My Top10 HEAVYWEIGHT!...rankings here

[Asterion]

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1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Sam Peter
3. Ruslan Chagaev
4. Oleg Maskaev
5. Sultan Ibragimov
6. Nikolay Valuev
7. Sergei Liakhovich
8. Lamon Brewster
9. Calvin Brock
10. Chris Byrd

11. John Ruiz
12. Vladimir Virchis
13. Tony Thompson
14. Hasim Rahman
15. Oliver McCall
16. Matt Skelton
17. Eddie Chambers
18. Alexander Dimitrenko
19. Evander Holyfield
20. Luan Krasniqi

21. Michael Sprott
22. Danny Williams
23. Jameel McCline
24. Monte Barrett
25. David Tua
26. Alexander Povetkin
27. Ray Austin
28. Tye Fields
29. Oleg Platov
30. Chris Arreola




Other fringe contenders: Henry Akinwande, Davaryll Williamson, Mike Mollo, Andrew Golota, Corrie Sanders, Joe Mesi, Juan Carlos Gomez, Timo Hoffman.

More prospects: JD Chapman, Chazz Witherspoon, Jean Francois Bergeron, Kevin Johnson, Denis Boytsov, Roman Greenberg, Alonzo Butler, Travis Walker, Donnell Holmes.

*Toney is banned for a year.

*Briggs said he didn't know if he was going to retire, anyway he looked like shit.

[Archie_Moore]

Looks to be a pretty good list. :good

[BoxingGuru]

LMAO at Scam Cheater never beating a legit top 10 guy and being ranked second. He lost the first Toney fight to an old washed up roided fat ass and has never ever ever knocked out a top 10 heavyweight.

[Asterion]

Scam Cheater

:rofl :rofl :rofl

[Heavyrighthand]

I would put Peter below Sergei and Nikolai and move everybody up one (Ruslan is 2 IMHO, Oleg and Sultan are about even).

Peter's win over Toney is his only cred.
SL has a clearer and harder fought win over LB
and NV has way more cred.

That's what I'd change, too. Peter is way too high for merely beating Toney.

Pull Peter back down below Valuev, and bump everyone up one. Then it'd be pretty close to what I would say. :good

I also agree that Chag is #2, and Oleg and Ibrag are a close tie at #3 and 4.

[RUSKULL]

I would put Peter below Sergei and Nikolai and move everybody up one (Ruslan is 2 IMHO, Oleg and Sultan are about even).

Peter's win over Toney is his only cred.
SL has a clearer and harder fought win over LB
and NV has way more cred.

I agree, especially about Peter. He's soooooo over rated here it's not even funny. I think people are basing their ratings on WHAT THEY THINK THE RESULT OF THE MASKAEV VS. PETER WILL BE before it even happens. Even if Peter were to beat Oleg how does that put him above any other beltholder? Based on his latest victory against Toney? The same Toney who barely scrapped by a journeyman in his very next fight?

[RUSKULL]

AND that is with using STEROIDS:rofl

For fucks sake man he could have done them for years.True.

[Cachibatches]

Chag number 2.

Peter has only beaten Tony.

Chag has beaten Virchis, Sprott, Ruiz, and Valuev.

Much better competition.

[deram]

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1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Sam Peter
3. Ruslan Chagaev
4. Oleg Maskaev
5. Sultan Ibragimov
6. Nikolay Valuev
7. Sergei Liakhovich
8. Lamon Brewster
9. Calvin Brock
10. Chris Byrd

11. John Ruiz
12. Vladimir Virchis
13. Tony Thompson
14. Hasim Rahman
15. Oliver McCall
16. Matt Skelton
17. Eddie Chambers
18. Alexander Dimitrenko
19. Evander Holyfield
20. Luan Krasniqi

21. Michael Sprott
22. Danny Williams
23. Jameel McCline
24. Monte Barrett
25. David Tua
26. Alexander Povetkin
27. Ray Austin
28. Tye Fields
29. Oleg Platov
30. Chris Arreola




Other fringe contenders: Henry Akinwande, Davaryll Williamson, Mike Mollo, Andrew Golota, Corrie Sanders, Joe Mesi, Juan Carlos Gomez, Timo Hoffman.

More prospects: JD Chapman, Chazz Witherspoon, Jean Francois Bergeron, Kevin Johnson, Denis Boytsov, Roman Greenberg, Alonzo Butler, Travis Walker, Donnell Holmes.

*Toney is banned for a year.

*Briggs said he didn't know if he was going to retire, anyway he looked like shit.

Solis?

[A-50]

You have to have Dr. Vitali Klitschko in there.

[Asterion]

Solis?


After 2 fights?


You have to have Dr. Vitali Klitschko in there.

Only if he beats McCline. Vk retired more than a year ago.

[PH|LLA]

Solis?
I was gonna say.. even with only 2 fights this guy is solid. I mean i know we try not to judge amateur backgroud in the pros but in his case an exception should be made

[El Bombasto]

I agree, especially about Peter. He's soooooo over rated here it's not even funny. I think people are basing their ratings on WHAT THEY THINK THE RESULT OF THE MASKAEV VS. PETER WILL BE before it even happens. Even if Peter were to beat Oleg how does that put him above any other beltholder? Based on his latest victory against Toney? The same Toney who barely scrapped by a journeyman in his very next fight?

Peter will beat Maskaev, but he's still way overrated.

[Kostya Zoo]

Chag number 2.

Peter has only beaten Tony.

Chag has beaten Virchis, Sprott, Ruiz, and Valuev.

Much better competition.


Good call

[deram]

Maybe too ealry for Solis. Actually it probably is, but one good win more and he must defintely be in top 30. Afterall the division is not that deep.

[codeman99998]

I have no problem with Chagaev or Maskaev as #2 and #3 in whatever order. Ibragimov as #4. Peter as #5 in my view.

He clearly lost to Toney in their first fight and Toney was clearly in much worse shape for their second. Anyways, I wouldn't have rated Toney above 5th before their first fight so how does beating him bring him up to 2nd?

[Marciano Frazier]

That looks like a good list. After a bit of review, I think I'd have it:

1. Wlad Klitschko
2. Ruslan Chagaev
3. Sultan Ibragimov
4. Oleg Maskaev
5. Samuel Peter
6. Nicolai Valuev
7. Calvin Brock
8. Chris Byrd
9. Sergei Lyakhovich
10. Lamon Brewster

11. Shannon Briggs(if he doesn't retire)
12. Oliver McCall
13. Hasim Rahman
14. Eddie Chambers
15. Luan Krasniqi
16. John Ruiz
17. Evander Holyfield
18. Tony Thompson
19. Vladimir Virchis

20. Chris Arreola
21. Oleg Platov
22. Alexander Dimitrenko
23. Alexander Povetkin
24. David Tua
25. Micheal Sprott
26. Matt Skelton
27. Ray Austin
28. Joe Mesi
29. Danny Williams
30. Andrew Golota

[codeman99998]

I very much like your list Frazier, but doesn't Oleg get SOME credit for defending his title once? The other champions (except of course Wladimir who is anyone's #1 if they are credible at all) haven't even defended once. I know Okhello is nothing special, but that is the sole reason I have Oleg #2 or 3.

Not that I even really disagree with your list, I'm just rationalizing.

[Shpion]

That looks like a good list. After a bit of review, I think I'd have it:

1. Wlad Klitschko
2. Ruslan Chagaev
3. Sultan Ibragimov
4. Oleg Maskaev
5. Samuel Peter
6. Nicolai Valuev
7. Calvin Brock
8. Chris Byrd
9. Sergei Lyakhovich
10. Lamon Brewster

11. Shannon Briggs(if he doesn't retire)
12. Oliver McCall
13. Hasim Rahman
14. Eddie Chambers
15. Luan Krasniqi
16. John Ruiz
17. Eddie Chambers
18. Evander Holyfield
19. Tony Thompson
20. Vladimir Virchis

21. Chris Arreola
22. Oleg Platov
23. Alexander Dimitrenko
24. Alexander Povetkin
25. David Tua
26. Micheal Sprott
27. Matt Skelton
28. Ray Austin
29. Joe Mesi
30. Danny Williams


Top 10 is spot on, the other 20 don't matter much anyway.:good

[codeman99998]

:lol:
Honestly as much as i like Oleg i do not think that means anything.

He beat Rahman (a piece of crap fighter which was proven by his shape in the Sykes fight which just made me go are you FUCKIN KIDDING ME HASIM?:-()
and he didn't even beat him convincingly.

It was an even fight throughout like the first 8 rounds.

As far as Okhello. I will put this into perspective regarding that.
On the undercard IMamu Mayfield was fighting Povetkin and getting KOed by him.

Mayfield decisioned Okhello years ago before both turned to crap.
I mean dam if his promoters couldn't even switch those two and btw Oleg went the distance with Okhello while AP KOed Mayfield

what does that tell us about the defense?:verysad

I mean ok its a give me fight that is fine but i don't think he deserves any extra praise for it.

If Ibragimov beats Holy that will mean something cause EH has been on a winning streak with decent comp for his level (Maddalone, Oquendo, and perhaps Savarese).

That deserves SOMETHING.
If Wlad beats Brewster i mean he is 1 on any list anyway so it don't matter.
Yeah, I was just saying. I don't have any real problems not putting Maskaev #4 or #5.

What is the difference between being #1 on every list and being champion? It was a question I posed in an article that was rejected by the site, but it really bothers me. I mean, if you are the favorite in every fight against any other fighter in the world, how is that different from champion?

There are obviously some distinctions to be made. For instance, before Mayweather fought Judah he was probably a vegas favorite over any other fighter at 147, but he obviously didn't do anything for champion status. All of the other "champions" at heavyweight have no defenses (or, in Maskaev's case, only one and against Okhello). They JUST won their belts... I just don't see how the boxing community hasn't already proclaimed Wladimir the, perhaps unofficial, champion of the division.

I try not to play favorites, I really do. After Wlad lost to Sanders and Brewster I wrote him off, as I think many did. Still, the facts don't lie, and in his last 5 fights he has done more than any other Heavyweight in the world. I really don't get it.

[VRMAN]

Why is Chris Bryd in the top 10 when Wlad destroyed him and he hasn't beaten any of the fresh crop of talent in the division? I think Ruiz and Byrd need to be dropped down and Virchis moved to 10 and Dimitrenko needs to come up a few spots too. Although I saw Briggs as a media hype he could still blast out Tye Fields and nearly everyone you have highlighted in yellow. Also, I think Holyfield is too high as well. I would pretty much garantee Timo Hoffman would put Evander out of his misery and he isn't even on the list.

[RUSKULL]

After 2 fights?




Only if he beats McCline. Vk retired more than a year ago.

Both good points :deal

[Asterion]

Beating McCline in impressive fashion will be good for Vk. I'll rank him #4 if he beats him.

1. Wlad
2. Peter/Oleg winner
3. Ruslan
4. Vitali

Then Vitali beats Pter/Oleg winner and become #1 or #2...and both brothers will be holding belts at the same time and at the top of the division.

[Dostoevsky]

Thats alot of eastern europeans.

[Bigcat]

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1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Sam Peter
3. Ruslan Chagaev
4. Oleg Maskaev
5. Sultan Ibragimov
6. Nikolay Valuev
7. Sergei Liakhovich
8. Lamon Brewster
9. Calvin Brock
10. Chris Byrd

11. John Ruiz
12. Vladimir Virchis
13. Tony Thompson
14. Hasim Rahman
15. Oliver McCall
16. Matt Skelton
17. Eddie Chambers
18. Alexander Dimitrenko
19. Evander Holyfield
20. Luan Krasniqi

21. Michael Sprott
22. Danny Williams
23. Jameel McCline
24. Monte Barrett
25. David Tua
26. Alexander Povetkin
27. Ray Austin
28. Tye Fields
29. Oleg Platov
30. Chris Arreola




Other fringe contenders: Henry Akinwande, Davaryll Williamson, Mike Mollo, Andrew Golota, Corrie Sanders, Joe Mesi, Juan Carlos Gomez, Timo Hoffman.

More prospects: JD Chapman, Chazz Witherspoon, Jean Francois Bergeron, Kevin Johnson, Denis Boytsov, Roman Greenberg, Alonzo Butler, Travis Walker, Donnell Holmes.

*Toney is banned for a year.

*Briggs said he didn't know if he was going to retire, anyway he looked like shit.

Good list on the whole..

Byrd maybe a bit lower,

McCall perhaps a bit higher..

All in all good picks.. Samuel is a definite future champ, Good call in placing him at number 2 :good

[PBF P4P #1]

1. Klitschko
2. Klitschko
3. Garbage
4. Garbage
5. Garbage
6. Garbage
7. Holyfield
8. Garbage
9. Garbage
10. Garbage

[codeman99998]

All in all good picks.. Samuel is a definite future champ, Good call in placing him at number 2 :good

You don't get ranked based on what you WILL do.

[FourtyOunce]

all most two years later,,, and now what are your rankings

[FourtyOunce]

LMAO at Scam Cheater never beating a legit top 10 guy and being ranked second. He lost the first Toney fight to an old washed up roided fat ass and has never ever ever knocked out a top 10 heavyweight.


btw..are you dead or something??? lol

[TommyV]

Hopefully.