View Full Version : Talking points memo: Mayweather loosing grip on reality
BigReg
06-05-2008, 12:40 PM
Floyd Mayweather Jr. is arguably the most talented boxer on the planet. However, his recent mainstream and financial success has seemed to separate him from reality. In a recent article on another boxing website, Mayweather reiterated that he does not feel that Cotto brings enough money to the table in order to warrant a fight between the two. His advisor, Leonard Ellerbe, talked about how Mayweather wants to gain more mainstream success. Mayweather ended by once again claiming that he's the greatest of all time and spouted some non sensical drivel about Ray Robinson not being undefeated and not winning 6 titles in 5 weight classes as evidence to his claim that he's better than Robinson.
Let's get a few things straight about Mr. Mayweather. Number 1, he is a boxer. He only makes money because people want to see him fight. He's not wrestler, or a dancer, or a rapper, or a movie star. So if he wants to continue gaining mainstream success, he's going to need to continue fighting, and stop with all this other garbage. Number 2, Robinson fought over 200 times and fought in a era where there was only 8 divisions. Mayweather's undefeated record and championships in 5 divisions is impressive, but not enough to stake the claim that he's better than Robinson. Lastly, underneath it all, Mayweather may be one of the most talented boxers ever. However, it's not what's underneath, but what you do that defines you. If Mr. Mayweather wants to be defined as one of the greatest ever, he still has more work to do.
Mayweather says that he's the face of boxing. I agree. However, being the face of boxing about more than just being selfish and looking out only for your own interests. Being the face of boxing is about raising the profile of the sport. One of the best ways to do so is to promote young talent. There are many good young fighters between 147 and 154. They may not be big names, but they could become big names if a high profile fighter such as Mayweather gave them a chance. Mayweather could still make a lot of money off these fights as he is a good salesman. He knows how to promote a fight, and he could sell any fight to the public as long as he's taking on credible fighters. De La Hoya was the previous face of boxing. He got over many good young fighters by giving them a chance(including Mr. Mayweather). I think it's time that the new face of boxing do the same.
And that's the memo.
McGrain
06-05-2008, 12:49 PM
All this "not enough money" chat is one of two things.
1 - A blatant duck
2 - He's trying to make conditions more favourably for the negotiation.
If it turns out to be 1, he's a bum.
If it turns out to be 2, as I think, it'll be a great fight, and I pick Mayweather to win.
Hatesrats
06-05-2008, 01:03 PM
Great piece bro..
I defo agree Mayweather is his loosing grip on reality!
He belives his own press, Truth is he will never be a SSR, SRL or to a lesser degree ODLH. True, people want to watch him fight BUT not because they like him, But because they want to see him lose. Mayweather had a chance to become everything he could have in his boxing career but IMO he decided to go the other way by not fighting the BEST rather by fighting who he picked BEST instead. The # of fighter's Mayweather cheated us (The fans) on in a Vs. matchup with over the course of his career by far outshines his record. To be the best you have to fight the best of your era. Floyd has failed that & at 30 it won't get any better.
ChampionsForever
06-05-2008, 01:09 PM
If he beats DLH and then gives Hatton a rematch then he is'nt p4p #1 anymore, I don't give a fuck what anybody else says, you can't claim to be boxings best and not fight the best in your weight class.
BITCH ASS
06-05-2008, 01:16 PM
Good post by a good poster. Hopefully Mayweather is waiting for (Cotto) to get more public recognition, which he certainly should if he gives an outstanding performance in his next fight and it is highly publicized.
I think Mayweather is throwing his prime years down the drain chatting shit, he is more interested in being famous than a fighter. He has the skills to be the GOAT but doesnt seem to want to prove it, DLH and Hatton are good wins for him, but winning rematches means nothing.
Miguel Cotto is a huge name on boxing, it is complete bull that PbF says there isnt any money in it. Anybody who has ever watched boxing knows Mayweather - Cotto is the best fight the sport has to offer, its a multi million dollar superfight no doubt!
147/54 has some big fights, career defining, legacy securing fights other than Cotto, who wouldnt like to see Mayweather go against Forrest, Margarito, Clottey, even an old Shane Mosley!
Thread Stealer
06-05-2008, 01:18 PM
Mayweather claiming Cotto isn't big money is nonsense. Cotto isn't just as big of a payday as a rematch with De La Hoya.
I don't blame him (or any fighter) on a personal level for going after the bigger payday, it's what most people would do, but it is what it is. A lousy rematch which will do very little for his all-time standing, and a fight that hardcore fans for the most part are unhappy with.
Good post by a good poster. Hopefully Mayweather is waiting for (Cotto) to get more public recognition, which he certainly should if he gives an outstanding performance in his next fight and it is highly publicized.
True Cotto - Margo is a mega fight on its own, definetaly the figt of 2008, I cant see how the World Welterweight Champion can ignore a winner of a match like that.
Thread Stealer
06-05-2008, 01:20 PM
Good post by a good poster. Hopefully Mayweather is waiting for (Cotto) to get more public recognition, which he certainly should if he gives an outstanding performance in his next fight and it is highly publicized.
I think it'll happen in 2009, should both guys remain undefeated, but they both have to represent the biggest payday for each other.
If Mayweather went after Cotto right now, I think we'd just end up getting Cotto-De La Hoya anyway.
jecxbox
06-05-2008, 01:24 PM
Floyd Mayweather Jr. is arguably the most talented boxer on the planet. However, his recent mainstream and financial success has seemed to separate him from reality. In a recent article on another boxing website, Mayweather reiterated that he does not feel that Cotto brings enough money to the table in order to warrant a fight between the two. His advisor, Leonard Ellerbe, talked about how Mayweather wants to gain more mainstream success. Mayweather ended by once again claiming that he's the greatest of all time and spouted some non sensical drivel about Ray Robinson not being undefeated and not winning 6 titles in 5 weight classes as evidence to his claim that he's better than Robinson.
Let's get a few things straight about Mr. Mayweather. Number 1, he is a boxer. He only makes money because people want to see him fight. He's not wrestler, or a dancer, or a rapper, or a movie star. So if he wants to continue gaining mainstream success, he's going to need to continue fighting, and stop with all this other garbage. Number 2, Robinson fought over 200 times and fought in a era where there was only 8 divisions. Mayweather's undefeated record and championships in 5 divisions is impressive, but not enough to stake the claim that he's better than Robinson. Lastly, underneath it all, Mayweather may be one of the most talented boxers ever. However, it's not what's underneath, but what you do that defines you. If Mr. Mayweather wants to be defined as one of the greatest ever, he still has more work to do.
Mayweather says that he's the face of boxing. I agree. However, being the face of boxing about more than just being selfish and looking out only for your own interests. Being the face of boxing is about raising the profile of the sport. One of the best ways to do so is to promote young talent. There are many good young fighters between 147 and 154. They may not be big names, but they could become big names if a high profile fighter such as Mayweather gave them a chance. Mayweather could still make a lot of money off these fights as he is a good salesman. He knows how to promote a fight, and he could sell any fight to the public as long as he's taking on credible fighters. De La Hoya was the previous face of boxing. He got over many good young fighters by giving them a chance(including Mr. Mayweather). I think it's time that the new face of boxing do the same.
And that's the memo.
:yep
Hatesrats
06-05-2008, 01:36 PM
IMO, if you place Cotto in a PPV Vs. a contender
it would outsell Mayweather Vs. a contender
(& Not a household name contender)
That would put to rest all this not generating $ BS.
Floyd is protecting his "0" it's all he has at this point.
A fighter like Miguel don't care about losing, he will continue to fight regardless, where as an L would destroy Mayweather's Career & standing becasue of all the shit he has talked over the years about being the ATG, while always being accussed of ducking certain fighter's, for PBF to lose to them now would be a sad thing because clearly if Mayweather was going to beat a Cotto it would have been before now. @ 30 and beyond he is putting himself in more risk.
Thread Stealer
06-05-2008, 01:40 PM
IMO, if you place Cotto in a PPV Vs. a contender
it would outsell Mayweather Vs. a contender
(& Not a household name contender)
I don't see it, not at this point. Mayweather has put up much better PPV numbers than Cotto.
Cotto-Mosley was reported by Bob Arum as 400k, while other reports had it in the 340-360 range. I believe the other reports over Mr. "Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth". Cotto-Judah did less than 200k.
By contrast, Mayweather-Gatti and Maywather-Judah both did in the mid 300s, and Mayweather-Baldomir did 325k.
And that was before Mayweather fought DLH and started Dancing With the Stars.
Cotto might become a bigger PPV draw but it'll take some time.
was it not proven that cotto/gomez (if thats the last person he fought), was one of the lowest ppv numbers in a long time?
mayweather is doing the smart thing (im not much of a pbf fan btw), he's letting cotto do the hard work - make his name, then fight him when it truly solidifies each others legacy.
either way - i really cant see pbf losing.
Thread Stealer
06-05-2008, 02:38 PM
was it not proven that cotto/gomez (if thats the last person he fought), was one of the lowest ppv numbers in a long time?
mayweather is doing the smart thing (im not much of a pbf fan btw), he's letting cotto do the hard work - make his name, then fight him when it truly solidifies each others legacy.
either way - i really cant see pbf losing.
Cotto-Gomez was on regular HBO, but yeah, it did poor ratings.
Spitbucket
06-05-2008, 02:40 PM
PBF-Gomez would have done no better!
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 02:49 PM
Fraud is a shameless ducker, some of us have known this for years. . . its good to see that most true boxing fans see it clearly now.
Pimp C
06-05-2008, 03:08 PM
Good post by a good poster. Hopefully Mayweather is waiting for (Cotto) to get more public recognition, which he certainly should if he gives an outstanding performance in his next fight and it is highly publicized.
Hopefully Cotto-Margo does good numbers like 600K buys or more so he will see the the winner can bring big money to the table.
Pimp C
06-05-2008, 03:09 PM
IMO, if you place Cotto in a PPV Vs. a contender
it would outsell Mayweather Vs. a contender
(& Not a household name contender)
That would put to rest all this not generating $ BS.
Floyd is protecting his "0" it's all he has at this point.
A fighter like Miguel don't care about losing, he will continue to fight regardless, where as an L would destroy Mayweather's Career & standing becasue of all the shit he has talked over the years about being the ATG, while always being accussed of ducking certain fighter's, for PBF to lose to them now would be a sad thing because clearly if Mayweather was going to beat a Cotto it would have been before now. @ 30 and beyond he is putting himself in more risk.
Wrong explain why PBF-Zab did more buys than Cotto-Zab and Cotto-Gomez was the lowest HBO card of all time..:deal Cotto isn't a big draw except to Puerto Ricans and boxing fans. He's an unknown to casual sport fans and the general public
Spitbucket
06-05-2008, 03:20 PM
Hopefully Cotto-Margo does good numbers like 600K buys or more so he will see the the winner can bring big money to the table.
You worry so much about Floyd's income you're starting to sound like his bitch.
And you wonder why he gets no respect(or you for that matter):patsch
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 03:24 PM
You worry so much about Floyd's income you're starting to sound like his bitch.
And you wonder why he gets no respect:patsch
PimpC is the biggest Fraud Groupie on this forum.
Never mind the fact that Fraud turned down 8 mil and free agency for so called "easy work".
Simple truth is Fraud seeks the path of least resistance, Cotto could offer Fraud 1 mil more than Hatton . . . and Fraud will choose Hatton.
Pimp C
06-05-2008, 03:25 PM
You worry so much about Floyd's income you're starting to sound like his bitch.
And you wonder why he gets no respect(or you for that matter):patsch
PBF is at the end of his career he's trying to maximize his earnings. I want PBF-Cotto to happen today but I'm telling you he won't fight him until he proves he's a PPV star.:deal And that means the Cotto-Margo fight must do big numbers atleast 500K or 600K or Cotto hasn't proved he is a star just yet.
Pimp C
06-05-2008, 03:28 PM
PimpC is the biggest Fraud Groupie on this forum.
Never mind the fact that Fraud turned down 8 mil and free agency for so called "easy work".
Simple truth is Fraud seeks the path of least resistance, Cotto could offer Fraud 1 mil more than Hatton . . . and Fraud will choose Hatton.
He turned down 8 mil for free agency for a shot at Oscar and a fight against the linear champ at 147 for more money.:deal Arum wasn't going to get a fight with Oscar for big money so he bought him out. What part of your rabbit ass mind doesn't get that?:deal
Not to mention if Cotto could guarantee 1 mil more than Hatton he would be all over that like a cheap suit.
Spitbucket
06-05-2008, 03:32 PM
Do yourself a favor.
Pay close attention to PacDbest's posts and then put a mirror to yourself.
That's how bad it is:deal
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 04:08 PM
He turned down 8 mil for free agency for a shot at Oscar and a fight against the linear champ at 147 for more money.:deal Arum wasn't going to get a fight with Oscar for big money so he bought him out. What part of your rabbit ass mind doesn't get that?:deal
Not to mention if Cotto could guarantee 1 mil more than Hatton he would be all over that like a cheap suit.
8 mil plus free agency, meaning he could have signed the DLH fight as a free agent - thus avoiding the percentage he paid Goosen.
In short, he ended up leaving money on the table in order to duck AM. Weve been over this b4, but you are such a pathetic groupie you choose to be ignorant.
Go on and suck up to that yellow belly coward, says alot about you.
raymann
06-05-2008, 04:43 PM
these are tough times financially for everyone all over the world. is it just me, or is hearing someone who is making this money by shortchanging US, a little hard to swallow. any other sport/walk of life this would have already happened by now.
as for comparing himself to SRR, its worth remembering that the reason SRR fought LaMotta so many times is that neither one would take mafia money for a dive so they had no one else to fight.
now thats a champion.
Thread Stealer
06-05-2008, 04:49 PM
these are tough times financially for everyone all over the world. is it just me, or is hearing someone who is making this money by shortchanging US, a little hard to swallow. any other sport/walk of life this would have already happened by now.
as for comparing himself to SRR, its worth remembering that the reason SRR fought LaMotta so many times is that neither one would take mafia money for a dive so they had no one else to fight.
now thats a champion.
Times were different then. Guys for the most part had to fight more often because they weren't getting paid as much.
I have little doubt that Ray Robinson, someone very business-minded who said he never enjoyed the sport, would be going after the big paydays and enjoying a fat HBO contract. He was a terrific negotiator.
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 04:51 PM
Times were different then. Guys for the most part had to fight more often because they weren't getting paid as much.
I have little doubt that Ray Robinson, someone very business-minded who said he never enjoyed the sport, would be going after the big paydays and enjoying a fat HBO contract. He was a terrific negotiator.
please shut the fukc up, to suggest that SRR would be a ducking coward like Fraud is just stupid.
Shane had the same opportunity and he chose to fight all the best, so get lost with your bullshiit theory.
Thread Stealer
06-05-2008, 05:05 PM
please shut the fukc up, to suggest that SRR would be a ducking coward like Fraud is just stupid.
Oh yes, Robinson would sure be looking to fight the best and not looking for the biggest payday.
"I'm too pretty to fight Charley Burley"
"Give me $25,000 to fight Burley".
"Wait, double that, give me $50,000 to fight Burley!"
"I never enjoyed boxing, it's all business for me"
Five minutes before the fight:
"I'm pulling out, I'm not getting rights for the fight in England. Give me the extra money or I won't fight".
Why yes, Robinson sure wouldn't be fighting the Fishnet again in Mayweather's situation!! It would only be about fighting the best.
:roll:
Shane had the same opportunity and he chose to fight all the best, so get lost with your bullshiit theory.
What does Shane have to do with anything?
One thing I can say about Robinson. I don't think he'd make excuses about a "toothache".
He wouldn't be getting bossed around by a tranny that he beat twice.
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 05:40 PM
Oh yes, Robinson would sure be looking to fight the best and not looking for the biggest payday.
"I'm too pretty to fight Charley Burley"
"Give me $25,000 to fight Burley".
"Wait, double that, give me $50,000 to fight Burley!"
"I never enjoyed boxing, it's all business for me"
Five minutes before the fight:
"I'm pulling out, I'm not getting rights for the fight in England. Give me the extra money or I won't fight".
Why yes, Robinson sure wouldn't be fighting the Fishnet again in Mayweather's situation!! It would only be about fighting the best.
:roll:
What does Shane have to do with anything?
One thing I can say about Robinson. I don't think he'd make excuses about a "toothache".
He wouldn't be getting bossed around by a tranny that he beat twice.
So no SRR is a ducker, just like Fraud. :nut
Get lost, nut-jockey
Shane is an example of a modern boxer who didnt duck anyone. Fraud is the opposite. :deal
Pimp C
06-05-2008, 05:40 PM
Do yourself a favor.
Pay close attention to PacDbest's posts and then put a mirror to yourself.
That's how bad it is:deal
And you and Ram are irrational PBF haters and have never once given him an ounce of respect. He's a top 30 ATG deal with it hater!:hi:
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 05:41 PM
And you and Ram are irrational PBF haters and have never once given him an ounce of respect. He's a top 30 ATG deal with it hater!:hi:
Wrong again, my nut-filled mouth friend.
I give Floyd props for his work at 135. . . since moving up in weight hes chosen the path of least resistance time and time again.
BENNY BLANCO
06-05-2008, 06:03 PM
I would'nt say Floyd has ducked Cotto, simply because Arum has never offered Floyd a deal to fight Cotto.
Relentless
06-05-2008, 06:13 PM
If Floyd is a big a draw as he says he is then why does he need cotto to be a draw? i thought floyd could sell 500k+ ppv's himself?
Pimp C
06-05-2008, 06:14 PM
I would'nt say Floyd has ducked Cotto, simply because Arum has never offered Floyd a deal to fight Cotto.
Exactly and that's what these dumbass fools fail to recognize. Tell Team Cotto to make an offer or STFU.
Pimp C
06-05-2008, 06:17 PM
If Floyd is a big a draw as he says he is then why does he need cotto to be a draw? i thought floyd could sell 500k+ ppv's himself?
He sold over 300K by himself against Baldo. He wants megafight money and you still need a big name opponent to have one. Hopefully Cotto-Margo will do good and the fight can be made early next year.
Relentless
06-05-2008, 06:21 PM
He sold over 300K by himself against Baldo. He wants megafight money and you still need a big name opponent to have one. Hopefully Cotto-Margo will do good and the fight can be made early next year.
So Cotto was a big enough draw at 140 but not now?
margo-cotto i doubt will sell much over 300k, margo does not have a big fan base and cotto is only a draw with the ricans.
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 06:21 PM
I would'nt say Floyd has ducked Cotto, simply because Arum has never offered Floyd a deal to fight Cotto.
Arum already played that game with Fraud, he knows when Fraud is in ducking mode.
Remember he was taking the entire year off? But now he wants DLH and Hatton in pointless rematches.
Their pointless unless you consider an excuse to duck the Cotto-AM winner a "point".
Pimp C
06-05-2008, 06:25 PM
So Cotto was a big enough draw at 140 but not now?
margo-cotto i doubt will sell much over 300k, margo does not have a big fan base and cotto is only a draw with the ricans.
PBF was not at the level he is now. He's had two mega paydays and wants only those type of fights to close out his career. Back then he would have taken the Cotto fight for a few mil now he wants 20 mil. So my question is how in the fuck can he be ducking someone he already mentioned fighting?:huh
Relentless
06-05-2008, 06:28 PM
I didn't say he ducked Cotto.
Floyd Mayweather Jr. is arguably the most talented boxer on the planet. However, his recent mainstream and financial success has seemed to separate him from reality. In a recent article on another boxing website, Mayweather reiterated that he does not feel that Cotto brings enough money to the table in order to warrant a fight between the two. His advisor, Leonard Ellerbe, talked about how Mayweather wants to gain more mainstream success. Mayweather ended by once again claiming that he's the greatest of all time and spouted some non sensical drivel about Ray Robinson not being undefeated and not winning 6 titles in 5 weight classes as evidence to his claim that he's better than Robinson.
Let's get a few things straight about Mr. Mayweather. Number 1, he is a boxer. He only makes money because people want to see him fight. He's not wrestler, or a dancer, or a rapper, or a movie star. So if he wants to continue gaining mainstream success, he's going to need to continue fighting, and stop with all this other garbage. Number 2, Robinson fought over 200 times and fought in a era where there was only 8 divisions. Mayweather's undefeated record and championships in 5 divisions is impressive, but not enough to stake the claim that he's better than Robinson. Lastly, underneath it all, Mayweather may be one of the most talented boxers ever. However, it's not what's underneath, but what you do that defines you. If Mr. Mayweather wants to be defined as one of the greatest ever, he still has more work to do.
Mayweather says that he's the face of boxing. I agree. However, being the face of boxing about more than just being selfish and looking out only for your own interests. Being the face of boxing is about raising the profile of the sport. One of the best ways to do so is to promote young talent. There are many good young fighters between 147 and 154. They may not be big names, but they could become big names if a high profile fighter such as Mayweather gave them a chance. Mayweather could still make a lot of money off these fights as he is a good salesman. He knows how to promote a fight, and he could sell any fight to the public as long as he's taking on credible fighters. De La Hoya was the previous face of boxing. He got over many good young fighters by giving them a chance(including Mr. Mayweather). I think it's time that the new face of boxing do the same.
And that's the memo.
This is an excellent post Reg. I commend you for taking this stance, you proved me wrong about you. :deal
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 06:34 PM
I didn't say he ducked Cotto.
Ill say it, he did duck Cotto. It was a pre-emptive duck.
WHen Merchant specifically asked about Cotto after the Fraud-Hatton fight. Fraid said he was taking 2008 off to promote. :lol:
Now he wants pointless rematches with DLH and Hatton.
Its clear that these rematches are a way of ducking Cotto and the winner of Cotto-AM.
Fraud wanted Cotto at 140 when he was still green and weight drained. After seeing Cotto beat and even outbox Shane at 147 - Fraud wants nothing to do with him.
Funny how Fraud wants Cotto at 140, not his best weight. . . and Hatton at 147, not his best weight. Just more examples of his path of least resistance.
Arum already played that game with Fraud, he knows when Fraud is in ducking mode.
Remember he was taking the entire year off? But now he wants DLH and Hatton in pointless rematches.
Their pointless unless you consider an excuse to duck the Cotto-AM winner a "point".
:lol:
So offering a fighter a contract to fight Cotto is playing a game? I love how you try to spin it. Arum needs to offer Floyd the fight or just shut the fuck up.
He is fighting DLH a 2nd time in a warm up fight. The Hatton rematch is all speculation.
BigReg
06-05-2008, 06:38 PM
If Floyd is a big a draw as he says he is then why does he need cotto to be a draw? i thought floyd could sell 500k+ ppv's himself?
Read my original post. I clearly indicated that he could do big numbers without fighting someone who is also a big draw. You have to sell these fights just like anything else. Floyd, Hatton and HBO did a great job of selling that fight. If you put Floyd, HBO, and Arum together along with a credible Arum fighter like the Margo/Cotto winner. That fight will be sold to the public with relative ease.
Pimp C
06-05-2008, 06:39 PM
Ill say it, he did duck Cotto. It was a pre-emptive duck.
WHen Merchant specifically asked about Cotto after the Fraud-Hatton fight. Fraid said he was taking 2008 off to promote. :lol:
Now he wants pointless rematches with DLH and Hatton.
Its clear that these rematches are a way of ducking Cotto and the winner of Cotto-AM.
Fraud wanted Cotto at 140 when he was still green and weight drained. After seeing Cotto beat and even outbox Shane at 147 - Fraud wants nothing to do with him.
Funny how Fraud wants Cotto at 140, not his best weight. . . and Hatton at 147, not his best weight. Just more examples of his path of least resistance.
And what the fuck did Cotto say about fighting PBF? "I'll fight whoever my promoter puts in front of me".:lol: He's never called out PBF and demanded a fight. What you fucks keep failing to realize is that it's Cotto's job as the challenger to make the offer and challenge PBF not the other way around PBF is the champ, Cotto wants what PBF has. Just like PBF called out Oscar and fought at 154 on his terms just like Hatton called out PBF and fought at 147 on PBF's terms, Cotto must do the same.:deal Why the exception for Cotto?
BigReg
06-05-2008, 06:40 PM
This is an excellent post Reg. I commend you for taking this stance, you proved me wrong about you. :deal
Thanks acb. I'm trying to bring more fair and balanced viewpoints to this forum.
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 06:40 PM
:lol:
So offering a fighter a contract to fight Cotto is playing a game? I love how you try to spin it. Arum needs to offer Floyd the fight or just shut the fuck up.
He is fighting DLH a 2nd time in a warm up fight. The Hatton rematch is all speculation.
Arum offered 8 mil plus free agency for "easy work" - Fraud ducked.
Why in the hell would he offer a Cotto fight to a coward who said in so many words on HBO that he wanted nothing to do with him?
Youre a sad excuse for a boxing fan.
Pimp C
06-05-2008, 06:41 PM
I didn't say he ducked Cotto.
You didn't but others have I was just asking a question.:good
Arum offered 8 mil plus free agency for "easy work" - Fraud ducked.
Why in the hell would he offer a Cotto fight to a coward who said in so many words on HBO that he wanted nothing to do with him?
Youre a sad excuse for a boxing fan.
Dude what exactly is your purpose for posting here if not to rehash this a million times?
Your making me a Floyd fan and I can't stand the man.
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 06:44 PM
Dude what exactly is your purpose for posting here if not to rehash this a million times?
Your making me a Floyd fan and I can't stand the man.
follow the thread, its a relevant point.
Pimp C
06-05-2008, 06:44 PM
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Funny how Fraud wants Cotto at 140, not his best weight. . . and Hatton at 147, not his best weight. Just more examples of his path of least resistance.
Funny how you fail to mention that PBF offered Hatton a fight at 140 back in 2005 when both were at 140 but was turned down twice just because it suits your bullshit agenda.:deal PBF wanted Cotto because there was no one else left to fight at 140 so why not fight a hot upcoming boxer like miguel at 140? PBF is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't
Thanks acb. I'm trying to bring more fair and balanced viewpoints to this forum.
Always thought you were a good poster reg, just though (maybe mistakenly) that you were tough on Shane yesterday but as I said I may have just read you wrong- wouldn't be the first time.
Anyways, glad your posting here and I would like to get back to doing the same, just find myself reacting more and more these days to stuff on here.
follow the thread, its a relevant point.
Maybe, but I see this point in every thread though. Seems excessive, no?
Arum offered 8 mil plus free agency for "easy work" - Fraud ducked.
Why in the hell would he offer a Cotto fight to a coward who said in so many words on HBO that he wanted nothing to do with him?
Youre a sad excuse for a boxing fan.
Arum also offered the fight for an August 12th fight. Floyd was injured at the time Arum offered it. Amazing how Arum the one time he's offered Floyd a fight happens to offer Floyd the fight while he is injured.
Arum also refused to allow Floyd to even think of fighting DLH. I mean shit he would only pay Mayweather 6 million to fight Cotto who you deem as his biggest threat ever. 6 million? :lol::lol:
So it's Floyds fault that Arum has never even thought to offer him a fight? Lol You're the sad excuse for a boxing fan, always hating on Floyd. Amazing you've probably never been inside a ring yet you call him a coward.
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 06:47 PM
Funny how you fail to mention that PBF offered Hatton a fight at 140 back in 2005 when both were at 140 but was turned down twice just because it suits your bullshit agenda.:deal PBF wanted Cotto because there was no one else left to fight at 140 so why not fight a hot upcoming boxer like miguel at 140? PBF is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't
Hatton left his comfort zone of UK to set up the match.
At the time (after beating Zoo) the most money for the match was in England, no way Fraud was willing to go to UK at that point. Gotta give props for crossing the pond.
If Cotto was "worthy" back when he was green at 140, certainly he is "worthy" after beating Shane at 147.
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 06:48 PM
Maybe, but I see this point in every thread though. Seems excessive, no?
gotta hold these nuthuggers feet to the fire.
Hatton left his comfort zone of UK to set up the match.
At the time (after beating Zoo) the most money for the match was in England, no way Fraud was willing to go to UK at that point. Gotta give props for crossing the pond.
If Cotto was "worthy" back when he was green at 140, certainly he is "worthy" after beating Shane at 147.
Floyd wasen't a top PPV sell at the time he offered to fight Cotto. Now that he's on top he sees Cottos markey value hasn't increased like Floyds has.
Amazing how you excuse Ricky for staying in the UK for the most money, yet critize Floyd for taking the big money fights. :rofl
lillarry
06-05-2008, 06:50 PM
Read my original post. I clearly indicated that he could do big numbers without fighting someone who is also a big draw. You have to sell these fights just like anything else. Floyd, Hatton and HBO did a great job of selling that fight. If you put Floyd, HBO, and Arum together along with a credible Arum fighter like the Margo/Cotto winner. That fight will be sold to the public with relative ease.
Exactly how I feel. Floyd rightfully used the Delahoya and Hatton fights to advance his name and now he is the premier star attraction in boxing. Floyd, on his own, is capable of doing over 1 million ppvs. A fight with Cotto would do huge numbers. Hardcore boxing fans and casual boxing fans will want to see this.
If Cotto beats Margarito, this fight must be made. No more excuses will be tolerated from either camps.
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 06:52 PM
Floyd wasen't a top PPV sell at the time he offered to fight Cotto. Now that he's on top he sees Cottos markey value hasn't increased like Floyds has.
Amazing how you excuse Ricky for staying in the UK for the most money, yet critize Floyd for taking the big money fights. :rofl
Hey slow kid, Hatton LEFT England to set up the fight. . . he didnt stay in UK to avoid Fraud. Damn your dumb.
Spitbucket
06-05-2008, 06:53 PM
Exactly how I feel. Floyd rightfully used the Delahoya and Hatton fights to advance his name and now he is the premier star attraction in boxing. Floyd, on his own, is capable of doing over 1 million ppvs. A fight with Cotto would do huge numbers. Hardcore boxing fans and casual boxing fans will want to see this.
If Cotto beats Margarito, this fight must be made. No more excuses will be tolerated from either camps.
The notion that you might actually believe this:patsch
Hey slow kid, Hatton LEFT England to set up the fight. . . he didnt stay in UK to avoid Fraud. Damn your dumb.
Your right he didn't avoid Floyd himself. His daddy avoided Floyd for him.
"We aren't ready"
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 06:55 PM
Your right he didn't avoid Floyd himself. His daddy avoided Floyd for him.
"We aren't ready"
who left their home country to set up the fight?
istmeno
06-05-2008, 06:57 PM
Exactly how I feel. Floyd rightfully used the Delahoya and Hatton fights to advance his name and now he is the premier star attraction in boxing. Floyd, on his own, is capable of doing over 1 million ppvs. A fight with Cotto would do huge numbers. Hardcore boxing fans and casual boxing fans will want to see this.
If Cotto beats Margarito, this fight must be made. No more excuses will be tolerated from either camps.
wtf. he did not sell that with hatton. uk numbers do not count
who left their home country to set up the fight?
Hmm Hatton did.
The challenger left his home country to fight the champion.
I could see it at 140 Mayweather going to the UK but Hatton didn't even want to fight Mayweather.
Miles5149
06-05-2008, 06:57 PM
Let's get a few things straight about Mr. Mayweather. Number 1, he is a boxer. He only makes money because people want to see him fight. He's not wrestler, or a dancer, or a rapper, or a movie star. So if he wants to continue gaining mainstream success, he's going to need to continue fighting, and stop with all this other garbage. Number 2, Robinson fought over 200 times and fought in a era where there was only 8 divisions. Mayweather's undefeated record and championships in 5 divisions is impressive, but not enough to stake the claim that he's better than Robinson. Lastly, underneath it all, Mayweather may be one of the most talented boxers ever. However, it's not what's underneath, but what you do that defines you. If Mr. Mayweather wants to be defined as one of the greatest ever, he still has more work to do.
And that's the memo.
You get that quote from Batman Begins? haha
anyway very good post
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 06:58 PM
Hmm Hatton did.
The challenger left his home country to fight the champion.
I could see it at 140 Mayweather going to the UK but Hatton didn't even want to fight Mayweather.
If you honestly believe this you are dumber than I thought, and I think your pretty dumb so thats sayin somethin.
wtf. he did not sell that with hatton. uk numbers do not count
UK numbers dont count for a combine total but they do mean something.
Considering I dont think Hatton with all his PPVs added up is even equal to half of 1.4 million, which was a record breaker in the UK.
If you honestly believe this you are dumber than I thought, and I think your pretty dumb so thats sayin somethin.
Did Hattons team not decline Mayweather?
BigReg
06-05-2008, 07:00 PM
You get that quote from Batman Begins? haha
anyway very good post
I was waiting for someone to point that out. Yes, I straight up ripped off that quote from Batman Begins. I must have watched that movie 20 times. I can't wait for the sequel.
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 07:02 PM
Did Hattons team not decline Mayweather?
Not for a fight in England, that was never offered.
Not for a fight in England, that was never offered.
The offer never progressed that far. Hatton's father said Hatton wasen't ready to fight Mayweather.
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 07:07 PM
The offer never progressed that far. Hatton's father said Hatton wasen't ready to fight Mayweather.
If you think Fraud was even considering going to England back then to fight Hatton at 140 you are sadly lost and confused.
Miles5149
06-05-2008, 07:09 PM
I was waiting for someone to point that out. Yes, I straight up ripped off that quote from Batman Begins. I must have watched that movie 20 times. I can't wait for the sequel.
I didn't know if I was going to like Begins but it was great and I think the next ones going to be even better. Looks amazing...probably doesnt belong on this forum but what the hell
good post man
If you think Fraud was even considering going to England back then to fight Hatton at 140 you are sadly lost and confused.
Why does it even matter, Hattons FATHER said Hatton wasn't ready to fight Mayweather.
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 07:14 PM
Why does it even matter, Hattons FATHER said Hatton wasn't ready to fight Mayweather.
You said it. . . "I could see it at 140 Mayweather going to the UK"
You said it. . . "I could see it at 140 Mayweather going to the UK"
I said I could see the point of Mayweather going to the UK/not going.
But the talks never progressed that far. Hattons team wanted nothing to do with Mayweather at the time.
But the talks never progressed that far. Hattons team wanted nothing to do with Mayweather at the time.
This is true, I remember it.
Pimp C
06-05-2008, 07:38 PM
Floyd wasen't a top PPV sell at the time he offered to fight Cotto. Now that he's on top he sees Cottos markey value hasn't increased like Floyds has.
Amazing how you excuse Ricky for staying in the UK for the most money, yet critize Floyd for taking the big money fights. :rofl
Exactly! This guy is too much.:lol::rofl:patsch
Lance_Uppercut
06-05-2008, 08:42 PM
Floyd Mayweather Jr. is arguably the most talented boxer on the planet. However, his recent mainstream and financial success has seemed to separate him from reality. In a recent article on another boxing website, Mayweather reiterated that he does not feel that Cotto brings enough money to the table in order to warrant a fight between the two. His advisor, Leonard Ellerbe, talked about how Mayweather wants to gain more mainstream success. Mayweather ended by once again claiming that he's the greatest of all time and spouted some non sensical drivel about Ray Robinson not being undefeated and not winning 6 titles in 5 weight classes as evidence to his claim that he's better than Robinson.
Let's get a few things straight about Mr. Mayweather. Number 1, he is a boxer. He only makes money because people want to see him fight. He's not wrestler, or a dancer, or a rapper, or a movie star. So if he wants to continue gaining mainstream success, he's going to need to continue fighting, and stop with all this other garbage. Number 2, Robinson fought over 200 times and fought in a era where there was only 8 divisions. Mayweather's undefeated record and championships in 5 divisions is impressive, but not enough to stake the claim that he's better than Robinson. Lastly, underneath it all, Mayweather may be one of the most talented boxers ever. However, it's not what's underneath, but what you do that defines you. If Mr. Mayweather wants to be defined as one of the greatest ever, he still has more work to do.
Mayweather says that he's the face of boxing. I agree. However, being the face of boxing about more than just being selfish and looking out only for your own interests. Being the face of boxing is about raising the profile of the sport. One of the best ways to do so is to promote young talent. There are many good young fighters between 147 and 154. They may not be big names, but they could become big names if a high profile fighter such as Mayweather gave them a chance. Mayweather could still make a lot of money off these fights as he is a good salesman. He knows how to promote a fight, and he could sell any fight to the public as long as he's taking on credible fighters. De La Hoya was the previous face of boxing. He got over many good young fighters by giving them a chance(including Mr. Mayweather). I think it's time that the new face of boxing do the same.
And that's the memo.
Very nice Reg. This is what seperates you from the idiots. :thumbsup
planetzion
06-05-2008, 08:47 PM
If he beats DLH and then gives Hatton a rematch then he is'nt p4p #1 anymore, I don't give a fuck what anybody else says, you can't claim to be boxings best and not fight the best in your weight class.
agreed ...no way he needs to fight a ligit 147 fighter after ODH....or he ot go back to #2 0r #3..
I totally reckon he should be in #1...but ffs he needs to fight some tough, current realavent fighters at 147 to stay there
Ziggy Montana
06-05-2008, 08:50 PM
I totally reckon he should be in #1...but ffs he needs to fight some tough, current realavent fighters at 147 to stay thereOtherwise I'd rather see him retire.
Ramshall1
06-05-2008, 09:09 PM
agreed ...no way he needs to fight a ligit 147 fighter after ODH....or he ot go back to #2 0r #3..
I totally reckon he should be in #1...but ffs he needs to fight some tough, current realavent fighters at 147 to stay there
Yup, some have already dropped him from the top spot. . . more will drop him after the pointless DLH rematch.
If he rematches Hatton just about everyone will drop him from the top spot.
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