in a earlier post. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty ? Until I see legitmate proof Shane ever even used roids like a postive drug test then im saying hes innocent. Same with if he did or did not knowingly inject steroids all I know is he took a lie detector for the FBI and a piss test shortly after the 2nd DLH fight passed both and they left him alone. If the FBI thinks hes telling the truth then so do I.
The man has NEVER tested postive for anything so dont go around saying HE WAS like you did in a earlier post. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty ? Until I see legitmate proof Shane ever even used roids like a postive drug test then im saying hes innocent. Same with if he did or did not knowingly inject steroids all I know is he took a lie detector for the FBI and a piss test shortly after the 2nd DLH fight passed both and they left him alone. If the FBI thinks hes telling the truth then so do I.
OF COURSE HE DIDNT TEST FOR ANYTHING HE WAS TAKING UNDETECTABLE SUPPLEMENTS - WHICH HE ADMITTED TO. Fucking christ, this thread deals with whether he knew or not. Which why would someone who is going for regular supplements travel over half a state to get them? When he could go anywhere for them.
The man has NEVER tested postive for anything so dont go around saying HE WAS like you did in a earlier post. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty ? Until I see legitmate proof Shane ever even used roids like a postive drug test then im saying hes innocent.
Well first, he would have passed the piss test because the roids were intended not to show in a test. Hencethe reason they were highly sought after.
Second, he doesn't need to test positive because he ADMITTED to taking them already. That is a testimony from a first hand witness.
And Third, there are two witnesses that say he knowingly took the roids.
Same with if he did or did not knowingly inject steroids all I know is he took a lie detector for the FBI and a piss test shortly after the 2nd DLH fight passed both and they left him alone. If the FBI thinks hes telling the truth then so do I.
Many people can pass lie detector tests while lying. 5 guys who claimed to have seen a UFO abduct their friend for 5 days passed a lie detector test TWICE!
Lance_Uppercut
06-03-2008, 10:14 PM
The man has NEVER tested postive for anything so dont go around saying HE WAS like you did in a earlier post. What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty ? Until I see legitmate proof Shane ever even used roids like a postive drug test then im saying hes innocent. Same with if he did or did not knowingly inject steroids all I know is he took a lie detector for the FBI and a piss test shortly after the 2nd DLH fight passed both and they left him alone. If the FBI thinks hes telling the truth then so do I.
Eze's mind is already made.
Eze's mind is already made.
Shane admitted to taking supplements that aren't detected. What more do you want?
jimmie
06-03-2008, 10:19 PM
Well first, he would have passed the piss test because the roids were intended not to show in a test. Hencethe reason they were highly sought after.
Second, he doesn't need to test positive because he ADMITTED to taking them already. That is a testimony from a first hand witness.
And Third, there are two witnesses that say he knowingly took the roids.
Many people can pass lie detector tests while lying. 5 guys who claimed to have seen a UFO abduct their friend for 5 days passed a lie detector test TWICE!
When did he admitt to taking anything illegal ? Everything ive seen has said Mosley THOUGHT he was taking legal supplements and he then later found out they where illegal. The guy gets bossed around by his own wife and badly you dont think he wouldnt take something ANYTHING he thought that was LEGAL to gain a edge in a extremly important fight without thinking twice. Shanes always made questionable decisions and he fucked up ok. It doesnt really matter anyway anyone with any brains at all knows the steroids did nothing and ill say it agian NOTHING for him.
When did he admitt to taking anything illegal ? Everything ive seen has said Mosley THOUGHT he was taking legal supplements and he then later found out they where illegal. The guy gets bossed around by his own wife and badly you dont think he wouldnt take something ANYTHING he thought that was LEGAL to gain a edge in a extremly important fight without thinking twice. Shanes always made questionable decisions and he fucked up ok. It doesnt really matter anyway anyone with any brains at all knows the steroids did nothing and ill say it agian NOTHING for him.
:lol:
How is that not admitting? Shane say he unknowingly took them. THATS ADMITTING.
To say steroids didn't help Shane is so ignorant. So ignorant.
When did he admitt to taking anything illegal ? Everything ive seen has said Mosley THOUGHT he was taking legal supplements and he then later found out they where illegal. The guy gets bossed around by his own wife and badly you dont think he wouldnt take something ANYTHING he thought that was LEGAL to gain a edge in a extremly important fight without thinking twice. Shanes always made questionable decisions and he fucked up ok. It doesnt really matter anyway anyone with any brains at all knows the steroids did nothing and ill say it agian NOTHING for him.
What is he going to say, that he knew all along? Hell no he will never say that. Two witnesses came out and said he did know. What now? That's two against one. Two who gain nothing and the one who loses so much if he admits to cheating.
Vargas also said he didn't know and he was banned for 9 months and paid a very hefty fine.
As for steroids doing nothing for him...Well he was stronger than he had ever been, and despite being dominated was able to absorb some visvious hooks and a monstrous uppercut. he got hit harder their than in any other fight he had ever been up untill that time with possibly the exception of the Forrest fight.
Steroids help you with endurance, training, stamina, power etc... You take away the juice and ODLH would have beat him better than Forrest did.
jimmie
06-03-2008, 10:29 PM
:lol:
How is that not admitting? Shane say he unknowingly took them. THATS ADMITTING.
To say steroids didn't help Shane is so ignorant. So ignorant.
Cause we are questioning wether he knowingly took steroids or not. He says he took them without knowing what it was thats not even close to admitting he was knowingly taking steroids.
Agian what did roids help him do ? He looked horrible in that fight he got the win by winning the last few rounds over a faded DLH something Mosley has ALWAYS done win rounds late.
jimmie
06-03-2008, 10:33 PM
What is he going to say, that he knew all along? Hell no he will never say that. Two witnesses came out and said he did know. What now? That's two against one. Two who gain nothing and the one who loses so much if he admits to cheating.
Vargas also said he didn't know and he was banned for 9 months and paid a very hefty fine.
As for steroids doing nothing for him...Well he was stronger than he had ever been, and despite being dominated was able to absorb some visvious hooks and a monstrous uppercut. he got hit harder their than in any other fight he had ever been up untill that time with possibly the exception of the Forrest fight.
Steroids help you with endurance, training, stamina, power etc... You take away the juice and ODLH would have beat him better than Forrest did.
Many atheltes have admitted to using steroids so if Shane came right out and said he did them it wouldnt shock me.
DLH barley landed any clean power shots. Theres a reason he lost because he was throwing flurries and missing most while Shane would throw accurate power shots that landed flush hes done that many times. Endurance and training ? Shane has and always trained in Big Bear like a beast. He has occasionally gotten a bit winded in the middle of the fights but hes always been able to get his 2nd wind if he needed to and if didnt need to he was always sharp all 12 rounds. Mosleys stamina has always been amazing thats thanks to Big Bear training and good nutrition.
Cause we are questioning wether he knowingly took steroids or not. He says he took them without knowing what it was thats not even close to admitting he was knowingly taking steroids.
Agian what did roids help him do ? He looked horrible in that fight he got the win by winning the last few rounds over a faded DLH something Mosley has ALWAYS done win rounds late.
Why would he fly to the bay area for vitamins?
Why would Mosley's conditioning coach and already convicted Balco CEO testify that Mosley knew he was taking steroids?
What makes you think Mosley would say he knew all along?
Many atheltes have admitted to using steroids so if Shane came right out and said he did them it wouldnt shock me.
DLH barley landed any clean power shots. Theres a reason he lost because he was throwing flurries and missing most while Shane would throw accurate power shots that landed flush hes done that many times. Endurance and training ? Shane has and always trained in Big Bear like a beast. He has occasionally gotten a bit winded in the middle of the fights but hes always been able to get his 2nd wind if he needed to and if didnt need to he was always sharp all 12 rounds. Mosleys stamina has always been amazing thats thanks to Big Bear training and good nutrition.
De La Hoya landed more power punches. He was beating Mosley to the punch landing first everytime just about.
De la Hoya landed the most vicious uppercut I have ever seen Mosley take, infact the hardest punch I have ever seen Mosley take and Mosley barely flinched despite his mouthpeice fly across the arena.
Steroids help with Training, endurance, stamina, power, etc...
Lance_Uppercut
06-03-2008, 10:36 PM
Shane admitted to taking supplements that aren't detected. What more do you want?
Don't you think he took them intentionally? Isn't that what you said in another post? If you didn't, my bad. But you've pretty much made this thread your hoime, and seem to be challenging anyone who thinks he didn't do so intentionally. DOn't beat around the bush, be a man and say what you think. If you think he did so intentionally, just say it.
jimmie
06-03-2008, 10:38 PM
De La Hoya landed more power punches. He was beating Mosley to the punch landing first everytime just about.
De la Hoya landed the most vicious uppercut I have ever seen Mosley take, infact the hardest punch I have ever seen Mosley take and Mosley barely flinched despite his mouthpeice fly across the arena.
Steroids help with Training, endurance, stamina, power, etc...
Mosleys always had a good chin this is nothing knew. Oscar landed brutal shots in the 1st fight his natural weight class and never hurt Shane then. Cotto landed some nasty rights and lefts last year and Shane didnt seem bothered by them at all when it comes to being hurt or stunned.
What have you done Eze, this thread is endless! :rofl
Can't really jump into the discussion here, Shane is an all-time favorite to me. :yep
Why would he fly to the bay area for vitamins?
Why would Mosley's conditioning coach and already convicted Balco CEO testify that Mosley knew he was taking steroids?
What makes you think Mosley would say he knew all along?
BUMP!!!!
Don't you think he took them intentionally? Isn't that what you said in another post? If you didn't, my bad. But you've pretty much made this thread your hoime, and seem to be challenging anyone who thinks he didn't do so intentionally. DOn't beat around the bush, be a man and say what you think. If you think he did so intentionally, just say it.
Yes but thats what I think. Im not going to use it as a fact as I was trying to point out.
He was saying Mosley NEVER took anything at all (Knowingly or unknowingly)
Why would he fly to the bay area for vitamins?
Why would Mosley's conditioning coach and already convicted Balco CEO testify that Mosley knew he was taking steroids?
What makes you think Mosley would say he knew all along?
:good
Shane 95% took them on purpose, but one thing is for sure, the final decision on weather he should've taken them or not was made by his wife, so she should be the one to blame.
I hope you're only joking.
:good
I guess we made our point.:cheers
I guess we made our point.:cheers
:lol::happy
Lance_Uppercut
06-03-2008, 11:13 PM
Shane 95% took them on purpose, but one thing is for sure, the final decision on weather he should've taken them or not was made by his wife, so she should be the one to blame.
:lol: :good
De La Hoya landed more power punches. He was beating Mosley to the punch landing first everytime just about.
De la Hoya landed the most vicious uppercut I have ever seen Mosley take, infact the hardest punch I have ever seen Mosley take and Mosley barely flinched despite his mouthpeice fly across the arena.
Steroids help with Training, endurance, stamina, power, etc...
I saw that vicious punch(among others
De La Hoya landed more power punches. He was beating Mosley to the punch landing first everytime just about.
De la Hoya landed the most vicious uppercut I have ever seen Mosley take, infact the hardest punch I have ever seen Mosley take and Mosley barely flinched despite his mouthpeice fly across the arena.
Steroids help with Training, endurance, stamina, power, etc...
:good That was a great punch(among others) that Oscar landed and to say that roids don't help you gain an edge is a typical dumbass remark made by of course, the DLH haters. Very ignorant! Mosley definitely gained in strength and was able to bother Oscar with some of the punches he landed at that weight class when his punches at 147 ticked Oscar.
:good That was a great punch(among others) that Oscar landed and to say that roids don't help you gain an edge is a typical dumbass remark made by of course, the DLH haters. Very ignorant! Mosley definitely gained in strength and was able to bother Oscar with some of the punches he landed at that weight class when his punches at 147 ticked Oscar.
It's amazing his fans (some of them) try to say Mosley didn't gain any help from steroids.
I hope you're only joking.
I hope he is.
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