Who do you think could beat Pavlik?

[Clearly Cool]

I think Calzaghe and Kessler are obvious choices, but does anyone have any less popular candidates?

I wouldn't rule out Andrade, he has a great chin, good power, huge workrate and more importantly, he uses angles. The tactic Lockett had of standing infront waiting to counter kelly.....dumb idea against a straight punching power puncher, but as Andrade is more of a come-foward inside fighter, Pavlik would have less distance to operate and be forced to slug it out, which plays into Andrades forte. Although LA hasn't faught a puncher like KP so it would be a test for both guys.

The more I think about the more this fight needs to happen. How could it not be a war?

(getting off topic now) Another person I think MAY have a chance is Mundine. Before you laugh yourself silly, Mundine has faught some huge punchers (Green, Kessler) and is good at boxing defensively. He COULD cause KP some trouble with his movement and reflexes, and I think a fight like this would bring out the best in him. He could avoid the bombs and potshot his way to a decision....a long shot I know but not out of the question.

[québecwarrior]

kessler is a huge puncher?

[Samurai]

Kessler and Calzaghe, without question, beat him. Andrade has a decent chance along with Bute.

[Clearly Cool]

kessler is a huge puncher?

Ok not huge, but big enough to show his beard is better than the ottke fight suggests.

[Smith]

In super middle;

Calzaghe dominating UD

Kessler close UD

Froch TKO

Bute UD

[mstar]

In super middle;



Froch TKO




are you serious??? :patsch who has frotch faught for you to say that.... pleasase leave the people who know boxing make the preditions:hi: :hi: :good

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

Hopkins.

[pmfan]

Hopkins.

Hopkins at this stage in his career should shut it down. Pavlik would outwork him. Calzaghe might be able to decision Kelly. Kessler would be a good matchup and I favor Kelly slightly in that one.

The other super middles mentioned would get worn down and beat down by Kelly.

[Zerwas1]

Pavlik would fuck Andrade up big time. I'm not a fan of Pavlik but the Kessler fight fucked Andrade's chin up. Yusaf Mack Dropped and hurt Andrade.
Pavlik would destroy Andrade simply with his 1,2 while Andrade tries to land some wild swinging slow haymakers.

[Smith]

are you serious??? :patsch who has frotch faught for you to say that.... pleasase leave the people who know boxing make the preditions:hi: :hi: :goodEr, I truly believe Froch would beat Pavlik. Ive studied both guys styles in full and would stand by this prediction

Shove your stupid smileys up your ass:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:patsch:-(

[Bigcat]

mmm , Froch beat Pavlik.. I dunno , Carl had better start to move through the ranks and tackle some much bigger names if he is to mess in that league...

I say Kessler is a great pick though, hard man to beat.......

[RUSKULL]

kessler is a huge puncher?

Yes.

[RUSKULL]

Calzagne could outspeed Pavlik & Kesslerhas a chance but neither fights are a forgone conclusion. Bute has a slight chance too.............

[smoochp]

Probably just Jermaine besides the Cal and Kessler

[Sandmanl337]

Arthur Abraham :D

I think fights with Mikkel Kessler & Lucian Bute would be close, good fights with Pavlik.. Not saying they will beat him, but it could go either way.. Calzaghe as well..

[BxN]

Taylor
Calzaghe
Hopkins
Kessler

[Amsterdam]

Here's who I think would beat him, some will find it funny because they don't ge his vulnerabilities fully yet for some reason -

Calzaghe, Kessler, Andrade, Bute, Froch, Braehmer, Inkin & Abraham.

All of these guys have good timing and either have a punch or great skill, the type of shots that they'd be able to get in on Pavlik flush would take him out. Pavlik is hittable, has not cleared his chin beyond reasonable doubt to me and could easily be outboxed by a superior boxer/counter-puncher.

His power will also lessen as he moves up against larger men and their power will become more evident.

Andrade would be one of the easier choices, as he'd back Pavlik up and take easily be able to land his best shots, rendering Pavlik at a stylistic oddity. Andrade should be favoured over Taylor as well, Taylor doesn't match up well against pressure fighters of a high workrate if you'd note his past.

And please stop with bullshit like 'Kessler/Pavlik would be close', these guys are leagues apart. Pavlik/Bute however WOULD indeed be a very competitive match up.

[O-HIGH-O]

I dont think Pavlik could be beat at this time. Maybe at a heavier weight class. but pavlik Is a complete fighter. Calzagne would be the best opponent but it all depends on how much weight kelly would gain! I dont see anyone else beating him anytime soon after the way he looked last night, sure it was against lockett but lockett is suppose 2 be a good fighter and kelly dominated.

Keep Doing what ur doing Kelly For YOUNGSTOWN!!

[J.R.]

Only guys I really see possessing a chance are the obvious of Kessler and Calzaghe. Other than I see a few who would put up a good competitive fight but would certainly lose. Kelly Pavlik is the man right now and I really wish so many would doubt him and just enjoy the guy cause he consistently puts up worthwhile performances for us the fans.

[Cerberus]

Calzaghe, Kessler, Andrade, Bute, Froch, Braehmer, Inkin & Abraham.



:-(

He would brutally KO all of those guys other than Calzaghe, Kessler, and Bute. Damn, why do you hate Kelly Pavlik so much? Denis Inkin? Gimme a fuckin break.

[Toopretty]

Arthur Abraham..Kelly beats the living crap out of him

Calzaghe...Calzaghe bounces in and out and slaps his way to UD.

Kessler.. He has good fundamentals and a quick right hand but I dont think he is tough and has heart and I see Pavlik getting hurt early but fighting hard and beats the brakes out of Kessler late.

But at 160...nah...nobody.

[fidds]

joe cal or kessler neither are forgone conclusions as kelly is a concusive puncher.

Saying that he hasn't got the slickest of styles but he makes the best of what he has got. A good solid fighter, but i hope if he gets beat by calzaghe people wont suddenly start saying pavlik was exposed etc. etc. etc.

Also if he beats calzaghe i hope he gets the props for doing what 45 others couldn't, and not saying joe was to old etc.

Like people say when hatton beat tszyu about time fighters get the respect they deserve :deal

[O-HIGH-O]

well put J.R. Pavlik is the man, and is going 2 be the man for a long time to come. He only gonna fight about 5 more years. I want him 2 fight the best fighters that he can.

Hopkins, im sorry but he is no match for pavlik at this time. maybe 5 years ago but not now. Didnt pavlik put a hurtin on taylor? and taylor beat hopkins?

pavlik wants all the belts, and will get them. He is a skinny boy, but god he can hit. Larry merchant said he is the hardest hitting middleweight he has every seen. That says something

[Beeston Brawler]

I think Calzaghe would school him to be honest - too smart. The Kessler fight would be the most interesting, and exciting, a toe to toe war.

Froch stylistically could be a problem, but this is perhaps the one thing I agree with Frank ****** on, in that Carl is a big talent, but at 30, what has he done other than talk and beat a series of late replacements?

Plenty of early, dominating KO's look great on paper but once you read between the lines.......

[McGrain]

Joe Calzaghe would beat him. I think a fight with Tarver would be interesting on account of styles, though it could turn into a bit of a snooze fest last few rounds.

[BoppaZoo]

Calzaghe
Kessler
And Maybe Hopkins

Thats it.

[Scar]

Calzaghe, Hopkins.
Picking Pavlik over Kessler here.

[puremental2]

nobody

[Hatesrats]

If Abraham is so good where has he been fighting at, against who?
Is the Miranda fight his Measuring stick for greatness?

Why don't any of those top export's fight eachother?
Pavlik could lose just like everyone else..
I just don't see any of the names above doing it
besides a Joe Calzaghe.

[Beeston Brawler]

Calzaghe would school KP.

He is one dimensional (albeit still very good) - the key to beating Calzaghe is to switch tactics every couple of rounds to keep HIM guessing rather than the other way round - ala first four rds vs Kessler, before Mikkel went missing for six rounds!

[clubberlang]

I would give my left bollock to see Pavlik (or anyone for that matter) knock Carl Froch out!

Pavlik vs Kessler is a tough one to call its a 50/50 in my opinion.

I think Calzaghe would beat Pavlik in a tough fight, Calzaghe struggling but doing just enough to win by UD.

[Ziggy Montana]

Calzaghe beats Pavlik fo' sho'.

Calzaghe's style's more confusing than a bitch on her periods, only he knows what he's doing.

Pavlik, on the othe hand, is one-track minded.

Methink Calzaghe would be scrambling eggs all evening and Pavlik would fall short of solutions.

[TFFP]

My honest asessment, in order from worst beating to closest fight

Kessler
Calzaghe
Hopkins
Froch
Johnson
Dawson

I change my mind about Bute.

[Paulie]

Bute for sure...Calzaghe and Kessler are 50/50 fights.

[bigmarkd86]

The way pavlik fights there is a number of people who could beat him but on the flip side pavlik could could ko ANYONE IN BOXING.I think he proved alot of doubters wrong when he outworked taylor in the 2nd fight that he can go the distance with an elite fighter,he has been caught flush by lesser boxers than taylor and got up and ko'd them,but what im trying to say is anyone with a bit of power has a (punchers chance)also the only person that i would favour in a fight against pavlik would be Calzaghe(only slightly tho)

[kracka81]

nobody rt now he s in a zone

[quest]

It might be a little premature, but in about 4-6 more fights my boy Peter "kid chocolate" quillin will be ready. He has the size speed boxing ability, AND he may just hit even harder, than Pavlik. Pavlik is used to being alot bigger than most of the people he fight, bar JT. Although Kid Chocolate is a big boy himself

[MSTR]

Bute would get KTFO. As would Froch. Kessler and Calzaghe would start favourites, although he gives both tough fights. Andrade would be beaten in a very rough, and physical fight. If Mundine can come in prepared, and mentally ready, he has a decent shot, although IMO he will simply get outworked.

[MSTR]

Chad Dawson would beat him convincingly as well.

[klion22]

In super middle;

Calzaghe dominating UD

Kessler close UD

Froch TKO

Bute UD

:rofl LMAO. You've got to me kidding me. Talk about Euro delusional thinking.

[klion22]

I think Calzaghe and Kessler are obvious choices, but does anyone have any less popular candidates?

I wouldn't rule out Andrade, he has a great chin, good power, huge workrate and more importantly, he uses angles. The tactic Lockett had of standing infront waiting to counter kelly.....dumb idea against a straight punching power puncher, but as Andrade is more of a come-foward inside fighter, Pavlik would have less distance to operate and be forced to slug it out, which plays into Andrades forte. Although LA hasn't faught a puncher like KP so it would be a test for both guys.

The more I think about the more this fight needs to happen. How could it not be a war?

(getting off topic now) Another person I think MAY have a chance is Mundine. Before you laugh yourself silly, Mundine has faught some huge punchers (Green, Kessler) and is good at boxing defensively. He COULD cause KP some trouble with his movement and reflexes, and I think a fight like this would bring out the best in him. He could avoid the bombs and potshot his way to a decision....a long shot I know but not out of the question.

I think Andrade is a good possibility for the reasons you mentioned. He's a good inside fighter. Pavlik is not. Pavlik is just a basic jab-jab, right guy. He likes distance. He throws an occasional left upper cut. But he likes distance. If Andrade can take away Pavlik's power and swarm him, it should be interesting.

[klion22]

I think Calzaghe would school him to be honest - too smart. The Kessler fight would be the most interesting, and exciting, a toe to toe war.

Froch stylistically could be a problem, but this is perhaps the one thing I agree with Frank ****** on, in that Carl is a big talent, but at 30, what has he done other than talk and beat a series of late replacements?

Plenty of early, dominating KO's look great on paper but once you read between the lines.......

:rofl What is in the water in Europe. I mean seriously? I this supposed to be some joke? The guy is a very limited fighter. Hilarious.

[klion22]

Joe Calzaghe would beat him. I think a fight with Tarver would be interesting on account of styles, though it could turn into a bit of a snooze fest last few rounds.

I agree about Tarver. Pavlik and Tarver have simliar styles. They throw the jab and follow with the straight left/right. They throw their punches down the pipe. And both pack a punch. Tarver's got type of power that can take Pavlik out if he lands a couple flush. I don't know if Pavlik would be able to take out Tarver though. I would love to watch this fight.

[magnificentdave]

If Pavlik fought Calzaghe . . . Calzaghe would be knocked out. You guys must be crazy if you think Calzaghe is going to try to take on a young knock out artist at Pavlik's level at this point in his career anyways.

[saul_ir34]

I think Calzaghe and Kessler are obvious choices, but does anyone have any less popular candidates?

I wouldn't rule out Andrade, he has a great chin, good power, huge workrate and more importantly, he uses angles. The tactic Lockett had of standing infront waiting to counter kelly.....dumb idea against a straight punching power puncher, but as Andrade is more of a come-foward inside fighter, Pavlik would have less distance to operate and be forced to slug it out, which plays into Andrades forte. Although LA hasn't faught a puncher like KP so it would be a test for both guys.

The more I think about the more this fight needs to happen. How could it not be a war?

(getting off topic now) Another person I think MAY have a chance is Mundine. Before you laugh yourself silly, Mundine has faught some huge punchers (Green, Kessler) and is good at boxing defensively. He COULD cause KP some trouble with his movement and reflexes, and I think a fight like this would bring out the best in him. He could avoid the bombs and potshot his way to a decision....a long shot I know but not out of the question.

Kessler is a harder puncher than KP. People overrated Pavliks power. Lets see if it will carry against the elite at 168. Not to mention Kessler is a better version of KP. Bigger and stronger not to mention.

As for the threat Kessler KOs him and Calzaghe gives him the boxing lesson of his life. If anything i would want to see a Miranda-Pavlik at 168. I would still favor Pavlik though.
Abraham im not so sure on but he definately has a chin and power to bohter Pavlik.

I dont know about you guys but whenever Locket actaully attacked instead of trying to counter punch Pavlik (WHICH WAS INCREDIBLY RETARDED!!) and got inside he was landing pretty damn good on him. Had he actaully had some power he would have dropped him.

[klion22]

Not really are you saying pavliks punches aren't avoidable by calzaghe ? the key to this fight is the pavlik taylor 2 fight it went the distance and I think calzaghe certainly has a better chin and recovery than Taylor.
If taylor can hang with pavlik bet your house that joe can :deal

Ahh, but Pavlik RESPECTED Taylor's power and that's why he didn't just come forward like he did in the first fight. He was more cautious. He will show no respect for Calzaghe's power. He slaps most of the time anyways. And that's just the truth.

[klion22]

And Pavlik has a great chin. He took some of Miranda's haymakers and it took a powerful JT about 8 flush shots to actually KD Pavlik. And Pavlik got right back up and had his legs under him in 30 seconds.

[MasterFlo]

Calzaghe, and that's it. I think that's a 50/50 fight. I know I'm going to get hated on for this but I think Pavlik is too rough for Kessler.

[O-HIGH-O]

I respect all of ur views.

1. Pavlik does not have over rated power. (Larry Merchant) I know the man may be old, but he said pavlik is the hardest hitting middleweight ever, and thats going back to the MARVIN days. that is saying something!
2. u cant say Andrade standing toe to toe with pavlik would work in his favor, Thats what pavlik wants to do! His 1-2 his amazing!
3. obviously if u seen the miranda and taylor fights pavlik has a great chin.
4. Pavlik places his punches well, and can hit u multiple times
5. pavlik has good defense, not GREAT, but good.
6. Heart Of a lion, U cant take that away from the guy

the only real flaws i see with pavlik is he takes more punches than he needs to. he can parry quite well but for some reason loves getting hit. maybe it makes him fight better to get rocked a few times, i dont know? what do u think.

I watched kes vs cal earlyer on you-tube. Joe has great footwork, and fast, but he throws to wide, and pavlik would take advantage of that.

kessler is actually fast himself and great power, but he took way too many hits. a good 1-2 would rock him.

I hope kelly vs joe happens in october.

my predictions are.

Pavlik Over cal KO in 10

pavlik over kessler TKO in 7

[Fab2333]

bad CHAD DAWSON:deal

[billyconn]

And Pavlik has a great chin. He took some of Miranda's haymakers and it took a powerful JT about 8 flush shots to actually KD Pavlik. And Pavlik got right back up and had his legs under him in 30 seconds.

I think it was even more than that....:bbb I swore I counted like 12 or something.....Taylor was taggin him that's for sure....

[Samurai]

Pavlik Over cal KO in 10

pavlik over kessler TKO in 7

Pure, delusional nuthuggery.

[MSTR]

Kessler is a harder puncher than KP. People overrated Pavliks power. Lets see if it will carry against the elite at 168. Not to mention Kessler is a better version of KP. Bigger and stronger not to mention.

As for the threat Kessler KOs him and Calzaghe gives him the boxing lesson of his life. If anything i would want to see a Miranda-Pavlik at 168. I would still favor Pavlik though.
Abraham im not so sure on but he definately has a chin and power to bohter Pavlik.

I dont know about you guys but whenever Locket actaully attacked instead of trying to counter punch Pavlik (WHICH WAS INCREDIBLY RETARDED!!) and got inside he was landing pretty damn good on him. Had he actaully had some power he would have dropped him.

Kessler IS NOT more powerful then Pavlik. Pavlik is one of the hardest hitters in boxing. Kessler took Mundine and Andrade the distance. Pavlik has being knocking everyone out, i don't see how you can say that is over rated. Locket CAN punch, it was the only thing he has going for him. Pavlik was totally unbothered though, and smashed him every time he started opening up. Locket simply had NO ANSWER.

[Maxime]

Kessler IS NOT more powerful then Pavlik. Pavlik is one of the hardest hitters in boxing. Kessler took Mundine and Andrade the distance. Pavlik has being knocking everyone out, i don't see how you can say that is over rated. Locket CAN punch, it was the only thing he has going for him. Pavlik was totally unbothered though, and smashed him every time he started opening up. Locket simply had NO ANSWER.

1- Mundine has more speed and ring savy then anyone Pavlik has ever fought.

2- Andrade has a better chin and stamina then anyone Pavlik has ever fought.

[Beeston Brawler]

:rofl What is in the water in Europe. I mean seriously? I this supposed to be some joke? The guy is a very limited fighter. Hilarious.

Read the rest of my post.

I said that Froch is a talent - which he is. I also went on to say that he is hardly proven at the top level, and never actually said that he would do the job!

[mattress]

If JC v KP does happen and JC beats him, can you imagine the excuses? KP fans would desert him in the same fashion they left Lacy. There would be the same remarks make by his ex fans....things like, 'yeah, I knew he was a bum', 'all power and no skill' , etc. You get my drift?

[O-HIGH-O]

WOW,all people going nuts over palvik,just because he just beat a bum Gary Lockett.Realistically hes not a top 20 at MW. Hes small. Has no power. Has no speed
And watching the fight. It was simply embarassing at how the commentators were carrying on.

"a dominant performance by Kelly Pavlik. A complete fighter".

Damm a lot of fighters look good and dominant when there beating up something thats not throwing back. Or is not even a domestic level fighter

A fucking nobody he was supposed to KO:patsch


It is so fucking ridiculous :patsch

Not nuts because he beat Lockett, Look what he did to miranda, and Taylor. come on dude, The man can straight fight.

[O-HIGH-O]

Pure, delusional nuthuggery.

just an opinion, but i guess we can tell where u are from.

[RJD]

Sergio Martinez.