The Sleepers......

[JohnThomas1]

Name one sleeper per division that is seldom seen in the consensus top 10 lists but would wreak potential havoc on some that do.

[Russell]

Freddie Norwood.

[Hatesrats]

I'll take a stab bro..(IMO)

1. Heavyweight: Andrew Golota
2. Cruiserweight: ?
3. Lt Heavyweight: Shaun George
4. Super Middleweight: Allan Green
5. Middleweight: Marco Antonio Rubio
6. Jr. Middleweight: Yuri Foreman
7. Welterweight: Kermit Cintron
8. Jr. Welterweight: Marcos Rene Maidana
9. Lightweight: Urbano Antillon
10. Jr. Lightweight: Yuriorkis Gamboa
11. Featherweight: Chonlatarn Piriyapinyo
12. Super Bantamweight: Rey Bautista
13. Bantamweight: Joseph Agbeko
14. Super Flyweight: Raul Martinez

I'll prob quit here bro..

[Nemesis]

How do, John?

MW-Herol Bomber Graham (personal choice, obviously)

[Rui]

Jimmy Carter at lightweight for sure.

[JohnThomas1]

How do, John?

MW-Herol Bomber Graham (personal choice, obviously)

Gidday mate, good mention, as have been others already.

[Seamus]

I'm goddamned tired, John, but I love your posts.

One fighter I will name is Greg Haugen. Under-rated, very skilled, and gave fits to even the best of fighters.

Others? Tony Tubbs and Greg Page at heavy. Big-time skills and big-time drug problems. Dave Tiberi at middleweight, though a little soft he beat Toney going away. Lastly, Jose Luis Lopez. Ike Quartey was never KO'd but Lopez was within a hare's breadth of doing just that against a prime Quartey. Again, refer to drugs.

[JohnThomas1]

I'm goddamned tired, John, but I love your posts.

One fighter I will name is Greg Haugen. Under-rated, very skilled, and gave fits to even the best of fighters.

Others? Tony Tubbs and Greg Page at heavy. Big-time skills and big-time drug problems. Dave Tiberi at middleweight, though a little soft he beat Toney going away. Lastly, Jose Luis Lopez. Ike Quartey was never KO'd but Lopez was within a hare's breadth of doing just that against a prime Quartey. Again, refer to drugs.

Thanks Seamus! Some interesting mentions, and anyone rating Page is sure a friend of mine!! :D

I'll do a few without much thought

Heavyweight: Jimmy Young
Lt Heavyweight: Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
Middleweight: Thomas Hearns
Jr. Middleweight: Tony Ayala
Welterweight: Marlon Starling
Jr. Welterweight: Alexis Arguello
Lightweight: Heccy Camacho :smoke
Jr. Lightweight: Rocky Lockridge
Featherweight: Jeff Fenech
Super Bantamweight: Vacant
Bantamweight: Jeff Chandler

[sweet_scientist]

One fighter I will name is Greg Haugen. Under-rated, very skilled, and gave fits to even the best of fighters.
Fits of laughter perhaps. When he stepped up to the real elites he was embarassed.

[sweet_scientist]

Flyweight: Mark Johnson (and Yuri Arbachakov)
Bantamweight: Lionel Rose (and Jeff Fenech)
Featherweight: Howard Winstone (and Ernesto Marcel)
Lightweight: Sammy Mandell (and Wes Ramey)
Junior Welterweight: Eddie Perkins (and Packey McFarland)
Welterweight: Billy Graham (and Pernell Whitaker)

I'm probably out of my element a bit above the welters, so I'll stop there.

[PhillyPhan69]

Tony "The Tiger" Lopez at SFW
Wars w/ Lockridge and Molina show him able to take a punch, able to brawl and able to box. The KD that Lockridge laid him down with amazes me that he could even get up let alone come back to win. I don't see him being an easy out for anyone at this weight.

[PhillyPhan69]

Let me stick w/ the name lopez...Danny "Lil Red" at FW...
again very under rated...Wins against Ruben Olivares, David kotey, castillio and Ayala show him able to box, unleash devestating power. He would continusly stalk and wear down opponents. Even his loss to Chacon does not really diminsh him in my eyes, and the losses to sal sanchez late in his carear show him as able to take a punch (If he was in the 12 rd era, his legacy might even be enhanced) and remain competitive w/ the elite of the division.

[JohnThomas1]

Good additions mate, for sure! Big power in Lopez.

[red cobra]

I always liked Tony The TIger Lopez. He was one of my favorites, and a feather in his crown was exposing Jorge Paez as a second rate overachiever, but a likeable and harmless one, however.

[dpw417]

Heavyweight: Jimmy Young
Light Heavyweight: Doug Jones/Addendum: Mauro Mina
Middleweight: Joey Archer/Joey Giardello/Holly Mimms/George Benton
Welterweight: Billy Graham
Lightweight: Hector Camacho/Ken Buchannon/Ismael Laguna/Shane Mosely
Featherweight:Manny Pacquiao
Bantamweiht: Lupe Pintor/Jeff Chandler

[Ezzard]

Freddie Steele
Dwight Mo Qawi
Lloyd Honeyghan
John Conteh

[PhillyPhan69]

Middle weight- How about the Bad one himself...Bennie Briscoe, is a threat in just about anyone's era. battles with Monzon, hagler, Hart, Valdez show him to be stiff competition even for the most elite. Seldom on a top 10 list...unless for power...But dangerous enough for anyone...ever!

[PhillyPhan69]

Light Heavy weight- Back to the name Lopez...Yaqui Lopez- Battled Conteh, Galindez X'2, MS Muhammad X'2....Beat future champ (dominated really) Mike rossman....Able to box, very nice jab, good chin, decent power...Again not an easy out for anyone.

[PhillyPhan69]

HW- Not my favorite, but fits the criteria...Big Daddy, Bowe. wins against Holyfield show him at the upper echelon of his era. his size and movement and skill at the top of his game would be a handful for anyone...never KO'd...avenged his only loss...some including myself think he was the top dog, and likely winner had his management allowed him and Lennox to fight....Mere speculation, I know!...At his best would present a problem and most likely concern for any HW in history!

[salsanchezfan]

..........On any given night, Edwin Rosario could take out damn near any lightweight ever, but he could just as likely get bombed out himself.

[radianttwilight]

Pipino Cuevas and Ike Quartey at WW.

Ronald Wright at 160 - his style is just a total bitch for alot of guys.

Still an ATG but I feel he is underrated - Floyd Patterson. He was unlucky enough that he was at the tail end of the "small heavyweight" era and had to run head-first into the flagship of the superheavy era - the Big Bad Bear. Anybody who doesn't have a very strong chin could lose to Patterson, as he was an extremely fast starter with amazing handspeed, finishing ability, and underrated power.

[dpw417]

HW- Not my favorite, but fits the criteria...Big Daddy, Bowe. wins against Holyfield show him at the upper echelon of his era. his size and movement and skill at the top of his game would be a handful for anyone...never KO'd...avenged his only loss...some including myself think he was the top dog, and likely winner had his management allowed him and Lennox to fight....Mere speculation, I know!...At his best would present a problem and most likely concern for any HW in history!
A motivated, prime Riddick Bowe would be tough news for anybody.:good Good choice.

[AREA 53]

Bunny Sterling !

[Drew101]

Baby Arizmendi

[Muchmoore]

Heavyweight: Jimmy Young


Jimmy Young is an awesome choice here. He was able to outbox Foreman and fought an even fight with Ali. He would definently pull off some upsets against some of the "greats."

[JohnThomas1]

Jimmy Young is an awesome choice here. He was able to outbox Foreman and fought an even fight with Ali. He would definently pull off some upsets against some of the "greats."

Thanks mate.

Some great choices all thru here. Sal mentions Rosario, and i see him as the hardest punching 135 ever so he's a great holler. Carter too is a standout. Ez cuts to the chase as well. PP69, and Cuevas a huge hitter too and Bowe is a fantastic choice too. Some other mentions are a bit over my head but given the proclaimants i am sure they are awesome mentions.

[Holmes' Jab]

Wilfred Benitez, Jersey Joe Walcott and Marcel Cerdan.

[McGrain]

Flyweight: John Caldwell. He moved up to bantam, but this was pretty much through lack of competition. Beat some good fighters before being beaten by Jofre. Never, ever a natural Bantam, he was mostly inside that limit. He could fight anyone at fly.

Bantamweight: Orland Canizales. Horribly underated. He seems to me like someone who is only as good as the man in front of him, mixing in top ten all time competition could really spring some surprises.

Featherweight: Antonio Esparragoza. Mentally strong with advantages in reach, deeply patient. He'd be a match up for some all-time greats in this most excellent division.

Lightweight: Esteban De Jesus of course.

Welterweight: Holman Williams. I would certianly pick him over some fighters whose names are much, much better known, and he's already proven himself over an ATG welter in Charley Burley - 3 times.

Middleweight: Eddie Booker. Archie Moore considered him one of the best ever. He'd be a handful for any great Middle.

Light-Heavyweight: John Conteh. Brilliant talent

Heavyweight: Vitali Klitchsko. Absolutley nowhere near any top ten, he is a tough match up for all of them.

[fists of fury]

Heavyweight: James Douglas (duh)
Cruiser: Smokin' Bert Cooper
Lightheavy: Marvin Johnson, Battling Siki
Spr. Middle: um...
Middle: Michael Nunn, Tony Zale
Jnr. middle: - Mike McCallum
Welter: Johhny Bratton
jnr. Welter: um...maybe Battling Torrez
Lightweight: Joe Brown, Simon Brown
Jnr. Lightweight: Jon-Jon Molina
Feather: Barry McGuigan
Jnr. Feather: Louie Espinoza
Bantam: Gaby Canizales

...that's enough; too much thinking required here. :D

[salsanchezfan]

..........Oooooo. Another good one would be Joe Medel, powerpunching bantamweight in the Jofre-Harada era.

[teeto]

Good call on Canizales McGrain, one of the greats imo, and Vitali was very underrated imo, i still class him as better than Wlad , h2h anyway, very awkward

[McGrain]

Good call on Canizales McGrain, one of the greats imo, and Vitali was very underrated imo, i still class him as better than Wlad , h2h anyway, very awkward

You like Canizales too? I was just looking for my career set, I can't find it!

[teeto]

You like Canizales too? I was just looking for my career set, I can't find it!
Yea, ive seen not too much though, just read an awful lot. Must be a great career set that

[McGrain]

Must be a great career set that

He blows hot and cold but yes it is :twisted:

[teeto]

He blows hot and cold but yes it is :twisted:
Never thought he'd be the type to fight to his level of comp, always had him pinned as a dominant type, dont know why, just a first opinion that stuck. Im gunna search for some footage and try and get a hold of some sometime when money's a little better!!!

[salsanchezfan]

...........I remember watching many of his fights on network tv back in the day. I also just got a copy of his title-winning 15th round TKO of the always game Kelvin Seabrooks from Raging B()ll. Canizales was so smooth, so well-schooled. Would've taken a hell of an effort by a great bantamweight to beat him. He deserves a very high ranking at that weight.

[SuzieQ49]

Here are my picks

Heavyweight: Elmer Violent Ray

Light-Heavyweight: Mauro Mina

Middleweight: Eduardo Lasse

Welterweight: Cocoa Kid

Lightweight: George Araujo

Featherweight: Azumah Nelson

[Minotauro]

Bantamweight: Sixto Escobar

Featherweight: Freddie Miller

Lightweight: Lou Ambers or Bob Montgomery

Welterweight: Fritizie Zivic or Jimmy McClarnin

Middleweights: Mike Gibbons

Light heavyweight: Jimmy Bivins or Tiger Jack Fox

Heavyweight: Tim Witherspoon