So pbf is gone

[JM22]

Where will you rank him in ATG

[Ziggy Montana]

Where will you rank him in ATGHe's not gone.

[bladerunner]

Behind Roy Jones and ahead of the Big Show.

[cardstars]

honestly probably 30-40 range for me

[glscotland]

he had the potential to be ranked much higher than people would rank him. If he had fought margarito and cotto and won people would have ranked him alot higher

[Thread Stealer]

He's gone for a couple weeks.

[cardstars]

he had the potential to be ranked much higher than people would rank him. If he had fought margarito and cotto and won people would have ranked him alot higher

OH YEH. If he would have beaten Cotto convincingly he would have been surefire top 20 ATG with a lot of people arguing 10-15 range. Then 20-30 years from now he probably would have settled in the 5-12 range

[bladerunner]

OH YEH. If he would have beaten Cotto convincingly he would have been surefire top 20 ATG with a lot of people arguing 10-15 range. Then 20-30 years from now he probably would have settled in the 5-12 range
5-12 are you crazy?

[The Funny Man 7]

This one is for real!!!

[glscotland]

5-12 are you crazy?
if he had beaten cotto and marg,i say people would rank him between 15-30 instead of 30-50:good

[cardstars]

5-12 are you crazy?

I said 20-30 years down the road (if he were to beat Cotto convincingly). Thats not a ridiculous statement by any means. I mean the guy would have cleaned house 130-147 and retired undefeated (including picking up a belt at 154)

[cardstars]

if he had beaten cotto and marg,i say people would rank him between 15-30 instead of 30-50:good

People would rank him 15-25 right now and that would have dropped lower over time. Its what always happens when people look back in retrospect.....

[bladerunner]

I said 20-30 years down the road (if he were to beat Cotto convincingly). Thats not a ridiculous statement by any means. I mean the guy would have cleaned house 130-147 and retired undefeated (including picking up a belt at 154)
most people dont even have Ray Leonard in theyre top 10 or 15 and theres no way that Floyd ranks ahead of SRL.

[Spitbucket]

People would rank him 15-25 right now and that would have dropped lower over time. Its what always happens when people look back in retrospect.....

Would like to see a list of these boxing geniuses:deal

[CJLightweight]

Would like to see a list of these boxing geniuses:deal


:rofl :rofl :rofl

[pipe wrenched]

Alright, it seems I've missed some important info. WTF is everybody talking about?? Did PBF say he's done for good or something??

[cardstars]

most people dont even have Ray Leonard in theyre top 10 or 15 and theres no way that Floyd ranks ahead of SRL.

Disagree there, Leonard generally falls 10-15 on most lists I have seen and why wouldn't Floyd if he beat Cotto CONVINCINGLY (keyword)? I am also basing this off of Cotto going on to accomplish more, which I think is a given. There should be no argument that he would be 15-25 on most lists if he were to beat Cotto convincingly, and over time people typically look back on fighters with more respect so I could see lots of people having him at 10 or so

[boxeo#1]

he had the potential to be ranked much higher than people would rank him. If he had fought margarito and cotto and won people would have ranked him alot higher

I see Floyd coming out of retirement to fight Cotto if Cotto's stock goes up some more. Same counts for Margo, but I think Cotto is more likely.

I'm curious what Oscar has to say about this (It will be all staged of course since they are promoting together aren't they?), even though it's all show.

[cardstars]

Alright, it seems I've missed some important info. WTF is everybody talking about?? Did PBF say he's done for good or something??

LOL yeh he did. I found out about 2 hrs ago and have been stuck on the computer since :lol:

[pipe wrenched]

LOL yeh he did. I found out about 2 hrs ago and have been stuck on the computer since :lol:

:huh Damn. Not even the ODH fight or nothing?

[cardstars]

I think people are mixing up my words, since they are just jumping in and reading certain things and responding. Regardless, I have been on here for 2 freaking hours now and gotta get going. Read through all of what I wrote and actually think about it. I don't think anything I said was completely ridiculous regarding PBF, aside from maybe the FIVE to 12 comment, so ill stick more to the 10 comment from my last post. I don't think thats nuts......especially considering the fact that I have never even really been a fan of his :lol:

[cardstars]

:huh Damn. Not even the ODH fight or nothing?

nope, all over supposedly

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Definitely the best fighter of his generation. In the top 10 to of the all time greats up there with Charley Burley, the real Sugar Ray, the other Sugar Ray, Duran, Benny Leonard, Salvador Sanchez, Muhammed Ali, the great Jack Johnson, the legendary Azumah Nelson, Marvelous Marvin and the real Hitman Tommy Hearns.

I will miss him.

[Fab2333]

Definitely the best fighter of his generation. In the top 10 to of the all time greats up there with Charley Burley, the real Sugar Ray, the other Sugar Ray, Duran, Benny Leonard, Salvador Sanchez, Muhammed Ali, the great Jack Johnson, the legendary Azumah Nelson, Marvelous Marvin and the real Hitman Tommy Hearns.

I will miss him.

top 10 all time? or p4p?

[Outboxer]

most people dont even have Ray Leonard in theyre top 10 or 15 and theres no way that Floyd ranks ahead of SRL.

Anyone who doesn't rank Leonard in a top 10/15 list better have a damned good excuse. In fact, I don't think that can even be excused, actually.

[Pimp C]

Top 30 ATG:deal

[Olu G. Rotimi]

top 10 all time? or p4p?

Arguably top 10 to 20 of all time. Definitely P4P the best of his generation a complete fighter offensively and defensively with the best mental game.

[McGrain]

Arguably top 10 to 20 of all time. Definitely P4P the best of his generation a complete fighter offensively and defensively with the best mental game.


I think top 10 is not justifiable. Top 20? I'd like to see that list.

I have him at around 40. I'll wait for the dust to settle, but I think that is basically about right.

[McGrain]

if he had beaten cotto and marg,i say people would rank him between 15-30 instead of 30-50:good

Yeah, that's a about right.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Yeah, that's a about right.

With all due respect PBF would not have been found wanting in any era. The real McCoy. He is arguably the greatest Junior Lightweight ever. He was also unbeatable at 140 pounds. Some people don't like which is fair enough but never mistake the persona for the fighter a supreme professional who had an innate ability to do what ever was required to win. It still makes me laugh to think there were people who gave Hatton a chance against PBF. As for those on the Cotto bandwagon the fact is that this fight could have been made years ago but Bob Arum("the Bobfather") did not want to sacrifice Cotto on the altar of PBF. Margarito against Mayweather would be Hatton all over again just worse and target practice for a sharp shooter like PBF. Nothing left to prove. Margarito is only a great fighter to those who considered Gatti and Micky Ward great fighters rather than great entertainers due to their Kamikaze style.

[richie leon]

I have him borderline top-25 and i still hope he fights Cotto at some point, but if he really stays retired, he should get some more respect for it, when you consider the amount of shit fighters get when they "stick around for too long".