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ipswich express
06-08-2008, 08:46 AM
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Brutal beatdown...
sallywinder
06-08-2008, 08:53 AM
pavlik copped some early right hands....if the bloke could puch, he might have been in trouble. id love to see mundine fight this bloke. it would be a great fight..
pecks
06-08-2008, 08:54 AM
Cheers Ippy. :good
Did Pavlik call out Calzaghe or someone similar after the fight?
Bentchassis
06-08-2008, 09:18 AM
Thanks for that.
Another impressive performance, copped a few but..
Kegsy
06-08-2008, 12:06 PM
Pavlik looked strong as always.
Pavlik KO Mundine as i have always said.
Strong but robotic, where are his opponents that actually move side to side.
I dont think i've seen a more robotic fighter than him in recent times, his fans are building him up crazily just in time for Joe to embarass him and retire a god in the UK
pecks
06-08-2008, 12:32 PM
Strong but robotic, where are his opponents that actually move side to side.
I dont think i've seen a more robotic fighter than him in recent times, his fans are building him up crazily just in time for Joe to embarass him and retire a god in the UKYep. Calzaghe/Pavlik will be the biggest 'I told you so' fight to the US fans since LAcy/Calzaghe.
Even though I tipped Lacy, though that was more out of lack of knowledge of Calzaghe and me wanting to see him get beaten.
Pav is really effective in what he does but his style will be made to look foolish by Joe if he is on song
Yeh, against a mediochre opponent Pavlik looked impressive. Im still, and have been until now, of the opinion that he is overrated.
As pecks has pointed out already, Pavlik/JC fight will be an "I told you so" fight.
JOSEY WALES
06-08-2008, 03:57 PM
Pav is really effective in what he does but his style will be made to look foolish by Joe if he is on song Hold your horses lads , Pavlik will be made to look foolish by none , this proposed fight will be the toughest of Calzaghe's career imo , its no secret that Joe is on the slide and Pavlik is showing all the qualitys needed to pull off the win , in fact i would slightly favour Pavlik here in 2008 and place him as an odds on favourite in 2009 , Well done Gary Lockett .
sambo1987
06-08-2008, 06:43 PM
Pavlik seems to have good killer instinct. When his opponent's hurt he lands smart and effective punches to finish them off. I don't think he'll be able to hurt calzaghe to this extent and calzaghe would just be that little to awkward for him imo. I would like to see this fight though, very intresting.
NICant03
06-08-2008, 08:11 PM
Good performance by Kelly, but Lockett was never going to pose a threat to him. It's a lot easier to hit an opponent who stands right in front of you then one who moves from side to side. Don't get me wrong Kelly hits very hard and is a great finisher, but I worry that he will get hurt himself if he fights an opponent who gives angles and fires back. Kelly V Mundine? Well I won't make a commemt until I see Mundine fight at middle and against a creditable opponent!!
Lets be serious here, Lockett was overmatched and had no power. Pavlik is good but he could be a touch overrated by many in the US. Calzaghe will pressure him all night and frustrate Pavlik .
Honestly guys Kessler wld finish that Lockett guy just as convincinly as Pavlik did and we saw what Calzaghe did to Kessler.
Rise Above
06-09-2008, 01:49 AM
I'd love to see Pavlik vs Kessler or Calzaghe.
pecks
06-09-2008, 02:02 AM
Hold your horses lads , Pavlik will be made to look foolish by none , this proposed fight will be the toughest of Calzaghe's career imo , its no secret that Joe is on the slide and Pavlik is showing all the qualitys needed to pull off the win , in fact i would slightly favour Pavlik here in 2008 and place him as an odds on favourite in 2009 , Well done Gary Lockett .Imo, Calzaghe would give him fits. He's got too much tools for Pavlik, and his angles would make Pav look foolish.
Though teke doesn't base his pick on skills or whatnot, he's tipping Calzaghe simply because he's the blacker out of the two. :p
Hold your horses lads , Pavlik will be made to look foolish by none , this proposed fight will be the toughest of Calzaghe's career imo , its no secret that Joe is on the slide and Pavlik is showing all the qualitys needed to pull off the win , in fact i would slightly favour Pavlik here in 2008 and place him as an odds on favourite in 2009 , Well done Gary Lockett .He was almost made to look very foolish by Taylor in their first fight and there is no doubt in my mind another person will do the same to him in the future.
Joe is on the slide? i've been hearing a shitload of this since he fought Bhop :lol: It may be true but fuck some fans are transparent. I wouldnt even know who to go for if PAv fought Joe but i know Joe has the attributes to give Pav grief.
ipswich express
06-09-2008, 03:31 AM
I'd take Calzaghe over Pavlik. I think Pavlik is the real deal, but Joe has all the skills.
roscoe
06-09-2008, 06:37 AM
Pavlik punches straight, hard & often. He's a real live underdog against JC. Great fight to be made.
JOSEY WALES
06-09-2008, 06:39 AM
He was almost made to look very foolish by Taylor in their first fight and there is no doubt in my mind another person will do the same to him in the future.
Joe is on the slide? i've been hearing a shitload of this since he fought Bhop :lol: It may be true but fuck some fans are transparent. I wouldnt even know who to go for if PAv fought Joe but i know Joe has the attributes to give Pav grief. ALMOST ? lol Yea Pavlik was on queer street for a while but he didn't look foolish , Calzaghe is on the slide but this is still a 50-50 fight , Joes hands are fucked mate , ive been a massive fan of Calzaghe since i saw him as an amature down the local club when he was a kid and followed his career all the way through , but ive seen a few things creep into his game over the last two years that indicate to me he is defo on the slide , will these things become even more apparent v Pavlik ? Yes imo they will , will they be enough of a handicap to see him beaten ? well no , imo Joe has one big fight left in him and if forced to punt on predicting a winner v Pavlik i would pick Joe but i wouldn't be 100% confident in doing so , Calzaghe is on the slide , Age determines this , he ain't like a fine wine that just keeps getting better with age Being a fan of someone is all well and good but i shouldn't blind you to the facts , This fight is your best ever chance to see him beaten Teke , you should embrace it .
ipswich express
06-09-2008, 06:46 AM
Rumours around that the fight's being lined up for October. You certainly can't help but admire Calzaghe and his choice of opponents of late. Great fighter after great fighter. I've followed him since his amature days as well and it's great to see his legacy being established.
Marcus
06-09-2008, 06:48 AM
Kel you said Locket has no power?
I think sparking 20 out of 30 means your power is bloody good. (i better check those numbers but).
Pavlik will KO Joe within 6 imo. I really dont see him being beaten this year or next.
And id rather see Joe beat Roy and retire.
ipswich express
06-09-2008, 06:55 AM
If Taylor's movement meant a close fight in the second, I think Joe's boxing ability will give the Ghost a lot of trouble. He won't be silly and stand toe to toe with him. Just my opinion.
Kel you said Locket has no power?
I think sparking 20 out of 30 means your power is bloody good. (i better check those numbers but).
Pavlik will KO Joe within 6 imo. I really dont see him being beaten this year or next.
And id rather see Joe beat Roy and retire.
Sparking bums hardly counts. I've got a few KO's on my resume down the local pub but don't think my power is over the top :yep
Haumono has a 100% KO record, lets see if that stays the same with 2years fighting in the states.
Lockett has fought mainly bums back in Wales/England etc
Marcus
06-09-2008, 07:11 AM
Sols 12 fights doesnt compare to 30.
I dont call any boxer a bum. And i think a few of those fighters must have had some heart. I wonder if Locket will keep fighting and get his #1 rabking back.
Talk of Mundine fighting Pav, ........ as if, Mundine no way steps up to him, ever!
ipswich express
06-09-2008, 07:13 AM
He's stopped a few handy fighters such as our own Kevin Kelly, Gilbert Eastman, Lee Blundell and Howard Clark twice. He can obviously punch.
ipswich express
06-09-2008, 07:14 AM
I dont call any boxer a bum.
Couldn't agree more.
John Justice
Frank Faasolo
JOSEY WALES
06-09-2008, 11:22 AM
Sparking bums hardly counts. I've got a few KO's on my resume down the local pub but don't think my power is over the top :yep
Haumono has a 100% KO record, lets see if that stays the same with 2years fighting in the states.
Lockett has fought mainly bums back in Wales/England etc Locketts been fighting tough eastern european type fighters , where do you get your info from mate ? , Lockett is a decent fighter its just that he come up against a much better one in Pavlik , Gary earned enough to buy up the two morgages he had out and fought the ring champ in the states , he will continue to fight for a living i reckon , getting slammed by Pavlik is no disgrace .
JOSEY WALES
06-09-2008, 11:32 AM
Rumours around that the fight's being lined up for October. You certainly can't help but admire Calzaghe and his choice of opponents of late. Great fighter after great fighter. I've followed him since his amature days as well and it's great to see his legacy being established. True Ippy , Joe Calzaghe has had an outstanding career when you look at all the fighters he's fought who were then just former Champs or Current champs , he's held all the major titles at one time or another , IBF , WBO , WBC , WBA & Ring Mag title @ S/Middle , Ring mag L/Heavyweight champ Unbeaten since 14 years old all this after being trained by his novice father in a freezing shed up in Newbridge LMFAO take a Bow Chosen Joe . :deal
JOSEY WALES
06-09-2008, 11:44 AM
Rumours around that the fight's being lined up for October. You certainly can't help but admire Calzaghe and his choice of opponents of late. Great fighter after great fighter. I've followed him since his amature days as well and it's great to see his legacy being established. November 15th , Cardiff ;)
pavlik copped some early right hands....if the bloke could puch, he might have been in trouble. id love to see mundine fight this bloke. it would be a great fight..
Breaking news just in.... THAT GUY COULD PUNCH. That was really the only chance he had going in to this fight... A punchers one.
sallywinder
06-09-2008, 08:06 PM
im no fan of mundines, though i respect his wasted talent. if mundine hit pavlik clean with a right hand, id expect pavlik to be in a bit of trouble.
but mundine IS a puncher. despite the nay sayers.
im no fan of mundines, though i respect his wasted talent. if mundine hit pavlik clean with a right hand, id expect pavlik to be in a bit of trouble.
but mundine IS a puncher. despite the nay sayers.
Mundine is a puncher... HAHAHAHAHA. Good one. Keep them coming. I guess someone forget to tell formidble guys like Neivas and Siaca that then hey???
Rumours around that the fight's being lined up for October. You certainly can't help but admire Calzaghe and his choice of opponents of late. Great fighter after great fighter. I've followed him since his amature days as well and it's great to see his legacy being established.
I wouldn't go that far to say great fighter after great fighter. Bika and manfredo are hardly world beaters to someone like Joe. A 43 year old Hopkins certainly wasn't the biggest test out there either. Kessler and lacy were both good fighters in their prime, but that is about it. There isn't much talk about Pavlik v Calzaghe from what i have heard. He is going for RJJ instead. Which is a joke. Just wanting to pad the resume with much faded American legends. Look at the opposition guys like Manny Pac, Marquez, Cotto and other top p4p fighters have faced in recent times in comparison. It has certainly picked up from earlier in his career, but is still far from superb.
Whilst i believe that Joe still has too much class for Pavlik, this is a very close fight right now. Pavlik is better than people give credit for. Fast becoming one of my favourite fighters.
Whilst i believe that Joe still has too much class for Pavlik, this is a very close fight right now. Pavlik is better than people give credit for. Fast becoming one of my favourite fighters.Pretty much how i see it.
ipswich express
06-10-2008, 05:17 AM
I wouldn't go that far to say great fighter after great fighter. Bika and manfredo are hardly world beaters to someone like Joe. A 43 year old Hopkins certainly wasn't the biggest test out there either. Kessler and lacy were both good fighters in their prime, but that is about it. There isn't much talk about Pavlik v Calzaghe from what i have heard. He is going for RJJ instead. Which is a joke. Just wanting to pad the resume with much faded American legends. Look at the opposition guys like Manny Pac, Marquez, Cotto and other top p4p fighters have faced in recent times in comparison. It has certainly picked up from earlier in his career, but is still far from superb.
Bika is world class. Manfredo is not but is was a decent contender, albeit in the teens. Lacy was meant to end Joe's career and it was the most dominate big fight performance seen in years. Kessler again a heavy favourite and partially unified Super Middleweight champion. Hopkins the undisputed and world recognised Light Heavy title holder. Pavlik the same but at 160lbs. Pavlik v Calzaghe is touted for October. It'll happen, money talks.
JOSEY WALES
06-10-2008, 12:42 PM
Bika is world class. Manfredo is not but is was a decent contender, albeit in the teens. Lacy was meant to end Joe's career and it was the most dominate big fight performance seen in years. Kessler again a heavy favourite and partially unified Super Middleweight champion. Hopkins the undisputed and world recognised Light Heavy title holder. Pavlik the same but at 160lbs. Pavlik v Calzaghe is touted for October. It'll happen, money talks. November 15th Millenium Stadium Cardiff ( Formerly Cardiff Arms park for you Older Traveling Aussie gentlemen ) :yep Joe Calzaghe v kelly Pavlik .. done deal apparently . :happy Joe's retirement fund fight , U$ 20,000,000 i heared two weeks back . "Fanfuckingtastic" Ippy Come on over fella the beers on me :deal & bring the Mutt with you .
I didnt think 2008 could get anywhere near the amount of quality fights that 07 did but its pretty close so far.
Pav vs Joe will be a great fight.
JOSEY WALES
06-10-2008, 02:57 PM
I didnt think 2008 could get anywhere near the amount of quality fights that 07 did but its pretty close so far.
Pav vs Joe will be a great fight. Kessler v Someone not called Mundine next , Pity about Choc not getting into the swing of things :verysad
Kessler v Someone not called Mundine next , Pity about Choc not getting into the swing of things :verysadI've resigned to the fact that it will be more nonsense than sense from now on. The sense bit is what im looking forward to :D
Bika is world class. Manfredo is not but is was a decent contender, albeit in the teens. Lacy was meant to end Joe's career and it was the most dominate big fight performance seen in years. Kessler again a heavy favourite and partially unified Super Middleweight champion. Hopkins the undisputed and world recognised Light Heavy title holder. Pavlik the same but at 160lbs. Pavlik v Calzaghe is touted for October. It'll happen, money talks.
Bika is world class, but hardly a top level fighter, or tough comp for one of the p4p best in the sport. Floyd Mayweather in comparison has been bagged by everyone for fighting an "easy" option in Hatton. Hatton is still a class above Bika. Lacy was a good fighter, not a top p4p one though by any stretch. Just one of the top fighters in the division. Kessler wasn't a favourite on the betting sites i saw, yet alone heavy. Even fight, against a guy who was just outside the p4p top 10 once again. Hopkins at 43 wasn't undisputed, as Erdei and Dawson were legitimate title holders. Massive under dog as well, due to his age. Pavlik fight would be a good one, however Joe is going for jones. If he does, its disgraceful. There are so many better fights out there.
ipswich express
06-10-2008, 10:26 PM
Bika is world class, but hardly a top level fighter, or tough comp for one of the p4p best in the sport. Floyd Mayweather in comparison has been bagged by everyone for fighting an "easy" option in Hatton. Hatton is still a class above Bika. Lacy was a good fighter, not a top p4p one though by any stretch. Just one of the top fighters in the division. Kessler wasn't a favourite on the betting sites i saw, yet alone heavy. Even fight, against a guy who was just outside the p4p top 10 once again. Hopkins at 43 wasn't undisputed, as Erdei and Dawson were legitimate title holders. Massive under dog as well, due to his age. Pavlik fight would be a good one, however Joe is going for jones. If he does, its disgraceful. There are so many better fights out there.
Bika's not one of the p4p best, but he's a world class operator and a more than credible opponent. Anyone who bagged Mayweather doesn't have their head screwed on right. Hatton was the legitimate 140lbs world title holder. It's fights like that that boxing needs!
Lacy, again not p4p, but he was meant to tear Joe's head off. It was a clear case of #1 fighting #2 in the division, as was Kessler (the TAB had Kessler as clear favourite).
Erdei and Dawson are mearly belt holders in my opinion. Hopkins became the man when he beat Tarver, who was recognised in everyone's eyes as the legit 175lbs champion.
I'd be disappointed if Joe fought Roy and retired. I wouldn't have too many problems if he fought him and kept going. Arum has said though that it's Calzaghe and Pavlik that he's trying to make.
Bika's not one of the p4p best, but he's a world class operator and a more than credible opponent. Anyone who bagged Mayweather doesn't have their head screwed on right. Hatton was the legitimate 140lbs world title holder. It's fights like that that boxing needs!
Lacy, again not p4p, but he was meant to tear Joe's head off. It was a clear case of #1 fighting #2 in the division, as was Kessler (the TAB had Kessler as clear favourite).
Erdei and Dawson are mearly belt holders in my opinion. Hopkins became the man when he beat Tarver, who was recognised in everyone's eyes as the legit 175lbs champion.
I'd be disappointed if Joe fought Roy and retired. I wouldn't have too many problems if he fought him and kept going. Arum has said though that it's Calzaghe and Pavlik that he's trying to make.
I would be very dissapointed if he fought Roy jones at this stage of his career. Pavlik is a tough, prime opponent, who realistically he should be able to beat. If he fights him, then YES, his recent opposition will have been excellent. If he goes for Jones though, it falls a bit short IMO.
Will the Pav v Calzage be at a catchweight of 170lbs :think
ipswich express
06-10-2008, 11:57 PM
The fight will happen because there's so much money involved for it to. Money talks in boxing. Always has and always will. I wouldn't mind him fighting Roy just to watch him spark him :lol:
Fuck that, i will always give RJJ a shot at beating anyone even now cause of how good he was...but my money would be on Joe the senior citizen basher
ipswich express
06-11-2008, 12:39 AM
Fuck that, i will always give RJJ a shot at beating anyone even now cause of how good he was...but my money would be on Joe the senior citizen basher
:huh He beat Hopkins, world recognised Light Heavyweight champion. I agree though, if Roy did get back in with him, we'd see a repeat of this: :rofl
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:huh He beat Hopkins, world recognised Light Heavyweight champion. I agree though, if Roy did get back in with him, we'd see a repeat of this: :rofl
[Only registered and activated users can see links] but im positive we would see a glimpse of the Old Roy that would have spanked Joe in his prime.
ipswich express
06-11-2008, 12:56 AM
Yeah but im positive we would see a glimpse of the Old Roy that would have spanked Joe in his prime.
It's just a shame that Jones' prime will be forever tarnished by his use of steroids.
It's just a shame that Jones' prime will be forever tarnished by his use of steroids.:lol: fuckoff you Joe nuthugger
ipswich express
06-11-2008, 01:07 AM
fuckoff you Joe nuthugger
I just appreciate talent when I see it. I've been saying Joe is one of the better boxers I've seen for many a year. You can't blame me now that his full talent is being realised. As for the other part, well you can live in denial if it helps you sleep better, but it's cold hard fact.
stiflers mum
06-11-2008, 01:09 AM
:lol: fuckoff you Joe nuthugger
moseley/DLH 2.shane was roided up too wasnt he? you dont care how the black man wins do you:-(
I just appreciate talent when I see it. I've been saying Joe is one of the better boxers I've seen for many a year. You can't blame me now that his full talent is being realised. As for the other part, well you can live in denial if it helps you sleep better, but it's cold hard fact.
Joe just isn't that good though, not compared to Roy anyway. He struggled with a 43 year old Hopkins. Prime Roy would have absolutely whupped him. I don't think it goes past 8 rounds. Total dominance. You keep saying Hopkins was the recognized undisputed champion... By who... Ring Magazine? He had lost twice to Taylor, and looked pretty awful in just beating a very blown up jr middleweight. Joe dominated Lacy, who has gone on to do nothing. Which has really taken away from the win. Lacy really doesn't have any significant wins, to make him a great scalp. Kessler hasn't done anything of note either. Dawson will SCHOOL the crap out of Kessler, and then Joe's resume is in tatters. All he has is an old Eubank, and old hopkins, and a couple decent title holders. Nothing special. Roy Jones Jr in comparison, is the first guy to win titels from middle to heavy, dominated the sport as the number 1 p4p guy for over a decade. Beat multiple HOF, and possibly 2 ATG's (his victory of Hop easily more significant). Dominanted all his opposition in brutal fashion, compared to Calzaghe who struggled with Reid, and has looked poor at times against limited opponents. They are not even comparable.
It's just a shame that Jones' prime will be forever tarnished by his use of steroids. If taking steroids can turn you into the greatest boxer to ever live, then get me some fucking juice dammit.... Someone obviously forgot to tell Mosley how it works agianst Oscar the 2nd time, or for Toney in his recent abismal outings. If you think steriods made Roy the fighter his is, and gained him his legacy, you should go down to the local gym, and find the next ATG. I won't hold my breathe.
pecks
06-11-2008, 02:04 AM
I used to not like Joe, simply because of his poor opposition, but he has stepped it up no doubt.
In saying that, Bika proved a tough fight for him, but at the time, Joe was slandered for choosing someone like Bika as an opponent. Even Beyer was slandered for fighting Bika just one fight before.
Bika's stocks are now higher than they were when he fought Joe, but at the time he was considered a garbage opponent, and not world class.
I used to not like Joe, simply because of his poor opposition, but he has stepped it up no doubt.
In saying that, Bika proved a tough fight for him, but at the time, Joe was slandered for choosing someone like Bika as an opponent. Even Beyer was slandered for fighting Bika just one fight before.
Bika's stocks are now higher than they were when he fought Joe, but at the time he was considered a garbage opponent, and not world class.
I don't understand how he suddenly became world class?? Was it by losing to Soliman, Bute, Calzaghe or winning the Contender? I can't work out which is worse.
pecks
06-11-2008, 03:39 AM
I don't understand how he suddenly became world class?? Was it by losing to Soliman, Bute, Calzaghe or winning the Contender? I can't work out which is worse.Well, I don't really consider him world class even now. More a decent contender.
I was just saying that his stocks were a lot lower when Calzaghe fought him than they are now.
ipswich express
06-11-2008, 03:41 AM
If taking steroids can turn you into the greatest boxer to ever live, then get me some fucking juice dammit.... Someone obviously forgot to tell Mosley how it works agianst Oscar the 2nd time, or for Toney in his recent abismal outings. If you think steriods made Roy the fighter his is, and gained him his legacy, you should go down to the local gym, and find the next ATG. I won't hold my breathe.
So you're insuating that taking performance enhancing drugs doesn't...um...enhance a performance? :lol: Jones' talent is considerable, that's not in question. But his legacy is tarnished as a result of it. Did he need it? Probably not, that's the biggest shame. If he's the greatest boxer to ever live, may I suggest you get some footage of some blokes named Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Willie Pep, Joe Louis, some geezer named Cassius Clay.... none of whom ever failed a drugs test.
ipswich express
06-11-2008, 03:46 AM
You keep saying Hopkins was the recognized undisputed champion... By who... Ring Magazine?
Along with every other self respecting boxing fan that doesn't swallow alphabet soup.
So you're insuating that taking performance enhancing drugs doesn't...um...enhance a performance? :lol: Jones' talent is considerable, that's not in question. But his legacy is tarnished as a result of it. Did he need it? Probably not, that's the biggest shame. If he's the greatest boxer to ever live, may I suggest you get some footage of some blokes named Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, Willie Pep, Joe Louis, some geezer named Cassius Clay.... none of whom ever failed a drugs test.
Those guys were good for there era....
ipswich express
06-11-2008, 04:08 AM
Those guys were good for there era....
Era's which were stronger than today's. It's a shame that when Jones was ruling the 175lbs class it was very weak. Still he did all he can do, and dominated barring the brain explosion v Griffen and until he was on the downslide with Tarver and Johnson.
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