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Alex Brown in London
July 20, 2007
BOXING'S longest-reigning world champion, Joe Calzaghe, would rather move weight divisions than accept a fight against Anthony Mundine, whom he considers "not a real world champion".
Calzaghe's stinging assessment will hit Mundine harder than any physical blow the Welshman could have unleashed. Mundine claimed the WBA super-middleweight title, vacated after Mikkel Kessler's ascension to super champion status, by defeating Sam Soliman in impressive fashion in March. He had hoped to fight the winner of the Calzaghe-Kessler world title bout, set for November 3 at Cardiff's Millennium Stadium.
Calzaghe, though, said he would prefer to move up to the light heavyweight division for a possible shot at Bernard Hopkins, rather than face Mundine. "I don't see a fight with Mundine happening," Calzaghe told the Herald. "All I'm thinking about at the moment is beating Kessler, and once I do that, I'm looking for big fights - maybe in America.
"Mundine isn't really a world champion anyway, not if you don't take all the bullshit politics and super champion stuff seriously. Besides, Kessler has already travelled to Australia and beaten him, so why, after I beat Kessler, would I take a lesser fight?"
If the rest of the boxing world share Calzaghe's opinion, Mundine may be hard-pressed to attract high-profile opponents in the future. Geographic isolation, a relatively small pay-per-view audience in Australia and Mundine's 22-3 record all appear to be impediments to the Man luring big-name opponents.
Mundine's saving grace may come in the form of Kessler. Though the Dane has indicated a reluctance to fight Mundine again - having won a unanimous points decision over him two years ago in Sydney - WBA rules stipulate that Mundine, should he still hold his title, is entitled to a shot at Kessler within 18 months of his ascension to super champion status. Kessler also holds the WBC super-middleweight belt.
"Mundine's a good fighter, but he's not a big name in the world of boxing," Calzaghe added. "He's not a big name outside Australia. For me, it would be a backward step."
Calzaghe's suggestion of shifting weight divisions, and perhaps venturing to the US, is intriguing. The one criticism made of the 35-year-old over the course of his career has been his unwillingness to fight away from home. Indeed, he has fought outside the UK only twice in his 43-fight career, and never beyond Europe.
Should Calzaghe go abroad after the Kessler bout, the interest of a curious American public is sure to be piqued, and coffers will presumably overflow.
"I've fought everyone there is to in this division, and I've beaten them all," he said. "I'm looking for new challenges after I beat Kessler. Hopkins is a possibility, but we'll see how it goes."
In the meantime, the boxing world is eagerly awaiting the showdown between the two undefeated super-middleweights. Kessler is widely considered the only fighter capable of dethroning Calzaghe. "I will put everything into this fight," Calzaghe said. "I will be unbeatable."
Dr Gonzo
07-19-2007, 07:52 PM
Wow talk about a reality check for Mundine.
With that said, i cant wait until Kessler crams his fist down Calzaghe's throat.
prasake
07-19-2007, 08:09 PM
i dont think joe has said anything that the boxing fans dont know anyway - truth is, a fight with mundine holds very little for joe and at this stage of his career, he is only looking to fry big fish and get massive paydays and exposure - mundine cant offer this.
Dr Gonzo
07-19-2007, 08:19 PM
i dont think joe has said anything that the boxing fans dont know anyway - truth is, a fight with mundine holds very little for joe and at this stage of his career, he is only looking to fry big fish and get massive paydays and exposure - mundine cant offer this.
Yeah fighting Mundine would be high risk low reward for JC. With that said i dont think i would enjoy seeing him fight Hopkins either. JC vs Chad Dawson would awesome on the other hand
IrnBruMan
07-19-2007, 08:27 PM
He's right in saying Mundine isn't a big name on the world scene - that's why non-Australians only know him as the guy who mouthed off about 9/11, and the guy the feather-fisted Ottke KTFO, even though that was 5 years ago.
He's never fought in the US - the closest he came was when he fought Pompey in Canada on an undercard.
Truth be told, I think he's avoided the US - Mundine is happy to be the big fish in the little pond, knowing he'll get $$$ for fighting nobodies down under and sounding off about what he's going to do to keep the publicity happening.
Yeah JC looking for the big fights :-( Sakio Bika and Manfredo.
That said, i agree a Mundine fight would not be on the cards if he beats Kessler. Hopkins is the natural choice in the states
deram
07-19-2007, 09:43 PM
"Though the Dane has indicated a reluctance to fight Mundine again"
Extremely poor journalism...
Kessler has offered Mundine the fight twice and Mundine could have said he wanted purse bids twice since they fought. Both times, Mundine did not want any piece o Kessler. That journalist should be fired fo incompetence.
Regarding the JC-AM fight - if JC beats Kessler, then Calzaghe-Mundien would make zero sense since Joe just beat the guy who clearly beat Mundine. If Calzaghe looses then maybe they could fight to see who is no. 2. But if Joe wins then Mundine is clear no. 3 and thats about it.
IrnBruMan
07-19-2007, 10:32 PM
"Though the Dane has indicated a reluctance to fight Mundine again"
Extremely poor journalism...
Kessler has offered Mundine the fight twice and Mundine could have said he wanted purse bids twice since they fought. Both times, Mundine did not want any piece o Kessler. That journalist should be fired fo incompetence.
Regarding the JC-AM fight - if JC beats Kessler, then Calzaghe-Mundien would make zero sense since Joe just beat the guy who clearly beat Mundine. If Calzaghe looses then maybe they could fight to see who is no. 2. But if Joe wins then Mundine is clear no. 3 and thats about it.
Agreed - it's like that article some time ago that said Mundine lost his WBA SMW title to Siaca and then regained it vs Soliman - that suggests Kessler had somehow lost it inbetween, instead of being elevated to superchamp status.
I think JC will be moving up to LHW if he beats Kessler, or retiring if he loses to Kessler.
Dr Gonzo
07-19-2007, 10:35 PM
Agreed - it's like that article some time ago that said Mundine lost his WBA SMW title to Siaca and then regained it vs Soliman - that suggests Kessler had somehow lost it inbetween, instead of being elevated to superchamp status.
I think JC will be moving up to LHW if he beats Kessler, or retiring if he loses to Kessler.
i'd like to see them both move up no matter the outcome - breathe some new life into LHW.
Dont look good for mundine at all. The only way he's gonna get a big fight now is for him to sacrifice a massive paycheque :S
i'd like to see them both move up no matter the outcome - breathe some new life into LHW.
Yeah both will move up no doubt.
Briggs and Green better get a move on and get a shot at titles before these 2 superstars take over the LHW division.
It's good that JC is talking about him.
Mundine is a high risk low reward fight.
Marcus
07-19-2007, 11:02 PM
It's good that JC is talking about him.
Mundine is a high risk low reward fight.
I knew you would see this as a positive Teke, and you are right, at least he is talking about him, even though its smack talk :bbb
I knew you would see this as a positive Teke, and you are right, at least he is talking about him, even though its smack talk :bbbI remember reading an article from him about Ottke in similar fashion in 2001.. Anyway Mundine just has to keep beating decent fighters and he'll get his title fight one day.
I remember reading an article from him about Ottke in similar fashion in 2001.. Anyway Mundine just has to keep beating decent fighters and he'll get his title fight one day.
yeah if he keeps fighting quality guys like niveas he'll get there.........................NOT
I bet he regrets the nievas fight now :D
Peterp
07-20-2007, 12:40 AM
Calgazhe is only after big name big money fights
yeah if he keeps fighting quality guys like niveas he'll get there.........................NOTwho said Nievas was quality.
Mundine can beat JC :deal
who said Nievas was quality.
Mundine can beat JC :deal
Who said Neivas was quality? I might as well just copy and paste my ignore list and that would pretty much sum it up right there. Heaps of nut huggers on here did. Apparently he is a better and more experienced fighter then Jason Delisle, Paul Murdoch and Rick Thornbury. A real world beater with an iron chin...... Anyway, out of curiosity Teke what makes you believe that Mundine can beat JC? Is it the fact that he has never fought a top southpaw? Or the fact that he has a slower workrate? Or that JC has never fought anyone on Mundines level? How exactly do you see Mundine beating JC?
I think that JC is spot on. He is at the tail end of his career and is looking at building his legacy. Why would he fight Mundine for, when he has Taylor/Pavlik, Hopkins, Dawson, Wright or Kessler. Then again that said why would you fight Peter Manfredo or Sakio Bika when you have a whole host of top names available is beyond me also. I wouldn't rule out Mundine getting a shot entirely. If he does JC will thoroughly beat him. JC is all wrong for Mundine. If he uses that Turtle Shell defense JC will just bombard him with combination punches.
Dr Gonzo
07-20-2007, 01:07 AM
I think that JC is spot on. He is at the tail end of his career and is looking at building his legacy. Why would he fight Mundine for, when he has Taylor/Pavlik, Hopkins, Dawson, Wright or Kessler. Then again that said why would you fight Peter Manfredo or Sakio Bika when you have a whole host of top names available is beyond me also. I wouldn't rule out Mundine getting a shot entirely. If he does JC will thoroughly beat him. JC is all wrong for Mundine. If he uses that Turtle Shell defense JC will just bombard him with combination punches.
Mundine will go down from the sheer volume of body punches JC throws :!:
Mundine will go down from the sheer volume of body punches JC throws :!:
My thoughts exactly. I think Mundine will go the distance though. He will most probably just let himself get out worked though like against Kessler, because he doesn't possess the offensive skills to trouble or hurt JC.
oztriker
07-20-2007, 03:06 AM
"Though the Dane has indicated a reluctance to fight Mundine again"
Extremely poor journalism...
Kessler has offered Mundine the fight twice and Mundine could have said he wanted purse bids twice since they fought. Both times, Mundine did not want any piece o Kessler. That journalist should be fired fo incompetence.
Regarding the JC-AM fight - if JC beats Kessler, then Calzaghe-Mundien would make zero sense since Joe just beat the guy who clearly beat Mundine. If Calzaghe looses then maybe they could fight to see who is no. 2. But if Joe wins then Mundine is clear no. 3 and thats about it.
Exactly........I have been saying the same thing for yonks.......but none of the fuckwit, dumbarse, retarded, nuthuggers, believed me.:lol: :lol:
oztriker
07-20-2007, 03:14 AM
Calzaghe: Choc isn't a real world champion
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July 20, 2007
BOXING'S longest-reigning world champion, Joe Calzaghe, would rather move weight divisions than accept a fight against Anthony Mundine, whom he considers "not a real world champion".:lol: :lol: :lol:
Calzaghe's stinging assessment will hit Mundine harder than any physical blow the Welshman could have unleashed. Mundine claimed the WBA super-middleweight title, vacated after Mikkel Kessler's ascension to super champion status, by defeating Sam Soliman in impressive fashion in March. He had hoped to fight the winner of the Calzaghe-Kessler world title bout, set for November 3 at Cardiff's Millennium Stadium.
Calzaghe, though, said he would prefer to move up to the light heavyweight division for a possible shot at Bernard Hopkins, rather than face Mundine. "I don't see a fight with Mundine happening," Calzaghe told the Herald. "All I'm thinking about at the moment is beating Kessler, and once I do that, I'm looking for big fights - maybe in America.
"Mundine isn't really a world champion anyway, :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl not if you don't take all the bullshit politics and super champion stuff seriously. Besides, Kessler has already travelled to Australia and beaten him, so why, after I beat Kessler, would I take a lesser fight?":yep :yep
If the rest of the boxing world share Calzaghe's opinion, Mundine may be hard-pressed to attract high-profile opponents in the future. Geographic isolation, a relatively small pay-per-view audience in Australia and Mundine's 22-3 record all appear to be impediments to the Man luring big-name opponents.:D
Mundine's saving grace may come in the form of Kessler. :huh - having won a unanimous points decision over him two years ago in Sydney - WBA rules stipulate that Mundine, should he still hold his title, is entitled to a shot at Kessler within 18 months of his ascension to super champion status. Kessler also holds the WBC super-middleweight belt.
"Mundine's a good fighter, but he's not a big name in the world of boxing," :yep Calzaghe added. "He's not a big name outside Australia. For me, it would be a backward step.":hey
Calzaghe's suggestion of shifting weight divisions, and perhaps venturing to the US, is intriguing. The one criticism made of the 35-year-old over the course of his career has been his unwillingness to fight away from home. Indeed, he has fought outside the UK only twice in his 43-fight career, and never beyond Europe.
Should Calzaghe go abroad after the Kessler bout, the interest of a curious American public is sure to be piqued, and coffers will presumably overflow.
"I've fought everyone there is to in this division, and I've beaten them all," he said. "I'm looking for new challenges after I beat Kessler. Hopkins is a possibility, but we'll see how it goes."
In the meantime, the boxing world is eagerly awaiting the showdown between the two undefeated super-middleweights. Kessler is widely considered the only fighter capable of dethroning Calzaghe. "I will put everything into this fight," Calzaghe said. "I will be unbeatable."
I am grinning from ear to ear........ :D
How sad for Choc:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I really feel for the Nuthuggers.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Poor Gavin.....He will be devestated.:D
Kegsy
07-20-2007, 03:15 AM
I am grinning from ear to ear........ :D
How sad for Choc:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I really feel for the Nuthuggers.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Poor Gavin.....He will be devestated.:D
Where are the nuthuggers now??:huh:huh:hey
CarltonBlues
07-20-2007, 03:29 AM
I thought Mundine had already he turned him down twice according to ******, sounds like they're full of shit.
EelsRule
07-20-2007, 03:39 AM
Everything Joe said is true and fair enough. Why would he fight Mundine. I still think Mundine has aces up his sleave. He has money and a world title of sorts. Mundine doesnt need Joe to make a name for himself. In actual fact Joe probably is on his last legs anyway. Mundine needs to get his ahole over to the states and take on some of their garbage like Lacy, etc. He will eventually get a rematch with Kessler and that will be his career defining fight. Between then and now he can fight plenty of good guys, get exposure and gain some interest from the big American names.
Its this simple all you rednecks, Mundine makes it happen if he wants to. Dont think Joseph Calzaghe controls Mundines career. Mundine is in control, this is the man who shot Fenech down before he had a single fight, Don King down when he was offered big stuff after a dozen fights and $500 000 league contracts.
So what if Joe goes up to LH. That probably means Mundine will fight Kessler for whatever titles are left over and establish himself in the manner he has always said he would. Its all happening.
Lead Right
07-20-2007, 06:05 AM
I think you will end up being devasted even more Oz. Lets face it, things have not gone as how you planned have they? And it will only get worse after Calzaghe-Kessler for you and all the haters.I am grinning from ear to ear........ :D
How sad for Choc:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I really feel for the Nuthuggers.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Poor Gavin.....He will be devestated.:D
IrnBruMan
07-20-2007, 07:45 AM
I am grinning from ear to ear........ :D
How sad for Choc:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I really feel for the Nuthuggers.:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Poor Gavin.....He will be devestated.:D
:lol: :lol: :lol:
IrnBruMan
07-20-2007, 07:46 AM
I think you will end up being devasted even more Oz. Lets face it, things have not gone as how you planned have they? And it will only get worse after Calzaghe-Kessler for you and all the haters.
Geez you post a load of shite, you faggot fairy wannabe tool :lol:
oztriker
07-20-2007, 07:51 AM
I think you will end up being devasted even more Oz. Lets face it, things have not gone as how you planned have they? And it will only get worse after Calzaghe-Kessler for you and all the haters.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
IrnBruMan
07-20-2007, 08:03 AM
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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shanemfr
07-20-2007, 10:03 AM
The article is so untrue...he considers Mundine not a real world champ...when it's a fact he aint a real one, i'm starting to like this lad, taking on Kessler when i didn't think he would and telling how it is with Munwho?.
CarltonBlues
07-20-2007, 08:12 PM
Calazaghe has to be the biggest wanker in boxing. He bitched for years that nobody wanted to fight him because he's not American and now he rips on Mundine saying he's a nobody because he's an Aussie.
I hope Kessler kicks his overrated arse.
T.C.W
07-20-2007, 09:59 PM
If the money is there they could fight, It is all about money.
CarltonBlues
07-20-2007, 10:26 PM
If the money is there they could fight, It is all about money.
Who knows maybe by the time it comes around Mundine might be a big draw like Bika.
kessler will kick his Arse out of the Ring in the 2.0r 3.rountNah mate Kessler will loose
KO Boxing
07-21-2007, 01:40 AM
Mundine (and Nasser) replied in SMH the following day... Don't have the link (it's in the other aussie forum)
Some of youse will have field day with it, me thinks... :yep
I honestly think Team Mundine would love the chance to create a "feud" with Calzaghe. And jumped at the chance to reply. Although most here would think Mundine would be running away with his tail between his legs... Right?
;) :bbb
IrnBruMan
07-21-2007, 03:22 AM
Mundine (and Nasser) replied in SMH the following day... Don't have the link (it's in the other aussie forum)
Some of youse will have field day with it, me thinks... :yep
I honestly think Team Mundine would love the chance to create a "feud" with Calzaghe. And jumped at the chance to reply. Although most here would think Mundine would be running away with his tail between his legs... Right?
;) :bbb
I read that article
Funny how Mundine felt the need to trashtalk in response to Calzaghe's factual statement...defensive anybody? :think :yep
ashley
07-21-2007, 03:58 AM
This looks like Joe is putting the vibe out in the market place to see if he can get any hype from a possible Mundine fight. He would see it as an easy win and a good time filler because it takes time to book the big names.
If the market responds Joe will take the fight if the media goes quiet well Mundine will fight another Joe blow and the real Joe will be off to the USA.
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