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southpawslick
06-07-2008, 10:10 PM
I predict gold for Tischenko, Vodopyanov, Selimov, Korobov and if he's healthy Timurziev.
avk47
06-08-2008, 10:23 AM
I predict gold for Tischenko, Vodopyanov, Selimov, Korobov and if he's healthy Timurziev.
Another guy who likes Russian boxing :good
I would agree with your picks, although Tischenko isn't doing as well as he used to. Not as confident of his chances as I used to.
A lot of countries have really improved as well, like Great Britain, USA and Italy, so its not longer a Russia-Cuba type situation.
JimmyMac87
06-08-2008, 10:46 AM
frank gavin for gold
Kolya
06-08-2008, 02:24 PM
I think Beterbiev can win 178. That division just looks wide open, no one seems to really stand out. I have doubts about Chakhiev though.
Mendoza
06-08-2008, 04:53 PM
I think Beterbiev can win 178. That division just looks wide open, no one seems to really stand out. I have doubts about Chakhiev though.
Beterbeiv can win the Val Barker trophy for best fighter in the Olympics. I wish there was a one time PPV charge to see all the matches. I'd buy it.
Kolya
06-08-2008, 05:54 PM
Beterbeiv can win the Val Barker trophy for best fighter in the Olympics. I wish there was a one time PPV charge to see all the matches. I'd buy it.
Beterbiev isn't better than someone like Rau'shee ******, Zou Shiming, Matvei Korobov, or Demetrius Andrade. He's not even the best member of the Russian team (I'd give that to Korobov). He has a fun style to watch, to be sure, though.
avk47
06-08-2008, 06:29 PM
Beterbiev isn't better than someone like Rau'shee ******, Zou Shiming, Matvei Korobov, or Demetrius Andrade. He's not even the best member of the Russian team (I'd give that to Korobov). He has a fun style to watch, to be sure, though.
I think Beterbiev has a really fun style, but in terms of nice boxing I'd even prefer Vodopyanov. In my opinion Korobov is the number 1 p4p amateur.
Artani
06-08-2008, 09:19 PM
Naim Terbunja for gold, silver or bronze.
southpawslick
06-08-2008, 09:50 PM
Kolya's correct about Beterbiev. Looks like the Russians could clean up this time. The revelation of this one could be Sergey Vodopyanov the 54kg WC. He's lightening fast and switches from southpaw to orthodox and back with ease. He's young but if he has a good tournament he could be a star.
Artani
06-08-2008, 09:52 PM
Who will be star of Olimpics this year ?
What you think ?
avk47
06-08-2008, 09:53 PM
Kolya's correct about Beterbiev. Looks like the Russians could clean up this time. The revelation of this one could be Sergey Vodopyanov the 54kg WC. He's lightening fast and switches from southpaw to orthodox and back with ease. He's young but if he has a good tournament he could be a star.
First time I saw him was in last years Russian nationals. He was 19 years old, and I was really impressed. I expect great things from him!
southpawslick
06-08-2008, 09:54 PM
I think Beterbiev can win 178. That division just looks wide open, no one seems to really stand out. I have doubts about Chakhiev though.
I too have doubts about Chakhiev and think that if Romanchuk had that spot he would be a shoe in for the gold, but Chakhiev beat him fair and square. I hope Romanchuk turns pro soon. He has a lot of potential in my opinion.
southpawslick
06-08-2008, 09:55 PM
First time I saw him was in last years Russian nationals. He was 19 years old, and I was really impressed. I expect great things from him! Yea all I have read about him were glowing reports. His fight in Chicago against the Mongolian is on youtube.
Kolya
06-09-2008, 06:09 PM
I too have doubts about Chakhiev and think that if Romanchuk had that spot he would be a shoe in for the gold, but Chakhiev beat him fair and square. I hope Romanchuk turns pro soon. He has a lot of potential in my opinion.
From what I remember CHakhiev lost a close decision in Russia to Deontay Wilder. Doesn't exactly bode well, but maybe he had an off night. I think it's a shame, AVK told me Romanchuk and Lebziak had a falling out and that's why Romanchuk kind of got the shaft on the team. I agree about Vodpyanov, but 54kg could be an interesting class. He's the stand out, and Gary Russell can seem to be inconsistent, but when he's on he's a good one. The draw will come into play in a lot of weight classes I think; although I see someone like Korobov pretty much being immune to it, like Povetkin was.
southpawslick
06-10-2008, 08:46 AM
From what I remember CHakhiev lost a close decision in Russia to Deontay Wilder. Doesn't exactly bode well, but maybe he had an off night. I think it's a shame, AVK told me Romanchuk and Lebziak had a falling out and that's why Romanchuk kind of got the shaft on the team. I agree about Vodpyanov, but 54kg could be an interesting class. He's the stand out, and Gary Russell can seem to be inconsistent, but when he's on he's a good one. The draw will come into play in a lot of weight classes I think; although I see someone like Korobov pretty much being immune to it, like Povetkin was.
Yes Chakhiev lost to Wilder by the closest of scores-11:10.
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I had no idea Romanchuk had a falling out with Lebziak. I guess his amateur career is pretty much over then.
avk47
06-10-2008, 09:09 AM
Yes Chakhiev lost to Wilder by the closest of scores-11:10.
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I had no idea Romanchuk had a falling out with Lebziak. I guess his amateur career is pretty much over then.
He had an ongoing falling out with Lebziak and a lot of the Russian national team management. Every time it happened he would start going on about going pro. Considering Chakhiev did narrowly beat him, he had very little chance of making the team. Some people who were there tell me Romanchuk was beter during the selection sparring but the place was given to Chakhiev anyway. Personally, I think Romanchuk had more of a chance of winning, however, if we see him again I think its likely he will be in the pros.
He should have tried to switch to the Ukrainian team - he is, after all, Ukrainian.
southpawslick
06-10-2008, 10:11 AM
He had an ongoing falling out with Lebziak and a lot of the Russian national team management. Every time it happened he would start going on about going pro. Considering Chakhiev did narrowly beat him, he had very little chance of making the team. Some people who were there tell me Romanchuk was beter during the selection sparring but the place was given to Chakhiev anyway. Personally, I think Romanchuk had more of a chance of winning, however, if we see him again I think its likely he will be in the pros.
He should have tried to switch to the Ukrainian team - he is, after all, Ukrainian.
Thanks avk47, thats awesome insight. Yea I think Romanchuk should go pro now for sure. In fact there should be a few guys looking to turn pro now-Ismail Sallakh, maybe Denis Poyatsika, surely Timurziev after the olympics are over and probably a few others as well.
avk47
06-10-2008, 12:47 PM
Thanks avk47, thats awesome insight. Yea I think Romanchuk should go pro now for sure. In fact there should be a few guys looking to turn pro now-Ismail Sallakh, maybe Denis Poyatsika, surely Timurziev after the olympics are over and probably a few others as well.
Korobov? Maybe as well. His parents immigrated to the US a few years ago, and he goes there a lot, so he could maybe sign with one of the US promoters. It's all speculation though isn't it. Many guys may want to remain amateur, which is fine with me. I love amateur boxing and probably watch more of it than the pros!
Where are you from Southpaw? and who is in your picture? I cant recognise cause we only see his back.
Kolya
06-10-2008, 01:37 PM
Thanks avk47, thats awesome insight. Yea I think Romanchuk should go pro now for sure. In fact there should be a few guys looking to turn pro now-Ismail Sallakh, maybe Denis Poyatsika, surely Timurziev after the olympics are over and probably a few others as well.
I heard a rumor-RUMOR-that Ismail Silakh had tested positive for a banned substance and wouldn't be allowed to compete in Beijing. We'll have to see how that one unfolds though. There's a lot of rumors going around now.
That's not a rumour for once. :yep
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avk47
06-10-2008, 02:37 PM
That's not a rumour for once. :yep
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Yep, Silakh seems to be out. Confirmed.
kenmore
06-10-2008, 05:35 PM
Has anyone heard anything new about Timurziev's status? Two weeks ago it was rumored he might not be fighting in the Olympics.
southpawslick
06-10-2008, 09:55 PM
Korobov? Maybe as well. His parents immigrated to the US a few years ago, and he goes there a lot, so he could maybe sign with one of the US promoters. It's all speculation though isn't it. Many guys may want to remain amateur, which is fine with me. I love amateur boxing and probably watch more of it than the pros!
Where are you from Southpaw? and who is in your picture? I cant recognise cause we only see his back.
I'm American but I cheer for fighters I admire no matter what country they are from and Russia (and Eastern Europe in general) has so much talent its hard not to like to watch them. I too like the amateurs and only wish they would show it more on TV here.
That is Romanchuk and Solis in the avatar.
PaddyD1983
06-11-2008, 08:49 AM
frank gavin for gold
:good
And hopefully David Price can get to the medals as well
avk47
06-11-2008, 09:04 AM
:good
And hopefully David Price can get to the medals as well
I think Gavin has a very good chance of winning. I'm interested to see whether his win over Tischenko was one-off, or whether he has indeed surpassed him. I really rate Gavin.
I don't think Price is in the top three of the world right now, but with a favourable draw, he may get that far.
sandwedge
06-24-2008, 12:41 PM
I think darren sutherland and paddy barnes with a good draw.
dwilson
06-28-2008, 11:09 PM
I can not see any of the Brits or Irish fighters getting a gold. Maybe Frankie Gavin will get a semi final place but I doubt we will see much more from these guys. The team has come on in recent times but this competition will be won by other nation fighters.
Mendoza
08-05-2008, 10:32 PM
A link to the schedule.
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Frankie Gavin has pulled out due to weight issues.
I guess that makes Tischenko a clear favorite at lightweight now.
avk47
08-07-2008, 10:04 PM
Meanwhile, Islam Timurziev is modeling as the new Rocky:
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COULDHAVEBEEN
08-08-2008, 01:58 AM
Here's a bolter to look out for - Aussie aboriginal lightweight ANTHONY LITTLE. A rank outsider if ever there was one. But may surprise a few.
Dantes
08-08-2008, 04:09 AM
Jarrod Fletcher from Australia should hopefully medal at 75kg :p
11player
08-08-2008, 06:56 PM
Just watched the schedule, no early big matchups at superheavyweight for what I've seen.
How does it work in the olympics? all the schedule is already set up in advance till the final or do they do some kind of lottery between the winners for the next phase?
Just watched the schedule, no early big matchups at superheavyweight for what I've seen.
Well, Timurziev fights David Price and Glazkov Alfonso, that's decent match-ups.
all the schedule is already set up in advance till the final
That's how it is.
avk47
08-09-2008, 01:14 AM
I have an odd feeling that Price is going to win.
Nah, Timurziev has been punching frozen meat in a refrigerator. He is not to be stopped.
kenmore
08-11-2008, 01:47 AM
I have an odd feeling that Price is going to win.
Highly unlikely. Timurziev and Cammarelle are the overwhelming favorites to win gold. Even Zhang Zhilei and Cuban Robert Alfonso are rated far below them by oddsmakers.
Here are the superheavyweight betting odds:
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Kolya
08-11-2008, 03:37 AM
Poor Selimov, talk about a shit draw.
Edit-He took that loss terribly and was a poor sport about it; but man, that khokhol was cocky.
lefty
08-11-2008, 06:58 AM
Poor Selimov, talk about a shit draw.
Edit-He took that loss terribly and was a poor sport about it; but man, that khokhol was cocky.
The russian deserved it, he was the one who started the hand gestures, he got outboxed and was either too lazy or not good enough to cut off the ring.
COULDHAVEBEEN
08-11-2008, 09:39 PM
Here's a bolter to look out for - Aussie aboriginal lightweight ANTHONY LITTLE. A rank outsider if ever there was one. But may surprise a few.
Unfortunately our first 4 competitors were eliminated in their first bouts. Paul Fleming had a red-hot go against a Frenchman though.
Anthony Little (LW) got through very well 14 points to 2, and now faces the Russian competitor, and we've still got Brad Pitt (HW) to come.
Farmboxer
08-12-2008, 03:22 AM
I worry about the bad scoring. It has been terrible.
PaddyD1983
08-12-2008, 04:21 PM
Highly unlikely. Timurziev and Cammarelle are the overwhelming favorites to win gold. Even Zhang Zhilei and Cuban Robert Alfonso are rated far below them by oddsmakers.
Here are the superheavyweight betting odds:
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I'm going out on a limb and agreeing with Violent Retard, I think Price has enough to get to the semis. His bout tomorrow will probably be the toughest of the tournament for him but I fear that the Italian may have his number.
Come on son... bring one home!
Kolya
08-12-2008, 07:36 PM
You seriously think Price will beat Timurziev?
You seriously think Price will beat Timurziev?
Us Brits always think we have a chance, no matter the odds :D.
Kolya
08-12-2008, 09:10 PM
American boxers are dropping like flies. They only have two left that can and most certainly WILL medal. Many of these guys are young, strong and talented boxers but something is missing. The bulk of the blame must go with the coaches.
The U.S. should have full time amateur boxing coaching network that is not recycled every four years. Many of the coaches seem to use the Amateurs as a springboard for fame in the professional ranks. Kenny Adams comes to mind.
They do-the local coaches, the guys who run the local gyms and bring these guys up. But a lot of the time they don't advance themselves up the chain of coaching levels to get qualified to go internationally. Anyway; Raynell and Demetrius should hopefully medal; and we'll see how Deontay looks, he got a good draw so he could medal too.
COULDHAVEBEEN
08-12-2008, 09:16 PM
I worry about the bad scoring. It has been terrible.
I know where you are coming from. As an example: Watched the UK born 17 year old Aussie fight late last night. Admittedly he didn't set the world on fire. But he wasn't given a point by the judges til the last minute of the 4th round! Come on now! The kid threw punches for 4 rounds, and some did land! Or perhaps I was just seeing things?
While we are at it, who could forget 1984, when the judges awarded Jeff Fenech a 3-2 win against Redzepovski (Yugoslavia) in a quarter final. The jury then reversed the decision and Redzepovski went on to win the silver medal.
The 1988 Olympics saw Roy Jones Jnr cop the shocker, and I guess because he was a Yank, they changed the points scoring system.
There's certainly some very ugly skeletons in the Olympic boxing wardrobe!
Kolya
08-12-2008, 09:30 PM
Good info on the local coaches. :good I forgot about the 201lb boxer. He does have a favorable draw and will medal. I am still suprised how ******'s lack of communication/experience with coaches cost him.
it's awful. Not only that, it was his second Olympics. He's been here before. It's just a huge question of "how did this happen?" Either way, let's root for Yanez and Deontay tonight.
Farmboxer
08-13-2008, 02:27 AM
I have seen some fighters land one punch after another, yet get zero points for doing such. Something needs to be done about the scoring.
Farmboxer
08-13-2008, 02:35 AM
However, I do not trust the scoring so far..........it sucks!
Some upsets today at SHW, Timurziev lost against Price, Pulev lost against the Colombian Rivera, Aflonso lost against Glazkov.
PaddyD1983
08-13-2008, 11:49 AM
I'm going out on a limb and agreeing with Violent Retard, I think Price has enough to get to the semis. His bout tomorrow will probably be the toughest of the tournament for him but I fear that the Italian may have his number.
Come on son... bring one home!
Oh yeah....
COULDHAVEBEEN
08-14-2008, 08:49 PM
The more bouts I watch the more confused I become with the scoring.
There's a large picture in the The Games section of our daily newspaper this morning showing the Moroccan HW Amanissi landing a straight right, with the scoring part of the glove (white dot), to the face of his Chinese opponent. You can see from the picture that there's been a reasonable amount of impact made. The point made in the caption to the picture is that NO POINT WAS SCORED!
Okay, pictures can be misleading. But the scoring, particularly for body punches in this Olympics, has been bloody baffling!!
Meanwhile Anthony Little is the only Aussie into the second round. Good luck from here on Anthony.
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