Whitaker v Hatton at 140lbs

[Robbi]

This may well be a formality, but would like to see how you guys think this fight would shape up over 12 rounds.

Whitaker v Hatton, light-welterweight, 140lbs.

[acb]

Whitaker, all night.

[Pimp C]

This may well be a formality, but would like to see how you guys think this fight would shape up over 12 rounds.

Whitaker v Hatton, light-welterweight, 140lbs.
Is this a joke? Sweet Pea schools shit out of Ricky and puts on a boxing clinic for the ages:deal

[Robbi]

Is this a joke? Sweet Pea schools shit out of Ricky and puts on a boxing clinic for the ages:deal

Its not a joke. Just chatting to a mate on MSN who's a Hatton fan. He's having a laugh because im into slick boxers, and he's into pressure fighters like Chavez and Hatton.

[hitman_hatton1]

robbi and his boring counter punchers. :yep

[CASH_718]

robbi and his boring counter punchers. :yephitman and his boring maulers.:yep

[hitman_hatton1]

hitman and his boring maulers.:yep

cash and his brooklyn losers. :yep

u wanna change that now cash.

2 losses old boy.

[Executioner]

cash and his brooklyn losers. :yep

u wanna change that now cash.

2 losses old boy.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[CASH_718]

cash and his brooklyn losers. :yep

u wanna change that now cash.

2 losses old boy.He lost a track meet not a fight so no I'm keeping it at 17-1.

[CASH_718]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:Was it really that funny?

[buzzsaw]

Sweet Pea was the Matador and the rest were bulls.

[sues2nd]

Sweet Pea boxes his ears off. He was OUTSTANDING vs pressure fighters.

Though I am sure someone who has never seen Sweet Pea fight will come in and say different.

(usually how it happens on here....)

[Robbi]

Sweet Pea boxes his ears off. He was OUTSTANDING vs pressure fighters.

Though I am sure someone who has never seen Sweet Pea fight will come in and say different.

(usually how it happens on here....)

Yeah, Whitaker would box the ears off Hatton. 9 rounds to 3 at worst. 117-111, 118-110, 119-109, Buffer would announce the decision as probably. Whitaker was not just great at long range, but inside as well, and brilliant to the body. It would not surprise me if Hatton came off second best inside.

[brooklyn1550]

Whitaker UD12 Hatton
Wide Decision too

[MSTR]

Whitaker by Wide UD. Easy call, Whitaker was fantastic against pressure fighters.
Totally agree. Hatton is poor against southpaws also, and is not in the same league as Sweet Pea.

[joe the great]

Whitaker would probably win the first one by a contraversial split decision and win the rematch for real.

[MSTR]

The only thing controversial about an SD between the two would be that it was that close, as there is no way Hatton even makes it a very close fight. You need to learn somethin chief.
It would be contraversial because the one paid judge would have the score card so completely different to the other judges, it would be the most blatant cheating since the The Roy Jones Fiasco at the olympics

[jyuza]

Sweet Pea already schooled a much better and much stronger version of Hatton : Chavez.

Julio was above Hatton in all aspect, I don't see how Hatton can win this one. Bad bad match up for him.

Pernell 120-108.

[achillesthegreat]

Whitaker UD. This is poetry in motion versus pastry in motion!!!

[Mook]

Let's wait to see what Hatton does in his career. He has the abilities to go on and be summat brilliant. At the moment he's not fulfilling that promise, and as good as I think he was vs Tszyu, Maussa and first eight rounds vs Urango, only one of thos fighters comes close in terms of ability, and secondly he was not great enough even in those fights to give Sweet Pea a real challenge.

At the moment, I would say comfortable UD for Sweet Pea. If Hatton fulfills that promise - and I believe that he COULD rather than would beat PBF - it might be that this thread would follow a different path rather than the inevitable Hatton has no chance route.

[Raggamuffin]

Like taking candy from a baby
Sweet Pea very easy UD

[joe the great]

The only thing controversial about an SD between the two would be that it was that close, as there is no way Hatton even makes it a very close fight. You need to learn somethin chief.
Jorge Paez and Azumah Nelson gave Sweet Pea tough bouts. Sweet Pea also got gifts at that weight and he also got a gift against Buddy Mc Girt at 147 in the first fight. Remember Rivera 1 was also a gift.

[Theo]

i love hatton great fighter, but seriously ... sweet pea by largebeating i think,hatton would have his moments tho.

/theo

[Robbi]

Jorge Paez and Azumah Nelson gave Sweet Pea tough bouts. Sweet Pea also got gifts at that weight and he also got a gift against Buddy Mc Girt at 147 in the first fight. Remember Rivera 1 was also a gift.

Nelson never gave Whitaker anywhere near a tough fight. Whitaker won at least 9 or 10 rounds. And the rounds he won, he won clearly. I watched the fight just a few days ago, and Nelson was well and truely out-classed.

A gift against McGirt in their first fight. A close fight, but to use the words "got a gift" is just plain stupid.

I do agree with the Rivera 1 fight, that was a close shave for Whitaker.

[Raggamuffin]

Nelson never gave Whitaker anywhere near a tough fight. Whitaker won at least 9 or 10 rounds. And the rounds he won, he won clearly. I watched the fight just a few days ago, and Nelson was well and truely out-classed.

A gift against McGirt in their first fight. A close fight, but to use the words "got a gift" is just plain stupid.

I do agree with the Rivera 1 fight, that was a close shave for Whitaker.

Totally agreed buddy

[sues2nd]

Nelson never gave Whitaker anywhere near a tough fight. Whitaker won at least 9 or 10 rounds. And the rounds he won, he won clearly. I watched the fight just a few days ago, and Nelson was well and truely out-classed.

A gift against McGirt in their first fight. A close fight, but to use the words "got a gift" is just plain stupid.

I do agree with the Rivera 1 fight, that was a close shave for Whitaker.

:good

[jopez707]

This is a whitewash, even a young hungry DLH had his hands full with Whitaker. And Dlh was faster, stronger, had better reach and skills than Hatton.

[Robbi]

This is a whitewash, even a young hungry DLH had his hands full with Whitaker. And Dlh was faster, stronger, had better reach and skills than Hatton.

And lets not forget, De La Hoya fought a Whitaker past his prime. Whitaker was still a brilliant fighter as a welterweight, but was not as flet-footed and quick as he was in his lightweight days. De La Hoya was more aggressive than Whitaker throughout the fight, but both fighters were pretty cautious.

I feel Whitaker's jab would score well against Hatton. Whitaker's whole style was perfectly suited for come forward aggressors. Hatton can close the distance quickly and effectively on opponents, but Whitaker could change angles and slide away scoring at the same time. He'd also surprise Hatton inside, as his work to the body with both hands was accurate. Whitaker gave Chavez a lesson inside, which shows he was a complete fighter.

[El Bombasto]

Whitaker by easy UD

[IntentionalButt]

I don't know, Pernell's pretty shot. :think

[Rock0052]

This is a bad style matchup for Hatton....I suppose he could pull out a slim UD depending on who the ref was and how much roughhousing he could get away with, but too many things would have to be right for him to pull off the upset-he'd have to have a near perfect gameplan, be in perfect condition, and be able to lure Sweet Pea into fighting his game- which hardly ever happened because of Sweet Pea's ring generalship. He'd also need to attack the body because that's the only way to try and slow Whitaker down, and Pea had great head movement and a solid chin which Hatton probably wouldn't be able to hit until late in the fight if everything else I mentioned happened. So while it COULD happen...my money would be on a clear Whitaker UD 9 times out of 10. RH could do some damage though, but Pernell would clearly win around 8 rounds or so.

[Robbi]

This is a bad style matchup for Hatton....I suppose he could pull out a slim UD depending on who the ref was and how much roughhousing he could get away with, but too many things would have to be right for him to pull off the upset-he'd have to have a near perfect gameplan, be in perfect condition, and be able to lure Sweet Pea into fighting his game- which hardly ever happened because of Sweet Pea's ring generalship. He'd also need to attack the body because that's the only way to try and slow Whitaker down, and Pea had great head movement and a solid chin which Hatton probably wouldn't be able to hit until late in the fight if everything else I mentioned happened. So while it COULD happen...my money would be on a clear Whitaker UD 9 times out of 10. RH could do some damage though, but Pernell would clearly win around 8 rounds or so.

Sounds very accurate indeed. Hatton would actually become cautious. Whitaker's defense would make him think more than he usually does.

[sues2nd]

I am shocked....ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED that not one person has chimed in and picked Hatton. He has a pretty big following on here. Of course if that were to happen, two things would have to be true.

1- They would have to ABSOLUTELY LOVE Hatton.

and

2- They would have never had seen Sweet Pea fight.

Even still, I am shocked.

[Rock0052]

Sounds very accurate indeed. Hatton would actually become cautious. Whitaker's defense would make him think more than he usually does.
That's a good point...also, going against a guy who's going to hit you alot (even if Pernell wasn't a knockout artist) is going to really put Hatton's skin to the test, literally speaking. Cuts could very well be an issue.

Like I said, Hatton would have to come in peak everything to make this a great fight- but let's not forget, Hatton would be motivated and I've yet to see him take his biggest fights lightly. I certainly wouldn't plan on it if this fight were to happen.

My final verdict is that this would probably be one of the most entertaining 8-4 UD's you'd ever see in the ring, but Whitaker's my guy in this one.

I do think that anyone putting down shutouts is really underrating Hatton in this one. As we can see, I'm not picking him to win- but to say that anybody shuts him out, I just don't see it. He's got the chin and the body attack to walk through Pea's punches and take some rounds in the process.

[achillesthegreat]

I am shocked....ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED that not one person has chimed in and picked Hatton. He has a pretty big following on here. Of course if that were to happen, two things would have to be true.

1- They would have to ABSOLUTELY LOVE Hatton.

and

2- They would have never had seen Sweet Pea fight.

Even still, I am shocked.
Why? If you picked Hatton based on his performances to date it would be an open admission that you've never seen Whitaker fight.

Hatton of Tszyu maybe takes 4 rounds and I'm being generous. Hatton needs to become a WHOLE LOT more consistent with his body attack, he needs to find himself a jab and certainly close up his defence. With about every adjustment there is we are still talk 7-5 either way. Why? Because when it comes to boxing, Pernell is arguably the best to have ever done it.

[Robbi]

That's a good point...also, going against a guy who's going to hit you alot (even if Pernell wasn't a knockout artist) is going to really put Hatton's skin to the test, literally speaking. Cuts could very well be an issue.

Like I said, Hatton would have to come in peak everything to make this a great fight- but let's not forget, Hatton would be motivated and I've yet to see him take his biggest fights lightly. I certainly wouldn't plan on it if this fight were to happen.

My final verdict is that this would probably be one of the most entertaining 8-4 UD's you'd ever see in the ring, but Whitaker's my guy in this one.

I do think that anyone putting down shutouts is really underrating Hatton in this one. As we can see, I'm not picking him to win- but to say that anybody shuts him out, I just don't see it. He's got the chin and the body attack to walk through Pea's punches and take some rounds in the process.

I think Whitaker could equal Hatton when both working inside. Even though inside fighting would not happen often due to Whitaker's outstanding ring generalship and long range skills, he was always effective in that department. Chavez came off second best against Whitaker inside, and he was one of the greatest of all time once he got into close range.

Regarding Whitaker v Nelson. Even though Nelson was moving up from 130lbs, he certainly looked like a fully fledged 135lb fighter on the night. He was taller than Whitaker which can be decieving when making a size comparison, but around the shoulders and waist he was sizing up against Whitaker very well. I think Whitaker's performance against Nelson was among the greatest wins of his career.

[sandwichsurgeon]

It's official Robbi, creating this thread verifies in my mind you are a sadist, it would be wrong to sanction this bout.

[digiram]

He lost a track meet not a fight so no I'm keeping it at 17-1.

He's gotta learn to cut off the ring. Boys got talent though. I wish him the best.

BTW, 120 to 108....Sweet Pea. He doesn't even break a sweat.

[Rock0052]

He's gotta learn to cut off the ring. Boys got talent though. I wish him the best.

BTW, 120 to 108....Sweet Pea. He doesn't even break a sweat.

Yes, because worse fighters than Hatton never won a round off of Whitaker. :patsch

[Robbi]

It's official Robbi, creating this thread verifies in my mind you are a sadist, it would be wrong to sanction this bout.

:bbb <<< Whitaker :freddy <<< The Manchester Mexican

[joe the great]

Nelson never gave Whitaker anywhere near a tough fight. Whitaker won at least 9 or 10 rounds. And the rounds he won, he won clearly. I watched the fight just a few days ago, and Nelson was well and truely out-classed.

A gift against McGirt in their first fight. A close fight, but to use the words "got a gift" is just plain stupid.

I do agree with the Rivera 1 fight, that was a close shave for Whitaker. I had Mc Girt winning that fight by 2 points. Now the closest I could've saw that fight was a draw. It was certainly weird the way Whitaker was showboating in the last round. Just like he knew the judges would fix everything for a Chavez showdown. I am not downing your opinion but I certainly wonder how Whitaker received anything better than a draw. I thought that he lost.

I believe that the judges scored the Whitaker-Nelson fight a lot closer than you had it, but maybe they had the closeness of the fight wrong. I hadn't seen that fight in such a long time that I really don't remember how close that I had it. I did score it for Whitaker though.

[joe the great]

You're the only one who thinks that. Whitaker clearly won. I've never heard anyone but you and George Foreman(who really didn't seem to like Whitaker) say McGirt should've won. I am not the only one that thinks it so does my friends and so did several publications that scored it for Mc Girt. I have never seen that fight scored better than a draw by any boxing publication. Most that I saw also had Mc Girt 2 points ahead. Whitaker did win the rematch though. By George I think he got it right.

[sweet_scientist]

I am not the only one that thinks it so does my friends and so did several publications that scored it for Mc Girt. I have never seen that fight scored better than a draw by any boxing publication. Most that I saw also had Mc Girt 2 points ahead. Whitaker did win the rematch though. By George I think he got it right.

I've asked you before about "most" of these boxing publications that you saw that had McGirt ahead and you never got back to me. Please name all these sources that had McGirt ahead.

[Robbi]

I had Mc Girt winning that fight by 2 points. Now the closest I could've saw that fight was a draw. It was certainly weird the way Whitaker was showboating in the last round. Just like he knew the judges would fix everything for a Chavez showdown. I am not downing your opinion but I certainly wonder how Whitaker received anything better than a draw. I thought that he lost.

I believe that the judges scored the Whitaker-Nelson fight a lot closer than you had it, but maybe they had the closeness of the fight wrong. I hadn't seen that fight in such a long time that I really don't remember how close that I had it. I did score it for Whitaker though.

Regarding the Nelson fight. It was a clear as a bright blue sky win for Whitaker. One judge had the fight 115-113 for Whitaker, but that in itself was a scandal, even though Whitaker did get the nod on all three judges cards. Nelson was outpunched in jabs and punches shots. Not many close rounds either. The judge who had the fight only 115-113 for Whitaker must have been scoring on Nelson coming forward and TRYING to land punches, nothing else.

[Cobra33]

I laughed at first when I saw this but then realized that Whitaker wasn't at his absoulte best at 140 and Hatton is.
Hatton would maul Whitaker THE ENTIRE fight.Hatton might just have the style to pull it off.

[sweet_scientist]

Regarding the Nelson fight. It was a clear as a bright blue sky win for Whitaker. One judge had the fight 115-113 for Whitaker, but that in itself was a scandal, even though Whitaker did get the nod on all three judges cards. Nelson was well and and outpunched in jabs and power punches. Not many close rounds either. The judge who had the fight only 115-113 for Whitaker must have been scoring on Nelson coming forward and TRYING to land punches, nothing else.

Yeah its disgraceful to think that if Nelson won just one more round he would have scored that fight a draw. It was an out and out whitewash. Nelson won 2 or 3 rounds at most and one of those rounds he won only becuase Whitaker clowned and lifted Azumah's leg.

Some judges (and fans) just never took to (or understood) Whitaker's style. I think that, probably more than corruption, was the reason we saw such rediculous scores in some of his fights.

Could you just imagine if Whitaker won two more rounds in the DLH fight and STILL lost the decision? Could of happened.

[Robbi]

:patsch Are you kidding me? Pea seemed to put it all together at 140, he was awesome there as he was at 135. Pea is also AWESOME against pressure fighters. Hatton is the perfect style to look silly against Pea. At 140, Pea was the full fighter, good pop, stayed in front of you, threw off combinations, threw punches at a high workrate, everything. Early on at 135, he seemed to be more of a runner than later in his career, which is why he was branded one early. Combined with his style in his latter days and his phytsical ability at 135 he was unbelievable. At 140 he was just as good as at 135, he just didn't get to prove it as he didn't fight there often.

Whitaker was awesome at 140lbs against Pineda. He was firing on all cylinders that night behind the jab. It was a pure boxing display from start to finish. Pineda came into the fight with a record of 28-1 (26KO), yet was made to look like a fighter who was making his pro debut that night as Whitaker creamed him so badly. 12 years later, Pineda lost a split decision to Judah.

I think Whitaker beats Duran at 135lbs, so Hatton aint a problem at 140lbs.

Don't let my avatar fool you, Duran is my favourite fighter of all time.

[Rock0052]

Whitaker vs Duran at 135.....now THAT'S a fight I couldn't pick a winner in.

[joe the great]

Now you are just blatantly lying. You're a fucking liar to the highest degree. No publication scored it more than draw? Stop! Please fucking stop now! Goddamnit you're pissing me off with your bold faced lies.
I am not a liar. As soon as I find some of my old magazines I share the pub with you. How dare you call me a GD liar.:bbb

[Robbi]

I am not a liar. As soon as I find some of my old magazines I share the pub with you. How dare you call me a GD liar.:bbb

:bush

[joe the great]

Regarding the Nelson fight. It was a clear as a bright blue sky win for Whitaker. One judge had the fight 115-113 for Whitaker, but that in itself was a scandal, even though Whitaker did get the nod on all three judges cards. Nelson was outpunched in jabs and punches shots. Not many close rounds either. The judge who had the fight only 115-113 for Whitaker must have been scoring on Nelson coming forward and TRYING to land punches, nothing else.
Yeah I agree like I said I don't remember what I had it scored I do remember I had Whitaker winning. Probably more than the judges did.

[Robbi]

Yeah I agree like I said I don't remember what I had it scored I do remember I had Whitaker winning. Probably more than the judges did.

Yeah, if you watch the fight again you'll more than likely score 9 rounds for Whitaker.

[Robbi]

Yeah its disgraceful to think that if Nelson won just one more round he would have scored that fight a draw. It was an out and out whitewash. Nelson won 2 or 3 rounds at most and one of those rounds he won only becuase Whitaker clowned and lifted Azumah's leg.

Some judges (and fans) just never took to (or understood) Whitaker's style. I think that, probably more than corruption, was the reason we saw such rediculous scores in some of his fights.

Could you just imagine if Whitaker won two more rounds in the DLH fight and STILL lost the decision? Could of happened.

That 115-113 scorcard is one of the worst I have ever seen. Even though that judge still had Whitaker winning the fight.

[Black2023]

This may well be a formality, but would like to see how you guys think this fight would shape up over 12 rounds.

Whitaker v Hatton, light-welterweight, 140lbs.

:lol:

[Don't Sleep]

This may well be a formality, but would like to see how you guys think this fight would shape up over 12 rounds.

Whitaker v Hatton, light-welterweight, 140lbs.

Whitaker by stoppage late rounds.

[Rudyard]

:lol: at this thread...Sweet Pea movement and slickness will give Hatton fits.

[ImElvis666]

If Hatton won 3 rounds against Sweet Pea it would be an achievement.

[IntentionalButt]

If Hatton won 3 rounds against Sweet Pea it would be an achievement.

By "win", do you mean "just lose 10-9 instead of 10-8..."?

[ImElvis666]

By "win", do you mean "just lose 10-9 instead of 10-8..."?

No, I mean not get stopped! :blurp

[Opti]

Whitaker and i don't think it's even close

[JunitoJab]

Sweet Pea. No doubt.

[FilipMNE]

Whitaker real easy!
Here should be public voting just to see some moron picking Hatton :D

[IntentionalButt]

No, I mean not get stopped! :blurp

:yep

Every round Hatton doesn't get stopped is a moral victory here. :good

(and that actually goes for this same match-up @ 147)

[elmaldito]

whitaker KO in 5 or less