PvP top10 BBC

[yesihavearm]

The BBC's PvP top10 list is as follows:

1.Floyd Mayweather Jr
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Winky Wright
4.Jermain Taylor
5.Juan Manuel Marquez
6.Joe Calzaghe
7.Shane Mosely
8.Oscar de la Hoya
9.Bernard Hopkins
10.Marco Antonio Barrera

My own personal top10 would be something like

1. Floyd Mayweather - Easily switchable with PacMan and Rafael
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Rafael Marquez
4. Winky Wright - Easily switchable with B-hop and Jc
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Joe Calzaghe
7. Shane Mosely
8. Chris John - Awsome win over Juan Manuel Marquez
9. Miguel Cotto - Same but over Judah
10. Jermain Taylor - As much as it pains me to say it. Taylors accomplishments far outweight his ability. You cant leave him out untill someone beats him.

I think we'll see a lot of changes in the pound for pound list. I think as soon as someone beats Taylor he'll be gone from it for a long time if not forever. Cotto could fall out of it or skyrocket to the top end if he wins his next fight in whats a powerpacked division. If SSM fights Floyd the winner of that could solidfy number 1 spot as could the winner of winky vs bhop. A win for JC over Kessler would see him into the top3 easily. Marquez over Vasquez again would see him have a real chance at number 1. It's all to play for.

Any thoughts and changes ?

[PH|LLA]

BBC's list is shameful

[yesihavearm]

I would put Marco in the list even though he lost, but it was controversial.

Yeah its tough to leave some people out. Instead of who would you put him in ?

[jimmie]

The BBC's PvP top10 list is as follows:

1.Floyd Mayweather Jr
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Winky Wright
4.Jermain Taylor
5.Juan Manuel Marquez
6.Joe Calzaghe
7.Shane Mosely
8.Oscar de la Hoya
9.Bernard Hopkins
10.Marco Antonio Barrera

My own personal top10 would be something like

1. Floyd Mayweather - Easily switchable with PacMan and Rafael
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Rafael Marquez
4. Winky Wright - Easily switchable with B-hop and Jc
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Joe Calzaghe
7. Shane Mosely
8. Chris John - Awsome win over Juan Manuel Marquez
9. Miguel Cotto - Same but over Judah
10. Jermain Taylor - As much as it pains me to say it. Taylors accomplishments far outweight his ability. You cant leave him out untill someone beats him.

I think we'll see a lot of changes in the pound for pound list. I think as soon as someone beats Taylor he'll be gone from it for a long time if not forever. Cotto could fall out of it or skyrocket to the top end if he wins his next fight in whats a powerpacked division. If SSM fights Floyd the winner of that could solidfy number 1 spot as could the winner of winky vs bhop. A win for JC over Kessler would see him into the top3 easily. Marquez over Vasquez again would see him have a real chance at number 1. It's all to play for.

Any thoughts and changes ?

Chris John awesome win over JMM :huh Its widely considered among the most blantent and horrible robberies in the history of boxing.

[deram]

1.Floyd Mayweather Jr
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Winky Wright
4.Jermain Taylor
5.Joe Calzaghe

This would be my top 5 based on a mix of actual level and accomplishments.

In terms of pure skill:

1. PBF
2. Kessler
3. Cotto
4. Dawson
5. Pacqiao
6. Calzaghe

[WhataRock]

Chris John awesome win over JMM :huh Its widely considered among the most blantent and horrible robberies in the history of boxing.

I wouldnt say that
It was a pretty clear win for Marquez though.

[jyuza]

Marquez can't be P4P best, not right now. Calzaghe is ranked higher than Hopkins ? This is awful, just like Oscar is ranked higher than Barrera, even though he fought well against the P4P best.
And Cotto definitely deserves to be P4P 6 at least.

[theunderdog]

i don't think rafael marquez is easily switchable with mayweather. i don't consider him being at the top5

[China_hand_Joe]

1.Floyd Mayweather Jr
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Winky Wright
4.Jermain Taylor
5.Joe Calzaghe

This would be my top 5 based on a mix of actual level and accomplishments.

In terms of pure skill:

1. PBF
2. Kessler
3. Cotto
4. Dawson
5. Pacqiao
6. Calzaghe

You must be the only person in the world who moves Joe down on the skill list!

[theHawtness]

The BBC's PvP top10 list is as follows:

1.Floyd Mayweather Jr
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Winky Wright
4.Jermain Taylor
5.Juan Manuel Marquez
6.Joe Calzaghe
7.Shane Mosely
8.Oscar de la Hoya
9.Bernard Hopkins
10.Marco Antonio Barrera

My own personal top10 would be something like

1. Floyd Mayweather - Easily switchable with PacMan and Rafael
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Rafael Marquez
4. Winky Wright - Easily switchable with B-hop and Jc
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Joe Calzaghe
7. Shane Mosely
8. Chris John - Awsome win over Juan Manuel Marquez
9. Miguel Cotto - Same but over Judah
10. Jermain Taylor - As much as it pains me to say it. Taylors accomplishments far outweight his ability. You cant leave him out untill someone beats him.


chris john top 8?! not even top 20 for me!

[China_hand_Joe]

Marquez can't be P4P best, not right now. Calzaghe is ranked higher than Hopkins ? This is awful, just like Oscar is ranked higher than Barrera, even though he fought well against the P4P best.
And Cotto definitely deserves to be P4P 6 at least.

Hopkins is old and simply not that good now. Certainly not as good as Calzaghe, no matter what he might realistically do to Wright.

Two performance like those of Hopkins against Taylor do not put you above Calzaghe.

He is old, let it go, he is not longer an upper end elite fighter.

[K0NPHL1C7]

You must be the only person in the world who moves Joe down on the skill list!

Umm....When he starts landing clean punches at the end of his glove, I'll start giving him credit for "skill". Currently, his little patty-cake flurries display nothing but speed.

[jyuza]

Hopkins is old and simply not that good now. Certainly not as good as Calzaghe, no matter what he might realistically do to Wright.

Two performance like those of Hopkins against Taylor do not put you above Calzaghe.

He is old, let it go, he is not longer an upper end elite fighter.

Excuse me sir but Hopkins beat Tarver like no one did before, not even Roy Jones.
Calzaghe beat ..... Manfredo. Can't compare him to Tarver, really.

It doesn't matter if he is old or shot (which is certainly not), only his results prevail.

[China_hand_Joe]

Manfredo is probably equal but different to Tarver at this point in time.

Tarver was nothing by the time Hopkins got to him.

[Max Molyneux]

1.Floyd Mayweather Jr
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Winky Wright
4.Jermain Taylor
5.Joe Calzaghe

This would be my top 5 based on a mix of actual level and accomplishments.

In terms of pure skill:

1. PBF
2. Kessler
3. Cotto
4. Dawson
5. Pacqiao
6. Calzaghe

The best skilled fighter Pac fought gave him a boxing lesson!:patsch

Calzaghe Is much more skilled that Manny.

PBF boxes but doesn't fight, Calzaghe does both.

[PBF P4P #1]

1. Floyd Mayweather, Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Winky Wright
5. Rafael Marquez
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7. Joe Calzaghe
8. Jermain Taylor
9. Sugar Shane Mosley
10. Marco Antonio Barrera

11. Cotto
12. Hatton
13. Castillo
14. Casamayor
15. Spinks
16. De La Hoya
17. Kessler
18. John
19. Klitschko
20. Calderon

Next: (in no order) Margarito, Darchinyan, Soto, Juan Diaz, Witter, etc.

[El Cepillo]

The BBC's PvP top10 list is as follows:

1.Floyd Mayweather Jr
2.Manny Pacquiao
3.Winky Wright
4.Jermain Taylor
5.Juan Manuel Marquez
6.Joe Calzaghe
7.Shane Mosely
8.Oscar de la Hoya
9.Bernard Hopkins
10.Marco Antonio Barrera

My own personal top10 would be something like

1. Floyd Mayweather - Easily switchable with PacMan and Rafael
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Rafael Marquez
4. Winky Wright - Easily switchable with B-hop and Jc
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Joe Calzaghe
7. Shane Mosely
8. Chris John - Awsome win over Juan Manuel Marquez
9. Miguel Cotto - Same but over Judah
10. Jermain Taylor - As much as it pains me to say it. Taylors accomplishments far outweight his ability. You cant leave him out untill someone beats him.

I think we'll see a lot of changes in the pound for pound list. I think as soon as someone beats Taylor he'll be gone from it for a long time if not forever. Cotto could fall out of it or skyrocket to the top end if he wins his next fight in whats a powerpacked division. If SSM fights Floyd the winner of that could solidfy number 1 spot as could the winner of winky vs bhop. A win for JC over Kessler would see him into the top3 easily. Marquez over Vasquez again would see him have a real chance at number 1. It's all to play for.

Any thoughts and changes ?

I long for the days when Oscar was in the P4P elite :cool:

[futonrevolution]

Wow. How many hours did it take for you to find and unnecessarily resurrect this thread? :roll:

[China_hand_Joe]

After just watching Kessler's fights against Mundine, Beyer and Andrade I fail to see how anyone would think that Kessler is the favouite to beat Calzaghe is their proposed sep/nov bout takes place.

What I saw of Kessler was impressive. He has a very good jab, its snappy and powerful, and he's at home following them up with stiff straight-rights which he seems to get good leverage on. He totally nullified Beyer with the jab and showed good power in order to get the ko, the same can nearly be said of Andrade if it wasnt for his freakish chin.

Kessler was also very impressive against Mundine, who's a very intelligent boxer. I had Mundine up 3-1 after the 4th round. Mundine used his superior speed to his advantage and landed solidly on a few occasions, but its more to be said about Mundine's lack of power than the solidness of Kesslers chin. Kessler then used the jab and big phsyical presence to keep Mundine on the back foot untill he eventually wore him down. All in all a very good showing by the dane against whats easily his best opponent.

However

Kessler has not been in the ring with anyone anywhere near Calzaghe's calibre or experience.

The arguement that lots of Kessler supporters use to discredit Calzaghe is the names of his opponents on his resume. This arguement could be used against Kessler even more so.

Kessler's best opposition:

Mundine - Good opponent, credit where credits due.

Besides that he's fought the human punchbag Andrade. A totally shot Beyer, who was never world class to begin with. Former WBC champ Eric Lucas. The only other possible exception being Craig Cummings who's fought some decent fighters but then again got absolutely destroyed by a world class Steve Collins.

If you compare them with Calzaghe's' resume:

Eubank (Not at his best, but still only 33, 2 years younger than Calz is now)
Robin Reid - Former WBC SMW champ
Ritchie Woodhall - Former WBC SMW champ
Charles Brewer - Former IBF SMW champ
Byron Mitchell - Former WBA SMW champ
Omar Sheika
Mario Veit x2 - Very similar to Kessler, more on him later.
Evans Ashira (With only 1 hand for nearly the whole fight and still won on a wide margin)
Saiko Bika - Difficult awkward opponent

And a shutout over Jeff Lacy who was rated in very similar fashion to the way Kessler is now and praised by Marvin Hagler to be "Top 6 pvp in the world", obviously before the Calzaghe fight.

There's no arguing that Calzaghe's resume isnt great, but it kicks the crap out of Kessler's.

Also has anyone noticed how similar Mario Veit and Mikkel Kessler are in regards to their fighting styles and skills ? Ok everything that Veit does Kessler does far far better, but in regards to the way they come forward and use their size and jab.

Calzaghe TKO 1 Veit
Calzaghe TKO 6 Veit - In Germany

Not drawing any comparisons


Head to Head

Kessler definatly has the edge in power, and he has the advantage of youth and strong hands, and has a great jab.


Calzaghe is in a different league with speed, he also has a good job, and posesses superior boxing skills. Calzaghe's movement and footwork are also better than Kessler's. His "swarm" style of attack is perfectly suited to Kessler's style and I just cant see what Kessler's going to do against it. Sure he's got a great jab, but Calzaghe's going to be too fast for him to be effective. Joe will go in on the inside and throw punches in quick combinations which will force Kessler to defend as his most effecitve weapon which is his jab will be neutralised. I think if Kessler's going to win it's going to have to be a knockout or Calzaghe's going to have to break both his hands (We've seen he's as effective with just the one hand), but as we know from experience Calzaghe has a great chin, where as Kessler's is relatively untested.

Calzaghe UD 12 Kessler

117 - 111
116 - 112
116 - 112

This isnt to say Kessler isnt a good fighter because I definatly think he's the number 2 SMW in the division and would beat Taylor/Pavlik/Miranda and the severely overhyped Dawson. I just think this is a fight of styles and is probably one step to many for Mikkel.

Definatly good things to come from Kessler in the future.

As for Calzaghe...winner of Bhop/Wright in Feb ?

Lets hope so.

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