How good is camp Calzaghe?

[FLINT ISLAND]

Down in South Wales over the last few years trainer Enzo Calzaghe and his stable of fighters have risen to be regarded as a strong crop of fighters.

The stable star is undoubtly Joe Calzaghe a Multiple winning ABA Champion, a British Super Middleweight Champion, and a long reign as WBO World Super Middleweight Champion and he also finally wan IBF & WBC & WBA World Super Middleweight titles confirming his dominance at Super Middleweight. Then moving up to win THE RING NO 1 Light Heavyweight title.

Joe Calzaghe has never lost a fight with Enzo Calzaghe in the corner.

But it wasn't just Joe - Enzo Calzaghe had been credited with taken Enzo Maccarenelli under his wing and transforming him from a crude banger to a excellent techincal boxer. He also done the impossible and turned a little name like Gavin Rees into a WBA World Light Welterweight Champion.

There was a stage when Enzo Calzaghe had never lost a world title fight that he had been in the corner of.

He has been recongised as THE RING trainer of the year.

However:
All the Calzaghe Camp are under the banner of Frank ****** sports network who have a reputation for making their fighters paper champions and protecting them. All these great wins from Camp Calzaghe came under ideal circumstances: Enzo awarded WBO belt.
Gavin Rees wan WBA belt in Cardiff home ground.

But it cannot be ignored that when these fighters have stepped out of Sports network confort zone they have been found wanting.

First Enzo Maccarenelli whatever excuse they want to put on it - he was blown away inside two rounds.

Then Gavin Rees was stopped late and lost his belt.

And most recently Gary Lockett stepped up to fight Kelly Pavlik and was beaten up with ease.

Enzo Maccarenelli speaking on YOUTUBE assured that these fighters from the camp including himself will come back "badder and stronger"
but will they.

I am starting to think that apart from Joe Calzaghe who is exceptional the rest of the camp were overhyped including Enzo Calzaghe.

What do you think the future is for this camp?


will they just go back to the WBO/WBU confort zone?

Or can these fighters win real world title fights and prove themselves real world class?

[raiderjay]

Down in South Wales over the last few years trainer Enzo Calzaghe and his stable of fighters have risen to be regarded as a strong crop of fighters.

The stable star is undoubtly Joe Calzaghe a Multiple winning ABA Champion, a British Super Middleweight Champion, and a long reign as WBO World Super Middleweight Champion and he also finally wan IBF & WBC & WBA World Super Middleweight titles confirming his dominance at Super Middleweight. Then moving up to win THE RING NO 1 Light Heavyweight title.

Joe Calzaghe has never lost a fight with Enzo Calzaghe in the corner.

But it wasn't just Joe - Enzo Calzaghe had been credited with taken Enzo Maccarenelli under his wing and transforming him from a crude banger to a excellent techincal boxer. He also done the impossible and turned a little name like Gavin Rees into a WBA World Light Welterweight Champion.

There was a stage when Enzo Calzaghe had never lost a world title fight that he had been in the corner of.

He has been recongised as THE RING trainer of the year.

However:
All the Calzaghe Camp are under the banner of Frank ****** sports network who have a reputation for making their fighters paper champions and protecting them. All these great wins from Camp Calzaghe came under ideal circumstances: Enzo awarded WBO belt.
Gavin Rees wan WBA belt in Cardiff home ground.

But it cannot be ignored that when these fighters have stepped out of Sports network confort zone they have been found wanting.

First Enzo Maccarenelli whatever excuse they want to put on it - he was blown away inside two rounds.

Then Gavin Rees was stopped late and lost his belt.

And most recently Gary Lockett stepped up to fight Kelly Pavlik and was beaten up with ease.

Enzo Maccarenelli speaking on YOUTUBE assured that these fighters from the camp including himself will come back "badder and stronger"
but will they.

I am starting to think that apart from Joe Calzaghe who is exceptional the rest of the camp were overhyped including Enzo Calzaghe.

What do you think the future is for this camp?


will they just go back to the WBO/WBU confort zone?

Or can these fighters win real world title fights and prove themselves real world class?

Unfortunately with these recent losses, Frank ****** has learned his lesson and won't allow any of this lot to fight outside of their home arenas, and it will be against big record/low comp. level fighters.

[FLINT ISLAND]

Unfortunately with these recent losses, Frank ****** has learned his lesson and won't allow any of this lot to fight outside of their home arenas, and it will be against big record/low comp. level fighters.


this is what I feared would happen - now Camp Calzaghe have been exposed.

I was looking forward to seeing Enzo fight the likes of Steve Cunnigham and Jean Marc Mormeck - but I dont know wether Frank ****** will allow it now. Everytime he lets one of these Sport Network Champions fight out of their comfort zone they are getting a hammering

[raiderjay]

He'll have Enzo fight a few "tune-up fights" to "get his confidence back", which will turn into 3-4 fights in the next year or so, and then he will get one of the belts vacated by Haye either by having it just awarded to him or fighting some stiff who gets a decent rating somehow by one of the corrupt belt organizations. Then Enzo defends said belt against horrible "manditories" until either retiring or getting destroyed by someone who actual has some level of talent and ends up his mandatory.

[bigmarkd86]

i work in a bookmakers and mac,rees and lockett were heavily unfavoured in the betting for their prospective fights(not so much mac)so you got the results that were expeted to happen.bottom line is the 3 fighters in question are not world level.they are being protected to make sure they make as much cash as possible before they get rumblrd.

[zarman]

enzo has done an exceptional job. what people have to realize is that he has turned journeymen into champions. he gets the best out of his fighters. just because he isn't training only the best it doesn't mean he isn't one of the best trainers in the game.

[FLINT ISLAND]

i work in a bookmakers and mac,rees and lockett were heavily unfavoured in the betting for their prospective fights(not so much mac)so you got the results that were expeted to happen.bottom line is the 3 fighters in question are not world level.they are being protected to make sure they make as much cash as possible before they get rumblrd.

thats the big question for me is Enzo Maccarenelli world class?

its a tough one to know - theres mixed messages there.

he KO'd Bruce Scott in 4 rounds - Scott went 7 rounds for WBC belt.

but then he had a life or death 12 round struggle with British level Mark Hobson

then he Ko'd Dominguez - a former WBC Champion

the in his best performance he wan a shut out points win over Wayne Braithwaite - former WBC World Champion

but against Haye he was badly exposed for the following reasons:

Enzo had claimed to be the best Cruiserweight in the world or at least regarded himself as the man to become the undisputed champion however this is what happened when he fought Haye:

he shit himself / froze.

he was too scared to throw anything and didnt land on Haye anything hurtful

he was backed up scared of Hayes power

his defense was leaky to non existent when Haye opened up on him

and for a guy who regarded himself world class he didnt even have the experience to take a knee clear his head - he got straight up dancing around like a drunk

he talked a good game - but I doubt his world class pedigree.

[mstar]

to be honest joe calzaghe makes enzo and the whole camp seem they are better, joe carries that camp and his dad lives off his sons reputation and skill as a boxer and he tries to make the others box and be as sucessfull but they ain't a "Joe Calzaghe"

[Max Molyneux]

Enzo Mac and Joe are the world class fighters In the camp. The rest are domestic maybe European level fighters.

[Beeston Brawler]

Enzo Mac is a top level operator, but totally blew it for reasons I am not sure even he will be able to fathom. I didn't fancy him to beat Haye, but certainly last longer than two rounds.

I agree with Haye though, in that Macca doesn't fight to his strengths. Punchers with long reach shouldn't bother fighting in close all the time, and one good piece of advice when hit, is to either go down for a quick breather or hold on like fuck - don't just grab the ropes!

[Max Molyneux]

Enzo didn't fight Haye close though, he went on the back foot too much which he shouldn't of done as he gave Haye the distance to put enough power Into that right hand.

[Beeston Brawler]

Perhaps so Max.

Camp Calzaghe is pretty good, but I think those of us in the know realised that these days (i.e. 2008 losses) were coming once many of the guys stepped up in class.

If you asked for instance Gavin Rees, if he thought he was fortunate to win a 140lb belt, in his heart of hearts he would have to respond in the affirmative, whilst Gary Lockett is only WBU level - a fact which was proven in the Pavlik fight. In any case, this was obvious - how else could you excuse a guy refusing to challenge for domestic honours???

[Hatesrats]

Calzaghe is a good trainer, in the end everything falls to the fighter not the teacher... Enzo can't go in there and fight for him/them. He can only teach them the essentials needed to compete. (You can't teach them to be Joe)

Everyone trains, everyone has the same oppertunity IMO it's not what Enzo is teaching them or not, it's the actual fighters themself.

[this bloke]

the whole camp is over-rated and over-hyped,enzo calzaghe especially

[smiffy]

enzo mac isn't close to world class first of all, slightly above european leval, no more. but i don't agree on enzo calzaghe, if the ring names you trainer of the year then you've got to have something about you.
sports network isn't as bad as some of you are making out as well, frank ****** may be a cunt but he's put on some big, big shows.

[Hermit]

if the ring names you trainer of the year then you've got to have something about you.

Yeah money. They are a commercial enterprise and do what sells.

[smiffy]

Yeah money. They are a commercial enterprise and do what sells.


what ?

[Hermit]

what ?

Just what I said. I put no faith in the journalistic integrity of a company owned by a fight promoter.

[smiffy]

sounds a bit paranoid .enzo calzaghe deserved the award on his fighters achievements last year in my opinion.