mundine at middleweight

[sallywinder]

hes relinquished his 'toy SM belt'. hes now officially a middleweight and will be ranked as such. mundine will fight his next fight @ middle, undoubtably against shannon taylor, the man whom gave arthur abraham a tough fight in his last outing.

history is littered with good fighters who lost too much weight, dehydrated, and got kod for their trouble. RJJ and chris byrd two of the latest that come to mind.

mundine looks like a greyhound at the best of times. for him to lose that extra few kgs will not be easy. if he can do it and remain strong, he will be an awesome middle. but if he struggles to make the weight, he may well become cannon fodder, and he risks doing that EVERY time he loses weight to fight at middle.

shannon taylor is probably the wrong bloke to find out against if mundine is comfortable at middle. hes still very dangerous, and he would love nothing more that to ko mundine. i'll bet he is motivated!

[pecks]

shannon taylor, the man whom gave arthur abraham a tough fight in his last outing.
Is this some kind of sick joke?

[sallywinder]

Is this some kind of sick joke?

talking to two of australias top boxers and possibly our best trainer yesterday, they all agreed he did very well against AA.

i'll take their opinion over yours....:good

[sallywinder]

sorry. it wasnt his last outing...but he did well aparently.

[pecks]

talking to two of australias top boxers and possibly our best trainer yesterday, they all agreed he did very well against AA.

i'll take their opinion over yours....:goodDoing very well, and giving AA a tough fight as you worded it are 2 very different things.

He did do well considering he fought with a damaged rib. But the fight was a poor spectacle and looked like it was set up, because AA was very tentative, and didn't really look like he wanted to KO Taylor.

He also won every round as well, or maybe only lost one. Whatever it was, the fight was not close, nor was it tough for AA.

[sallywinder]

i cant debate your opinion as i didnt see the fight. i can only repeat what was said.

that aside, taylor is still a dangerous middleweight, especially if mundine is weakened..

[ashley]

Taylor will be keen and ready to punch on with Mundine for sure but Mundine has 2 much class and speed for Taylor.

[sallywinder]

mundines speed will be a little less a factor at middle. mundines speed may suffer due to weight loss. like byrds did.....

mundine should have picked a 'safer' fight than this to test his strength after such weight loss.

[waynesmale]

a safer fight then Taylor, Like who? a man with a losing record maybe. He will walk through Taylor like eating his lunch.

Taylor is a finished fighter after Mosley put him away and which started Taylors downfall into drugs and since that he never recovered from it. Truly this fight will prove nothing about Mundine at middelweight unless he fights it hard to beat Taylor which can only mean Mundine has made a BIG mistake to move down a weight class.

I have no doubt he was running from Kessler like everyone seems to agree with since Mundine once said he would get revenge on anyone who beat him and now he has a chance and he is running.

WHICH also brings up the fact IF he fights Taylor are you going to tell me there is more money in that fight then a Kessler rematch? Would he earn more respect beating Taylor over Kessler? Not a chance in hell. Even the Mundine fans CANNOT denie he has cut and ran from the Kessler rematch totally out of fear.

[stiflers mum]

mundines speed will be a little less a factor at middle. mundines speed may suffer due to weight loss. like byrds did.....

mundine should have picked a 'safer' fight than this to test his strength after such weight loss.:lol::lol::lol:safer fight you're kidding are'nt you?

[sallywinder]

give taylor more credit. he may have lost some pace, but he still retains his punch. how will mundine handle getting hurt? can mundine get back up after a solid kd? weve never seen him dropped and having to recover. IF, taylor can reach mundines chin, and he will if mundine is weakened, it will get very, very, interesting.

how hard do you think taylor will train for this fight? how focussed will he be?

conversely, what will mundine be concentrating on......?

[kel]

give taylor more credit. he may have lost some pace, but he still retains his punch. how will mundine handle getting hurt? can mundine get back up after a solid kd? weve never seen him dropped and having to recover. IF, taylor can reach mundines chin, and he will if mundine is weakened, it will get very, very, interesting.

how hard do you think taylor will train for this fight? how focussed will he be?

conversely, what will mundine be concentrating on......?


Give it a rest mate.

[pecks]

Give it a rest mate.:lol::lol:

[Kegsy]

Shannan Taylor is a shot fighter.
I have my doubts he will even KO Andreas Seran this upcoming week on FOX.
Seran is a live underdog as Taylor has only fought 1 round in basically a year now.

If Mundine doesnt stop Taylor then he has serious issues.

[teke]

He will Knock Taylor out - simple as this

[stiflers mum]

He will Knock Taylor out - simple as this
and for the first time since he fought ottke i will be cheering for him.if he fights taylor.

[Lead Right]

So Mundine drops belt. Good move. Of course the haters whill crap on, just another day.

Its looks like a fight at 160, but an Ottke rematch would be OK as well.

Oh, and Kessler had his chance.

[teke]

and for the first time since he fought ottke i will be cheering for him.if he fights taylor.we dont need you :fire

[stiflers mum]

So Mundine drops belt. Good move. Of course the haters whill crap on, just another day.

Its looks like a fight at 160, but an Ottke rematch would be OK as well.

Oh, and Kessler had his chance.
paper belt,i agree good move a fit kessler would brutalise him worse than an unfit kessler did last time,haters to you =people who look at his career objectively so yes,ottke well he has beaten up retirees before ellis so yeah,and yes MK had his chance and earily UD your hero a shutout on 1 judges card.:yep

[sallywinder]

Give it a rest mate.

you just want 'it' in your mouth......mate.

[mella]

Taylor will never train hard for any fight, he does what he wants to do at training, he tells his trainers what he's doing for the day and thats what he does. He has people telling him how good he looks while dominating novices in the gym, he could make Light Middle easy but would rather come into the ring with a spare tyre around his waist.

[kel]

you just want 'it' in your mouth......mate.

Very intellegent comeback.

Brush up on your boxing and come back and join this forum in a few years........ MATE

[Bomber]

Isnt Mundine's career over.

[teke]

Isnt Mundine's career over.Yep so you can stop talking about him now

[sallywinder]

Very intellegent comeback.

Brush up on your boxing and come back and join this forum in a few years........ MATE

dont worry. i'll be gentle with you.

[Bomber]

Yep so you can stop talking about him now

By you I take it you mean everyone who has posted?

[teke]

By you I take it you mean everyone who has posted?no just you :yep

[Bomber]

So I take it you have come to the point where you can no longer defend his career long bullshiting and have noticed that he wouldnt ever make the grade?

Or is Calzaghe and the rest still dodging him?

[teke]

So I take it you have come to the point where you can no longer defend his career long bullshiting and have noticed that he wouldnt ever make the grade?

Or is Calzaghe and the rest still dodging him?I dont take you seriously when you write comments like "have noticed he wouldnt ever make the grade"

[Bomber]

Please tell me otherwise, but hasnt he only beat one credible fighter in his career outside Soliman who is now well into the back straight of his career?

[teke]

Please tell me otherwise, but hasnt he only beat one credible fighter in his career outside Soliman who is now well into the back straight of his career?Lack of knowledge to who has beaten, who has Joe beaten...1,2,3 top tier blokes in his almost 50 fight career.

You're deliberately dribbling i can see this

[Bomber]

Open my eyes please, tell me who Mundine has beaten if im disrespecting "The Man"?

[teke]

Open my eyes please, tell me who Mundine has beaten if im disrespecting "The Man"?You've mistaken me for someone who cares that Mundine is disrespected.


I will dodge your question and ask how will Mundine "make the grade", who does he have to beat now?

[Bomber]

Bother actually consistantly tracking valid fighters and having valid fights, with a greater aim of competing for a actual real Championship against real fighters.

[teke]

Bother actually consistantly tracking valid fighters and having valid fights, with a greater aim of competing for a actual real Championship against real fighters.So just fighting greater competition than he has been recently? Fair call as Joe was in the same situation a few years back not fulfilling his potential.

Still think you're taking the piss saying he cant make the grade (unless you're talking about ATG grade).

[JOSEY WALES]

So just fighting greater competition than he has been recently? Fair call as Joe was in the same situation a few years back not fulfilling his potential.

Still think you're taking the piss saying he cant make the grade (unless you're talking about ATG grade). Teke man true Joe did have trouble getting big fights in his career but the likes of prime Lacy ,Reid , Mitcheal , Woodhall (All still prime Current or then recent belt holders ) etc still are all a step up from who Mundine has ever beaten with the exception of maybe Green , add Bika ( Yes i rate Sakio Bika )An unbeaten Kessler and an aging but still dangerous Hopkins to the list and it is truly an impressive record in any reasonable fans opinion , Mundine has had a few disatvantages throughout his career though , Geography and crazed fans paying through the nose to watch him on PPV against less than stella opponents . Mundine needs to go to America now if he's serious about being a proper champ , his mouth has got him into said situation , he needs to fight the likes of AA ,Miranda , Pavlik ,Taylor or Winky ( good luck getting either of the last two ) if he is going to prove his class to the world , Soon we will know if Choc is just in this for the Purse or if e is the real deal .

[roscoe]

Mundines scared to fight Kessler plain & simple. He knows he was never in the 1st fight, then found out Kessler was only 60% fit. Mundine has shown that he has no heart & no real interest in avenging defeats. Please don't call him a champion, it makes a mockery of the term. He ran to 160 to get away from Kessler & thru his B grade belt away to ensure a fight never happens. Chicken Bowe did it when he avoided Lewis. We now have Chicken Choc!!

[stiflers mum]

Mundines scared to fight Kessler plain & simple. He knows he was never in the 1st fight, then found out Kessler was only 60% fit. Mundine has shown that he has no heart & no real interest in avenging defeats. Please don't call him a champion, it makes a mockery of the term. He ran to 160 to get away from Kessler & thru his B grade belt away to ensure a fight never happens. Chicken Bowe did it when he avoided Lewis. We now have Chicken Choc!!
good post:good

[teke]

Teke man true Joe did have trouble getting big fights in his career but the likes of prime Lacy ,Reid , Mitcheal , Woodhall (All still prime Current or then recent belt holders ) etc still are all a step up from who Mundine has ever beaten with the exception of maybe Green , add Bika ( Yes i rate Sakio Bika )An unbeaten Kessler and an aging but still dangerous Hopkins to the list and it is truly an impressive record in any reasonable fans opinion , Mundine has had a few disatvantages throughout his career though , Geography and crazed fans paying through the nose to watch him on PPV against less than stella opponents . Mundine needs to go to America now if he's serious about being a proper champ , his mouth has got him into said situation , he needs to fight the likes of AA ,Miranda , Pavlik ,Taylor or Winky ( good luck getting either of the last two ) if he is going to prove his class to the world , Soon we will know if Choc is just in this for the Purse or if e is the real deal .truly an impressive record with those fighters - noway way it is for a 50 fight long career.

[ipswich express]

If Choc ends up fighting and beating half the calibre of opponent on Calzaghe's record, he'll have done well. I've said it time and time again, it's been great managing on Khoder's behalf. Maximising reward for little risk. It's made him millions... but sadly, has left his legacy tarnished with the sand running out of the hour glass.

[teke]

If Choc ends up fighting and beating half the calibre of opponent on Calzaghe's record, he'll have done well. I've said it time and time again, it's been great managing on Khoder's behalf. Maximising reward for little risk. It's made him millions... but sadly, has left his legacy tarnished with the sand running out of the hour glass.Agreed, but you gotta agree that Joes resume is thin compared to other so called greats.

[pecks]

Agreed, but you gotta agree that Joes resume is thin compared to other so called greats.True.
It's only been the last couple of years where he's really been cashing in on his talents.

Before the Lacy fight, his resume wasn't that much better than Ottke's. Since then, he's been pretty good though.

[konaman]

Agreed, but you gotta agree that Joes resume is thin compared to other so called greats.

Yeah there is no doubt that before Lacy, Bika, Kessler (imo his best notch on his resume) and hopkins his record looked pretty poor, but now it doesn't, so who really cares.

It is hard to take pot shots at calzaghe now because even though his record isn't really fitting of an all time great, he is arguably the best super middleweight ever. I hope he picks up another two big fights before the end of his career to genuinely stamp his name down as an ATG, and do his talent justice (which he hasn't done so far imo).

Mundine will never be on that level but i think he can win a genuine title. I can't wait to see how he goes at middleweight but i think it is likely he will fight a bum or two first which is going to be frustrating as it really is his time to stepup.

And people need to stop crying about Choc running from Kessler, who cares? He lost the first fight clearly so it wouldn't exactly be smart of him to fight him again. Since when is it a travesty for boxers to duck fighters, nearly every boxer does. Mundine has a good opportunity now to really make something of his career at middleweight, its up to him now and we be able to make any excuses if he blows it.

[teke]

Yeah there is no doubt that before Lacy, Bika, Kessler (imo his best notch on his resume) and hopkins his record looked pretty poor, but now it doesn't, so who really cares.

It is hard to take pot shots at calzaghe now because even though his record isn't really fitting of an all time great, he is arguably the best super middleweight ever. I hope he picks up another two big fights before the end of his career to genuinely stamp his name down as an ATG, and do his talent justice (which he hasn't done so far imo).

Mundine will never be on that level but i think he can win a genuine title. I can't wait to see how he goes at middleweight but i think it is likely he will fight a bum or two first which is going to be frustrating as it really is his time to stepup.

And people need to stop crying about Choc running from Kessler, who cares? He lost the first fight clearly so it wouldn't exactly be smart of him to fight him again. Since when is it a travesty for boxers to duck fighters, nearly every boxer does. Mundine has a good opportunity now to really make something of his career at middleweight, its up to him now and we be able to make any excuses if he blows it.Agree.

Joe vs Tarver :happy

[teke]

Teke man true Joe did have trouble getting big fights in his career but the likes of prime Lacy ,Reid , Mitcheal , Woodhall (All still prime Current or then recent belt holders ) etc still are all a step up from who Mundine has ever beaten with the exception of maybe Green , add Bika ( Yes i rate Sakio Bika )An unbeaten Kessler and an aging but still dangerous Hopkins to the list and it is truly an impressive record in any reasonable fans opinion , Mundine has had a few disatvantages throughout his career though , Geography and crazed fans paying through the nose to watch him on PPV against less than stella opponents . Mundine needs to go to America now if he's serious about being a proper champ , his mouth has got him into said situation , he needs to fight the likes of AA ,Miranda , Pavlik ,Taylor or Winky ( good luck getting either of the last two ) if he is going to prove his class to the world , Soon we will know if Choc is just in this for the Purse or if e is the real deal .Replace Lacy with Eubank please

[ipswich express]

And people need to stop crying about Choc running from Kessler, who cares? He lost the first fight clearly so it wouldn't exactly be smart of him to fight him again.

I don't really disagree with what you're saying, but if he talks the talk about fighting Kessler and beating him, it's only natural that fans are going to see want to see him back his words up.

Agree.

Joe vs Tarver

That'd be a good fight, I'd like to see it.

[Sox]

Yeah there is no doubt that before Lacy, Bika, Kessler (imo his best notch on his resume) and hopkins his record looked pretty poor, but now it doesn't, so who really cares.

It is hard to take pot shots at calzaghe now because even though his record isn't really fitting of an all time great, he is arguably the best super middleweight ever. I hope he picks up another two big fights before the end of his career to genuinely stamp his name down as an ATG, and do his talent justice (which he hasn't done so far imo).

Mundine will never be on that level but i think he can win a genuine title. I can't wait to see how he goes at middleweight but i think it is likely he will fight a bum or two first which is going to be frustrating as it really is his time to stepup.

And people need to stop crying about Choc running from Kessler, who cares? He lost the first fight clearly so it wouldn't exactly be smart of him to fight him again. Since when is it a travesty for boxers to duck fighters, nearly every boxer does. Mundine has a good opportunity now to really make something of his career at middleweight, its up to him now and we be able to make any excuses if he blows it.
There are a few significant differences between Mundine and Calzaghe.

Firstly, whilst Joes record prior to Lacy was less than spectacular, it was and still is, a record with no losses.
So even when he did step it up a level, he still came out on top.
Every single time when Mundine has stepped it up, he has lost.

Joe (at least what I've seen) doesn't have the mouth that Mundine has.
Mundines single biggest problem is naming all the big names and claiming he is the best, yet only beating second rate fighters.

As far as crying about Mundine running from Kessler. What else do you think anyone will say, when Mundine has claimed Kessler is running from him, yet in reality it's the other way round. Mundine has also claimed Calzaghe is running from him. (Who hasn't he claimed is running from him?).

These sort of comments are idiotic in isolation. When you are also only fighting second rate opponents, it's just plain absurd.

For the record, I also agree moving down to middleweight (if he can keep his ability) is a smart move on his part, though I also can't blame anyone for paying out on him for doing so.

Rick.

[roscoe]

Sox agree entirely. Mundine talks it up but refuses to walk it. The only legacy mundine will leave behind is a big mouth who couldn't back it up against the elite, whom he constantly reminds us all that he's on their level.

[cedrichw]

mundine V Shannon Taylor
interesting any thoughts

[Marcus]

mundine V Shannon Taylor
interesting any thoughts

He should fight Geale.

[konaman]

There are a few significant differences between Mundine and Calzaghe.

Firstly, whilst Joes record prior to Lacy was less than spectacular, it was and still is, a record with no losses.
So even when he did step it up a level, he still came out on top.
Every single time when Mundine has stepped it up, he has lost.

Joe (at least what I've seen) doesn't have the mouth that Mundine has.
Mundines single biggest problem is naming all the big names and claiming he is the best, yet only beating second rate fighters.

As far as crying about Mundine running from Kessler. What else do you think anyone will say, when Mundine has claimed Kessler is running from him, yet in reality it's the other way round. Mundine has also claimed Calzaghe is running from him. (Who hasn't he claimed is running from him?).

These sort of comments are idiotic in isolation. When you are also only fighting second rate opponents, it's just plain absurd.

For the record, I also agree moving down to middleweight (if he can keep his ability) is a smart move on his part, though I also can't blame anyone for paying out on him for doing so.

Rick.
Yeah im not trying to compare Choc to Calzaghe, Choc isn't half the fighter Joe is. I suppose im more trying to say that a lot is possible in a short period of time, not long ago Calzaghe was copping a world of shit, 2 years later it is pretty damn hard to say anything bad about the man.

Choc obviously talks a world of shit and i just find it baffling that people still take his comments to the grave after years of it, it is pretty obvious how he operates. Of course he isn't going to say "im not going to fight Kessler again as i would have a slim chance of victory" very few boxers are modest.
Calzaghe wouldn't walk across the street to piss on Choc if he was on fire, so it is pretty obvious that he isn't going to organise a fight with him. This makes it easy for Choc to call him out, when obviously he knows a fight will never be made. It is a simple publicity stunt and people should see it just as that.

[Kegsy]

He should fight Geale.
Geale is in no hurry to fight Mundine Marcus.
Let him improve his opponents over the next 12 months 1st.

[Sox]

Geale is in no hurry to fight Mundine Marcus.
Let him improve his opponents over the next 12 months 1st.
I agree, Dan ain't quite ready for Mundine, but it won't be too long.

Rick.

[ajay11]

Teke man true Joe did have trouble getting big fights in his career but the likes of prime Lacy ,Reid , Mitcheal , Woodhall (All still prime Current or then recent belt holders ) etc still are all a step up from who Mundine has ever beaten with the exception of maybe Green , add Bika ( Yes i rate Sakio Bika )An unbeaten Kessler and an aging but still dangerous Hopkins to the list and it is truly an impressive record in any reasonable fans opinion , Mundine has had a few disatvantages throughout his career though , Geography and crazed fans paying through the nose to watch him on PPV against less than stella opponents . Mundine needs to go to America now if he's serious about being a proper champ , his mouth has got him into said situation , he needs to fight the likes of AA ,Miranda , Pavlik ,Taylor or Winky ( good luck getting either of the last two ) if he is going to prove his class to the world , Soon we will know if Choc is just in this for the Purse or if e is the real deal .

So what you're doing is suggesting Calzaghe has proven himself as a great champion because his opposition has been better than Mundine's??? :huh

How does that work? You're the first to step up and slam Mundine so that doesn't say much. How about comparing his record to someone like Roy Jones Jr, Bernard Hopkins, Oscar Dela Hoya or Ray Leonard seeing how so many of his fans want to rate him as an ATG.

What a joke! Let's see if he'll fight Tarver as he's more dangerous at present than Roy Jones Jr.

To those that say Mundine isn't a "real world champ" because he didn't win a real belt, I'd say "how real is the WBO belt" ??? Very little difference when it comes to prestige between a WBA regular strap and the WBO title.

[grazz1971]

Shannon will make it a ugly fight imo,but it would be good to see how mundine handles it

[ajay11]

Shannon will make it a ugly fight imo,but it would be good to see how mundine handles it

I thought S.Taylor looked okay in his last fight but word I'm getting is that he's still a last resort for Mundine.

Until it's offical I wouldn't read to much into it, especially if it comes via News Ltd.

[JOSEY WALES]

So what you're doing is suggesting Calzaghe has proven himself as a great champion because his opposition has been better than Mundine's??? :huh

How does that work? You're the first to step up and slam Mundine so that doesn't say much. How about comparing his record to someone like Roy Jones Jr, Bernard Hopkins, Oscar Dela Hoya or Ray Leonard seeing how so many of his fans want to rate him as an ATG.

What a joke! Let's see if he'll fight Tarver as he's more dangerous at present than Roy Jones Jr.

To those that say Mundine isn't a "real world champ" because he didn't win a real belt, I'd say "how real is the WBO belt" ??? Very little difference when it comes to prestige between a WBA regular strap and the WBO title. Im not the one comparing Mundines record to calzaghe's record ,you were and teke is , however the fella is unbeaten since the age of 14 and has held the LEGIT WBO title for 10 years , during which time he has beaten roughly 10 figters who were then top draw opponents ie Then current or Then recently beaten former holders of Legit titles , BTW do you honestly think the WBA third place title Mundine has is equivilant to the WBO title ? Kessler was # 1 in the WBA then he lost his title trying to unify versus Calzaghe , him losing doesn't make him lower placed than Mundine imo , Calzaghe is the UNDISPUTED WBA , WBO , WBC Champion and former IBF Champ ,Kessler should be in any reasonable fans eyes considered # 2 and Mundine # 3 ( in the WBA stakes ) . Mundine had the Chance to prove otherwise Ie, that he was the # 2 behind Calzaghe but he shit it with the kessler rematch ( Quiet correctly finacially imo ) to fight a bloke he has already beaten Twice prior .So really Mundines career has never imaged that of Calzaghe even in the first half of Joe's career within 4 years of Joe turning pro he had won a bonified title and within 7 years he had made 8 defences of it . now tell me again that the prestige of owning the WBA "also ran" title is on par with a title that he Joe has defended for 10 years .Ps Spot on Calzaghe v Tarver will be my fight of choice for Joe when the Pavlik fight get pulled after Gary beats him this weekend . :good only fekingwitcha lads . :rofl :rofl

[ajay11]

Im not the one comparing Mundines record to calzaghe's record ,Teke was , however the fella is unbeaten since the age of 14 and has held the LEGIT WBO title for 10 years , during which time he has beaten roughly 10 figters who were then top draw opponents ie Then current or Then recently beaten former holders of Legit titles , BTW do you honestly think the WBA third place title Mundine has is equivilant to the WBO title ? Kessler was # 1 in the WBA then he lost his title trying to unify versus Calzaghe , him losing doesn't make him lower placed than Mundine imo , Calzaghe is the UNDISPUTED WBA , WBO , WBC Champion and former IBF Champ ,Kessler should be in any reasonable fans eyes considered # 2 and Mundine # 3 ( in the WBA stakes ) . Mundine had the Chance to prove otherwise Ie, that he was the # 2 behind Calzaghe but he shit it with the kessler rematch ( Quiet correctly finacially imo ) to fight a bloke he has already beaten Twice prior .So really Mundines career has never imaged that of Calzaghe even in the first half of Joe's career within 4 years of Joe turning pro he had won a bonified title and within 7 years he had made 8 defences of it . now tell me again that the prestige of owning the WBA "also ran" title is on par with a title that he Joe has defended for 10 years .

The points I was making were

a) Does the type of title (IBF, WBO, WBA regular etc) determine how real a champion is? Would you rate Stipe Drews as a true champ? The winner of Shannon Taylor v Jungle Bunny was going to win a "World Title" although I can't even remember what organization sanctioned that !!! Fact is that most people don't rate the type of belt held these days which is why a magazine appears to hold more credibility these days when it comes to who ranks where.

b) Just because a fighter is an undefeated champion doesn't automatically make them great.

Not many rate Rocky Marciano in the top 5 heavyweights of all time even though he retired 49-0 !!!

No, what makes them great is by beating great fighters. Seriously WHAT OPPONENTS OF CALZAGHE CAN HONESTLY BE RATED AS GREAT ???

[THN]

[quote=ipswich express]I don't really disagree with what you're saying, but if he talks the talk about fighting Kessler and beating him, it's only natural that fans are going to see want to see him back his words up.

:good :good :good

[JOSEY WALES]

The points I was making were

a) Does the type of title (IBF, WBO, WBA regular etc) determine how real a champion is? Would you rate Stipe Drews as a true champ? The winner of Shannon Taylor v Jungle Bunny was going to win a "World Title" although I can't even remember what organization sanctioned that !!! Fact is that most people don't rate the type of belt held these days which is why a magazine appears to hold more credibility these days when it comes to who ranks where.

b) Just because a fighter is an undefeated champion doesn't automatically make them great.

Not many rate Rocky Marciano in the top 5 heavyweights of all time even though he retired 49-0 !!!

No, what makes them great is by beating great fighters. Seriously WHAT OPPONENTS OF CALZAGHE CAN HONESTLY BE RATED AS GREAT ??? If thats the case what fighter apart from RJJ can be considered active and Great ? Fighters never really get GREAT status until they are looked at from a nostalgic perspective , we don't know how Great Calzaghe will be conidered until he is 10 years retired , imo though if anyone can fight the calibre of fighters Joe Calzaghe has been fighting throughout his career and remain unbeaten will in time be condsidered Great by any fair minded fan whithout and agenda , name me one Australian fighter fo example that is considered an all time great and with a bit of time and research i could probably pick holes in his oppnents as you do to Calzaghe's career . same as most people who are considered as Greats , Joe Calzaghe is what he is mate ie a Great fighter .:deal

[Marcus]

Geale is in no hurry to fight Mundine Marcus.
Let him improve his opponents over the next 12 months 1st.

Its the fight Mundine should be chasing if he had some balls.

[teke]

If thats the case what fighter apart from RJJ can be considered active and Great ? Fighters never really get GREAT status until they are looked at from a nostalgic perspective , we don't know how Great Calzaghe will be conidered until he is 10 years retired , imo though if anyone can fight the calibre of fighters Joe Calzaghe has been fighting throughout his career and remain unbeaten will in time be condsidered Great by any fair minded fan whithout and agenda , name me one Australian fighter fo example that is considered an all time great and with a bit of time and research i could probably pick holes in his oppnents as you do to Calzaghe's career, same as most people who are considered as Greats , Joe Calzaghe is what he is mate ie a Great fighter .:dealAgree, you cant knock a bloke who doesnt know what a loss is. Most of the greats i have been comparing to him have had multiple losses :deal

[teke]

So we all getting excited about Mundine v Shannon Taylor??? :good

[ipswich express]

Have you put your dummy back in now Teke? :lol:

[roscoe]

Maybe with fenech/nelson at jnr middle mundine will wait & call out the winner! Wouldn't put it past him. Does Lester Ellis want a rematch?

[teke]

Have you put your dummy back in now Teke? :lol:Shannon Taylor is the fight that you couldnt tell us about isnt it :hey

[Bomber]

If he had any bottle he would have traveled to Europe or the States to gain exposure. Staying home just reinforced the perception that he was a 2nd rate hustler out to rip folks off.