Serious Frank ****** discussion (mods don't delete this)

[TFFP]

Keep it clean and constructive fellas, Frank's army of Internet lawyers are checking this over as we speak

Does Frank really deserve the criticism he gets, considering his recent body of work? Let's take a look at the evidence;

Positives:
- Calzaghe vs. Lacy. Frank gets a fight that finally gets Calzaghe *some* recognition in America
- Calzaghe vs. Kessler. Frank puts on the biggest fight in the supermiddle division bar none, a unification fight with feared contender
- Calzaghe vs. Hopkins. Frank finally puts an end to the homeboy jibes, and takes his fighter to America to fight 'the man' at LHW and an ATG
- Skelton vs. Chagaev. Let's be honest here, we wouldn't even expect a 35 year old kickboxer to become an area champion, nevermind getting a world title shot. Wasn't even deserved, but Frank gave Britain its best chance to win a heavyweight title since Lewis
- Rees vs. M'baye. Frank saw the opportunity to pick up a title against a terrible beltholder, and wisely took it. Rees is rubbish. He's destined to be a journeyman really, and probably not even at 140lbs, but he somehow became a world champion. That will be the crowning glory of Rees's career
- Maccarinelli vs. Haye. For all the talk of Macca ducking Haye, several forumites were left red-faced when this unexpectedly came off. Frank gets constantly shat on, its shame people aren't equally vocal in their praise. It was 50/50 at very best for the most optimistic Macca fans, more like 80/20 in favour of Haye for knowledgable fans. Frank could have let Haye ride off into the HW sunset, but he didn't. Good all-round card at the o2
- Lockett vs. Pavlik. Gary Lockett is a C level journeyman in world terms, not even the best middleweight in Britain. His mother won't even realise he's gone. A complete no lose situation for British boxing

Negatives:
- Manfredo and Bika. Crappy fights, but in hindsight Bika proved to be good sparring for Hopkins. No excuses for Mandy, but jesus you can't have superfights every time, and when you consider Calzaghe's other fights he's done ok overall
- Amir 'I havn't faced a puncher since Craig Watson made me do the chicken dance' Khan. Hasn't faced a puncher yet, which is only hindering Khan. The overall matchmaking hasn't been awful, Ecclair and Danish Pastry were actually half decent. But he needs to face a puncher, and shot ass Gomez is a step in the wrong direction
- Mitchell. Finally has a meaningful fight for the British title, and now he's bound to be facing another can on a weeks notice to add to the 20 others. Being undermatched badly

Conclusion - Overall, Frank has done a good job in recent years

So cuntish articles in The Sun aside, has Frank actually done a bad job by British boxing in recent years, when you look at the cold hard evidence?

[SleazeNation]

He's given British boxing about 90% of our biggest fights for the last 15 years, you have to respect that.

However, those big fights are about 0.1% of the fights he makes. He gets them eventually, but with ****** you have to wait a long time in between. So a lot of his fighters miss their chance.

[TFFP]

He's given British boxing about 90% of our biggest fights for the last 15 years, you have to respect that.

However, those big fights are about 0.1% of the fights he makes. He gets them eventually, but with ****** you have to wait a long time in between. So a lot of his fighters miss their chance.
I'm talking in the last few years, I'm quite aware he's not always been a saint. With his marquee names, he has done a good job recently, that is the issue I have with the haters

The rest he just matches to their own level. He can hardly put Bradley Pryce in with De La Hoya

[brown bomber]

I think his cards are poorly constructed and he does nothing to give his fighters any personality meaning that basically aside from the main event his cards are borefests.

His matchmaking is all aimed towards that BIG fight round the corner and tbh he has no interest in domestic boxing whatsoever- seldom does he promote British title fights as anything other then support bouts for WBU/WBO title fights.

He has done a lot for British boxing by default more then anything and no more then anyone else with his resources would have done. I don't dislike him personally he comes across as a pretty nice guy but I feel his promotional outfit is gearned towards making money as opposed to increasing boxings popularity as a sport. Which form a business POV is 100% correct, from a fans POV it sucks.

[Strike]

Yes he deserves every bit of criticism he gets.
He has made some big fights, but only once he has milked as much money out of a cash cow as possible. Hatton made him a fortune and was close to the number of fights DLH had had by the time he fought Tsyzu.

Calzaghe as a long reigning champ and clearly one of the most talented fighters in the world was fed NO HOPERS like Pudwill and finally got the big fights as he approached the end of his career.

Now lets look at how he uses a national newspaper column like a spiteful teenage girl, slagging off and belittling anyone who dares to not sign with him or who chose to leave him.
Lets look at how he manipulates situations to try and mess up another fighters prep, like he did with Haye before the Macca fight and then expects Haye to work with him again.

He is underhanded and worse still he is a coward who cannot even take criticism on the chin and answer accusations. He bullies small web forums with threats of legal action if someone says anything bad about him.
I have posted, constructive criticism on his site and surprise surprise the post never makes it up, I have politely asked questions regarding the wisdom behind a certain piece of match making etc and surprise surprise it never makes it up.

He is like a tin pot dictator who bans any negative comment and releases self congratulatory statements and news wires.

I have no real issue with Khans opposition, the kid is young, but every fighter he has is overprotected and milked. He only let Macca face Haye because he got tricked by Haye and genuinely thought Macca would smash a weight drained fighter.

The likes of Bobby Gunn are not poor match ups, they are scandalous. Fighters like Sellers suddenly appear in top 10 rankings without having a fight, and then are so unfit for the contest that the fight is vetoed by the BBBC.

A bully, a hypocrite, a self serving individual who spits his dummy out if anyone does not kiss his feet and someone who has been involved in some fairly dodgy scenarios too.

Need I go on?

[TFFP]

Ok, I'm getting the feeling I'm on my own here

Feel free to prosecute these bastards Frank :twisted:

[Strike]

I don't dislike him personally he comes across as a pretty nice guy

Couldn't disagree more. He is the epitome of a snake and a reacts like a petulant child in the face of any criticism. Moreover using a national column to snipe and sneer at the misfortune of another fighter or to deride the achievements of a fighter, based solely on said person not agreeing to make you even more money by signing to Sports Network...

Well it is sickening.

[Cobbler]

Calzaghe as a long reigning champ and clearly one of the most talented fighters in the world was fed NO HOPERS like Pudwill

Don't you think it weakens your argument when you use examples like this when you know full well that Pudwill wasn't a planned fight at all, but a late replacement?

If you feel the argument is there to be made, then make it using legitimate, intellectually honest examples.

[Strike]

Don't you think it weakens your argument when you use examples like this when you know full well that Pudwill wasn't a planned fight at all, but a late replacement?

If you feel the argument is there to be made, then make it using legitimate, intellectually honest examples.

No. If Hopkins had pulled out and Eric Crumble was available should the fight have gone ahead or been postponed?

Evans Ashira, Mger Mktichiran, Jiminez, Bobby Gunn, Sellers, Azzouri...

All guys Frank has thought fine opponents for his world champions.

[Strike]

Here you go, lets end this thread with a link to Franks latest bit of objective journalism...

[Only registered and activated users can see links]******.tv/drill/News/Articles/2008/06/03/text-frankly-speaking-latest-column.html?30,32,03,11,03,2008

[rumour24tiger]

He makes lots of money for his fighters but I don't know how much he helps their personal potential. I think he puts on a lot of fights that are mismatches, has a lot of success due to the sanctioning bodies that perhaps should have been regulated more closely over here. I don't think he does much for the current, younger generation of fight fans who seem pissed off & impatient with boxing.

I just think British boxing needs guys like Hennessy, Hatton and Haye (and other promoters) to create a more competitive British boxing market in which fights from different stables are actually matched against each other.

[GazOC]

I take the pragmatic view that if it wasn't ****** then it would just be someone else. British boxing is small enough at the top level that an effective monopoly can be enforced by one man/ one company.

[scurlaruntings]

It doesnt in the slightest. As bearing in mind the amount of fights that Joe pulled out of as well as the clashes that were mooted signed or just not delivered he was percieved by boxing promoters as a fighter that cried wolf and wasnt worth the agro. Hence why Lacy asked for an advanced before he came to Wales. I mean lets be real Pudwill was a replacement for Thomas Tate. Tate didnt pull out he RETIRED!

[Cobbler]

I mean lets be real Pudwill was a replacement for Thomas Tate. Tate didnt pull out he RETIRED!

Tate pulled out of the fight which Pudwill replaced him in with a burst eardrum. Another fight was then arranged, but Tate decided to retire instead.

[robpalmer135]

to many fights agaisnt poor oppo, it took 9 years to get Calzaghe a unification and 11 to get him to the states. thats pathetic in my opinion.

[TFFP]

to many fights agaisnt poor oppo, it took 9 years to get Calzaghe a unification and 11 to get him to the states. thats pathetic in my opinion.
Notice how I said in the last few years?

Meaning, I'd like to talk about what Frank ****** has done for British boxing in the last few years. Quite simply really

[Strike]

Tate pulled out of the fight which Pudwill replaced him in with a burst eardrum. Another fight was then arranged, but Tate decided to retire instead.

So what? Tate was fairly chinny and past his best anyway. But when he did pull out, there is no excuse for accepting Pudwill.

But seeing as you are Franks defence lawyer, explain Bobby Gunn and Sellers for me.

[Beeston Brawler]

Some very objective journalism from Frank.

The only comment I agree on is that regarding Matthew Hatton - the rest is total bollocks.

The column is now only used to spit venom in the direction of Messrs Hatton and Haye, and to bum Calzaghe!

[scurlaruntings]

Tate pulled out of the fight which Pudwill replaced him in with a burst eardrum. Another fight was then arranged, but Tate decided to retire instead.And? Tate was on the verge of retirement when he fought Sven. He only took the bout because it was a world title shot and a payday. Tate may have given Joe name recognition in the states but lets be real he was a safe opponent who was well past his sell by date.

[Strike]

And? Tate was on the verge of retirement when he fought Sven. He only took the bout because it was a world title shot and a payday. Tate may have given Joe name recognition in the states but lets be real he was a safe opponent who was well past his sell by date.

Bingo.

[Max Molyneux]

Calzaghe fought Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins all within a short time with Frank, Hatton after Tszyu took 2 years to fight one decent fighter and got whooped promoting himself.

I think he played a part In Sentanta's deal showing Top Rank fights exculsively In the UK too.

Got Rees, Skelton, Mac, Arthur, Williams and Lockett title shots, the majority of them won a title and one gave a great effort.

No one would of talked about Hatton much without his matchmaking that seasoned Hatton Into a world level fighter too.

Only negatives Is once there world champ he still does matchmaking that they no longer should need and doesn't take well to criticism.

[scurlaruntings]

Franks never liked criticism. But the facts remain his a small fish in a massive pond on the world scene. All his name fighters have at some stage been wrapped in cotton wool. Yes his got them world title shots but invariably its always of the WBO variety and we know how much WBO mandatorys are worth.

[Max Molyneux]

A small fish who twice out bidded DLH In purse bid fights, co promoted Calzaghe Vs Hopkins, has produced more title fights In Britain than most of Europe and sells out 50,000 seat staduims.

He ain't Don King or Arum but he ain't a small fish.

[Strike]

Calzaghe fought Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins all within a short time with Frank, Hatton after Tszyu took 2 years to fight one decent fighter and got whooped promoting himself.



:rofl :patsch :roll:

Yeah he got whopped by the best P4P fighter in the world and an ATG because he "promoted himself".:lol: :nut Of course if he had stuck with ****** he would have beaten a guy 20 times more skilled than him.:-(

And drop the crap. He FORCED ******s hand with Tsyzu. Frank would have been happy to spend another 3 years fighting Mike Stewarts and then signed off with the big fight.
And "one decent fighter" is pathetic. Collazo was a world champion at a higher weight and is clearly a decent fighter, Castillo may be past his best but he was not a losing run, and he has won since, he was also a more than "decent fighter".

It is like ****** is your fucking dad the way you twist facts and protect him. To have the nerve to dismiss anyone Hatton has fought since Tszyu as not even worthy of being called "decent" and to then downgrade one of the most gifted fighters to ever put on gloves (PBF) to being one "decent fighter" purely because you want to paint Hattons loss as being far worse than it was...

Is frankly (how apt) pathetic.

[David UK]

Bear in mind that ****** has a very nasty habit of announcing and selling tickets for fights that haven't actually been signed. The result are a countless number of shows that bear little resemblance to the originally advertise bill. I stopped going to ****** shows 20 years ago because of this, and it still happens today!!

[mike464]

He's only good for his fighters in terms of making them money with little risk of losing. Winning WBU/WBO titles etc and defending them countless times. I don't think he would be great for any fighter with ambition and all the fans seem to hate him for this.

[Max Molyneux]

:rofl :patsch :roll:

Yeah he got whopped by the best P4P fighter in the world and an ATG because he "promoted himself".:lol: :nut Of course if he had stuck with ****** he would have beaten a guy 20 times more skilled than him.:-(

And drop the crap. He FORCED ******s hand with Tsyzu. Frank would have been happy to spend another 3 years fighting Mike Stewarts and then signed off with the big fight.
And "one decent fighter" is pathetic. Collazo was a world champion at a higher weight and is clearly a decent fighter, Castillo may be past his best but he was not a losing run, and he has won since, he was also a more than "decent fighter".

It is like ****** is your fucking dad the way you twist facts and protect him. To have the nerve to dismiss anyone Hatton has fought since Tszyu as not even worthy of being called "decent" and to then downgrade one of the most gifted fighters to ever put on gloves (PBF) to being one "decent fighter" purely because you want to paint Hattons loss as being far worse than it was...

Is frankly (how apt) pathetic.

Hatton got whooped because he Is not as good as he decieved you all. It's how he lost to Floyd and had no gameplan at all. If he was as good as hyped, he would of gave a better fight, hell even an Inactive DLH gave a better fight.

Hatton Is just an average world class fighter who picked the right opponents, he was never elite and Is easily open to counter punchers.

He shamely ducks Witter and now has an excuse because Witter has an off night. The Witter who blasted Harris would blast Hatton, all he needs Is a counter left hook and Hatton will wobble, Lazcano even hit him with a left hook and he wobbled.

Hatton got to world level thanks to the right matchmaking, theres no fact twisting at all. Shame It took Floyd for alot to open peoples eyes.

Theres also the shamless fouling he uses to win too which he needs and struggles worse without at least Cortez prevented him from over fouling even though Cortez Is an American biased bastard.

Yeah blame the weight for his lack of world class skills and the fact he couldn't bully someone his own size. He won that on pure workrate and without the knockdown would of been a draw against Callazo who was battered by sell by date Mosley.

I didn't downgrade Floyd once, I said he was decent, he's not as good as guys like Calzaghe or Mijares though. He just boringly lacks strength to fight so he smartly potshots leaning back. He only got the p4p no 1 because Hopkins lost to Taylor.

It is like ****** is your fucking dad

Not as bad as It being like ****** fucking you In the arse.:yep

[Beeston Brawler]

[quote=Max Molyneux]
I didn't downgrade Floyd once, I said he was decent, he's not as good as guys like Calzaghe or Mijares though. He just boringly lacks strength to fight so he smartly potshots leaning back. He only got the p4p no 1 because Hopkins lost to Taylor.
quote]

:patsch

Stop talking bollocks.

****** is only any good with fighters who feel the need for a meal ticket - once he is dealing with marquee names such as Hatton and Haye, he is clueless :deal

[GazOC]

I don't want to get into the yawnfests that are "Hatton shamelessly (its always "shamelessly", isn't it??) ducked Witter" or "Hatton was always overrated", but Hattons career after ****** is better than when he was with ******. Using the PBF loss as a reason why he should have stuck with ****** is crazy.

[Strike]

Hatton got whooped because he Is not as good as he decieved you all. It's how he lost to Floyd and had no gameplan at all. If he was as good as hyped, he would of gave a better fight, hell even an Inactive DLH gave a better fight.

Yeah DLH being 5ft 11" with a huge reach advantage might have helped.

Hatton Is just an average world class fighter

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Quote of the decade.

He shamely ducks Witter and now has an excuse because Witter has an off night. The Witter who blasted Harris would blast Hatton, all he needs Is a counter left hook and Hatton will wobble, Lazcano even hit him with a left hook and he wobbled.

:lol: Yeah because Harris was an incredible top tier fighter, who got starched by Maussa. So Witter getting decked and losing to a green Timothy Bradley was an "off night", Hatton being beaten by one of the best fighters who has ever lived was being "exposed". Wonderful, wonderful logic.:good

What was Witter agasint Lynes? Was that a half off night? Because he looked like shit then too. What about beating gatekeeper Corley in one of the poorest and most dull world title fights in years? Was that an off night too? Because it sure as hell was not as impressive as Hatton stopping Castillo with one shot or stopping Tsyzu.

Corley was virtually a Tackie on the world scene. Very good but always lost to the best. Corley the better boxer, Tackie the better puncher, both with good chins.
I am a Witter fan, went to watch him in Bradford early on, and went to watch him against Corley, and he was fucking awful. But that gets a by from you, whereas losing once to PBF and being dominated makes Hatton a hype job and exposed.

I presume you think Corrales was fairly crap too? Because he was whipped far more than Hatton was.


I didn't downgrade Floyd once, I said he was decent, he's not as good as guys like Calzaghe

Oh dear.

Well that is the last time I take anything you say about boxing remotely seriously.

[Beeston Brawler]

Totally agree Strike.

Next Max will be saying that Gordon Brown is a brilliant prime minister and that fuel duty should be increased by 30p per litre!

[safe_pa]

Yes he deserves every bit of criticism he gets.
He has made some big fights, but only once he has milked as much money out of a cash cow as possible. Hatton made him a fortune and was close to the number of fights DLH had had by the time he fought Tsyzu.

Calzaghe as a long reigning champ and clearly one of the most talented fighters in the world was fed NO HOPERS like Pudwill and finally got the big fights as he approached the end of his career.

Now lets look at how he uses a national newspaper column like a spiteful teenage girl, slagging off and belittling anyone who dares to not sign with him or who chose to leave him.
Lets look at how he manipulates situations to try and mess up another fighters prep, like he did with Haye before the Macca fight and then expects Haye to work with him again.

He is underhanded and worse still he is a coward who cannot even take criticism on the chin and answer accusations. He bullies small web forums with threats of legal action if someone says anything bad about him.
I have posted, constructive criticism on his site and surprise surprise the post never makes it up, I have politely asked questions regarding the wisdom behind a certain piece of match making etc and surprise surprise it never makes it up.

He is like a tin pot dictator who bans any negative comment and releases self congratulatory statements and news wires.

I have no real issue with Khans opposition, the kid is young, but every fighter he has is overprotected and milked. He only let Macca face Haye because he got tricked by Haye and genuinely thought Macca would smash a weight drained fighter.

The likes of Bobby Gunn are not poor match ups, they are scandalous. Fighters like Sellers suddenly appear in top 10 rankings without having a fight, and then are so unfit for the contest that the fight is vetoed by the BBBC.

A bully, a hypocrite, a self serving individual who spits his dummy out if anyone does not kiss his feet and someone who has been involved in some fairly dodgy scenarios too.

Need I go on?

I don't even need to read the entire thread as everything that needs to be said Strike already has.

[D.Haye-no1-p4p]

I think his cards are poorly constructed and he does nothing to give his fighters any personality meaning that basically aside from the main event his cards are borefests.

His matchmaking is all aimed towards that BIG fight round the corner and tbh he has no interest in domestic boxing whatsoever- seldom does he promote British title fights as anything other then support bouts for WBU/WBO title fights.

He has done a lot for British boxing by default more then anything and no more then anyone else with his resources would have done. I don't dislike him personally he comes across as a pretty nice guy but I feel his promotional outfit is gearned towards making money as opposed to increasing boxings popularity as a sport. Which form a business POV is 100% correct, from a fans POV it sucks.
This sums up any postives you can take from Frank ******.

[Jack]

Hatton got whooped because he Is not as good as he decieved you all. It's how he lost to Floyd and had no gameplan at all. If he was as good as hyped, he would of gave a better fight, hell even an Inactive DLH gave a better fight.De La Hoya is easily one of the best fighters in the last 20 years, so even if he did have ring rust, he'd still be an elite fighter. He may not hold the belt but he's the best 154lber and at 147lbs, he would definetly be top 5.

As for him being inactive, he has been throughout his career since becoming a megastar. He's fought every 6 months for the last 9 years. One of his greatest wins, Fernando Vargas, came after a longer lay-off than against Mayweather. if you think De La Hoya had problems because he wasn't active, think again.

Some fighters can get away with fighting so rarely. Look at Sugar Ray Leonard. His best win came off a near 3 year long layoff. It's like the age argument with boxers. Just because certain people have their limits, it doesn't mean all people do, as I constantly point out when talknig about Bernard Hopkins or Archie Moore. It doesn't make them any better than a Mike Tyson or Wilfred Benitez because they peaked so early. Some fighters look awful after a year out of the rng and others don't. There is no set rule. De La Hoya happens to be one of those fighters who doesn't suffer if he isn't active.

I didn't downgrade Floyd once, I said he was decent, he's not as good as guys like Calzaghe or Mijares though. He just boringly lacks strength to fight so he smartly potshots leaning back. He only got the p4p no 1 because Hopkins lost to Taylor.Floyd Mayweather isn't as good as Christian Mijares? The fuck?

[PaddyD1983]

So cuntish articles in The Sun aside, has Frank actually done a bad job by British boxing in recent years, when you look at the cold hard evidence?

:rofl

To be fair to Frank ******, I think he's proved to be a lot more productive since the mid nineties. The work with Calzaghe is evidence to the fact that he will put people in with big names. The problem is it seems to take forever! How long would Hatton had to wait for Mayweather if he was in a ****** stable? I'm sure the fight would have come but probably not for about 2 years!!

I hope he learns from his recent successes and puts Amir Khan in with some decent opposition and lets him fly! You dont necessarily need an unbeaten record to get people excited - look at Haye!

What people want is exciting boxers willing to step out of their comfort zone. If they're good enough then they will succeed. Obviously everyone wants to make their cut of the £ along the way - nothing wrong with that. As long as it doesnt interfere too much with the credibility of the sport (and athletes involved!).

[China_hand_Joe]

Nobody else could do what ****** does with the mostly awful talent pool in the UK.

[draw99]

What happened to the Peter vs Fraudley or Skelton bout that was announced for July 12th at the O2?

:huh

[mike464]

What happened to the Peter vs Fraudley or Skelton bout that was announced for July 12th at the O2?

:huhThat'swhat I was wondering. An announcement was due 8 days ago!

[Max Molyneux]

Yeah DLH being 5ft 11" with a huge reach advantage might have helped.



:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl Quote of the decade.



:lol: Yeah because Harris was an incredible top tier fighter, who got starched by Maussa. So Witter getting decked and losing to a green Timothy Bradley was an "off night", Hatton being beaten by one of the best fighters who has ever lived was being "exposed". Wonderful, wonderful logic.:good

What was Witter agasint Lynes? Was that a half off night? Because he looked like shit then too. What about beating gatekeeper Corley in one of the poorest and most dull world title fights in years? Was that an off night too? Because it sure as hell was not as impressive as Hatton stopping Castillo with one shot or stopping Tsyzu.

Corley was virtually a Tackie on the world scene. Very good but always lost to the best. Corley the better boxer, Tackie the better puncher, both with good chins.
I am a Witter fan, went to watch him in Bradford early on, and went to watch him against Corley, and he was fucking awful. But that gets a by from you, whereas losing once to PBF and being dominated makes Hatton a hype job and exposed.

I presume you think Corrales was fairly crap too? Because he was whipped far more than Hatton was.




Oh dear.

Well that is the last time I take anything you say about boxing remotely seriously.
If Witter lands a counter hook which he will against the one dimensional Hatton, Hatton will be hurt and hold for dear life. Hatton has no head movement at all and just lunges forward, anyone who Is a timed counter puncher stands a chance at beating him.

I liked the Corley fight, I prefer real chess match counter punching to cheating like Hatton does. Hatton didn't seem to want to fight him when Corley was WBO champ and Hatton was his mandatry.

Castillo was totally shot and weight drained and picked at the right time, Witter would beat Castillo too and the Tszyu Hatton fought. Tszyu was a once a year champ who was hardly active.

Didn't see the Lynes fight, lack of sky sports at the time so can't comment there. He's had off nights before but only Bradley didn't let him get away with It. Bradley's better than Urango.

Dunno why Witter had to Impress when Urango and Malignaiggi havent Impressed at all, Hatton's full of contradictions and double standards.

Hatton should of put up a better fight against Floyd, he had no gameplan, headmovement and totally underestimated him. Least Witter didn't blame the ref for his loss.

Fact Is without the fighter being a former smaller fighter, negative or chosen at the right time, Ricky looks like the average fighter he Is or loses.

Lazcano was hardly a thank you fight when he cons people out Into PPV.

It's how he lost to Floyd, his p4p ranking was giftwrapped and he couldn't even knock out Gatti whos worse than Hatton.

No DLH using better pressure tatics made It competitive but he's not elite anymore and Is a HBO recycled PPV fighter who Floyd should of clowned.

[Max Molyneux]

Totally agree Strike.

Next Max will be saying that Gordon Brown is a brilliant prime minister and that fuel duty should be increased by 30p per litre!

Lol well some people deserve high fuel prices, seen so many abuse a car to see they deserve It.

Some just prfer to overspend on garbage to why they have problems affording high fuel prices.:deal

[Strike]

If Witter lands a counter hook which he will against the one dimensional Hatton, Hatton will be hurt and hold for dear life. Hatton has no head movement at all and just lunges forward, anyone who Is a timed counter puncher stands a chance at beating him.

I liked the Corley fight, I prefer real chess match counter punching to cheating like Hatton does. Hatton didn't seem to want to fight him when Corley was WBO champ and Hatton was his mandatry.

Castillo was totally shot and weight drained and picked at the right time, Witter would beat Castillo too and the Tszyu Hatton fought. Tszyu was a once a year champ who was hardly active.

Didn't see the Lynes fight, lack of sky sports at the time so can't comment there. He's had off nights before but only Bradley didn't let him get away with It. Bradley's better than Urango.

Dunno why Witter had to Impress when Urango and Malignaiggi havent Impressed at all, Hatton's full of contradictions and double standards.

Hatton should of put up a better fight against Floyd, he had no gameplan, headmovement and totally underestimated him. Least Witter didn't blame the ref for his loss.

Fact Is without the fighter being a former smaller fighter, negative or chosen at the right time, Ricky looks like the average fighter he Is or loses.

Lazcano was hardly a thank you fight when he cons people out Into PPV.

It's how he lost to Floyd, his p4p ranking was giftwrapped and he couldn't even knock out Gatti whos worse than Hatton.

Pathetic. I am done talking to you about boxing full stop. I have no issues with you as a person and so will happily talk to on the Lounge, but there comes a point when discussing certain issues with certain people is a waste of time.
And talking boxing with you is such an example.

[Max Molyneux]

More pathetic how some of you get way oversensitive If someone doesn't share your view on boxing Instead of simply disagreeing.

[Strike]

More pathetic how some of you get way oversensitive If someone doesn't share your view on boxing Instead of simply disagreeing.

No. Nothing to do with a disagreement, it comes down to you being so bias it is a waste of time. I dont give a damn that you pick Witter over Hatton; that is opinion.
But you calling PBF "decent" and classing him below Mijares...you ignoring every crap Witter performance or simply lying and classing fights like the Corley one as good, deciding that certain fighters were totally shot and yet ignoring what you and everyone else said before said fights....

Backing up ******s sniping, bitchy columns by saying he makes good points, because you have taken a dislike to a fighter, having a go at someone like Hatton for comp and then claiming Calzaghe is a better ATG than PBF...:lol:
Rating Calzaghe for beating Hopkins but slating Hatton for an old Tsyzu.....


The list is endless, I cannot possibly rememeber every example of your bias and border line mental issues....

But I am done talking with boxing you, just as I would be done talking football with someone who said Peter Crouch was better than Pele.

[Max Molyneux]

Hatton fans are way more bias than me, only fighter I am bias for Is Calzaghe.

I did say Witter has had off nights and looked bad, just that Bradley didn't let him get away with It this time so I don't Ignore his bad times.

I do back up a few ****** points but have also criticised his match making when the fighters no longer need It when there at a certain level.

I don't lie and never Intend to.

I used to like Hatton but once It got to Callazo and Urango, I took a disliking to him, had a little more respect when he finally decided to fight Floyd then he took him totally lightly and was hammered for It.

He deserves criticism as much as Frank, he's greedy for ppvs and money yet picks crap fighters except for Floyd, none of his fights should of been PPV.

Yes I credit Calzaghe for boning Hopkins for being a total cheat and putting up with his bullshit. Calzaghe unlike Floyd has actually cleaned out a division and looked better doing It.

The Hopkins fight was ugly because of Hopkins being a cheat but Calzaghe clearly won.

Talent wise Calzaghe Is better than Floyd too, people are fooled by too much names and belt chasing.

No mental Issues at all boxing wise.

You should listen to Amsterdam on Mijares, guy know his shit.

Funny how people Ignore my criticisms on Calzaghe and Frank when I have criticised them.

[brown bomber]

Talent wise Calzaghe Is better than Floyd too, people are fooled by too much names and belt chasing.

:-( Max.....

[Beeston Brawler]

And how many times has Calzaghe defended a meaningless belt, Max?

Was it 18 prior to his first unification fight - disgrace if you ask me!

[TFFP]

It's hardly 'disgraceful' to defend a world championship belt. Cheating and corruption is disgraceful. Defending a belt? Nah

He had little choice while Ottke was holding the division hostage

[Nemesis]

hmmm

[Max Molyneux]

:-( Max.....

You never have and never will see Floyd brutalise a fighter like Calzaghe did.

[Max Molyneux]

And how many times has Calzaghe defended a meaningless belt, Max?

Was it 18 prior to his first unification fight - disgrace if you ask me!

WBO Isn't considered meaningless when most of you mention guys like Guzman Or Casamour or Katsidis holding It.

Calzaghe made It worthy and then won the other 3 outclassing the best the 12 stone division had to offer.

[rumour24tiger]

I love this, the excuse why Joe fought one of the worst challengers ever (was it McIntyre or Pudwill?). Because Thomas Tate pulled out!

Thomas Tate was a good fighter in about 1992, when he gave Julian Jackson a cracking fight. 1992 was a long time ago.

Sven Ottke shouldn't have been defending against him, but Tate cut Ottke (I don't know if it was by a punch or a headbutt) so they had to have a rematch which Ottke won easily.

What is the excuse for trying to fight Thomas Tate, in the first place?

If ppl don't want to come to England to face unbeaten title holders, doesn't that make it all the more important to try your utmost to make meaningful fights happen?

Calzaghe's finally come good, but didnt show much ambition until about 2006 and fought most of his career under Roy Jones' shadow.

[TFFP]

All good points. ****** is great at making money, but poor at developing great fighters who can work on a world stage.

There's safer bets to be made domestically with so-called "world-title" fights.

I present my pros and cons...

Pros:

- Broke the stranglehold of old men like Duff on the industry
- Secured television coverage and built national stars
- got some very decent fights on the British stage
- introduced some of the most stringent medical proceadures in boxing

Cons:

- Created his own stranglehold on the industry
- held fighters back from their full potential to safeguard his own investment
- held more and more meaningless "eliminators" to trick his fighters into thinking they were progressing
- is underhanded in his dealings with fighters to serve his own interests
So basically he's a businessman. That's what most of the cons tell me. I don't know what people expect really, they expect these promoters to be saints

All I know is Frank ****** has done a good job lately, he's put on the big fights and still takes a lot of flack.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think the problem with Frank is his ego, which stops him doing well for himself and the sport, and making himself popular with the fans.

For instance, the Froch/Witter bill was bought by ITV, ****** was unhappy. But why? Even if he had released some crass statement about Froch being the oldest prospect in the game and Witter being boring, we could have understood it, but spitting the dummy out and then signing your whole stable to Setanta for three years (???) is a bit much - then to spit the dummy out again when they realise that boxing is popular and sign deals with Top Rank and David Haye!

Apparently he is 'considering his future'. Well, FYI Frank, TV companies are going to sign fights with your nemesis Ricky Hatton and his heir apparent, David Haye. Throw into that the fact that you have consistently put shit shows together on ITV, refuse (or seem to refuse) to allow your fighters to fight abroad or in marquee fights (generally) and you have a right mess.

Of your own creation.

[PaddyD1983]

So basically he's a businessman. That's what most of the cons tell me. I don't know what people expect really, they expect these promoters to be saints

All I know is Frank ****** has done a good job lately, he's put on the big fights and still takes a lot of flack.

The main problem people have with ****** stems from his actions pre 07/08. Calzaghe is his flagship at the moment and yeah he done well getting the Hopkins fight but how does he now play it? RJJ? The day I see Frank ****** sign up an RJJ fight then my perception of him will change forever.

For now though, he's let too many big fights get away because of the penny pinching.

[TFFP]

The main problem people have with ****** stems from his actions pre 07/08. Calzaghe is his flagship at the moment and yeah he done well getting the Hopkins fight but how does he now play it? RJJ? The day I see Frank ****** sign up an RJJ fight then my perception of him will change forever.

For now though, he's let too many big fights get away because of the penny pinching.
It's not just Hopkins though is it? Lacy was the perfect fight to get Calzaghe his recognition, and then the huge unification fight with Kessler

Not only that, but he's given his mediocre fighters the opportunity to fight for a world title, giving some interesting nights for British fight fans. As much as he protects his prized assets, he also gives his fighters the opportunity they would never get under a less influential promoter

[Beeston Brawler]

I don't mind him being a good businessman, but he's creating a situation where there might not be an industry when he's done with it.

I just expect him to act with some integrity and to reward fans with good matches when they pay £70 for ticket. I can go to see Bruce Springsteen for that and be guaranteed of three hours of entertainment - ******'s bills are so shabby and his matchmaking so lazy that you could be watching sparring.

People give him credit for getting boxing back on iTV and into the mainstream, but he was the one who took it away! You can't congratulate him for Putting right what he did wrong.

As soon as he's given exclusive right to a broadcaster, the quality of his matches deteriorate.

A reasonable summary - great point about matchmaking. The fights I really hate are the silly 6 or 8 rounders with a guy 10-0-1 or similar versus say a 8-34-7, I mean, what is the point in that?

Surely the 10-0-1 guy would benefit more by fighting another 10-0-1 fighter or simply spending more time in the gym :deal

[TFFP]

For the record, I don't think Frank ****** is a saint. I hate his bitchfests in the papers, I hate his protection of his prized assets and I generally hate his smug goldfish mug

What I don't like is how fashionable it is to bash him, yet giving credit where its due is seemingly impossible as peoples views are so skewed. People talked to death about Macca ducking Haye - ****** put on that fight. He's got the big fights for Calzaghe lately. He got Rees, a destined journeyman a world title, and two big fights by his standards. He got Matthew Skelton, a 60 year old kickboxer a world title shot. He got Gary Lockett, a fighter bumbling along unimpressively, the biggest night of his life, against one of the marquee names in world boxing right now

These are some of the good he did, amongst his many sins!

[GazOC]

What I don't like is how fashionable it is to bash him, yet giving credit where its due is seemingly impossible as peoples views are so skewed.

Happens a lot around here....;)

[TFFP]

Happens a lot around here....;)
Who? :?

[Jack]

You never have and never will see Floyd brutalise a fighter like Calzaghe did.
Corrales? Not only did Floyd outbox and stop his man, he outboxed and stopped a great fighter. Calzaghe's performance against Lacy was nowhere near as impressive because Corrales was a far superior fighter.

The best comparison to Calzaghe/Lacy in Mayweather's career would be his fight against Baldomir. An absolute shutout against a decent opponent.

[Max Molyneux]

In a constantly shifting world Max talking bolllocks is as solid as a mountain. Max, Floyd versus Diego Corrales. Then again by your 'logic' Corrales is shit isn't he? :-(

I admire Frank ******. I respect him also. His business went tits-up at one point, he was shot, and he fell foul of Don King, but the guy is still going. You have to respect that tenacity.

On the other hand he puts on poor bills, takes an eternity to build a fighter, forced Sky and ITV to re-evaluate their commitment to boxing. I think it is only a matter of time before he does something to lessen Setanta's commitment ot the sport, although they are sensible enough to use other promoters, something ****** is bleating about. Ironically, for a boxing promoter, ****** seems terrified of competitors, sad really when you consider he broke the old close cartels in British boxing.

In recent times ****** has made some good main events. Brought some good publicity to boxing also. On the other hand he is a boxing PROMOTER and should be putting on good fights, yet has only done when his hand was forced by having to chase a new TV haven. The gravy days of Sky ending was the best thing that happened to him promotion wise. Basically, in recent years, he has done his job well, then again it merely flags-up all the times he did it piss poorly. For a long time he thought his sole aim was to make money making poor Calzaghe fights for the likes of Max, recently the penny dropped, as did his TV contracts, and he has made decent fights, if supported by shite undercards. I really don't see why he should be applauded for finally pulling his finger out.

With that said I like the guy. I hope Setanta keep him in check and keep the fights coming.

As an aside he allegedly was not keen on Tszyu-Hatton and already had his eye on 'Hatton: The Comeback' fights, probably for the WBU belt Tszyu would have vacated had he won.

Calzaghe Vs Lacy was more one sided than Corrales Vs Floyd, difference Is Floyd got the KO. Prolonged beating for every second of the 12 rounds Is worse than being stopped, least Diego wasn't swarmed every second of the rounds he lasted, just counter punched Into a TKO.

Floyd should of stayed at Lightweight, much better there than Light Weler to Light Middle.

Yes and like Tffp said, he does a bitchfest, doesn't take to criticism well and over matches a fighter even when at world title level(not the WBU I mean) when they don't need It anymore. Macca paid for not having the experiance he should of as he's been a pro since 1999.

I do criticise the over match making on his fighters like Macca though for example, seems no one sees that though.

[Max Molyneux]

Corrales? Not only did Floyd outbox and stop his man, he outboxed and stopped a great fighter. Calzaghe's performance against Lacy was nowhere near as impressive because Corrales was a far superior fighter.

The best comparison to Calzaghe/Lacy in Mayweather's career would be his fight against Baldomir. An absolute shutout against a decent opponent.

I enjoyed the prolonged beating he gave Lacy, Floyd hasn't maintained that greatness since moving up belt chasing, Castillo ran him close.

Corrales was a skinny man with a china chin and Insanely made low weights for his height. He was a brawler mostly with latin like pride.

[GazOC]

Who? :?

:bart;)

[Beeston Brawler]

I think the JC/Lacy and PBF/Chico fights are totally different.

Lacy got the beating of his life, as did Chico, but the manner of the victories were totally different.

Those in the know had Lacy down as being overhyped - but the Brits hadn't seen much and not many Yanks were in the know about Lacy.

[Max Molyneux]

Floyd doesn't have Calzaghe's stamina and volume to beat a man every second of every round, beating a guy with a superior chin(also landing a 100 punches on an Iron jawed fighter) was better also than constantly dropping a china jawed fighter who had no more than warriors heart.

Calzaghe like a cat can play with his food(victims) too, Floyd just potshots them being bullied onto the backfoot because he has no strength for shit.

Strange how he couldn't KO Gatti but KO'ed Hatton though, Gatti's worse than Hatton.

No Floyd's real world class, he's just a little negative since going up 10 stone and over. Joe Is the better fighter still.

Calzaghe's china hands took away his pop, early Joe had more pop, Floyd about 9st 9lb has no pop.

Plus Calzaghe pretends to bone Hopkins which was pure genuis.

[Beeston Brawler]

Yet again Max, you talk absolute bollocks regarding Floyd Mayweather.

I always thought that one of the keys to being a good fighter was to play to your strengths, and not to allow opponents to seize on any weaknesses.

So you would expect Floyd to go toe2toe with Oscar De La Hoya then, a much bigger guy?

No doubt you consider RJJ moving up to HW and winning a title an amazing feat, so why not from SFW through to LMW?

Oh and BTW - the KO against Gatti was certainly coming, so don't try that one!

Joe is better than Mayweather. On what basis?

I like Joe a lot, but come on, 20 odd title defences (most of them meaningless), only a couple of top names on resume and has been to the canvas on several occasions - as opposed to Mayweather. Five weight world champ (3 lineal), unbeaten, never really been tested for a full 12 rounds against a cracking resume.

Tough choice.

[TFFP]

Mayweather's resume isn't 'cracking' but it is better than Joe's I must admit

You don't get a 'cracking' resume by avoiding your biggest challenge at every weight. He managed to avoid Casamayor. He avoided Tszyu. Now he's doing the same with Cotto. He won't take a fight where he's not guaranteed a win

[Max Molyneux]

Well he beat Corrales every second of every round. Stopping him to boot. Or are you going to say Floyd was gassed when ending the fight? As you claim was the case with Haye versus Mormeck?

Lacy had a chin. Little else. Corrales is the far better fighter overall and was known as such when they fought.

Floyd has played with a few fighters, Oscar De La Hoya amongst them, who is a fine fighter and naturally bigger than Floyd.

Joe last KO'd a fighter in 1997, the year his compeition was stepped up. That is why he has not scored anything other than the odd RSF or TKO since, they had to bring in a stoppage in Manfredo to make Joe looks powerful and Joe still failed to do so.

Floyd stopped Gatti on his feet. It was more conclusive than many Joe stoppages, Manfredo for instance. Floyd could hit hard when younger and the hand excuse applies both ways.

Joe did that to Hopkins because he was frustrated and had to do something memorable in the fight, so he feigned gay sex with him. He would have been better served boxing well and winningf convincingly, but he didn't.

Corrales was hardly a superior fighter, he was a freak at the weight and needed his size to compete at world class.

Floyd won every round but he hardly slapped him around every second like Joe did to Lacy nonstop, Floyd patiently just counter bombed him.

He should of beat DLH more convincly, DLH's a one fight a year recycled PPV HBO fighter like Hopkins and most of the GB suits.

Yeah and he tko'ed them with over whelming pressure making them defenceless to stop him.

Gatti was pulled out by Buddy, not stopped on his feet.

Joe was calm as a cucumber while Hopkins cheated all the way through the fight faking low blows and disgustingly excessively holding. Boning a fighter shows who's the master.:yep

Floyd has more names than Joe, but he Isn't the better fighter. Floyd's becoming a celebrity boxer who's pointlessly rematching guys he beat.

[TFFP]

I'm happy my plea to the mods worked - and we can dare speak about Frank ****** :lol:

[Decebal]

Frank ****** said he'd retire immediately if Macca got beat b Haye.

I am still waiting...:-(

[Beeston Brawler]

Mayweather's resume isn't 'cracking' but it is better than Joe's I must admit

You don't get a 'cracking' resume by avoiding your biggest challenge at every weight. He managed to avoid Casamayor. He avoided Tszyu. Now he's doing the same with Cotto. He won't take a fight where he's not guaranteed a win

I suppose each have their opinion on this matter - but I would still suggest a cracking resume.

Perhaps they didn't want to fight him, we don't know!

Admittedly, a victory over Casamayor at 135, as opposed to ???, wins over Hatton and Tszyu at 140 as opposed to Gatti and Bruseles, whilst a 147 win over Cotto in lieu of the Hatton victory and a win over Margo instead of the DLH rematch would make his resume look better.

But all in all, a pretty good career for FMJ.

[PaddyD1983]

I suppose each have their opinion on this matter - but I would still suggest a cracking resume.

Perhaps they didn't want to fight him, we don't know!

Admittedly, a victory over Casamayor at 135, as opposed to ???, wins over Hatton and Tszyu at 140 as opposed to Gatti and Bruseles, whilst a 147 win over Cotto in lieu of the Hatton victory and a win over Margo instead of the DLH rematch would make his resume look better.

But all in all, a pretty good career for FMJ.

:good

There are holes in PBF's resume but none which I would seriously consider to be massive omissions. Casa at 135 - maybe but he was beaten by Corrales who was beaten by Floyd. Tszyu at 140 - maybe but beaten by a Hatton that PBF beat (and I'm not buying that Tszyu was shot!). Agreed that he either needs to fight Cotto or (which wont happen) watch Cotto get exposed in order to stop people coming out with the Cotto v PBF debate.

As for Joe C being a better boxer (not addressed at you Beeston) - bollocks! I'm a Calzaghe fan but his technique is poor. His hooks are too tight, his jab is good but his right hand doesnt extend like it should. Its these little intricacies which make Joe the fighter he is and not something he should change! But in terms of ability - PBF is streets ahead!

[GazOC]

I know internet boxing fans are a tough crowd to please but Mayweathers resume is very impressive. Its not perfect but you can find holes in any fighters career if you really want to.

[Beeston Brawler]

Correction:

Not behind - miles behind.

[Beeston Brawler]

Not probably, Flux!

Good point Paddy re Calzaghe, it is his unorthodoxy together with his brain that makes him so good. By the time an opponent gets round to figuring him out, the tactics have changed again and he wins rounds that way.

Good on him I say.

[PrideOfWales]

The bottom line is that boxing is a professional sport and Frank ****** is a businessman. His boxers are an asset and he makes a lot of money from them for very little risk most of the time. If money is your god then it makes perfect sense.

[King]

Fwank took Boxing away from terrestrial tv for CASH.. Sky Paid him a reported £50M to put on great shows.

THEN.. Fwank pissed them off with a lot of rubbish shows.

Then he goes back to ITV and pisses them off while slagging off SKY.

Now he is at Setanta and will piss that up as well.

Look at the UFC and what they do, the best fight the best an thats all you need to get the people to watch! Bow to the King! Praise me, its the thing to do.

[Max Molyneux]

How do we know the guys In the UFC who fight each other are the best fighting the best?

[madpup]

Is Max Molyneux in fact Frank ****** in disguise?

[rooq]

How do we know the guys In the UFC who fight each other are the best fighting the best?

from watching UFC shows, forming an opinion of the abilities of each fighter and then watching those who appear to be the best fight each other.

there is probably an element of the more marketable exciting fighters getting more air-time but you don't get the situation where the number 1 and 2 of a division don't face each other.

[McGrain]

Calzaghe as a long reigning champ and clearly one of the most talented fighters in the world was fed NO HOPERS like Pudwill and finally got the big fights as he approached the end of his career.


And Calzaghe i an absolute world beater. It's possible he could have gone down as one of the true greats, been in with the top 2 or 3 every to hail from Britain insted of in the second clutch.

If you just want to talk about recently, the Calzaghe thing is the big thing.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

It really depends what you are looking at. FW slagging off Haye did not make him look good. In my opinion Sports Network only made the fight the Haye versus Macccarinelli fight because they thought Haye would be dead at the weight. I know Enzo Maccarinelli had improved but those in the know knew that if Haye was okay then the fight was an execution as was Pavlik versus Lockett. If Haye and Audley Harrisson had signed with him then he would not have criticised them theway he has over the years.

Pavlik versus Lockett was a very bad idea and quite frankly everyone knew it. I am not convinced they are actually keen on Calzaghe versus Pavlik for obvious reasons.

[robpalmer135]

****** made Burno vs McCall remember, probs one of the best ever british fights moments.

[Beeston Brawler]

Good point regarding McCall.

Bruno lacked the mental strength in my opinion to beat Tyson, and hated (or appeared to) the big stage.

[Beeston Brawler]

And Bruno was beating Lewis until the chin went skyward and the arms to the side.

I have never seen a top level fighter with such low ring savvy as Bruno, not having a clue what to do once hit on the chin - surely his trainer or someone could have drummed it into him, when you feel you are ready to be KO'd, go down and take ten to clear, or simply hold on like fuck.

[King]

How do we know the guys In the UFC who fight each other are the best fighting the best?

I am a big fan on MMA and they DO fight the best.All you have to do is look at the recent UFC 85 in London. Chuck Liddell was due to be headlining but he was injured. What did they do?They brought over Matt Hughes Vs Thiago Alvez at short notice. Hughes is a legend in the Sport and Alvez is a top contender. The Match up is the like DLH Vs Cotto – Hughes being DLH and Alvez being Cotto.Alvez smashed him down!

[The Exile]

And Bruno was beating Lewis until the chin went skyward and the arms to the side.

I have never seen a top level fighter with such low ring savvy as Bruno, not having a clue what to do once hit on the chin - surely his trainer or someone could have drummed it into him, when you feel you are ready to be KO'd, go down and take ten to clear, or simply hold on like fuck.


Too true mate, as soon as Bruno got nailed it looked as though he just wanted to stand there and take punches.

Against Lewis, me and my mates were all pro Bruno and were thinking he was on the way to a win then the usual happens, gets nailed with a decent punch and acts like a rabbit in the headlights. After years of fighting you would think he would learn how to hold on when hurt.

Still think Bruno is underated these days, if around just now he could easily have a decent title reign imo.

[box3r86]

lockett was a mandatory and it was john duddy who eventually made bob arum decide to venture to lockett. plus gary had been offered abraham and turned it own so ****** really fed him to the lion.

Lacy fight was down to lacy and shaw as joe already pulled out thru inury, i feel it was lacy's ambition and flexability in coming to the UK which made the fight.

Again Kessler wanted joe and wanted the fight so it wasnt hard to make. 50/50 as i think i heard joe accepted mogens offer to fight in denmark but then the millenium stadium was chosen and kessler agreed to fight there.

Hopkins had really eliminated all other competition in the US, in addition JT was fighting KP, dawson - johnson and woods - tarver. GBP did well in setting up the fight, joe had no choice but to go to the US. it was joes wins that got this fight not ******s negotiating skills as seen before when they previously tried to get B-hop in the ring.

Haye destroyed enzo, and ridiculed ****** and sports network when they offered him skelton. good on haye i say, he made it the hard way by becoming a legit mandatory and going to paris to KO mormeck. since then he stuck his 2 fingers up to ****** and signed in partnership with GBP and setanta sports.

Chagaev was lookin for a warmup or mediocre oponnent for his ring rust return. it was either gonna be skelton, sprott, williams etc. i mean ****** was promising fight after fight the winner would get a world title shot and nothing came, until this.


M'baye and rees should never have been sanctioned by the WBA, rees was not a 140lbr let alone ranked anywhere by the WBA. both were promoted by ****** at the time and it was ridiculous. all said and done, well done to ress. so this was easy for ****** to make, he should make his own belt up really......oh he already has the FWO sorry WBO.

he has some top fighters n his ranks. but milks them and this hinders there money making, their reputations an chances in the port. khans contract is up after the gomez fight, lets see what happens as i so hope he signs with hayemaker promotions or GBP.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think Khan is getting too big for his boots at the moment, and that will be the reason why he will leave Sports Network

Right decision, but wrong reasons!

[box3r86]

come on people he's responsible for the skelton-williams-sprott-harrison merry go round which ruined the spirt when televised in the UK!! and to top it off he tried to get haye in on the act!! HOF my ass