Kimbo Slice

[Tko4]

What a joke. That ref was standing it up all the time to give him a shot and wave the fight off when it shouldn't have. Gary Shaw pay him much?

The EliteXC poster boy is what he is...a disgrace to real MMA athletes.

[québecwarrior]

fuck him, Bullshit stoppage

[Big T]

He fought a guy with no chin, and not known as a ground fighter. Kimbo is in big truble if they EVER put him in with a better fighter.

[Tko4]

Real MMA athletes should shaking their heads right now.

[québecwarrior]

Lesnar would kill Kimbo, i'm sure a 100 percent and I would bet my house on it

[unsentdemon]

Will this be replayed on showtime?

[cardstars]

What a joke. That ref was standing it up all the time to give him a shot and wave the fight off when it shouldn't have. Gary Shaw pay him much?

The EliteXC poster boy is what he is...a disgrace to real MMA athletes.

it was a bullshit stoppage but the ref wasn't "standing up the fight all the time", he only did it once. And I agree with another poster that Lesnar would murder him on the ground

[Barber-ian]

Thomson should have constant gone for the takedown. He NEVER should have tried to stand and trade because that's really the only thing Slice can do.

If Thompson had foregone the macho punching BS and shot in on Kimbo in the 3rd round, it would have been a decision or stoppage for the brit.

Kimbo wont last much longer once he moves up to fight real fighters. No way in hell.

[Tko4]

He fought a guy with no chin, and not known as a ground fighter. Kimbo is in big truble if they EVER put him in with a better fighter.

Kimbo even clipped Glass Jaw and didn't put him away. His power is overrated, too. Wow. Go back to Florida, Kimbo. Let the real athletes have their time on network TV. Fedor. Barnett. Sylvia. Arvloski. Nog.

[Donut62]

What a fucking embarassment to the sport.

[Tko4]

What a fucking embarassment to the sport.

Exactly. Shaw did himself no favors with actual MMA fans or actual MMA athletes tonight. Sadly, Kimbo will be EliteXC heavyweight champ soon, which will be a joke.

Dana White has to be laughing his ass off right now.

[Rico Spadafora]

What a joke. That ref was standing it up all the time to give him a shot and wave the fight off when it shouldn't have. Gary Shaw pay him much?

The EliteXC poster boy is what he is...a disgrace to real MMA athletes.



He fought a guy with no chin and still could not KO him legit. Kimbo has no skill at all.

[scurlaruntings]

What a joke. That ref was standing it up all the time to give him a shot and wave the fight off when it shouldn't have. Gary Shaw pay him much?

The EliteXC poster boy is what he is...a disgrace to real MMA athletes.Dont blame Kimbo. The guys just trying to get paid. Blame Gary Shaw and EliteXC. If they want to get behind and promote the ass out of a internet phenom thats "THEIR" fault NOT Kimbo`s. As iv said time and time again the guys no diffrent to Tank except his resume is extremely weak and his been spoon fed a few bums and old men. He is what he is which is nothing.

[aliwasthegreatest]

i am impressed at the rate that he is learning i will give him that. he has something resembling a takedown defense. and a semi ok guard. which IS better than alot of people wit his extremely limited MMA experience can say. so thats good.

[AJAX]

Dont blame Kimbo. The guys just trying to get paid. Blame Gary Shaw and EliteXC. If they want to get behind and promote the ass out of a internet phenom thats "THEIR" fault NOT Kimbo`s. As iv said time and time again the guys no diffrent to Tank except his resume is extremely weak and his been spoon fed a few bums and old men. He is what he is which is nothing.

I agree, the guy is just riding the gravy train that has been put in front of him. Gary Shaw is trying to use him to bring Elite xc lglory but it looks like it won't happen. Kimbo never claimed to be a world killer he is just cashing in.

[Rico Spadafora]

Exactly. Shaw did himself no favors with actual MMA fans or actual MMA athletes tonight. Sadly, Kimbo will be EliteXC heavyweight champ soon, which will be a joke.

Dana White has to be laughing his ass off right now.

No way will Kimbo ever be Elite XC Heavyweight champion. I don't think he could beat Brett Rogers much less Bigfoot Silva. Kimbo is a joke.

[AJAX]

they might bring the same ref back, so anything is possible.

[fatcity]

Hey,another ref which qualifies to referee a Ricky Hatton fight.:good

[RUSKULL]

Lesnar would kill Kimbo, i'm sure a 100 percent and I would bet my house on it

That's what I can't understand, why didn't they feed a couple of stiffs to Lesnar to get his confidence & reputation up? Instead they throw him in with a great submission wrestling/former HW champion, Frank Mir! What did everyone expect to happen?

I gaurantee that Mir would submit Kimbo if they fought tomorrow.

[Jovanie]

if I where Kimbo I would be doing the same thing...

[scurlaruntings]

That's what I can't understand, why didn't they feed a couple of stiffs to Lesnar to get his confidence & reputation up? Instead they throw him in with a great submission wrestling/former HW champion, Frank Mir! What did everyone expect to happen?

I gaurantee that Mir would submit Kimbo if they fought tomorrow.Because his in the UFC. For all intents and purposes thats the big leagues. You cant work your way up in the UFC you come ready to go or ready to fail. If Lesnar wanted to build a rep he should have joined TUF or one of the feeder Orgs. With the amount of money at stake from his namesake alone you think Dana would let that happen? The mans a business man first.

[scurlaruntings]

if I where Kimbo I would be doing the same thing...Bingo:thumbsup:deal

[Shareef]

I don't know why Kimbo is getting this much hate. The guy is a class act and i haven't heard him hype himself up as something he's not. Blame Gary Shaw not Kimbo. The ref seemed a bias to me but its not as bad as everyone is making him out to be. I recall he did once stand them up when he shouldn't have but people are acting everytime kimbo was on the ground he stood them up. The stoppage was premature no doubt but not as bad as i intially thought. After i seen the replay Thompson would have been laid out with the next shot that hit him. That said i don't know why threads are popping out how fedor would kill Kimbo thats obvious and is pure hate. I think everyone knows Kimbo is not an elite world class mma guy. However i do think he can improve and become a fairly good he is new to the game.

[Rock0052]

Because his in the UFC. For all intents and purposes thats the big leagues. You cant work your way up in the UFC you come ready to go or ready to fail. If Lesnar wanted to build a rep he should have joined TUF or one of the feeder Orgs. With the amount of money at stake from his namesake alone you think Dana would let that happen? The mans a business man first.

You post some interesting things Scurla, but in this case, I have to disagree with you entirely. Here's why:

Not giving Lesnar a few easy matchups was a terrible business decision that I find borderline indefensible. If there were MMA textbooks for promoting a fighter, that decision would be a classic case study of what not to do.

If Lesnar had gone against Kimbo's level of opposition to start his MMA career, he'd have gotten much more buzz for the organization and continued to generate cash for both himself and the UFC. By putting him into a terrible style matchup against a former champion in his first match, the crossover potential of Lesnar was killed before it got a chance to begin. If the same thing happened in boxing, the finger would be getting pointed squarely at that fighters' management and the promoter. I, for one, am not going to apply a double standard and pretend it wasn't a terrible decision on the UFC's part.

And, it's not as if they've never spoonfed fighters subpar (and cheap) competition before to help their fighters develop and generate some positive hype. Mismatched matchups like Arlovski vs Buentello (which was even a title fight) happen for just that reason.

As far as Kimbo himself, I don't blame him whatsoever for cashing in. It's not his fault internet fanboys think he's the baddest sumbitch on the planet and his promoters are capitalizing on that. In fact, for all the shit being said about fatman Shaw, it can't be argued that he's done a hell of a job advancing Kimbo's career and value. Given what he's got to work with, it's been borderline perfect- he got an internet fighter headlining on prime time, free TV by giving him enough time with coaching to develop a little bit, and enough easy opposition to look good against to make him look like a monster.

That is the very definition of great management to even get a guy like Kimbo in that position. Compare that to how UFC hung Lesnar out to dry, and you get a vast contrast in the right and wrong way to promote a new fighter (even if they have limitations) who has mainstream potential.

[billyconn]

Dont blame Kimbo. The guys just trying to get paid. Blame Gary Shaw and EliteXC. If they want to get behind and promote the ass out of a internet phenom thats "THEIR" fault NOT Kimbo`s. As iv said time and time again the guys no diffrent to Tank except his resume is extremely weak and his been spoon fed a few bums and old men. He is what he is which is nothing.


pretty much nail on the head but he's not a nobody he's definitely tougher than the average dude much tougher....


.....this might be the first time (in the US) that an athlete is being overhyped because of their marketability/draw and they're not white. So in that sense it's cool....

[Rock0052]

pretty much nail on the head but he's not a nobody he's definitely tougher than the average dude much tougher....


.....this might be the first time (in the US) that an athlete is being overhyped because of their marketability/draw and they're not white. So in that sense it's cool....

It happens. In the NFL, Reggie Bush and Mike Vick are good examples of dudes with endorsements out the ass before they did anything professionally and made more than guys better than them doing it. For the fight game, they really milked Tyson near the end of his career more on myth than what he was actually capable of. Still love Iron Mike, though.

[joe the great]

What a joke. That ref was standing it up all the time to give him a shot and wave the fight off when it shouldn't have. Gary Shaw pay him much?

The EliteXC poster boy is what he is...a disgrace to real MMA athletes.
The stoppage was questionable and not stopping it after round two was also questionable. Both fighters gave it there all. As for a disgrace no he's not a disgrace but he shouldn't get more than four figure paydays IMO.

[scurlaruntings]

You post some interesting things Scurla, but in this case, I have to disagree with you entirely. Here's why:

Not giving Lesnar a few easy matchups was a terrible business decision that I find borderline indefensible. If there were MMA textbooks for promoting a fighter, that decision would be a classic case study of what not to do.

If Lesnar had gone against Kimbo's level of opposition to start his MMA career, he'd have gotten much more buzz for the organization and continued to generate cash for both himself and the UFC. By putting him into a terrible style matchup against a former champion in his first match, the crossover potential of Lesnar was killed before it got a chance to begin. If the same thing happened in boxing, the finger would be getting pointed squarely at that fighters' management and the promoter. I, for one, am not going to apply a double standard and pretend it wasn't a terrible decision on the UFC's part.

And, it's not as if they've never spoonfed fighters subpar (and cheap) competition before to help their fighters develop and generate some positive hype. Mismatched matchups like Arlovski vs Buentello (which was even a title fight) happen for just that reason.

As far as Kimbo himself, I don't blame him whatsoever for cashing in. It's not his fault internet fanboys think he's the baddest sumbitch on the planet and his promoters are capitalizing on that. In fact, for all the shit being said about fatman Shaw, it can't be argued that he's done a hell of a job advancing Kimbo's career and value. Given what he's got to work with, it's been borderline perfect- he got an internet fighter headlining on prime time, free TV by giving him enough time with coaching to develop a little bit, and enough easy opposition to look good against to make him look like a monster.

That is the very definition of great management to even get a guy like Kimbo in that position. Compare that to how UFC hung Lesnar out to dry, and you get a vast contrast in the right and wrong way to promote a new fighter (even if they have limitations) who has mainstream potential.Dude i wholly agree. BUT Dana`s stance is the UFC is the big leagues and thus NO ONE no matter what the name gets an easy ride. Within 2 losses any fighter can be gone the rotations are that quick. They have loyalty to no fighters whatsoever other than the ones that make them money on a regular basis. I know what i would have done with Lesnar but im not Dana White and i dont see things his way. My point was merely to highlight the way the UFC thinks.

[scurlaruntings]

Kimbo was winded at the time of the finish , a fighter with better reflexes, and legwork would have easily defeated Kimbo last night. Colossus just stood there at the end and didnt have the footwork or reflexes to avoid those big bombs Kimbo threw. And the one time Clossus used a leg kick , Kimbo stumbled off balance.Kimbo couldnt even finish the interview he was that out of breath. Either way as i far as im concerned i hope he rides this gravy train to it derails because id do the same dam thing.

[Hawks28]

Lesnar would kill Kimbo, i'm sure a 100 percent and I would bet my house on it

absolutely. Brock would take him down with ease seconds into the fight, and probably finish him with gnp in under 2 minutes.

[Rock0052]

Dude i wholly agree. BUT Dana`s stance is the UFC is the big leagues and thus NO ONE no matter what the name gets an easy ride. Within 2 losses any fighter can be gone the rotations are that quick. They have loyalty to no fighters whatsoever other than the ones that make them money on a regular basis. I know what i would have done with Lesnar but im not Dana White and i dont see things his way. My point was merely to highlight the way the UFC thinks.

That you did, as what you described is pretty much exactly how the UFC runs things. I have to wonder if that policy is going to come back to haunt them once enough competition springs up and the UFC isn't the only fight game in town, though. Burning bridges is one thing when you're essentially a monopoly and there's no shortage of top fighters willing to sign with you; once a few well-financed rival orgs start tipping the apple cart, it's tougher to continue to get that kind of selection once you've left a sour taste in enough fighters' mouths.

[BlueApollo]

It happens. In the NFL, Reggie Bush and Mike Vick are good examples of dudes with endorsements out the ass before they did anything professionally and made more than guys better than them doing it. For the fight game, they really milked Tyson near the end of his career more on myth than what he was actually capable of. Still love Iron Mike, though.
I personally will give Reggie one, maybe two more years of development before I label him a complete hype creation. Comparing what Vick did in the NFL to where Kimbo is currently in the MMA world is a major reach, even though your general point is well taken.

The UFC is in an interesting position with the need for a "crossover" market. I'm more familiar with boxing, so I'll use our current PPV issues as a reference point. The fights we have marketed to "mainstream" or casual fans in the past five years have, for the most part, paled in comparison to the best fights the sport actually has to offer. Instead of having one million people tune in to Marquez - Vazquez III, we dish up Mayweather - DLH I and II. This is a huge blow to the sport, when fights WE all know won't be compelling are sold as "must see events", yet corporate interests make sure that this remains the status quo.

With it's already steadily growing fan base, an extension of general interest in MMA, the UFC doesn't need to pander to media creations. Isn't it possible that instead of committing some kind of promotional oversight, White used the Lesnar situation to make the point that he wasn't going to sacrifice the quality of his product? When you already have the ability to pack arenas, and numerous deals with TV networks, why pretend that the future of the organization relies on the success of a former WWF wrestler?

I'm not pretending White is some kind of patron saint of MMA, but I like his call on this one. People watching WWE already know that the UFC exists, Lesnar or no Lesnar. Why water down a pretty solid product when it is growing by putting together meaningful matchups? This is one of MMAs huge advantages over boxing in the current market.

[demzor]

Kimbo better hope they dont put him against Rogers... cause he'll get his ass beat.

You could tell by looking at Shaw's face during the presser that he didnt want that fight going down.

[Rock0052]

I personally will give Reggie one, maybe two more years of development before I label him a complete hype creation. Comparing what Vick did in the NFL to where Kimbo is currently in the MMA world is a major reach, even though your general point is well taken.

The UFC is in an interesting position with the need for a "crossover" market. I'm more familiar with boxing, so I'll use our current PPV issues as a reference point. The fights we have marketed to "mainstream" or casual fans in the past five years have, for the most part, paled in comparison to the best fights the sport actually has to offer. Instead of having one million people tune in to Marquez - Vazquez III, we dish up Mayweather - DLH I and II. This is a huge blow to the sport, when fights WE all know won't be compelling are sold as "must see events", yet corporate interests make sure that this remains the status quo.

With it's already steadily growing fan base, an extension of general interest in MMA, the UFC doesn't need to pander to media creations. Isn't it possible that instead of committing some kind of promotional oversight, White used the Lesnar situation to make the point that he wasn't going to sacrifice the quality of his product? When you already have the ability to pack arenas, and numerous deals with TV networks, why pretend that the future of the organization relies on the success of a former WWF wrestler?

I'm not pretending White is some kind of patron saint of MMA, but I like his call on this one. People watching WWE already know that the UFC exists, Lesnar or no Lesnar. Why water down a pretty solid product when it is growing by putting together meaningful matchups? This is one of MMAs huge advantages over boxing in the current market.

That very well could've been White's thought process; but the thought process of that was completely contradicted by putting a fighter making his debut as the headliner. That action alone meant having to hype up Lesnar more than if he just had 2-3 smaller fights, and meant putting him into a bad matchup since the UFC can't really sell Lesnar, in his first fight, vs a nobody as a headlining ppv event.

I looked at Lesnar as basically being a slam dunk for the company- he had legit top level wrestling experience, excellent upside physically, and a built in audience. I don't think there was anything to be lost by featuring him on the undercard of a few shows to get a feel for what he could do at that level. If Mir were Lesnar's 4th or 5th fight instead of his first, I wouldn't be as adament as I am that things were mishandled there.

Of course, I wasn't there with negotiations so maybe that's what Brock wanted and he didn't want a few tune up fights; but I have to think any responsible promoter would've done what he could have to talked him out of that and put Brock in with a Paul Buentello-type opponent on the undercard first. Or, maybe he rubbed Dana the wrong way and this was White's way of giving him the finger :lol:.

Completely agree with you on boxing hyping the wrong fights, as well. That's a mistake I hope gets fixed at least some time in my lifetime.

[scurlaruntings]

That you did, as what you described is pretty much exactly how the UFC runs things. I have to wonder if that policy is going to come back to haunt them once enough competition springs up and the UFC isn't the only fight game in town, though. Burning bridges is one thing when you're essentially a monopoly and there's no shortage of top fighters willing to sign with you; once a few well-financed rival orgs start tipping the apple cart, it's tougher to continue to get that kind of selection once you've left a sour taste in enough fighters' mouths.Thats why the UFC`s divisions were weaker in comparison to PRIDE. Namely the heavyweights. Now that there the top dogs Dana thinks he can do as he pleases. The mans not a fan of MMA his a businessman first and foremost.

[Club Fighter]

Can somebody please explain to me how a 6 foot 4 260 pound behemoth can punch a man repeatedly for no less than one minute straight and fail to break skin? I knew Colossus was a fuckin' British pansy but Jesus H Christ?!?!?! All these people takin' issue with Kimbo ought to be takin' issue with Colossus. He was in a super-dominant position and failed to make Kimbo tap due to strikes. Instead he decided to lovetap him to death. What a fuckin' waste of size!!!

[Beebs]

Dont blame Kimbo. The guys just trying to get paid. Blame Gary Shaw and EliteXC. If they want to get behind and promote the ass out of a internet phenom thats "THEIR" fault NOT Kimbo`s. As iv said time and time again the guys no diffrent to Tank except his resume is extremely weak and his been spoon fed a few bums and old men. He is what he is which is nothing.

Tank actually had 1 hit power, and was a good wrestler for the time and opponents.

[scurlaruntings]

Size is immaterial. If you know how to fight you know how to fight. James doesnt. His a nice guy who looks the part. But his striking is horrible and his ground game is equally as limited. I dont see him ever getting any better.

[scurlaruntings]

Tank actually had 1 hit power, and was a good wrestler for the time and opponents.His wrestling credential for me are questionable. powerwise theres no question. The guy was as strong as an Ox and had lights out power. Kimbo can bang but his not up there Tanks power in his prime. Either way both men were limited crude brawlers.

[billyconn]

It happens. In the NFL, Reggie Bush and Mike Vick are good examples of dudes with endorsements out the ass before they did anything professionally and made more than guys better than them doing it. For the fight game, they really milked Tyson near the end of his career more on myth than what he was actually capable of. Still love Iron Mike, though.


I don't think that the unmerited hype for Kimbo is even approached by those three people. The gulf between the best and those three (even Tyson at the very end, he did KTFO out of Andrew Golota near the end) and the best MMA heavies and Kimbo slice are not even comparable. A better comparison before Kimbo's career is over might be Anna Kournikova.

[Rock0052]

I don't think that the unmerited hype for Kimbo is even approached by those three people. The gulf between the best and those three (even Tyson at the very end, he did KTFO out of Andrew Golota near the end) and the best MMA heavies and Kimbo slice are not even comparable. A better comparison before Kimbo's career is over might be Anna Kournikova.

Yeah, the level of overhypedness between those guys and Kimbo is definitely a league apart- they just happened to be the first 3 people that I thought of that could fit the description, even if not to that extent. Along with Kournikova and Michelle Wie, the Slice hype is in rare company. Hell, even Danica Patrick actually won a race this year. She's still up there too, though.