View Full Version : Serious Kimbo question...
dwilson
06-02-2008, 12:03 PM
All I have seen of Kimbo are his god awful youtube back yard fights and a couple of appearances inside a cage. These clips make him look like a real monster and a dangerous MMA fighter but I really doubt this is the case. I mean sure if he was waiting in the super market car park wanting to rape me I would be scared but I can not see him causing any true decent MMA star much problems. So is he a potential MMA great or just a circus attraction that will be milked by his promoters putting him in with random jokes like Thompson? How would he fare in UFC against a rated heavy?
Thanks.
Rattler
06-02-2008, 12:07 PM
No. He'll always be a guy who is carefully managed. Once his hype is gone, he has nothing. Any legit HW would know to let him punch himself out and then destroy him.
There has been some improvement on Slice's part: improved cardio, ground game,etc.
But at 34, just gettting started basically in the sport....I really don't think that Kimbo is going to be able to improve at a rate where he is going to be ready for anyone of note in MMA for at least a couple of years or more.
My thinking is that he isn't going to progress to much more than a dangerous standup guy who is a "smaller" heavyweight.
BewareofDawg
06-02-2008, 12:23 PM
Thompson had him down helpless and pounding him repeatedly in the head. If he faces any top 10 Heavy he would be quickly finished. Nogueira would take him down and submit him, Fedor would take him down and smash the shit out of his face...and then submit him, Arlovski would KO him standing...etc etc etc
scurlaruntings
06-02-2008, 12:27 PM
Kimbo`s not stupid he knows this. I dont understand what people are so surprised about.
Thompson had him down helpless and pounding him repeatedly in the head. If he faces any top 10 Heavy he would be quickly finished. Nogueira would take him down and submit him, Fedor would take him down and smash the shit out of his face...and then submit him, Arlovski would KO him standing...etc etc etc
I agree with everything except the last. Arlovski might KO him standing OR he might BE KO'd standing with Kimbo. Arlovski doesn't have the best beard himself....his best bet would be to put Slice on the ground.
billyconn
06-02-2008, 12:43 PM
Kimbo`s not stupid he knows this. I dont understand what people are so surprised about.
he's grinning all the way to the bank.....:yep
dwilson
06-02-2008, 12:52 PM
How about Kimbo vs Brock Lesner?
BewareofDawg
06-02-2008, 01:23 PM
I agree with everything except the last. Arlovski might KO him standing OR he might BE KO'd standing with Kimbo. Arlovski doesn't have the best beard himself....his best bet would be to put Slice on the ground.
Ok you're right, he would be safer on the ground with him. But I think Kimbo's striking will be badly exposed once he faces a top striker. Arlovski, while his chin may not be the strongest, is levels above Kimbo in striking. :deal
MrMagic
06-02-2008, 02:22 PM
How about Kimbo vs Brock Lesner?
Brock takes him down in an instant.. Too much strength and weight, Kimbo has no ground skills either, I'm willing to bet a Brock stoppage here.
How about Kimbo vs Brock Lesner?
There's no doubt in my mind that Brock Lesnar would brutalize Kimbo. Thompson has shit for wrestling, and managed to take Kimbo down and control him. Lesnar would shoot a double leg, hammer Kimbo into the cage, and use his superior strength to pummell him. He was taking it to Frank Mir and would have stopped the fight, had he not been facing a world-class Jits fighter. Kimbo is no Frank Mir. He doesn't know a toe hold from triple toe loop.
Coast
06-04-2008, 09:28 PM
Kimbo`s not stupid he knows this. I dont understand what people are so surprised about.
Because the media is portraying him as the Mike Tyson of MMA. He's been featured in all of the most respected papers in the country, been on the cover of ESPN magazine as well as having his own documentary. He headlined the most watched MMA fight in MMA history. Many misinformed people in the US think he's a great fighter.
Maybe if a barefisted fighting traveler with a 3-0 boxing record was worsipped by the British print and digital press you'd understand.
dwilson
06-05-2008, 06:02 AM
Because the media is portraying him as the Mike Tyson of MMA. He's been featured in all of the most respected papers in the country, been on the cover of ESPN magazine as well as having his own documentary. He headlined the most watched MMA fight in MMA history. Many misinformed people in the US think he's a great fighter.
Maybe if a barefisted fighting traveler with a 3-0 boxing record was worsipped by the British print and digital press you'd understand.
Yep he even came up as the top news item on a news homepage I look at. Fucking stupid.
AnthonyJ74
06-05-2008, 12:25 PM
It's insane how much attention Kimbo has been getting. The cover of Sports Illustrated, write-ups in just about ever major fight magazine, appearing at the Country Music Awards Show, e.t.c. Totally unbelievable and undeserved.
I'm only a very casual MMA observer, as boxing is my sport, but I can't believe a guy like Kimbo walks in off the street and from day one is basically a star. How well known was Kimbo prior to his fight with Mercer? I mean, were his Youtube fights a sensation with people across America and the world; were people talking about this Kimbo Slice for years, months, e.t.c.? I'm trying to gauge how his popularity becamse so entrenched that he could walk into MMA and be a star like that. I recall running across a few of his Youtube videos well before he entered MMA, but I don't remember anybody ever talking about this guy. I'm just trying to get a perspective on Kimbo and how he got so famous so fast......
Anybody?
El Matador
06-05-2008, 06:33 PM
No. He'll always be a guy who is carefully managed.
We all thought he was being carefully managed with the chinny James Thompson, but he almost lost (Thompson had him up against the cage, with the crucifix position, but wasn't letting the fists fly! WTF is wrong with this guy!).
Ferguson ended up winning, but I see him losing the first time he steps in with a top-10 Heavyweight. Any one of them. Even Brock Lesnar!:yep
Punisher33
06-05-2008, 08:18 PM
Kimbo might just be the most known active MMA fighter in the United States, the guy's fighting style and looks helps his popularity greatly, as well as his legend status on youtube.
I'm not that big of a fan of the MMA, but I find Kimbo extremely exciting to watch and for most of the younger crowd, he seems to have taken on the Mike Tyson aura of this generation of teens.
Boinko
06-05-2008, 08:58 PM
It's insane how much attention Kimbo has been getting. The cover of Sports Illustrated, write-ups in just about ever major fight magazine, appearing at the Country Music Awards Show, e.t.c. Totally unbelievable and undeserved.
Which is exactly why there is a Kimbo backflash among serious MMA fans. We know he isn't an elite fighter in the sport, but all the hype can easily make it appear to the casual fan that he is. It's unfortunate that he ends up on the cover of SI when there are so many more deserving fighters who could have been there instead.
Which is exactly why there is a Kimbo backflash among serious MMA fans. We know he isn't an elite fighter in the sport, but all the hype can easily make it appear to the casual fan that he is. It's unfortunate that he ends up on the cover of SI when there are so many more deserving fighters who could have been there instead.
Exactly. At least Mike Tyson would back up all his hype. Clearly, he wasn't "unstoppable" as Buster Douglas proved in Tokoyo, but he plowed through some pretty solid competition. Casual fans think of Kimbo as this great MMA beast, but he can't even get through James Thompson. And yes, most of the problem here rests with Gary Shaw.
rekcutnevets
06-06-2008, 12:15 AM
What's backflash? Are you jealous of his lats? Kidding, I make plenty of typos myself.
Kimbo is easy to market. A back yard/boat yard brawler with his appearance is not hard to sale. He also comes across as a nice guy with a good work ethic.
I'm actually surprised he is on the same level as someone with over 20 fights. James Thompson does have a winning record.
Boinko
06-06-2008, 01:47 AM
What's backflash? Are you jealous of his lats? Kidding, I make plenty of typos myself.
Heh, didn't notice that.
Kimbo is easy to market. A back yard/boat yard brawler with his appearance is not hard to sale. He also comes across as a nice guy with a good work ethic.
I'm actually surprised he is on the same level as someone with over 20 fights. James Thompson does have a winning record.
I don't have anything against Kimbo, and I respect his efforts to become a legitimate MMA fighter. Hec, I was entertained watching his fight against Thompson.
It's just unfortunate that some casual fans see him as the face of MMA, when he doesn't deserve to be the poster boy for the sport.
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