View Full Version : Who is Povetkin gonna face?
KobeIsGod
06-02-2008, 12:19 AM
any news on his july 19 opponent?
i would expect a krasniqi, skelton, meehan class of opponent.
boy wlad is gonna ruin this guy in november :yep
Cachibatches
06-02-2008, 12:53 AM
On the other forum, Huki, who is Povetkin's biggest fan, named four guys:
It should happen by November of this year, that's what the IBF ruled at least.
Povetkin is fighting a tune-up on July 19th and his team has narrowed it down to four opponents that could punch and are tall, but are old and shot.. Bowe, Golota, Dokiwari, and Grant. He would blow all of them out easily, but it's better than fighting nobody. The top 20 HW's are busy right now and past that, the HW's are all pretty much horrible anyways. He's sparring with McCline and Williamson right now in Russia, which should be better preparation for Wlad than a tune-up fight against someone from that list of four.
Personally, as shot as he is, I would like to see Bowe if they can sign him. He is tall, big puncher, very low risk at this stage of his career, and a semi-great name for the resume, even if it is nothing more than a name.
KobeIsGod
06-02-2008, 01:41 AM
On the other forum, Huki, who is Povetkin's biggest fan, named four guys:
It should happen by November of this year, that's what the IBF ruled at least.
Povetkin is fighting a tune-up on July 19th and his team has narrowed it down to four opponents that could punch and are tall, but are old and shot.. Bowe, Golota, Dokiwari, and Grant. He would blow all of them out easily, but it's better than fighting nobody. The top 20 HW's are busy right now and past that, the HW's are all pretty much horrible anyways. He's sparring with McCline and Williamson right now in Russia, which should be better preparation for Wlad than a tune-up fight against someone from that list of four.
Personally, as shot as he is, I would like to see Bowe if they can sign him. He is tall, big puncher, very low risk at this stage of his career, and a semi-great name for the resume, even if it is nothing more than a name.
thanks. good stuff. Golota to me is the most interesting of those 4. u know there will be some drama. bowe was past his prime 12 years ago and grant make's wlad's chin look like granite. never heard of the other guy. golota can still punch a little.
i like povetkin. nice style. good at everything but not excellent. will be a factor in the div. for a long time. he's in my top 5 but the biggest ? i have relates to his punch resistance. donald, byrd, and chambers aren't what i call punchers. so when he finally takes a power shot from a monster puncher, i dont think he'll handle it well. i am really interested to see how he reacts. will he retreat or keep coming forward? his swelling might be a huge problem especially if u factor in wlad's jab.
i just think wlad is a nightmare stylistically for povetkin. wlad has trouble with aggressive power punchers with good chins. povetkin is aggressive but he lacks pop and i question his chin at this point. he will be walking into jabs and power punches just like peter and brewster. i haven't seen the head movement that makes me think he can avoid wlad's punches. his workrate will be neutralized by wlad's control of distance and long jab. povetkin has to get inside to have any chance and wlad is much stronger in the clinch. the only way povetkin can get inside is if wlad gasses.
and i doubt wlad will just collapse out of shock and fear from povetkin's will and nationalistic pride like huki and cardstars suggest :yep
Cachibatches
06-02-2008, 01:58 AM
thanks. good stuff. Golota to me is the most interesting of those 4. u know there will be some drama. bowe was past his prime 12 years ago and grant make's wlad's chin look like granite. never heard of the other guy. golota can still punch a little.
i like povetkin. nice style. good at everything but not excellent. will be a factor in the div. for a long time. he's in my top 5 but the biggest ? i have relates to his punch resistance. donald, byrd, and chambers aren't what i call punchers. so when he finally takes a power shot from a monster puncher, i dont think he'll handle it well. i am really interested to see how he reacts. will he retreat or keep coming forward? his swelling might be a huge problem especially if u factor in wlad's jab.
i just think wlad is a nightmare stylistically for povetkin. wlad has trouble with aggressive power punchers with good chins. povetkin is aggressive but he lacks pop and i question his chin at this point. he will be walking into jabs and power punches just like peter and brewster. i haven't seen the head movement that makes me think he can avoid wlad's punches. his workrate will be neutralized by wlad's control of distance and long jab. povetkin has to get inside to have any chance and wlad is much stronger in the clinch. the only way povetkin can get inside is if wlad gasses.
and i doubt wlad will just collapse out of shock and fear from povetkin's will and nationalistic pride like huki and cardstars suggest :yep
A few points:
1) Povetkin's chin may not have had a big test, but it has been tested in very succesful amatuer and kickboxing careers. Also, as a pro, Friday Ahunya is not a bad puncher. So no, it has not had the big test, but I think it is safe to say that Povetikin has at least a good chin.
The way I see it, kick boxers usually have good beards. Don't know whether its because of the powerful shock absorbing legs, or because they are used to get kicked in the jaw, but I am thinking of Troy Dorsey, James Warring, and Vitaly Klitscko specifically.
In any event, a chin is the most uncoachable thing in boxing- most go far as to say you either got it or you don't. So what is the difference? Either Wladdy takes his head off or he doesn't.
2) Wladdy also has has stamina problems. I know he has solved these by pacing, but I am thinking he will have to step it up or be in danger of being outpointed by Alex, who throws 70 punches a round til the end. If he does this, then Povetkin has a real chace or tiring him, especially with those quality body shots.
Just a couple of thoughts.
Styles make fights. Most people on here seem to have only seen Povetkin vs Byrd (6'0") and Povetkin vs Chambers (6'1"). Both are hard to hit and are awkward to fight against. Most impotantly they are both smaller than Povetkin. Povetkin's biggest punch is the overhand right which is most effective against taller opponents. He showed that for instance in his fight vs Bostice and L'Heureux. Both are 6'5" and in both fights he slipped a jab and hammered in his overhand right which led to the stoppage wins. Of course Bostice and L'Heureux are not on Klitschko's level, however the principle stays the same: slip the jab, follow with the overhand right.
The way Klitschko fights is a bit like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. When you let Klitschko do his thing he looks almost unbeatable, behind his long jab and his big right hand. However as soon as he gets hit properly it looks like he panics, he loses his composure right away. His aura of invinciblity vanishes almost instantly and at once he looks very beatable. What Povetkin should try to do early on is slip several jabs and whack in the overhand right. If Povetkin succeeds at this, his high workrate and constant pressure can keep Klitschko on the back foot where he is least dangerous and basicly not looking so good. Imo Povetkin has the tools to beat Klitschko, I give him the edge over Klitschko in workrate, stamina and in the mental department. He is the fresher and hungrier fighter who has a good chance of pulling an upset.
The ideal opponent for his july the 19th fight is Dimitrenko, who is 6'7" and works of the jab like Klitschko. But he his protected better than the crwnjewels and will not share the ring with Povetkin. Other options are Briggs, Golota, Meehan, Lyakhovich or maybe even Akinwande.
shawn1262231
06-02-2008, 02:13 PM
I'd like to see him against Bowe or Golota.
shavers
06-02-2008, 02:51 PM
Wlad is gonna slap his arms till they are blue then he will work on his face and take him out cold...
The way Klitschko fights is a bit like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. When you let Klitschko do his thing he looks almost unbeatable, behind his long jab and his big right hand. However as soon as he gets hit properly it looks like he panics, he loses his composure right away. His aura of invinciblity vanishes almost instantly and at once he looks very beatable.
You're basing that on one fight five years ago, the Sanders fight. Even Brewster I (four years ago) doesn't really apply here because Brewster only got to Wlad when he was exhausted because he had punched himself out. Wald hasn't shown any of that in recent years especially in his most challenging fight against Sam Peter he kept his composure very well. Of course the way to beat a guy is to hit him :yep, but relying upon the hope that Wlad falls apart once he gets hit is pure stupidity, Povetkin better comes up with a better strategy. Additionally, Povetkin doesn't really have that kind of power that could impress Wlad with one punch. Wlad gets rarely hit nowadays for a reason... I mean Wald's style is nothing mysterious, it's really simple if you will, and the styles that might negates his style are known but actually going in there an doing it is a different cup of tea.
Ricky_Harvey
06-02-2008, 04:22 PM
i could see povetkin beatin wlad or atleast havin a great chance of doin so, with a few more fights and experience.. wayy too soon in my books
bumdujour
06-02-2008, 04:56 PM
dokiwari is the cheapest of the mentioned...........so my guess is him.
BigEars
06-02-2008, 07:01 PM
You're basing that on one fight five years ago, the Sanders fight. Even Brewster I (four years ago) doesn't really apply here because Brewster only got to Wlad when he was exhausted because he had punched himself out. Wald hasn't shown any of that in recent years especially in his most challenging fight against Sam Peter he kept his composure very well. Of course the way to beat a guy is to hit him :yep, but relying upon the hope that Wlad falls apart once he gets hit is pure stupidity, Povetkin better comes up with a better strategy. Additionally, Povetkin doesn't really have that kind of power that could impress Wlad with one punch. Wlad gets rarely hit nowadays for a reason... I mean Wald's style is nothing mysterious, it's really simple if you will, and the styles that might negates his style are known but actually going in there an doing it is a different cup of tea.
I dunno about Wlad keeping his composure against Peter , two of the knockdowns were from glancing blows when Wlad seemed to panic .
I think if Povetkin can catch Wlad on the chin he has a good chance at taking him out , but catching Wlad on the chin is a hell of a lot easier said than done .
Bigcat
06-02-2008, 07:44 PM
I doubt they will go for Duncan , his name is not as recognised as of late as some of the others, i say they will end up going for a Golota fight , but it may take throwing some cash at him.. Dokiwari won't take a Povetkin fight just like that, he needs to be more active and refreshed to sensibly agree to Povetkin.
CANNONBALL
06-02-2008, 08:10 PM
to fight bowe would be a disgrace. did nobody see his last fight against billy zumbrun???
Alcaldemb
06-03-2008, 12:24 AM
On the other forum, Huki, who is Povetkin's biggest fan, named four guys:
It should happen by November of this year, that's what the IBF ruled at least.
Povetkin is fighting a tune-up on July 19th and his team has narrowed it down to four opponents that could punch and are tall, but are old and shot.. Bowe, Golota, Dokiwari, and Grant. He would blow all of them out easily, but it's better than fighting nobody. The top 20 HW's are busy right now and past that, the HW's are all pretty much horrible anyways. He's sparring with McCline and Williamson right now in Russia, which should be better preparation for Wlad than a tune-up fight against someone from that list of four.
Personally, as shot as he is, I would like to see Bowe if they can sign him. He is tall, big puncher, very low risk at this stage of his career, and a semi-great name for the resume, even if it is nothing more than a name.
That was mentioned on Fightnews. Other names that have been floated are Briggs and Golota.
Mendoza
06-03-2008, 07:08 AM
any news on his july 19 opponent?
i would expect a krasniqi, skelton, meehan class of opponent.
boy wlad is gonna ruin this guy in november :yep
Someone who has little chance of winning. Krasniqi is a faded fighter with a name. I think he's a good choice.
there was only one knockdown in the peter fight that was when vlad was getting away from him got caught and fell (the last one) the other two were rabbit punches that were throw downs more or less. it seems that Vlad gets tackled alot because fighters get frustrated with him. I also didn't see Vlad get tired in that fight Peter pressured him all night kept him moving and fighting in reverse. Peter really did a good job and he is a dangerous fighter. like a bigger joe Frazier if he could keep up that pace that his his best style. Not too may people could keep him off of them for 12 rounds.
andyZOR
06-03-2008, 09:13 PM
to fight bowe would be a disgrace. did nobody see his last fight against billy zumbrun???
That Zumbrun fight was like 3 years ago. I can't belive that guy is actually considered an opponent.
KobeIsGod
06-05-2008, 01:06 AM
I dunno about Wlad keeping his composure against Peter , two of the knockdowns were from glancing blows when Wlad seemed to panic .
I think if Povetkin can catch Wlad on the chin he has a good chance at taking him out , but catching Wlad on the chin is a hell of a lot easier said than done .
two of the kds were the direct result of illegal rabbit punches. there was 1 legit kd in round 10.
Povetkin is gonna need to land more than 1 punch on wlad's chin to win. He doensn't have the power to score a ko with 1 or 2 punches. he has to hope wlad gasses and take advantage late. to do that, povetkin will have to take a terrible beating because he attacks in a straight line and is quite hittable. wlad is too good defensively right now for povetkin to be successful early. he must be close to score and wlad will keep him at distance for a while. Peter took huge bombs early, then was able to get in late in the fight.
KobeIsGod
06-05-2008, 01:14 AM
A few points:
1) Povetkin's chin may not have had a big test, but it has been tested in very succesful amatuer and kickboxing careers. Also, as a pro, Friday Ahunya is not a bad puncher. So no, it has not had the big test, but I think it is safe to say that Povetikin has at least a good chin.
The way I see it, kick boxers usually have good beards. Don't know whether its because of the powerful shock absorbing legs, or because they are used to get kicked in the jaw, but I am thinking of Troy Dorsey, James Warring, and Vitaly Klitscko specifically.
In any event, a chin is the most uncoachable thing in boxing- most go far as to say you either got it or you don't. So what is the difference? Either Wladdy takes his head off or he doesn't.
2) Wladdy also has has stamina problems. I know he has solved these by pacing, but I am thinking he will have to step it up or be in danger of being outpointed by Alex, who throws 70 punches a round til the end. If he does this, then Povetkin has a real chace or tiring him, especially with those quality body shots.
Just a couple of thoughts.
in response to your pts.
1) I just need to see povetkin take big shots from a puncher to convince me. and trust me, he will take some massive shots from wlad who is boxing's best puncher when he commits. so we will find out about his chin
2) I really think it's more than pacing. uncle manny said wlad does far more sparring nowadays than with his old trainer. he trains by sparring when tired too. his stamina is very good for a hw right now. over 500+ puncher against peter, averaged 72 punches per round against brewster in the rematch.
...and povetkin will not throw 70 punches per round against wlad especially early. he'll be lucky to be around 35. wlad has excellent footwork for a big man, uses his left hand extended to maintain distance and has that killer jab which will deter povetkin from coming forward. povetkin has never fought anybody close to wlad's level.
now if povetkin proves to have an iron chin, it could become a great fight like wlad-peter but id prefer an early blowout :deal
Artani
06-05-2008, 01:53 PM
I would like to see with my comepatriot Luan Krasniqi. It will be very interesting fight.
Kampioni
06-05-2008, 07:21 PM
I'm pretty sure it will be Krasniqi !
jamel
06-11-2008, 05:11 PM
I have heard that Aldo Colliander is also on the shortlist of potential opponents for his upcoming fight !!!!!
jamel
06-11-2008, 05:17 PM
Actually just read another more recent article that Taurus Sykes has been named by a Russian News agency as the one that Povetkin will be fighting July 19th
Artani
06-11-2008, 06:46 PM
Aldo Colliander good opponent for him. He is height and need to improve to fight height boxers because in the end of year he will fight winner of Wlad vs Thompson.
Langford
06-11-2008, 07:00 PM
Taurus Sykes now mentioned on Boxrec.
I remember the Peters vs. Sykes fight was fairly notable when it happened. I think Povetkin will win by TKO. I am only hoping for some good Sykes quotes.
"he will hit me and I will say "who through the ping pong ball" and such.
Alcaldemb
06-11-2008, 08:03 PM
Kobe, Povetkin has better one punch power than you give him credit for. Does he have power like Klitschko or Virchis? No, but he has a 74% KO percentage, and has done that against excellent opposition. He can hurt anyone with just one punch, while that doesn't mean he can KO them with one shot it does mean he can put them into position to be KO'd by landing one shot.
FROST
06-12-2008, 04:48 AM
Looks like he's gonna face Taurus Sykes now.
Bad choice, this is just a keep busy fight to build up confidence, but it won't prepare him for Wlad.
Firstly, Taurus is not a big HW, and secondly, he's not very good. He's a journeyman at this point. Team Povetkin are taking no risks here. Definately a step back from Byrd, Chambers and Donald.
What's more, Byrd, Chambers and Donald are all small HWs (ok, Donald is medium-sized), they're no preparation for Wlad. He should have fought a big, tall HW like Audley Harrison, Akinwande or Timo Hoffmann as preparation for Wlad.
Alcaldemb
06-12-2008, 10:27 AM
Aldo would have been a terrible opponent. Krasniqi, at 6'4" and 235 would have actually been a decent opponent who Povetkin would most likely have blasted out. Golota, at 6'4" and 240-245 would have been ideal as he has a decent punch and durability.
Sykes is a huge let down.
I would be great for the heavyweight division if he would face Peter
but i fear Peter and Povetkin have other plans.
Sauerland won't risk the Klitschko fight and Peter wants an easy Opponent
I think Povetkin should face a strong opponent like
-Haye
-Peter
-Ibragimov
-Maskaev
-Brewster
to build up a big fight with Klitschko in the fall
if Povetkin beat's Sykes it's meanless like Peter - Harrison.
Povetkin vs Maskaev or Povetkin vs Ibragimov in Moscau would be great
I agree that the Sykes fight will not help Povetkin to prepare for Wladimir. It is just a keep busy fight. Nothing common betweeen Sykes and Wladimir.
I think that major problem for Povetkin is his lack of power. He throws combinations. He is very good in that but he does not possess a strong one punch.
kostya by ko
06-17-2008, 10:28 AM
if Povetkin beat's Sykes it's meanless like Peter - Harrison.
Is this fight actually in the works or just a remote possibility ?
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