Joe Louis v George Chuvalo would George be there at the end of the 15th?

[mcvey]

The rugged Canadian ,with the concrete chin,facing the,punch perfect,destructive Brown Bomber.Could George withstand the fearful combos and be there to hear the final bell?

[radianttwilight]

He'd get TKO'd early ala Foreman.

If we're talking a sadistic ref or no stoppages without ten counts, I still think he'd be stopped, but around 7 or 8.

He just doesn't have the defense to keep Louis from taking him out.

[janitor]

I think Chuvalo might give Louis more troble than some people might think.

Louis just wouldnt be comfortable with his style, the crouch the pressure. He wouldnt like it and he would look bad for a while.

In the end though Louis would find Chuvalos rythm and start milling him. In the end he would do enogh damage to force a TKO.

[Lobotomy]

Foreman was able to ring his bell, while Frazier cause him to turn his back in submission. Punch for punch, Louis might not have had the firepower of either, but even if that was the case (questionable with Frazier), no heavyweight could combine powershots together quite the way Louis could. No, I don't see Chuvalo getting to the final bell.

[El Matador]

It's possible, because George was a rather large Heavyweight (240's?).

But my estimation would be no, considering Louis may not hurt him with the first punch he lands, but the second, or third. Combinations would be key, and I could see Louis busting Chuvalo up, leaving a referee with little choice but to stop it.

[Mendoza]

The rugged Canadian ,with the concrete chin,facing the,punch perfect,destructive Brown Bomber.Could George withstand the fearful combos and be there to hear the final bell?

If Chavalo fought to go the distance, I think he makes it. If he fought to win down on points, I think Louis would stop eventually.

Much is made of Chavalo's durability. It is odd that the two best punchers he faced stopped him in inside four rounds from punches.

[Marciano Frazier]

I think Chuvalo would give Louis some awkward moments, but ultimately- with a ref from the last 75 years, anyway- I would expect Louis to get a TKO by the 12th round.

[Bummy Davis]

I think Chuvalo would offer a rugged try but Joe was a two fisted puncher and would really have a power punch stat field day on George....it just boils down to how much damage would Joe do and how much could George take...Wrong Fight for George....tko stop for Joe

[prime]

Ouch! If Frazier fractured the Chuvalo cheekbone, Louis would cause considerable pain too and most probably halt the Canadian punching bag.

[fists of fury]

Simply put - no.

Joe was far too accurate and punishing a puncher for Chuvalo to handle. Joe would wear him down and cut him up.

[ChrisPontius]

Punch for punch, Louis might not have had the firepower of either, but even if that was the case (questionable with Frazier), no heavyweight could combine powershots together quite the way Louis could.

Louis had way better one-punch power than Frazier.

[Maxmomer]

Louis was too precise, too fast, and too powerful. I don't think he'd be able to KO Chuvalo, but he'd do something similar to what Frazier and Foreman did to him.

[AREA 53]

In a way Joe would have already had a good Warm up
- He Flattened the Chuvalo of his day, Paulino Urzcudo
with a stunning left hook in the 4th Round

It would of been intersting to see if Joe could of actually introduced George to the canvas

I have little doubt that Joe could have forced a Ref's intervention
but if Galento could put Joe Down Maybe George would prove a real Handful in te early going. ?

[OLD FOGEY]

I think Louis would probably stops Chuvalo on cuts and swelling. Frankly, I think Louis would put him down a couple of times.

[mcvey]

In a way Joe would have already had a good Warm up
- He Flattened the Chuvalo of his day, Paulino Urzcudo
with a stunning left hook in the 4th Round

It would of been intersting to see if Joe could of actually introduced George to the canvas

I have little doubt that Joe could have forced a Ref's intervention
but if Galento could put Joe Down Maybe George would prove a real Handful in te early going. ?
True but Paulino was nearly 37.

[BIG DEE]

BIG DEE HERE= Paolino Uzcudun was KOed by a right hand up the pike by Joe Louis sending Uzcudun`s mouthpiece thru his lip causing 20 plus stiches to used to sew him back together. JOE LOUIS WOULD BE THE FIRST MAN TO
PUT CHUVALO ON THE DECK AND MORE THAN LIKELY THE FIRST ONE TO KO HIM OUTRIGHT. SOME WHERE AROUND THE 4TH RD IT WOULD END FOR CHUVALO

[bigjake]

He'd get TKO'd early ala Foreman.

If we're talking a sadistic ref or no stoppages without ten counts, I still think he'd be stopped, but around 7 or 8.

He just doesn't have the defense to keep Louis from taking him out.

i disagree,tommy far took joe 15 rds no better a boxer then george chuvalo.now you say 1 of the most durable fighters of all time will be taken out by louis.chuvalo lasts the distance and gives joe some trouble with his left hook and body punching

[bigjake]

BIG DEE HERE= Paolino Uzcudun was KOed by a right hand up the pike by Joe Louis sending Uzcudun`s mouthpiece thru his lip causing 20 plus stiches to used to sew him back together. JOE LOUIS WOULD BE THE FIRST MAN TO
PUT CHUVALO ON THE DECK AND MORE THAN LIKELY THE FIRST ONE TO KO HIM OUTRIGHT. SOME WHERE AROUND THE 4TH RD IT WOULD END FOR CHUVALO

some of you don't know very much about chuvalo at all

[BIG DEE]

BIG DEE HERE= Tommy Farr was a very good boxer and slipper of punches while George Chuvalo was not a good boxer who kept from getting hit as he
took punches by the ton. George Chuvalo was a fighter that would have been a sitting duck for Joe Louis in his prime. Comparing them is not even in the same ballpark as Farr was a far better boxer than George. George hit harder but took many more punches than Tommy Farr. Farr on the other
hand took a punch just slightly less in his prime than Chuvalo. Louis couldn`t deck him over the 15rds they fought but Tommy was tricky and hard to hit cleanly as Louis found out. Max Baer decked Tommy Farr twice both with
Baer`s vastly underrated left hook in their second fight. They weren`t flash
knock-downs as Tommy went down hard both times. Farr could really take a punch. Styles make fights and Chuvalo`s style was tailor made for Joe Louis to absolutely tee-off on.

[round15]

I think Chuvalo would come out of his corner for the 15th round and he'd still be attacking Joe Louis. At this stage in the fight, Louis has probably inflicted significant damage to Chuvalo's face, but I don't think Louis would have him down though. The potential is certainly there for Louis to put Chuvalo on the canvas but I think George could withstand his big shots. Chuvalo would land plenty of shots to the body and hurt Louis more than once in this fight but the final decision would go to Louis by minimum of 3 points.

[Manassa]

As Janitor suggested, Chuvalo might give Louis some problems. Louis could win just a decision in the first fight...

... But in a rematch, it would be a blood bath. Chuvalo wouldn't just be stopped, he'd be floored for the first and second times in his career, possibly getting up, but only to be staggered and stopped moments later.

Being hit by Joe Louis is different to being hit by George Foreman. Foreman moved the punchbag more with his telegraphed swings, but Louis stabbed it in the back with a varied arsenal.

Frazier was quick with his hooks and it was hard to see them coming, and he had Chuvalo stunned, but he didn't have the other punches to follow it up with; far from a one-handed fighter, Frazier's other punches still were nowhere near up to scratch with the left hook.

Louis was as equally powerful with either hand and wasn't the type to charge in and get smothered by a good defence. He found the range and hit when the moment was right, forcefully and aggressively but intelligently and never frantically.

Chuvalo was a good fighter and doesn't deserve the disrespect of being called a punching bag, but against Louis he'd just be another knockout victim in a long line of fighters who never thought they'd get knocked out.

[Manassa]

i disagree,tommy far took joe 15 rds no better a boxer then george chuvalo.now you say 1 of the most durable fighters of all time will be taken out by louis.chuvalo lasts the distance and gives joe some trouble with his left hook and body punching

Farr was not a physical force like Chuvalo, but tricky and cagey. Louis won a clear (but not comfortable decision), and wasn't able to finish him due to an injured hand; watch the fight, he hardly uses the right. Louis opted to jab his way to victory and according to my great uncle (live at the fight), he mashed Farr's nose until blood smeared his face from top to bottom.

[mcvey]

Farr was not a physical force like Chuvalo, but tricky and cagey. Louis won a clear (but not comfortable decision), and wasn't able to finish him due to an injured hand; watch the fight, he hardly uses the right. Louis opted to jab his way to victory and according to my great uncle (live at the fight), he mashed Farr's nose until blood smeared his face from top to bottom.
Farr told my Da louis beat him ,and hs face was a mess afterwards,he was marked under both eyes ,his nose was swollen and he had lumps on his brows.Luis reckoned he would have stopped Tommy if his right hand was 100%.If Chuvalo survived the first fight I think Louis woud have dropped him for good in the return ,he was murder the second time around ,and had as complete an arsenal of correctly delivered ,precise,power punches, as the division has seen

[bigjake]

Farr told my Da louis beat him ,and hs face was a mess afterwards,he was marked under both eyes ,his nose was swollen and he had lumps on his brows.Luis reckoned he would have stopped Tommy if his right hand was 100%.If Chuvalo survived the first fight I think Louis woud have dropped him for good in the return ,he was murder the second time around ,and had as complete an arsenal of correctly delivered ,precise,power punches, as the division has seen

we don't really know what would happen all pure conjecture.funny how a few ppl on here wants chuvalo on the canvas.the fact remains 93 pro fights never off his feet thats fact,never off his feet as an amature either or in sparring fact.

[Manassa]

we don't really know what would happen all pure conjecture.funny how a few ppl on here wants chuvalo on the canvas.the fact remains 93 pro fights never off his feet thats fact,never off his feet as an amature either or in sparring fact.

Great achievement, but then he was never up against Joe Louis.

[mcvey]

we don't really know what would happen all pure conjecture.funny how a few ppl on here wants chuvalo on the canvas.the fact remains 93 pro fights never off his feet thats fact,never off his feet as an amature either or in sparring fact.
I'm an admirer of Chuvalo for his guts and durability,I started this thread for in put from other posters ,not to talk him down.Remember though ,that Baer,Galento and Uzcudon hadnt been kod either ,till they met Louis .

[bigjake]

I'm an admirer of Chuvalo for his guts and durability,I started this thread for in put from other posters ,not to talk him down.Remember though ,that Baer,Galento and Uzcudon hadnt been kod either ,till they met Louis .

Baer didn't take the shot chuvalo could and i doubt Galento did either.i'd love to pose this question to big george sometime and hear what he says,i'll let you know here on this forum what he says

Bigjake

[pmfan]

Baer didn't take the shot chuvalo could and i doubt Galento did either.i'd love to pose this question to big george sometime and hear what he says,i'll let you know here on this forum what he says

Bigjake

I suspect he greatly respects Louis and would say he couldn't have beaten him. If Marciano could say such a thing (after beating the washed up Louis) Chuvalo could too, I'm sure.

Chuvalo was not nearly as crude as some people seem to be remembering him. I just watched his great fight with Floyd Patterson the other night on TV. Chuvalo knew how to fight. He threw combinations. I think Louis' sharp combinations would probably have eventually caused a TKO, but you never know.

[bigjake]

Great achievement, but then he was never up against Joe Louis.

and louis never fought a guy as tough as chuvalo either my son.

[SuzieQ49]

Baer didn't take the shot chuvalo could and i doubt Galento did either]

I beg to differ

[mcvey]

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I beg to differ
Baer was known for a top chin as you say Suzie.

[SuzieQ49]

not only baer, How bout Two Ton Tony Galento. Never floored before louis despite facing a long list of punchers and was never floored after fighting louis despite fighting more big punchers.

[bigjake]

Baer was known for a top chin as you say Suzie.

having a top chin a 1 as good as chuvalo's was,maybe 2 different things here.

[burywh|te]

chuvalo would win. he'd tire louis out if he didn't knock him out early. louis doesn't have chuvalo's stamina

[Manassa]

chuvalo would win. he'd tire louis out if he didn't knock him out early. louis doesn't have chuvalo's stamina

Agreed. Louis had problems with stamina throughout his career - and a shaky chin.

[he grant]

A terrible fight for Chuvalo ... no one takes too many shots from the murderous punching, lighting speeded Louis ... would make the Frazier and Foreman stopages look like a cake walk ... very bad match up for Chuvalo ...

[Joe E]

The rugged Canadian ,with the concrete chin,facing the,punch perfect,destructive Brown Bomber.Could George withstand the fearful combos and be there to hear the final bell?I honestly believe that Joe would cut and bruise Georges' face to the point of the Ref stopping it. Chuvalo was supremely strong so I don't see a clean KO.

[he grant]

Louis had problems with stamina ??? Which fights ?

[JIm Broughton]

For the 1st two or three rounds George might give Joe some trouble but after that it's all Louis. Joe busts him up and stops in on his feet around seven.

[zadfrak]

It's hard to fathom just how many things that great corner of Blackburn/Seamon would find for their guy to capitalize on in their pre=fight preparations. Chuvalo loved a body attack and threw lots of lead rights from the outside. That's suicide against a deadly counterpuncher like Joe Louis.

This looks like a referree stops contest in about 10 one sided rounds with Chuvalo still on his feet but all busted up.