Jake LaMotta vs. Floyd Mayweather

[Jack]

Who wins?

I'm sure many would go with LaMotta, but I don't think he has the right style, nor physical abilities to beat Mayweather. Speed and punch output are what is needed, which I don't think Jake had. I'd go with Mayweather by decision.

[Thread Stealer]

LaMotta is too big for Mayweather.

[Jack]

LaMotta is too big for Mayweather.There's a hell of a lot of fighters who can overcome size difference. Duran, for instance against Barkley.

Whilst size is relevant, it's not everything. LaMotta couldn't win this on size alone.

[McGrain]

From what i've seen of Mayweather so far I would pick him to win a decision in 12...and probably pick him hesitantly to win a decision in 15. But LaMotta will put the theory to the test as far as Mayweather's body goes.

Secondly, this is that absolute limit of Mayweather's abilities, he'd need everything he's got.

[fightking12]

I think LaMatta is too big and will over power Floyd.

[McGrain]

I think LaMatta is too big and will over power Floyd.


Certainly possible fightking.

Brilliant avatar.

[mightyd40]

i would go mayweather by decision although i wouldn't be surprised if jakes size was to much for him.........i haven't seen mayweather be affected by the size of his opponent enough yet to bet against though

[Bummy Davis]

Lamotta bust him a new one

[Jack]

:lol:

you don't think he has the right style nor physical abilities? Jake was a big strong middleweight and as rough and dirty as they come.
By physical abilities, I am talking about speed, reflexes etc.. The things needed to beat Floyd. Which LaMotta lacked.

[McGrain]

By physical abilities, I am talking about speed, reflexes etc.. The things needed to beat Floyd. Which LaMotta lacked.

I think LaMotta has EVERYTHING you need to beat Floyd. Huge workrate, fearlesness, great body shots, tireless, used to chasing his man.

But I still pick Floyd in a horrible one. Actually, Floyd may not be the same after this fight.

[Shake]

I don't think Floyd can keep him off. I've seen Lamotta walk through combinations. It would certainly be interesting. I'd need to know which weight and how many rounds before I'm sure. If it's above welterweight and 15 rounds, there's no way Floyd can win.

[Fab2333]

uhm, damn Lamotta may have been too big for floyd. Even though Floyd has seemed to handle bigger fighters with relative ease. Floyd does have the ability to beat Lamotta. But floyd woud have to box his smartest fight ever, b/c Lamotta has a lot of power. And Floyd gettin trapped on the ropes could be harmful for him. Even though I dont think he would allow that. But this would definately be Floyds greatest test. I pick Floyd by UD

[KOTF]

LaMotta by decision in a very sloppy affair

[PetethePrince]

Who wins?

I'm sure many would go with LaMotta, but I don't think he has the right style, nor physical abilities to beat Mayweather. Speed and punch output are what is needed, which I don't think Jake had. I'd go with Mayweather by decision.


Go back to the general Jack.

[PetethePrince]

You've all gone completely bonkers. LaMotta can beat the Sugar Ray's, Satterfield's, Cerdan's, DeJohn's, Zivic's, Janiro's, Mitri's yet Floyd Mayweather is going to beat him?

The man that arguably beat SRR twice, and fought him in close matches throughout their series is going to lose to an underwhelming WW that really never proved himself as ever being the best man above 140 is going to beat the non-stop bull with a GOAT chin and relentless punching and body-attack.

Floyd leads with a left hook, and has very low-punchout. It's like he's fighting a perhaps bigger and better version of Margarito. In a 15 round fight Jake wins. In a 12 round fight I slightly favor Jake. If it's fight in LaMotta's era he's a very comfortable favor. In modern day Floyd has a bit more chance with a ref that will let him elbow and clinch.

[laxpdx]

No way Floyd can win this one. He's too small for Jake. Floyd would be fighting to survive in this one. Given Jake's physical advantages and sadomasochistic tendencies, it would be a miracle if Floyd does last the distance.

[Boxed Ears]

Jake didn't have punch output? :lol:

[1_man_army]

Floyd has no business at 160 and any fight with La Motta has to be at that weight. Floyd might be better technical boxer than La Motta but at middleweight, La Motta can bully and hurt Floyd. If he struggled to keep Hatton (a natural 140) off him early on at 147 then how on earth can he ever keep La Motta off him?

[PetethePrince]

Floyd has no business at 160 and any fight with La Motta has to be at that weight. Floyd might be better technical boxer than La Motta but at middleweight, La Motta can bully and hurt Floyd. If he struggled to keep Hatton (a natural 140) off him early on at 147 then how on earth can he ever keep La Motta off him?

Exactly.

This thread is more ridiculous than the Pavlick vs Floyd thread.

[PowerPuncher]

Floyd would be stronger than the 142/144lb versions of Robinson Lamotta went 1-1 with. He would also have a better defense and equally as quick. Lamotta is clearly the stronger man, but in terms of height/reach he has no advantage and he isnt the biggest puncher in the world but he does have a workrate that will keep Mayweather working.

I think this could go either way, if Mayweather finnishes his career with a big MW win it will give us a better idea

[PetethePrince]

Floyd would be stronger than the 142/144lb versions of Robinson Lamotta went 1-1 with. He would also have a better defense and equally as quick. Lamotta is clearly the stronger man, but in terms of height/reach he has no advantage and he isnt the biggest puncher in the world but he does have a workrate that will keep Mayweather working.

I think this could go either way, if Mayweather finnishes his career with a big MW win it will give us a better idea

No, his movement wouldn't be as good, and his offense is no where near as good as SRR, nor is his power.

Your last statement might be the truth.

[HENDO]

Lamotta has a great chance to beat Mayweather, especially at 160.

Mayweather doesn't even have enough power to do any more than scuf up Marquez, a former lightweight, when he landed over 60% of his shots.

Lamotta, who's defense is better than Marquez as he goes foward, is going to take less shots, and the ones that he does take will have little effect on him.

He managed to walk through Ray Robinson's shots, who was a concussive puncher at that weight. What makes you think Mayweather will be able to affect him long enough to win a decision?

This is also outside of Mayweather's optimal weight class.

At 154 DLH, who is not even a good aggressive fighter, and did not look natural as he put on pressure managed to give Floyd all kinds of trouble.

Lamotta would be stickin that jab in Floyd's face all night, and coming in at angles, swarming him, until eventually Floyd gasses, and his goal is merely to survive.

I think Lamotta has a very good chance of not only winning a decision, but stopping Floyd.

[HENDO]

Floyd would be stronger than the 142/144lb versions of Robinson Lamotta went 1-1 with. He would also have a better defense and equally as quick. Lamotta is clearly the stronger man, but in terms of height/reach he has no advantage and he isnt the biggest puncher in the world but he does have a workrate that will keep Mayweather working.

I think this could go either way, if Mayweather finnishes his career with a big MW win it will give us a better idea

But there really aren't any middleweights comparable to Lamotta at this time.

[HENDO]

You've all gone completely bonkers. LaMotta can beat the Sugar Ray's, Satterfield's, Cerdan's, DeJohn's, Zivic's, Janiro's, Mitri's yet Floyd Mayweather is going to beat him?

The man that arguably beat SRR twice, and fought him in close matches throughout their series is going to lose to an underwhelming WW that really never proved himself as ever being the best man above 140 is going to beat the non-stop bull with a GOAT chin and relentless punching and body-attack.

Floyd leads with a left hook, and has very low-punchout. It's like he's fighting a perhaps bigger and better version of Margarito. In a 15 round fight Jake wins. In a 12 round fight I slightly favor Jake. If it's fight in LaMotta's era he's a very comfortable favor. In modern day Floyd has a bit more chance with a ref that will let him elbow and clinch.

Margarito can't box, stands straight up, and just moves foward, easy to hit.

Lamotta can not only take a shot, but he crouches, moves his head, and puts himself in a position that makes it difficult to land cleanly on him.

[PowerPuncher]

No, his movement wouldn't be as good, and his offense is no where near as good as SRR, nor is his power.

Your last statement might be the truth.

I didnt mean to imply he was better, I see it being an interesting fight though and not as cazy as I initially thought when thinking about the match up.

[Lobotomy]

Floyd has a reasonable chance, but it must be remembered that Jake is pushing 90. Still, I wouldn't put my money on Mayweather. (Not against that mean old fart.)

[itrymariti]

Go back to the general Jack.

Don't encourage the guy; he'll just start more "Mayweather would shut Pavlik out" threads.

[itrymariti]

He'd better order up a new set of kidneys in advance.

[Raging B(_)LL]

Why is this matchup even being discussed? Floyd has yet to even fight a live body at welter where he has been campaigning for the last 4-5 years, and now he is being thrown in there with a physical powerhouse like Jake in this fantasy matchup? And some folks even think he has a chance?

:lol:

Floyd has absolutely nothing in his arsenal that would faze Jake in the least, and as far as his boxing ability is concerned I`d like to see Floyd try that shoulder roll on LaMotta, lol. Lil` Floyd would break his brittle hands in no time on Jake`s cement head, and whats he gonna do then?

Sorry, but this matchup is a complete mismatch imo, I doubt Floyd goes the distance even if he is in survival mode right from the start, a man has got to know his limitations and this is a bridge too far for Mayweather.

On a sidenote I`ll add that for the life of me I`ll never, EVER understand how Mayweather has been able to amass untold millions for fighting basically a safety first, minimalist punch output style that is about as pleasing to the eye as seeing an old woman shove a carrot up her hairy cunt, boggles my mind really.

[Pachilles]

Raging Bull about your sidenote. This is a bloody sport with bloodthirsty fans and i believe atleast 2/3 people who buy his ppv's do so hoping to see him bleed. Atleast everybody i know does.

[Raging B(_)LL]

Raging Bull about your sidenote. This is a bloody sport with bloodthirsty fans and i believe atleast 2/3 people who buy his ppv's do so hoping to see him bleed. Atleast everybody i know does.


You make a good point there, many folks indeed love to hate the guy and tune in to see him hopefully get flattened. However that still does not explain to me how he could get paid such astronomical sums of money for being such a bore as a fighter, I mean you have to entertain at least somewhat to command that kind of money imo, but that is not even the case with him at all, so what gives? Hell, Hugo friggin` Corro is more entertaining to my eyes than Floyd and I am dead serious btw, and that is saying something considering what a boring fighter Corro was generally in almost all of his fights.

[itrymariti]

You make a good point there, many folks indeed love to hate the guy and tune in to see him hopefully get flattened. However that still does not explain to me how he could get paid such astronomical sums of money for being such a bore as a fighter, I mean you have to entertain at least somewhat to command that kind of money imo, but that is not even the case with him at all, so what gives? Hell, Hugo friggin` Corro is more entertaining to my eyes than Floyd and I am dead serious btw, and that is saying something considering what a boring fighter Corro was generally in almost all of his fights.

In my experience, casual fans/non-fans care more about the drama of the sport that anything else. Often, that can be created by violence and brutality, but often promotion and image-manufacturing can take its place. Mayweather has crafted himself the illusion of being this part-untouchable slickster, part-flashy gangster, and that appeals to a lot of people. I've seen fringe-fans get more excited over Mayweather's shutting-out of Marquez than any other fight purely because you have the Sky commentary team yelling about him being the greatest fighter since SRL (:patsch). It's all about image, in the modern day. That's what gets the promotional emphasis.

[janitor]

For me personaly the jury is out about Mayweather at welter.

He is going to have to prove some things to me if he wants to make headway in fantasy matches at welterweight or middlewight.

The ball is in his court.

[he grant]

LaMotta murders him ...

[bodhi]

You've all gone completely bonkers. LaMotta can beat the Sugar Ray's, Satterfield's, Cerdan's, DeJohn's, Zivic's, Janiro's, Mitri's yet Floyd Mayweather is going to beat him?

The man that arguably beat SRR twice, and fought him in close matches throughout their series is going to lose to an underwhelming WW that really never proved himself as ever being the best man above 140 is going to beat the non-stop bull with a GOAT chin and relentless punching and body-attack.

Floyd leads with a left hook, and has very low-punchout. It's like he's fighting a perhaps bigger and better version of Margarito. In a 15 round fight Jake wins. In a 12 round fight I slightly favor Jake. If it's fight in LaMotta's era he's a very comfortable favor. In modern day Floyd has a bit more chance with a ref that will let him elbow and clinch.

This should have ended this thread. :deal

[Jack]

Go back to the general Jack.
If I could go back three years, that would be good advice.

[Jack]

Why is this matchup even being discussed? Floyd has yet to even fight a live body at welter where he has been campaigning for the last 4-5 years, and now he is being thrown in there with a physical powerhouse like Jake in this fantasy matchup? And some folks even think he has a chance? I think we can all agree De La Hoya a live body at 154lbs and for that fight, De La Hoya weighed more than LaMotta did during his prime.

Aside from that, De La Hoya has more of an advantage stylistically, than LaMotta does.
Floyd has absolutely nothing in his arsenal that would faze Jake in the least, and as far as his boxing ability is concerned I`d like to see Floyd try that shoulder roll on LaMotta, lol. Lil` Floyd would break his brittle hands in no time on Jake`s cement head, and whats he gonna do then? You can't predict a guy will break his hands when they haven't been damaged in years. Sure, LaMotta had a hard head and Mayweather wouldn't hurt him, but why would he need to when he could get on his bike all night long?

[burt bienstock]

Sometimes i feel that i.m in Alice in Wonderland..Who would sensibly match a Mayweather @145lbs with the bullish Lamotta@ 160 pounds...Lamotta would bull Floyd into a corner,destroy Mayweather inside and stop him badly in five rounds...Ray Robiinson [ who I saw prime 4 times] was at almost six feet ,twice the boxer that Floyd Mayweather was, and hit TWICE, yes TWICE as hard as a welterwight Floyd Mayweather..Lamotta vs Mayweather, silly thread...

[Longhhorn71]

Lamotta at 170 lbs at fight time would be a tank.

See the Robinson vs Maxim fight for my predicted result.

[PetethePrince]

Floyd has a reasonable chance, but it must be remembered that Jake is pushing 90. Still, I wouldn't put my money on Mayweather. (Not against that mean old fart.)

:lol:

Don't encourage the guy; he'll just start more "Mayweather would shut Pavlik out" threads.

Better their than here I figured. But good point.

He'd better order up a new set of kidneys in advance.

:good

[PetethePrince]

Why is this matchup even being discussed? Floyd has yet to even fight a live body at welter where he has been campaigning for the last 4-5 years, and now he is being thrown in there with a physical powerhouse like Jake in this fantasy matchup? And some folks even think he has a chance?

:lol:

Floyd has absolutely nothing in his arsenal that would faze Jake in the least, and as far as his boxing ability is concerned I`d like to see Floyd try that shoulder roll on LaMotta, lol. Lil` Floyd would break his brittle hands in no time on Jake`s cement head, and whats he gonna do then?

Sorry, but this matchup is a complete mismatch imo, I doubt Floyd goes the distance even if he is in survival mode right from the start, a man has got to know his limitations and this is a bridge too far for Mayweather.

On a sidenote I`ll add that for the life of me I`ll never, EVER understand how Mayweather has been able to amass untold millions for fighting basically a safety first, minimalist punch output style that is about as pleasing to the eye as seeing an old woman shove a carrot up her hairy cunt, boggles my mind really.

:happy

Gets a little graphic at the end but good post. :lol:

[PetethePrince]

I think we can all agree De La Hoya a live body at 154lbs and for that fight, De La Hoya weighed more than LaMotta did during his prime.

:lol:

You're clueless. LaMotta fought in the amateurs at 175 and could barely make the MW limit.

[burt bienstock]

Jack,be real-Whem Lamotta started his career in 1941, his average weight was 170 pounds or so...He was as a youngster thrown in with the wolves at that time,survived and prospered..In 1942 he decided to box as a 160 pounder,and became the "raging bull".in his prime..Lamotta in every fight as a middleweight, had to fight to get down to the 160 pound limit...Finally in 1951, 10 lbs. above 160 ,Lamotta starved himself to make the weight for the Robinson bout, in which the weight drained Lamotta was succesful for the first 8 rounds, than depleted of energy, Jake was tko'd in the 13th round, by Robinson...To say De La Hoya was bigger than Lamotta, doesn,t merit anymore serious thoughts on this thread....

[Kalasinn]

Sometimes i feel that i.m in Alice in Wonderland..Who would sensibly match a Mayweather @145lbs with the bullish Lamotta@ 160 pounds...Lamotta would bull Floyd into a corner,destroy Mayweather inside and stop him badly in five rounds...Ray Robiinson [ who I saw prime 4 times] was at almost six feet ,twice the boxer that Floyd Mayweather was, and hit TWICE, yes TWICE as hard as a welterwight Floyd Mayweather..Lamotta vs Mayweather, silly thread...
Agreed, LaMotta by slaughter.

[billy boy balbo]

lamotta beats everyone at middle,bar roy jones and robinson

[OBCboxer]

You've all gone completely bonkers. LaMotta can beat the Sugar Ray's, Satterfield's, Cerdan's, DeJohn's, Zivic's, Janiro's, Mitri's yet Floyd Mayweather is going to beat him?

The man that arguably beat SRR twice, and fought him in close matches throughout their series is going to lose to an underwhelming WW that really never proved himself as ever being the best man above 140 is going to beat the non-stop bull with a GOAT chin and relentless punching and body-attack.

Floyd leads with a left hook, and has very low-punchout. It's like he's fighting a perhaps bigger and better version of Margarito. In a 15 round fight Jake wins. In a 12 round fight I slightly favor Jake. If it's fight in LaMotta's era he's a very comfortable favor. In modern day Floyd has a bit more chance with a ref that will let him elbow and clinch.

Well said. Lamotta is the blueprint to beating Mayweather.

[PowerPuncher]

:lol:

You're clueless. LaMotta fought in the amateurs at 175 and could barely make the MW limit.

You do realise in the modern era fighters dehydrate far more and gain far more after a weigh in because of 24hour weigh ins. Old timers couldnt do this getting weighed a few hours before the fight, effectively modern WWs/LMWs are as big as old time MWs because of the amount of water they drain and rehydrate with.

Lamotta was only 5'8, hardly a tank also 1 of the more fleshy boxers

[PowerPuncher]

Its worth noting after beatng Lamotta, Lloyd Marshall said the others Murderer's Row boxers like Charles Burley would comfortably beat Lamotta. Given Burley has similarities to Mayweather and isnt much bigger its not inconceivable by any means Mayweather pulls it off. Lamotta went life and death in 5 very close fights with Zivic who wasnt bigger than Mayweather and wasnt as skilled

[HENDO]

I think we can all agree De La Hoya a live body at 154lbs and for that fight, De La Hoya weighed more than LaMotta did during his prime.

Aside from that, De La Hoya has more of an advantage stylistically, than LaMotta does.
You can't predict a guy will break his hands when they haven't been damaged in years. Sure, LaMotta had a hard head and Mayweather wouldn't hurt him, but why would he need to when he could get on his bike all night long?

De La Hoya is a boxer puncher, that holds his hands far out in front of his face, and isn't a guy who is used to delivering pressure.

De La Hoya who started his career at what, 130? was also out of his element against Sturm who is just a regular guy who hasn't done shit and is scared to take on challenges in an almost empty middleweight division.

Lamotta was at Light Heavy as an amateur, moved down to middleweight as a pro and was considered a BIG middleweight fighter. His game was also pressure. He managed to give SRR, regarded as the best ever, and one of the best ever at middleweight very competitive fights by delivering pressure.

Yet you say, with the style that De La Hoya used in his fight against Mayweather, LaMotta is a at a stylistic disadvantage?

[HENDO]

Its worth noting after beatng Lamotta, Lloyd Marshall said the others Murderer's Row boxers like Charles Burley would comfortably beat Lamotta. Given Burley has similarities to Mayweather and isnt much bigger its not inconceivable by any means Mayweather pulls it off. Lamotta went life and death in 5 very close fights with Zivic who wasnt bigger than Mayweather and wasnt as skilled

The same Burley that put Archie Moore down 3 times in his fight?

The same Burley that started at welter and fought many of his fights at middleweight?

Of course it's concievable and maybe even likely that the bigger than Mayweather, Burley would beat Lamotta, but the guy could also punch. Yes, he was not a knockout artist in the sense that he didn't go for the knockout, but he COULD gain guys respect with his punching power and could put guys on their ass when necessary.

Mayweather has great skills, and even if you want to argue that he's close to the same size as Burley, fact is, he's not a puncher. He landed over 60% of his punches on Marquez, and even managed to left and right hook combinations off his dome, yet Marquez was merely "scuffed up" at the end of the bout.

And Marquez is typically a counterpuncher and it showed because he did not look very comfortable going foward against Mayweather.

And if you are under the impression that Mayweather can simply run the duration of the fight, which is basically what he'll have to do, look at how Ricky Hatton managed to pin him several times, yet just didn't have the offensive arsenal, nor the strength, necessary to attack Mayweather when he had him cornered.

Lamotta has feet just as quick as Hatton's and he's, a better operator on the inside, and he's more elusive on the way in do to his style.

Also this fight will be at middleweight, where Mayweather's combination of not being a puncher, and having additional weight will only serve to slow him down and put him in a position where he can get punched.

[Raging B(_)LL]

[QUOTE]I think we can all agree De La Hoya a live body at 154lbs and for that fight, De La Hoya weighed more than LaMotta did during his prime.

You saw a live body in that fight? I saw a past his prime fighter playing catch up all night long to his speedier quicker foe, and even then I had the fight a draw, neither man did enough to win that fight imo. As for DLH weighing in heavier than Jake, even if that is true what the hell does that prove? LaMotta and DLH have completely different styles and physical attributes, the weight is a non issue as a result.

Aside from that, De La Hoya has more of an advantage stylistically, than LaMotta does.

:lol:

Really? How so? Sure didn`t look like it to me when I was watching the fight, had DLH employed more of a LaMoota like approach he may well have won the fight, as it was though he did not and lost, although like I said neither man deserved to win that fight anyway as it was shit.


You can't predict a guy will break his hands when they haven't been damaged in years. Sure, LaMotta had a hard head and Mayweather wouldn't hurt him, but why would he need to when he could get on his bike all night long?

Ya know, the breaking his hands bit wasn`t entirely serious, although it is a very real possibility mind you against a guy with a cement head like jake. As for getting on his bike how exactly is that going to help him? Sugar Ray got on his bike too, didn`t stop jake from closing the distance between them to get his own work done now did it?

This ain`t Carlos fucking Baldomir we are talking about here, this is Jake LaMotta, a totally different animal altogether. But frankly this debate is a waste of time, Floyd stand not a chance imo against ANY bonafide middleweight with the words great next to their name, hell I have a hard time seeing him be competitive with great welters, nevermind great middleweights.

[Seamus]

You've all gone completely bonkers. LaMotta can beat the Sugar Ray's, Satterfield's, Cerdan's, DeJohn's, Zivic's, Janiro's, Mitri's yet Floyd Mayweather is going to beat him?

The man that arguably beat SRR twice, and fought him in close matches throughout their series is going to lose to an underwhelming WW that really never proved himself as ever being the best man above 140 is going to beat the non-stop bull with a GOAT chin and relentless punching and body-attack.

Floyd leads with a left hook, and has very low-punchout. It's like he's fighting a perhaps bigger and better version of Margarito. In a 15 round fight Jake wins. In a 12 round fight I slightly favor Jake. If it's fight in LaMotta's era he's a very comfortable favor. In modern day Floyd has a bit more chance with a ref that will let him elbow and clinch.

a voice of sanity in an insane thread.

Even the over-rated Hatton had his moments moving into Mayweather and that was WITH the ref in Mayweather's pocket and not allowing any infighting.

LaMotta would potentially end Mayweather's career in this one.

[PetethePrince]

You do realise in the modern era fighters dehydrate far more and gain far more after a weigh in because of 24hour weigh ins. Old timers couldnt do this getting weighed a few hours before the fight, effectively modern WWs/LMWs are as big as old time MWs because of the amount of water they drain and rehydrate with.

Lamotta was only 5'8, hardly a tank also 1 of the more fleshy boxers

Yes I do, but LaMotta drained to make the limit. After the weigh in was early like in his last fight with SRR than I'm sure that he was probably at least 165-170 pound at night by the time of the fight. I could be wrong. He could've been even more.

So you make a point but LaMotta was probably more than the 160 limit. He just couldn't rehydrate to the extent. And his frame was that of a 168 pound man.

[PowerPuncher]

The same Burley that put Archie Moore down 3 times in his fight?

The same Burley that started at welter and fought many of his fights at middleweight?

Of course it's concievable and maybe even likely that the bigger than Mayweather, Burley would beat Lamotta, but the guy could also punch. Yes, he was not a knockout artist in the sense that he didn't go for the knockout, but he COULD gain guys respect with his punching power and could put guys on their ass when necessary.

Mayweather has great skills, and even if you want to argue that he's close to the same size as Burley, fact is, he's not a puncher. He landed over 60% of his punches on Marquez, and even managed to left and right hook combinations off his dome, yet Marquez was merely "scuffed up" at the end of the bout.

And Marquez is typically a counterpuncher and it showed because he did not look very comfortable going foward against Mayweather.

And if you are under the impression that Mayweather can simply run the duration of the fight, which is basically what he'll have to do, look at how Ricky Hatton managed to pin him several times, yet just didn't have the offensive arsenal, nor the strength, necessary to attack Mayweather when he had him cornered.

Lamotta has feet just as quick as Hatton's and he's, a better operator on the inside, and he's more elusive on the way in do to his style.

Also this fight will be at middleweight, where Mayweather's combination of not being a puncher, and having additional weight will only serve to slow him down and put him in a position where he can get punched.

You're right Burley hit signicantly harder than Mayweather, however Zivic and Holman Williams likely didnt and they went very close. Mayweathers a tougher match up than Zivic and Zivic has a win over Lamotta

Mayweather doesnt run, he uses his defense to offset his opponents output, you mention Hatton but Hatton barely landed anything and is faster of foot/hand, lamotta is more skilled and likely lands more. Hatton gets underrated a little now, I'm not a fan of his but his output/intensity/speed/chin/body attack made him a tough fight. He managed to pull off wins over Tyszu, Castillo amongst other quality prospects

Again I'm not making a pick here

[PowerPuncher]

Yes I do, but LaMotta drained to make the limit. After the weigh in was early like in his last fight with SRR than I'm sure that he was probably at least 165-170 pound at night by the time of the fight. I could be wrong. He could've been even more.

So you make a point but LaMotta was probably more than the 160 limit. He just couldn't rehydrate to the extent. And his frame was that of a 168 pound man.

It would depend how much time Lamotta had to rehydrate, today it'd be allot easier with 24hour weigh ins

Lamotta may well be 165 in the ring, Hatton would weigh 155-160, Mosley is typically 160 in the ring, Delahoya probably weighed well over 160lbs against Mayweather, Baldomir around 160

With the advent of 36hour weigh ins this isnt the massive step up in weight that it may seem

[Seamus]

Am I the only one who thought Castillo beat Mayweather in their first fight? You know, the one where he outlanded Mayweather about 2 to 1? One thing about Mayweather, talent or no, he never steps in a ring without every element (including the ref) being negotiated to his advantage. Not quite the same as an era where guys, even at the highest lever, regularly took fights on one or two week's notice.

[spion]

Though Mayweather doesn't come close to Ali as far as work rate, I think this fight would look like Ali-Frazier I. Both fighters well conditioned but the relentless attack wears Mayweather down over the course of the fight and Jake wins by UD.

[red cobra]

You guys can't be serious..LaMotta way too strong, overpowers Moneyprick with ease.

[PowerPuncher]

Am I the only one who thought Castillo beat Mayweather in their first fight? You know, the one where he outlanded Mayweather about 2 to 1? One thing about Mayweather, talent or no, he never steps in a ring without every element (including the ref) being negotiated to his advantage. Not quite the same as an era where guys, even at the highest lever, regularly took fights on one or two week's notice.

outlanding by 2-1 was it :lol: Noway was Castillo outlanding on head shots, that and losing the first 5rounds didnt do him much good

And when did FMJ have the negotiating advantages with Delahoya, Corrales, Hernandez, Judah etc etc Im not actually sure what advantages your on about so I'll stop

[Seamus]

outlanding by 2-1 was it :lol: Noway was Castillo outlanding on head shots, that and losing the first 5rounds didnt do him much good

And when did FMJ have the negotiating advantages with Delahoya, Corrales, Hernandez, Judah etc etc Im not actually sure what advantages your on about so I'll stop

Castillo outlanded Mayweather 173 to 67 in power punches. So you're right, it wasn't 2 to 1, more like 3 to 1.

[PowerPuncher]

Castillo outlanded Mayweather 173 to 67 in power punches. So you're right, it wasn't 2 to 1, more like 3 to 1.

Calling severe BS on those punch stats, Castillo didnt do much for the first 5rounds, and wasnt landing with near the same level of accuracy

[POCKET SHOT]

with mayweather pressing the fight on sheer determinations and balls alone to withhold a legacy in a vicious battle of will and heart... mayweather by ko1

[Seamus]

Calling severe BS on those punch stats, Castillo didnt do much for the first 5rounds, and wasnt landing with near the same level of accuracy

from the compubox folks...

Castillo landed 173 of 377 (46%) power shots to just 67 of 152 (44%) for Floyd. After outlanding Castillo 48-27 in first 4 rounds (swept rounds on all cards), Mayweather was outlanded in every round after, including 26-11 in round 7, 35-20 in round 11. Castillo also had edge in power connects in every round.

Regardless, Castillo was the boss in that fight after giving up the first four rounds. I would not call it "a robbery" but I did score it for Castillo. I think Floyd was given a lot of love by the judges in this one.

[Sardu]

LaMotta by wide UD.

[PetethePrince]

It would depend how much time Lamotta had to rehydrate, today it'd be allot easier with 24hour weigh ins

Lamotta may well be 165 in the ring, Hatton would weigh 155-160, Mosley is typically 160 in the ring, Delahoya probably weighed well over 160lbs against Mayweather, Baldomir around 160

I gave an example with his weighing in on the morning and fighting at night. He could have very well been 165-170, if not more. Hatton was past his best weight at 147, and weighed I think between 148-150 for the Pac fight.

With the advent of 36hour weigh ins this isnt the massive step up in weight that it may seem

You have to remember that if we gave LaMotta this advantage than Floyd is in even more trouble. Jake would have been a SM if they had a division back in the day.