The Current State of Mexican Boxing?

[geppy]

How do you rate the current state of Mexican boxing?

I dont think I have ever seen Mexican boxing so weak. Many of the best Mexican fighters have been getting owned as of late. It seems there has been many Asian (especially Fillipino) fighters making a wave throughout the lower weight classes as well.

JMM - lost to Chris John
Morales - lost to Raheem , then twice to Pacman
Barera - was destroyed by Pacman
Vargas- two crushing defeats to Mosley
Margarito- dominated
Castillo- knocked out
De La Hoya - lost 3 out of his last 5 fights. Arguably 4 out 5 , as many thought Sturm beat Oscar.
Arce- dominated but beat by another Mexican fighter.

[GalangK]

Juan Manuel Marquez's loss to Chris John seems highly dubious.

fighers like Rafael Marquez, Israel Vazquez, Ponce de Leon, and Christian Mijares tell me that the Mexican Boxing scene is not exactly struggling right now.

ITs still a place where they produce a ton of quality boxers.

[geppy]

Juan Manuel Marquez's loss to Chris John seems highly dubious.

fighers like Rafael Marquez, Israel Vazquez, Ponce de Leon, and Christian Mijares tell me that the Mexican Boxing scene is not exactly struggling right now.

ITs still a place where they produce a ton of quality boxers.

Ponce De Leon really has work cut out for him, he has an upcoming bout with the highly touted Rey Bautista. De Leon may be joing that list! What do you think ? You are Filipino and are far more familiar with Bautista. Who wins Bautista vs De Leon?

[GalangK]

Ponce De Leon really has work cut out for him, he has an upcoming bout with the highly touted Rey Bautista. Ponce De Leon may be joing that list! What do you think ? You are Filipino and are far more familiar with Bautista. Who wins Bautista vs De Leon?

I might be Filipino but I've been living in Quebec for the past fifteen years :blood

I've seen Bautista in only five fights or so due to where I currently live

. He's a very good talent but Ponce de Leon is a very big step up for him. Then again, the way De Leon fought with an aging Penalosa, Bautista might have a better chance than most people think!

[the_what]

Mexicans have never really done anything above the 140 pound division.

They still have good fighters like Rafael Marquez, Israel Vasquez, Jhonny Gonzalez, Ponce De Leon, Christian Mijares, Humberto Soto.

Vargas and DLH are both Americans and never represented Mexican boxing.

[Toopretty]

Mexicans.you have my second favorite fighter.. Rafael Marquez..man you guys made a monster.. I mean I literally love that guy...I just dont understand where his power comes from. I see it, but dont believe it. I mean he hits HARDDDD. In every Punch with both hands. And damn that jab......GO MEXICO..RAF is your next superstar. You guys need to start pumping him up for real.

[geppy]

Rafa Marquez #3
JMM #4
Barrera #9

Pound 4 Pound ring mag ratingings

I wouldnt say that' bad at all


What is Chris John ranked by the RING ? I dont take those rankings seriously! Pacman will beat Barrera again, and will beat JMM again. The only reason Pacman vs JMM was a draw , was because the idiot judge didnt know how to add the scorecard up and admitted it.

[geppy]

[quote=geppy]What is Chris John ranked by the RING ? I dont take those rankings seriously! Pacman will beat Barrera again, and will beat JMM again. The only reason Pacman vs JMM was a draw , was because the idiot judge didnt know how to add the scorecard up and admitted it.[/quot


so instead of the RING take urs??? OK
why dont u rename ur thread to i hate mexican boxers because pacman is the greatest boxer ever

No, but there is no way JMM is the 4th best boxer in the world after refusing a Pacman rematch, then losing his title to a fighter no ever heard of for a purse of 25,000 $.

[WestSideBoxer]

why dont u rename ur thread to i hate mexican boxers because pacman is the greatest boxer ever Exactly :yep

[boxbox]

mexican boxing is at a transition state, some of the more well known fighters are getting old while some upcoming and exciting prospects are getting recognized...its just a matter of time actually, people grow old.

And so is to other countries.

[WestSideBoxer]

I have this list that i made a while ago.

I have this list of mexican boxers, save it on your computer, it will be more easy:

Cristobal Arreola (26) 8) :yikes

BJ Flores (28) :yikes


Julio Gonzalez (30)


Librado Andrade (28)


Sergio Mora (26) :yep


Jesus Gonzales (22)


Oscar De La Hoya (34) - Hatton fight :smoke


Fernando Vargas (29) :D


Julio Cesar Garcia (20) ?


Roberto Garcia (27)


James De La Rosa (19) younger brother of the Contender Juan De La Rosa:yikes


Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. (21) :yikes:yikes


Saul Alvarez (17) :yikes:yikes:yikes



Freddy Hernandez (28)


Alfredo Angulo (24)


Antonio Margarito (29):yikes:yikes


Alfonso Gomez (26) Hey it's Phonso :yep


Francisco Bojado (24) ?

Victor Ortiz (20) "Vicious" :bbb:yikes:yikes:yikes


Jose Armando Santa Cruz (26)


Pavel Miranda (19)


Cristian Bejarano (25) beat Cotto in the Ams, and won Bronze Medal in Sidney, but his career has been very slow.:bbb


Jorge Paez Jr. (19) :blood


Urbano Antillon (24)


Julio Diaz (27):bbb

Humberto Mauro "Betillo" Gutierrez (17) :yikes:bbb


Gilberto "Flaco" Gonzalez (18 or 19) MABarrera protege, he reminds me of Alexis Arguello :yikes


Vicente Escobedo (25) :smoke :yikes


Juan Diaz (23) :good:yikes:yikes:yikes


Omar Chavez (17) Little Brother of Julio Jr.:good


Juan Ramon Ayala (18) MaBarrera protege


Humberto Soto (27) :bbb:yikes:yikes


Juan Manuel Marquez (33) :yikes:yikes:yikes

Leonilo Miranda (24) :yikes


Juan Carlos Salgado (22)


Juan Carlos Burgos (19)

Rocky Juarez (27) :bbb


Rudy Lopez (23)


Michael Franco (19)

Martin Honorio (27)


Marcos Ramirez (26)


Jose Diaz (21) younger brother of Juan Diaz


Oscar Larios (30)


Rafael Marquez (32) :yikes:yikes


Israel Vazquez (29) :yikes


Rodolfo Hernandez (17 or 18) FUTURE WORLD CHAMPION! "Fofo" :hey, MABarrera protege, amazing talent.:yikes:yikes
Michael Franco (19)


Antonio Escalante (22) :think

Rodrigo Guerrero (?)

Eduardo Lazcano (21)


Daniel Ponce De Leon (26) :bbb

Abner Mares (21) mexican olympian, FUTURE LEGEND! :yikes

Johnny Gonzalez (25) :yikes:yikes


Alejandro Valdez (23) pretty good :good


Cristian Mijares (25) :yikes:bbb:good


Jorge Arce (27) :bbb:bbb"Travieso"


Genaro Garcia (29)


Raul Martinez (25)


Hugo Partida (19 or 20)


Victo Proa (?)


Jose Navarro (26)


Alejandro Hernandez (21) "Payasito" :good


Adrian Hernandez (?) Lupe Pintor protege


Ulises Solis (25) "Archie" :yikes:yikes


Hugo Cazares (29) :yikes:yikes


Giovanni Segura (25)

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I didn't put there:

Marco Antonio Barrera :yikes:yikes:yikes

Erik Morales :yikes:yikes:yikes

Jose Luis Castillo :yikes:yikes:yikes


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And also check out the Mexican team for the Beijing Olympics in 2008.

I think the best is the Middleweight (but he will be fighting in Super Middlweight) in the Pro's, 6'2 Marco Antonio Periban, that beat the Cuban number 1, to get to the Panamerican Games in Rio this summer.

There are others with good chances for a medal like Carlos Cuadras, Odilon Zaleta and Braulio Avila
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Braulio Avila and Carlos Cuadras (two great boxers)


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Zaleta, Periban and Vargas


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[geppy]

You are Jsantini. He had a huge list exactly like that. He posted a bunch of garbage about how Librado Andrade was going to KO Kessler . Andrade lost every second of the fight royaly, then shortly afterwards Jsantini stopped posting. Edit: Acctually it is that same list.

I have nothing against Mexican fighters but is funny the trash the fans talk , then their fighter keep getting totally owned. Margarito, Castillo were both supposedly going to demolish Williams and Hatton.

[WestSideBoxer]

You are Jsantini. He had a huge list exactly like that. He posted a bunch of garbage about how Librado Andrade was going to KO Kessler . Andrade lost every second of the fight royaly then, then shortly afterwards Jsantini stopped posting. Edit: Acctually it is that same list.

I have nothing against Mexican fighters but is funny the trash the fans talk , then their fighter keep getting totally owned. Margarito, Castillo were both supposedly going to demolish Williams and Hatton.
Yes i'm , with a new username (i like this one more, and it seems i have a following) :good

[WestSideBoxer]

And i made that list with my new Alias WestsideBoxer not with JSantini and i kept posting.

[WestSideBoxer]

Man im goin to ban u from ur own thread.
Don't worry about him, he just likes to hate on Mexican boxers, don't know why (and it's not because of the trash talking)? :?

[geppy]

Don't worry about him, he just likes to hate on Mexican boxers, don't know why (and it's not the trash talking)? :?

That statement is as true as 'Andrade is going to KO Kessler and then unify the division against Calzaghe'! I dont fight the fights for the Mexican boxers, it is just a fact ,the best Mexican fighters are a dreadful streak.

[WestSideBoxer]

That statement is as true as 'Andrade is going to KO Kessler and then unify the division against Calzaghe'! I dont fight the fights for the Mexican boxers, it is just a fact the best fighters are a dreadful streak.

You are a funny guy,

because i didn't say that :rofl:rofl:rofl

[geppy]

You are a funny guy,

because i didn't say that :rofl:rofl:rofl

Someone did, and I think it was you. I certainly at least know you picked Andrade to KTFO of Kessler for sure. Hence a new screen name, hopefully you can go longer than a few months this time without embarressing yourself and having to change names.


You thought Andrade would destroy Kessler, but couldnt beat Calzaghe? Is that you are saying.

[WestSideBoxer]

Someone did, and I think it was you. I certainly at least know you picked Andrade to KTFO of Kessler for sure. Hence a new screen name, hopefully you can go longer than a few months this time without embarressing yourself and having to change names.


You thought Andrade would destroy Kessler, but couldnt beat Calzaghe? Is that you are saying.
:patsch

WTF :lol:

i kept posting with JSantini at least one month after the fight.


And I didn't change my username because of Andrade-Kessler ( i just wanted a new one):lol: :rofl

[El Bombasto]

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[WestSideBoxer]

Look guy im sorry if the phillipines got only 1 maybe 2 OK boxers, there is nothing me or u can do about it, talking down on mexican boxers is not going to create better phillipino boxers.
mexico holds the highest # of champions in the world thats just a fact.
He's not Philipino, he's always praising Eastern European Boxers.

The Phillipines have great boxers and tradition, they even have a Pancho Villa

Boom Boom Bautista,

Donaire look very good

o and also

AJ Banal

[reed_man02]

:rofl Someone did, and I think it was you. I certainly at least know you picked Andrade to KTFO of Kessler for sure. Hence a new screen name, hopefully you can go longer than a few months this time without embarressing yourself and having to change names.


You thought Andrade would destroy Kessler, but couldnt beat Calzaghe? Is that you are saying.

so basically you admit that this thread was intended to hate on mexicans(because of their fans) and not because of the state of mexican boxing. i dunno even know what your arguement is when three mexican fighters are in the top 10 p4p lists.

i think you should attackt he klit faggots who claim wlad can beat the atg heavys when his best win is sam peter.

[Stinky gloves]

New star: Gomez is rising up!

[Stinky gloves]

How about new Mexican prospects:

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[myk]

How about new Mexican prospects:

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:lol::lol::lol:

[reed_man02]

This is some sort of a World Cup in boxing. Whoever wins the most out 7 matches is the winner. Deal?

dont be a bitch dumbgo, you know most of these fights involve mexican journymen who are only fighting to fill the card. i think the main events are more than fair. however, do YOU have the same confidence in your countrymen that mexicans have in theirs.:yep

[reed_man02]

It's the same situation w/ my countrymen who will be fighting your journeymen. So it's even stevens. Avatar bet? Deal?:D Best of 7?

aiiiiiight. like i said in the world cup thread. roman, dpl, and gonzales are sure wins. add a win by a meixcan bum, and game, set, match.

youre onnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[boxbox]

nice bet! either way, you'll be sporting nice avatars!

[theHawtness]

How about new Mexican prospects:

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LMFAO!:rofl
who says mexican boxing is down when you have guys like these :lol:

[gamay]

:rofl :hi:

[GalangK]

Is that Toney sporting the whole Mexican garb as he prepares to fight Ruiz of all people?

[theHawtness]

Is it an in thing to sport Mexican costumes and win over a Mexican in the process? I would suggest Pinoy boxers in Mexican Philippines World Cup wear Mexican sombreros as lucky charms. :rofl:rofl:good:good
pinoy boxers wouldn't do that. they know some mexicans will be offended. . they are the classiest and most humble group of boxers i have ever seen. :good

(talk about nuthugging) :hi:

[bandeedo]

whats with the inferiority complex? mexico just has more guys practicing the sport of boxing so there is a larger pool of talent than in the phillipines. these mexico phillipine threads read like a little brother allways trying to outdo and come out from big brothers shadow. pinoys should be happy with the fine fighters they have and stop trying to be better than mexico.

[BlueApollo]

How about new Mexican prospects:

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:rofl:rofl:rofl

I miss James already.

[WestSideBoxer]

whats with the inferiority complex? mexico just has more guys practicing the sport of boxing so there is a larger pool of talent than in the phillipines. these mexico phillipine threads read like a little brother allways trying to outdo and come out from big brothers shadow. pinoys should be happy with the fine fighters they have and stop trying to be better than mexico.
The thread starter is not Pinoy, he's always praising Eastern European fighters, so i suppose he's from there.

But who knows maybe he's a Pinoy fan of eastern european boxers, like me, i'm argentinian, but i live here in Mexico and i really like mexican boxers.

[THN]

Great respect to Librado Andrales, a thrue fighter!

[geppy]

Jorge Linares vs Oscar Larios was major ownage.


Credit to Linares! Larios was able to go the distance with Pacman but Linares stopped him. I only seen the last round on youtube, but judging by the response of the fans , Linares was extremely impressive.

[WestSideBoxer]

Jorge Linares vs Oscar Larios was major ownage.


Credit to Linares! Larios was able to go the distance with Pacman but Linares stopped him. I only seen the last round on youtube, but judging by the response of the fans , Linares was extremely impressive.
Linares is Great:bbb

But what you mean about major ownage :lol:

Since his last 3 fights, Larios was not even one of the TOP Mexican Boxers.

The Mexies HAVE LOTS of fighters to root for.

[geppy]

Linares is Great:bbb

But what you mean about major ownage :lol:

Since his last 3 fights, Larios was not even one of the TOP Mexican Boxers.

The Mexies HAVE LOTS of fighters to root for.

Is Larios is 30 years old and washed up?

Larios defeated Isreal Vasquez by 12th round TKO in 2002 and had a nice World Title run untill December 2005. Larios was one of the better fighters, untill he was Ko'd in 4 rounds by the same Vasquez he previously knocked out, then lost by decision to Pacman.

[WestSideBoxer]

ODLH isn't mexican.....there are still many great mexican fighters out there.


trust


Yeah, he's American......

but with Mexican parents

:huh

[WestSideBoxer]

Is Larios is 30 years old and washed up?

Larios defeated Isreal Vasquez by 12th round TKO in 2002 and had a nice World Title run untill December 2005. Larios was one of the better fighters, untill he was Ko'd in 4 rounds by the same Vasquez he previously knocked out, then lost by decision to Pacman.

He has been in a lot of Wars!

So yes, he's washed up, he's last 2 fights he couldn't KO guys with horrible records and almost lost versus 6-3 Cid .

[geppy]

He has been in a lot of Wars!

So yes, he's washed up, he's last 2 fights he couldn't KO guys with horrible records and almost lost versus 6-3 Cid .

Fair enough, Larios has been a pro since he was 17 years old and he is now 30. Larios has been in many slugfests ,and it has taken its toll. But even at Larios's very best, he could never beat Linares could he? Even in his prime he would of been owned?

[WestSideBoxer]

Yep Rafa is good but I think he can't defeat WBA super bantam champ, Celestino "The Towering Inferno" Caballero ... Caballero already annihilated the other super bantam champ before, WBO's Daniel Ponce De Leon... Also Rafa is already 32 years old ...

At super bantam, IMO Caballero is the man...

I think Rafa has all the tools to bring down that Tower.

It should be an interesting fight.

[WestSideBoxer]

Fair enough, Larios has been a pro since he was 17 years old and he is now 30. Larios has been in many slugfests ,and it has taken its toll. But even at Larios's very best, he could never beat Linares could he? Even in his prime he would of been owned?

I don't know abou that.

Larios looked better with Linares than in his 2 previous fights.

But i think Linares has what it takes to beat a Prime Larios.

[mad_takamura]

He's not Philipino, he's always praising Eastern European Boxers.

The Phillipines have great boxers and tradition, they even have a Pancho Villa

Boom Boom Bautista,

Donaire look very good

o and also

AJ Banal and also my idol z gorres is not out of the picture too

[Luzon]

The Pinoy vs. Mexico WC is pretty even on talent. AJ Banals record looks like hes a rookie compared to who he is fighting. I know he is good but why are they throwing him in with ranked fighters right away for elimenators. We have some Pinoy jorneymen facing Mexican journeymen as well before the main cards.