View Full Version : the mayorga that blew out forrest vs miguel cotto
good right hand
06-19-2007, 09:13 PM
i think this would be a pretty decent match up. mayorga took alot from the bigger trinidad before being stopped at a higher weight.
mayorga crude but he could hurt cotto if cotto was hurt by chop chop
Cotto by decision, at least Cotto has more skill.
Damm good call. I was thinking about this fight a few weeks back and didnt post it. It would be a great fight.
I think Cotto takes it, because of his sustained body attack. The Mayorga that blew out Forrest did so because he took Forest out of his element. I think Cotto is calm enough to wither that, and bang the body, and eventually get a late stoppage.
ssabripo
06-19-2007, 09:16 PM
you are really reaching....lol
Cotto took arguably one of the hardest and fastest punchers at 147 and KTFO'd him. What makes you think that a wild punching guy like Mayorga will have a better chance?
I love how people keep going back to the stone age to pull things out as arguments :yep
RAMPAGE0017
06-19-2007, 09:18 PM
Cotto doesn't hit as hard as Trinidad, and Mayorga was eating a lot of good shots by Tito. I don't think Cotto's chin would hold up to a lot of Mayorga's power. Mayorga may be sloppy, but he'd have a better chance at beating him than people think.
The Mayorga that blew away Forrest could, anyway.. I don't know what Mayorga's like these days.
Cotto doesn't hit as hard as Trinidad, and Mayorga was eating a lot of good shots by Tito. I don't think Cotto's chin would hold up to a lot of Mayorga's power. Mayorga may be sloppy, but he'd have a better chance at beating him than people think.
The Mayorga that blew away Forrest could, anyway.. I don't know what Mayorga's like these days.
Yes but this wouldnt be about his chin, it would be about his body.
RAMPAGE0017
06-19-2007, 09:21 PM
Yes but this wouldnt be about his chin, it would be about his body.
..Trinidad was no stranger to the body.
CASH_718
06-19-2007, 09:23 PM
you are really reaching....lol
Cotto took arguably one of the hardest and fastest punchers at 147 and KTFO'd him. What makes you think that a wild punching guy like Mayorga will have a better chance?
I love how people keep going back to the stone age to pull things out as arguments :yepMaybe because Mayorga is bigger and stronger and hits a ton and has(had) and rock chin. It's called styles my friend Forrest beat Mosley then got laid out by Mayorga.
good right hand
06-19-2007, 09:23 PM
you are really reaching....lol
Cotto took arguably one of the hardest and fastest punchers at 147 and KTFO'd him. What makes you think that a wild punching guy like Mayorga will have a better chance?
I love how people keep going back to the stone age to pull things out as arguments :yep
i think its pretty legit,
forrest beat shane mosley (who was arguably thee hardest and fastest puncher... p4p at the time) and beat him twice. forest was rivaling roy jones as the pound for pound number 1 at the time.
mayorga smoked him in three rounds
mayorga may not have won but he could have did something if they ever fought
..Trinidad was no stranger to the body.
Very true, but he became a head hunter against Mayorga.
BoxingGuru
06-19-2007, 09:25 PM
No contest. Cotto by knockout to the body. Mayorga has never been punished as much as he would be that night.
Tu papa
06-19-2007, 09:27 PM
..Trinidad was no stranger to the body.
Well, the first body punch he threw that landed put Mayorga on his ass. That was the first kd.
Cotto would be hitting that body at 00:01 of the first round. I think it would have ended in about 4 rds, Cotto Ko Mayorga body shots.
RAMPAGE0017
06-19-2007, 09:28 PM
Very true, but he became a head hunter against Mayorga.
Point taken, but I still wouldn't count Mayorga out that easily. Mayorga has been taken too litely by people since his losing to Trinidad and DLH. He was still a real tough guy who could pack a hard punch.
Point taken, but I still wouldn't count Mayorga out that easily. Mayorga has been taken too litely by people since his losing to Trinidad and DLH. He was still a real tough guy who could pack a hard punch.
No your right, at 147 he was a damm good fighter, with balls and a chin, and he also carried his power much better than at 154lbs.
joito3
06-19-2007, 09:32 PM
..Trinidad was no stranger to the body.
actually trinidad head hunted the entire night up until the last two rounds the 7th and 8th he started landing some mean body shots and that is what did Mayorga in ! It wasn't the devestating head shots that took mayorga out against tito it was the body shots that tito didn't even throw until the 7th and 8th !
roy jones mentioned it also that had tito invested in the body from the beginning that the fight would have been 10 times easier for him !
thewoo
06-19-2007, 09:37 PM
Anybody who saw the trinidad fight knows that Trinidad barley tapped the body that whole fight. The minute he did, Mayorga was down. Cotto would work it from the opening bell until Mayorga was left on the canvass. Cotto by KO in a slugfest.
knockout
06-19-2007, 09:39 PM
this would be a hell of a fight but i think cotto takes it ud cuz he has better skills.
Carlos Primera
06-19-2007, 09:45 PM
Good match up as i'm a fan of both guys. Hard to pick a winner here because mayorga, crude as he may be, is one tough/rugged guy. Dude was one of the hardest punchers p4p in '02-03 when he was at welter. There's also the fact that cotto's been rocked by chop chop, torres, judah etc.. none of whom bring the heat mayorga packs. But then again, from the judah and torres fights, cotto showed a lot of grit and veteran savy, digging deep and stopping his man. Mayorga is'nt exactly known for his stamina so i'd probably say cotto makes adjustments against the wild swinging mayorga and win by late stoppage or decision after a scare in the early rounds.
Speak.King
06-19-2007, 09:46 PM
Mayorga is crap! He caught Vernon with some wild crazy unorthodox shit he wasn't expecting, from that point on even in the second fight vernon was intimidated and should have easily outboxed the bum.
i think this would be a pretty decent match up. mayorga took alot from the bigger trinidad before being stopped at a higher weight.
mayorga crude but he could hurt cotto if cotto was hurt by chop chop
I don't think this is close. Mayorga troubled Forrest because Forrest doesn't like fighting in close quarters, and Mayorga could come in wildly and walk through the Forrest jab to get inside. Against Cotto, he would have the wider more off balance punches, and I believe we would see something much like the Trinidad fight, only to a greater degree.
carras
06-19-2007, 11:40 PM
Cotto by late tko
Alo2006
06-20-2007, 12:43 AM
If Cotto try to come out and slug, Mayorga by KO.
Thinman
06-20-2007, 01:02 AM
actually trinidad head hunted the entire night up until the last two rounds the 7th and 8th he started landing some mean body shots and that is what did Mayorga in ! It wasn't the devestating head shots that took mayorga out against tito it was the body shots that tito didn't even throw until the 7th and 8th !
roy jones mentioned it also that had tito invested in the body from the beginning that the fight would have been 10 times easier for him !
Yes, It would have been easier for Tito if he had done that, but this fight was at 160 not at 147. Mayorga who fought Tito at 160 was not even close in physical conditions than the Mayorga who fought Forrest at 147. Forrest fought the best of Mayorga when Mayorga was in his best physical conditions and his best weightclass,
Mayorga did not have the skills to beat Forest, but he did it.
Do you think that Cotto would have defeated Forrest at that time? How do you think Cotto woud have performed if he had fought Tito at 160?
errsta
06-20-2007, 01:09 AM
Mayorga did great against fighters that headhunted. Cotto would not make that mistake. As soon as Mayorga stopped and stuck out his chin, he'd feel a thud on his kidney.
Even now, I would LOVE to see this fight
des3995
01-10-2011, 01:00 AM
Mayorga did great against fighters that headhunted. Cotto would not make that mistake. As soon as Mayorga stopped and stuck out his chin, he'd feel a thud on his kidney.
Even now, I would LOVE to see this fight
How about now?
charlie brown
01-10-2011, 01:09 AM
Prime Mayorga vs. Prime Cotto would be a SICK fight.
Mayorga was such a fucking beast at 147... His skills may not have been first class, but as we all know, skills alone do not a champion make. Mayorga had other assets that elevated his game way beyond other supremely gifted athletes. These include brutal power, fast feet, good reflexes, tremendous chin, unquestionable heart, and HUGE BALLS. The kind of balls you bow down before. The kind of balls that will beat many top opponents of today into submission.
After he was robbed against Spinks, Mayorga lost his passion for boxing. What a shame.
Personally, I would have the early 2000's Mayorga who trained hard enough to make 147 (Cruz, Lewis, Forrest twice, Spinks) to bruise up Miguel and stop him late. Just an all around horrible matchup for Cotto IMO.
Prime for Prime, Mayorga UD or mid-late TKO. Anything other then primes, and I think Cottos skills and dedication take over and he is able to win a decision against Ricardo.
When considering these two fighters, I have it as such.
Prime Mayorga > Prime Cotto
Any other Mayorga < Any other Cotto
Also, legacy and all time standing obviously goes to Cotto.
Two of my fav fighters of all time. Cant wait for the press cons.
Prime Mayorga vs. Prime Cotto would be a SICK fight.
Mayorga was such a fucking beast at 147... His skills may not have been first class, but as we all know, skills alone do not a champion make. Mayorga had other assets that elevated his game way beyond other supremely gifted athletes. These include brutal power, fast feet, good reflexes, tremendous chin, unquestionable heart, and HUGE BALLS. The kind of balls you bow down before. The kind of balls that will beat many top opponents of today into submission.
After he was robbed against Spinks, Mayorga lost his passion for boxing. What a shame.
Very good post....
I remember reading before the spinks fight in a Mayorga interview how he wanted to retire soon, he said he had been fighting his whole life and he wants to hang them up and spend time with his family (not something normally coming from Mayorga, I know)
I think that was one of the last fights he came in with an honest to God hunger.... and its no surprise it was his last fight at welterweight.
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