WHAT ABOUT TARVER.....Calzaghe is a fraud!

[ajay11]

All this talk about the great Joe Calzaghe having another career defining bout, this time against a middleweight !!! What a joke.

Joe Calzaghe may well be a long time world champion but to suggest he's an ATG, best super middleweight ever, a P4P King, etc, etc, etc is a complete farce.

What has Calzaghe achieved to be ranked alongside the greats? Don't say undefeated champion because we could say that about Sven Ottke too! In fact there's very little between Sven Ottke and Joe Calzaghe except that Joe took the next step to travel across the ocean to fight, although that was against a 43 year old who would have destroyed Calzaghe a decade ago.

Calzaghe has been expertly handled, avoiding world class fighters that have great handspeed and agility as their main offensive weapons. In fact it's hard to find that one "career defining fight" in Calzaghe's record (compared to champions such as Hopkins, Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather, Dela Hoya, etc) simply because he is yet to have one.

C'mon, step up and tell us about that one great fight that was his defining moment in boxing history, that one super bout against a great opponent that we'll be talking about for generations to come.

That's right, it don't exist.

THE SIMPLE FACT IS CALZAGHE AVOIDS THE FIGHTERS THAT WILL EXPOSE HIM AS A FRAUD, and has done so he entire career!!!

Forget fighting middleweights or over the hill champions. CALZAGHE NEEDS TO STEP UP AND PROVE HIMSELF, AND THE MAN TO DO THAT WITH IS ANTONIO TARVER !!!

But we all know he'd never go there, don't we.

[sean]

cant remember reading to many of your posts to know whether you are having a wind up or not .

ok i will bite
hopkins took tarver to school.
calzaghe just beat the man who hopkins toyed with.

tarver is 39
calzaghe gets critisized whatever fight he would take

pavlik is a middle
jones is to old
tarver schooled by a 42 year old.

if you are a hater than calzaghe would be in a no win situation with posters such as yourself.

[Betty Swollocks]

let me guess...you had Lacy destroying Calzaghe just like almost every single one of you Americans did.
how about Hopkins then? Take away a couple of small 'name' fighters and how is his record? How many stiffs did he fight in those 20 defences? How many times is Robert Allen in there?

[Dorfmeister]

Everybody knows that Pavlik ( or Chad Dawson) is the one and the only great challenge left for Calzaghe, not Roy Jones Jr, Antonio Tarver or any of the SMW titlists and contenders... Pavlik can go up at 164-168 pounds and make his punching power and workrate be felt so I don't understand what's this small talk about MWs and LHWTS... Joe Calzaghe and Kelly Pavlik can be everything but they are not frauds - frauds are the ones who call them so after all that's been seen and done, this is pretty obvious.

[Fat Joe]

C'mon, step up and tell us about that one great fight that was his defining moment in boxing history, that one super bout against a great opponent that we'll be talking about for generations to come.

Name the opponents he could have had this fight with.

[Bodysnatcher]

Wasn't Hagler's defining fight against Tommy Hearns, who was recognised as a junior middleweight at the time?

[BoppaZoo]

Wasn't Hagler's defining fight against Tommy Hearns, who was recognised as a junior middleweight at the time?Yeah but Tommie was a huge Jr Middleweight.
Marvin Hagler 5-9
Tommie Hearns was 6-1

[thesandman]

Yeah but Tommie was a huge Jr Middleweight.
Marvin Hagler 5-9
Tommie Hearns was 6-1

He's making the point that any time anyone moves a weight class, it's easy to knock the guy in the higher weight for fighting a 'smaller' guy.

Shit, Corrales was 6-1. Doesn't make him bigger than Hagler - and Hearns started at welter too.

Calzaghe is a super middle, Pavlik a middle that's recently fought at 164, so there's really fuck all size difference.

[thesandman]

Oh, and fuck Tarver.

[BoppaZoo]

He's making the point that any time anyone moves a weight class, it's easy to knock the guy in the higher weight for fighting a 'smaller' guy.

Shit, Corrales was 6-1. Doesn't make him bigger than Hagler - and Hearns started at welter too.

Calzaghe is a super middle, Pavlik a middle that's recently fought at 164, so there's really fuck all size difference.I think both men are very simalar size.

[psychopath]

All this talk about the great Joe Calzaghe having another career defining bout, this time against a middleweight !!! What a joke.

Joe Calzaghe may well be a long time world champion but to suggest he's an ATG, best super middleweight ever, a P4P King, etc, etc, etc is a complete farce.

What has Calzaghe achieved to be ranked alongside the greats? Don't say undefeated champion because we could say that about Sven Ottke too! In fact there's very little between Sven Ottke and Joe Calzaghe except that Joe took the next step to travel across the ocean to fight, although that was against a 43 year old who would have destroyed Calzaghe a decade ago.

Calzaghe has been expertly handled, avoiding world class fighters that have great handspeed and agility as their main offensive weapons. In fact it's hard to find that one "career defining fight" in Calzaghe's record (compared to champions such as Hopkins, Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather, Dela Hoya, etc) simply because he is yet to have one.

C'mon, step up and tell us about that one great fight that was his defining moment in boxing history, that one super bout against a great opponent that we'll be talking about for generations to come.

That's right, it don't exist.

THE SIMPLE FACT IS CALZAGHE AVOIDS THE FIGHTERS THAT WILL EXPOSE HIM AS A FRAUD, and has done so he entire career!!!

Forget fighting middleweights or over the hill champions. CALZAGHE NEEDS TO STEP UP AND PROVE HIMSELF, AND THE MAN TO DO THAT WITH IS ANTONIO TARVER !!!

But we all know he'd never go there, don't we.

I'll make it short son :yep

. . . fuck Tarver!

The last time I saw him fight I thought the cable company is fucking up their broadcast by putting it on slow mo.:-(

:lol: :rofl :D

[psychopath]

Oh, and fuck Tarver.

:yikes :roll: you already said . . . fuck Tarver???

:lol:

[Drexl]

blah blah blah


:-((

[Serpent Saint]

Calzaghe stole my woman.

Tarver. :rofl

[CJLightweight]

Tarver doesn't have much of a name. Not many even knew him after beating Jones. If he was still riding that victory then that would be an interesting fight, but Hopkins already outclassed him and brought him out of contention.

-bronze medal
-starred in the recent Rocky film
-beat jones twice! TWICE
-reggie johnson
-eric harding
-montell griffin
-glen johnson
-clinton woods

i say his resume is impressive and certainly way more impressive than calzaghe's resume at LHW.

Lets not forget LHW, as far as i know, calzaghe has no legitimate belt at LHW, unless you think that ring magazine is a legit belt when it has no sanctioning fees etc.

[thesandman]

-starred in the recent Rocky film

Well, shit, I guess that meant Ivan Drago was in line to fight for the heavy title after Rocky as well eh? Mr T? Where was his shot?


i say his resume is impressive and certainly way more impressive than calzaghe's resume at LHW.

How many fights has Calzaghe had there? One?
And he beat Hopkins, who beat what was that guys name again....Wright? No, not that guy, the other one.....

Lets not forget LHW, as far as i know, calzaghe has no legitimate belt at LHW, unless you think that ring magazine is a legit belt when it has no sanctioning fees etc.

I don't think it is a legit belt to be honest. I hope you had that opinion when it was the only belt Tarver had, you know, when he fought Johnson. Or was it different then????

[Govanmauler]

Oh, and fuck Tarver.

ha ha ha ha nice

Pavlik and Dawson are the far bigger challenges anyway

[Serpent Saint]

Well, shit, I guess that meant Ivan Drago was in line to fight for the heavy title after Rocky as well eh? Mr T? Where was his shot?



How many fights has Calzaghe had there? One?
And he beat Hopkins, who beat what was that guys name again....Wright? No, not that guy, the other one.....



I don't think it is a legit belt to be honest. I hope you had that opinion when it was the only belt Tarver had, you know, when he fought Johnson. Or was it different then????
Ouch.

[LiamE]

Its already been said but it bears saying again.

Fuck Tarver.

[Scar]

He might have not enough people on his record but his skills in the ring can't be denied, who was able to make Hopkins look confused apart from Roy Jones?, who expected him to smash Lacy the way he did?, who thinks Pavlik will KO him but will be set to watch a very similar Lacy fight?
The man deserves respect.

[teke]

Tarver vs Joe would be a really good fight. Tarver and Pavlik are the two i would most like Joe to face

[David_TheMan]

You brits are funny. The same ones saying Joe C. shouldn't fight Tarver because he doesn't have a name, are the same ones who get mad at Floyd when he says Cotto doesn't have a name.

Tarver is the top LHW folks

[ThePlugInBabies]

You brits are funny. The same ones saying Joe C. shouldn't fight Tarver because he doesn't have a name, are the same ones who get mad at Floyd when he says Cotto doesn't have a name.

Tarver is the top LHW folks

brits say that? or are you just talking out your arse? cotto-floyd is very much an american and PR thing, don't see too many brits getting caught up in those flame wars.

oh and calzaghe just beat the man who beat the man, milkdud is in that chain somewhere isn't he?

[CJLightweight]

Well, shit, I guess that meant Ivan Drago was in line to fight for the heavy title after Rocky as well eh? Mr T? Where was his shot?



How many fights has Calzaghe had there? One?
And he beat Hopkins, who beat what was that guys name again....Wright? No, not that guy, the other one.....



I don't think it is a legit belt to be honest. I hope you had that opinion when it was the only belt Tarver had, you know, when he fought Johnson. Or was it different then????

look at the post that i quoted..he stated that tarver was not a name unless you missed that. You know mr. T and ivan drago so that means tarver is a name

so..its like fighter A beats fighter B so that does mean he is better than fighter C who was beaten by fighter C. Styles makes fights, tarver beat jones twice who also beat hopkins, does it mean that tarver also beats hopkins? Wrong/failed logic.

you already said it was not a legit belt means you agree, no i don't have that opinion for the ring belt as a legit belt in any point of time.:hi:

[David_TheMan]

brits say that? or are you just talking out your arse? cotto-floyd is very much an american and PR thing, don't see too many brits getting caught up in those flame wars.

oh and calzaghe just beat the man who beat the man, milkdud is in that chain somewhere isn't he?

So what? Boxing doesn't have the commutative property. Hopkins beating Tarver doesn't mean Calzaghe beats Tarver. Joe is doing a nice job of having the Euros buy into his "greatness" but he fails in my view. He isn't the LHW champ and he hasn't fought good competition in the SMW division.

If he wants to try to make him legacy mean something, I see no reason not to fight a peer, someone his own age, who has actually accomplished something in his career. If he wants to say he is something at LHW the guy has to fight, Dawson, Johnson, Jones, or Tarver

[planetzion]

All this talk about the great Joe Calzaghe having another career defining bout, this time against a middleweight !!! What a joke.

Joe Calzaghe may well be a long time world champion but to suggest he's an ATG, best super middleweight ever, a P4P King, etc, etc, etc is a complete farce.

What has Calzaghe achieved to be ranked alongside the greats? Don't say undefeated champion because we could say that about Sven Ottke too! In fact there's very little between Sven Ottke and Joe Calzaghe except that Joe took the next step to travel across the ocean to fight, although that was against a 43 year old who would have destroyed Calzaghe a decade ago.

Calzaghe has been expertly handled, avoiding world class fighters that have great handspeed and agility as their main offensive weapons. In fact it's hard to find that one "career defining fight" in Calzaghe's record (compared to champions such as Hopkins, Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather, Dela Hoya, etc) simply because he is yet to have one.

C'mon, step up and tell us about that one great fight that was his defining moment in boxing history, that one super bout against a great opponent that we'll be talking about for generations to come.

That's right, it don't exist.

THE SIMPLE FACT IS CALZAGHE AVOIDS THE FIGHTERS THAT WILL EXPOSE HIM AS A FRAUD, and has done so he entire career!!!

Forget fighting middleweights or over the hill champions. CALZAGHE NEEDS TO STEP UP AND PROVE HIMSELF, AND THE MAN TO DO THAT WITH IS ANTONIO TARVER !!!

But we all know he'd never go there, don't we.

accusing Calzaghe of avoiding tough fighters by using Tarver as an example makes you quite possibly the most retarded poster esb.....ever

[CJLightweight]

oh and calzaghe just beat the man who beat the man, milkdud is in that chain somewhere isn't he?

i really don't agree with this kind of logic, its kind of a chain thing but the lowest part of the chain could have beaten the highest part of the chain

for example hearns lose to barkley, then barkley lose to duran, but hearns won against duran..

jones lose to tarver, tarver lose to hopkins, but jones won against hopkins

[thesandman]

You brits are funny. The same ones saying Joe C. shouldn't fight Tarver because he doesn't have a name, are the same ones who get mad at Floyd when he says Cotto doesn't have a name.

Tarver is the top LHW folks

I'm not a brit.

Tarver is the top LHW based on exactly what?

Beating Clinton Woods? Or Muqiri or whatever the fuck he was called?
I thought he lost recently to Hopkins too, but that's just me.

If you'd said Tarver was one of the better LHW's, I would have agreed. But the best? Be realistic. He's old, and always been near or at the top, but in a 'win one, lose one' kind of fashion. He's never ever dominated the division.

According to another poster here Sylvester Stallone is not far off a heavyweight title shot because everybody has heard of him.

Oh, and for a second time.

Fuck Tarver.

[Beeston Brawler]

If A beats B,
and B beats C,
this doesn't always mean that A will beat C.

Brendan Ingle classic quote.

Timothy Bradley beats Junior Witter (fact)
Timothy Bradley loses to Ricky Hatton (probably)
Ricky Hatton loses to Junior Witter (don't think so - never have either)

[CJLightweight]

Yes, because that was the actor's name, wasn't it?

Dolph Lundgren, i think you'll find and noone gives a shit about him anymore. He's certainly not a a "name" and he wasn't one at the time either.

Also, noone's arguing form, they're arguing linear rights. Joe beat Hopkins, who beat Tarver, who beat Johnson, who beat Tarver, who beat Jones... therefore, Joe is currently the lineal holder based on that. He'd beat Tarver anyway - Tarver hates fighting at pace and would get agitated by the constant pressure.

perhaps to you, but i've seen a lot of his movies and he was known to me at least.

I also think tarver loses to calzaghe but at the end of the day ITS JUST OUR OPINION.. So what happens if calzaghe retires? It doesn't surely say he beated tarver because we think he beats him.. its the same thing as oh he'd beat ottke anyway, oh he'd beat pavlik anyway.

Its the same as floyd fans, saying so what he'd beat cotto anyway, margo looks slow not in the level of floyd he'd beat margo anyway. PW got outboxed by quintana, floyd would beat him anyway.

Its about proving things..

[Beeston Brawler]

Good point Ceej.

I would expect both Calzaghe and Mayweather to beat the aforementioned names, but proof is in the pudding.

Apparently England has some of the best football players - just a shame our team isn't in the top 16 in Europe :deal.

[CJLightweight]

I'm not a brit.

Tarver is the top LHW based on exactly what?

Beating Clinton Woods? Or Muqiri or whatever the fuck he was called?
I thought he lost recently to Hopkins too, but that's just me.

If you'd said Tarver was one of the better LHW's, I would have agreed. But the best? Be realistic. He's old, and always been near or at the top, but in a 'win one, lose one' kind of fashion. He's never ever dominated the division.

According to another poster here Sylvester Stallone is not far off a heavyweight title shot because everybody has heard of him.

Oh, and for a second time.

Fuck Tarver.

perhaps it would help if you would look up at tarver's record.. i already posted his notable wins. So what if he'd never ever dominated the division? Do you think calzaghe has dominated the division when he only had one fucking fight at LHW? You already said "win one, lose one" how would we know about calzaghe at LHW if he only did one?

And stallone is not a boxer, don't try to be ridiculous..by your logic, arnold swarzenegger should also have a shot at a HW title:nut hahahaha

[CJLightweight]

Good point Ceej.

I would expect both Calzaghe and Mayweather to beat the aforementioned names, but proof is in the pudding.

Apparently England has some of the best football players - just a shame our team isn't in the top 16 in Europe :deal.

yes, its about proving things.. certainly tarver is a good name to add in calzaghe's resume

so as mayweather with cotto, margo as names to be added...

What kind of fan now would not want their guy to increase their legacy? :deal

[ThePlugInBabies]

So what? Boxing doesn't have the commutative property. Hopkins beating Tarver doesn't mean Calzaghe beats Tarver. Joe is doing a nice job of having the Euros buy into his "greatness" but he fails in my view. He isn't the LHW champ and he hasn't fought good competition in the SMW division.

If he wants to try to make him legacy mean something, I see no reason not to fight a peer, someone his own age, who has actually accomplished something in his career. If he wants to say he is something at LHW the guy has to fight, Dawson, Johnson, Jones, or Tarver

i've done calzaghe's resume before and i'm not going into it again.

i was simply picking you up on your bullshit line about tarver being "the top" at LHW which is evidently not the truth seen as he was the man when he got tooled by hopkins who went onto lose to calzaghe.

that is that, whatever you think happens in mythical H2H matchups don't mean shit, calzaghe is the man at 168 & 175, tarver ain't shit.

[ThePlugInBabies]

i really don't agree with this kind of logic, its kind of a chain thing but the lowest part of the chain could have beaten the highest part of the chain

for example hearns lose to barkley, then barkley lose to duran, but hearns won against duran..

jones lose to tarver, tarver lose to hopkins, but jones won against hopkins

you've completely and utterly missed the point of my post, as did the guy i was replying to.

[CJLightweight]

you've completely and utterly missed the point of my post, as did the guy i was replying to.

your whole point was calzaghe was the man at 168 and 175.. when he beat hopkins who beats tarver thus the chain and the famous fighter A beats B who beats C logic

[Serpent Saint]

your whole point was calzaghe was the man at 168 and 175.. when he beat hopkins who beats tarver thus the chain and the famous fighter A beats B who beats C logic
No it wasn't.

[CJLightweight]

No it wasn't.

umm..was i talking to you?

[ThePlugInBabies]

your whole point was calzaghe was the man at 168 and 175.. when he beat hopkins who beats tarver thus the chain and the famous fighter A beats B who beats C logic

oh sweet motherfucking jesus. :-(

right....

RJJ lost to tarver, who lost to glencoffe, he then beat glencoffe before losing to nard who went onto lose to joe.

hence joe being "the man" in the division.

[Serpent Saint]

umm..was i talking to you?
What has that got to do with you completely missing his point?

[CJLightweight]

oh sweet motherfucking jesus. :-(

what is your point then? can you please just tell what your point is then. I hope i am not asking too much:yep

[CJLightweight]

What has that got to do with you completely missing his point?

so just please tell me the point then?

[Serpent Saint]

what is your point then? can you please just tell what your point is then. I hope i am not asking too much:yep
The statement was "Tarver is the best LHW."

It was then pointed out repeatedly that in fact, Tarver USED to be recognised as the Ring champ/the man at LHW.

He then lost to Hopkins. Making Hopkins the Ring champ/man at LHW.

Hopkins in turn, lost to Calzaghe, making Calzaghe the top LHW.

[SnakeFist7]

Tarver beat a prime Jones apparently.

Tarver has done nothing really. He sucks and lives off his victory over a unmotivated, drained, and depleting Jones whose reflexes had eroded.

What has Tarver done since then besides lose to Johnson, lose to a old B-Hop, and win a lackluster decision over Woods who Jones destroyed when he was close to prime. He is only still whispered around by virtue of his win over an old Jones.

Calzaghe is a fraud for not fighting someone who has done nothing special and has been riding his KO win over Jones.

[Serpent Saint]

Balboa was robbed.

[CJLightweight]

The statement was "Tarver is the best LHW."

It was then pointed out repeatedly that in fact, Tarver USED to be recognised as the Ring champ/the man at LHW.

He then lost to Hopkins. Making Hopkins the Ring champ/man at LHW.

Hopkins in turn, lost to Calzaghe, making Calzaghe the top LHW.

thanks, anyway i was perhaps one of the minority of people who don't agreed with hopkins being name as the man after beating tarver. Tarver has got that history of winning one then losing eventually against big name opponents. Jones and glen johnson won their first fight against tarver for example.

[Pimp C]

IMO Calzaghe should fight Dawson he's the only fight left for him to take IMO.

[klion22]

Right now, i think Tarver is the best LHW out there. He looked like the Tarver who beat RJJ against Woods. His hand speed, foot speed, and overall movement was much better than in his previous few fights.

I know why Dawson isn't fighting Tarver because he would go to sleep without a doubt from that straight left hand of Tarver's.

[Pimp C]

Right now, i think Tarver is the best LHW out there. He looked like the Tarver who beat RJJ against Woods. His hand speed, foot speed, and overall movement was much better than in his previous few fights.

I know why Dawson isn't fighting Tarver because he would go to sleep without a doubt from that straight left hand of Tarver's.
Tarver is the one who hasn't mentioned Dawson's name.:deal Chad has said several time sthat he would fight Tarver.

[klion22]

Tarver is the one who hasn't mentioned Dawson's name.:deal Chad has said several time sthat he would fight Tarver.

Bullsh*t.

At the post fight interview AND post fight conference, Tarver said he wanted Dawson. And he said that based on the April 12th performance, he knew he could put Dawson to sleep. And he can. Dawson is the guy who didn't even mention Tarver after the fight.

[David_TheMan]

i've done calzaghe's resume before and i'm not going into it again.

i was simply picking you up on your bullshit line about tarver being "the top" at LHW which is evidently not the truth seen as he was the man when he got tooled by hopkins who went onto lose to calzaghe.

that is that, whatever you think happens in mythical H2H matchups don't mean shit, calzaghe is the man at 168 & 175, tarver ain't shit.

I don't care what you have done to calzaghe's resume. He has fought no one to merit talk of a ATG.

Tarver is the top LHW. Dawson is ducking him, he beat the top guys in the division, who stands above him, certainly not Dawson (not yet).

Calzaghe is the man in 168, a weak division. He is not the man at 175. Tarver is the man, followed by Dawson, then Johnson and the rest is below them. Those three guys are the cream of the LHW crop and they were so even after B-Hop beat Tarver.

If Tarver "aint shit" why is Calzaghe scared to fight him. He made a damn agreement to fight Woods if he beat Tarver, but he won't fight Tarver after he clearly outclassed Woods. Calzaghe aint shit.

[ThePlugInBabies]

to be the man, you've got to beat the man, something which calzaghe just did, something that tarver hasn't done recently to claim top spot.

flap your gums all you want but you can't go changing rules just to suit your arguement and twisted version of events.

all the woods talk is just that, talk. it was all from woods camp, nothing from calzaghe's.

joe calzaghe is the man at 175. :yep

[TFFP]

What the fuck? :lol::patsch

So now he's supposed to fight the man Hopkins beat the shit out of? Yeah, I'm sure that will get him much respect, it's not like the senior tour jibes would come out :roll:

Calzaghe can never win with you spastics.

[Serpent Saint]

I don't care what you have done to calzaghe's resume. He has fought no one to merit talk of a ATG.

Tarver is the top LHW. Dawson is ducking him, he beat the top guys in the division, who stands above him, certainly not Dawson (not yet).

Calzaghe is the man in 168, a weak division. He is not the man at 175. Tarver is the man, followed by Dawson, then Johnson and the rest is below them. Those three guys are the cream of the LHW crop and they were so even after B-Hop beat Tarver.

If Tarver "aint shit" why is Calzaghe scared to fight him. He made a damn agreement to fight Woods if he beat Tarver, but he won't fight Tarver after he clearly outclassed Woods. Calzaghe aint shit.
This is not even a matter of opinion. You are just flat out wrong.

[David_TheMan]

to be the man, you've got to beat the man, something which calzaghe just did, something that tarver hasn't done recently to claim top spot.

flap your gums all you want but you can't go changing rules just to suit your arguement and twisted version of events.

joe calzaghe is the man at 175. :yep

B-Hop had a belt at 175, the Ring Belt, he fought Calzaghe and outclassed him and lost a decision. How does that make him the man in the division? He doesn't have the linear title Erdei does. So tell me, what claim does he have to say he is the man in the division besides the Ring belt.

I'm not changing the rules at all man, just bringing some reality to the conversation. Calzaghe is nowhere near the top dog in the division.

[David_TheMan]

What the fuck? :lol::patsch

So now he's supposed to fight the man Hopkins beat the shit out of? Yeah, I'm sure that will get him much respect, it's not like the senior tour jibes would come out :roll:

Calzaghe can never win with you spastics.

Why would Calzaghe fight Woods if he beat Tarver, but not fight Tarver after he dominated Woods? The answer is quite clear. Fear.

[ThePlugInBabies]

B-Hop had a belt at 175, the Ring Belt, he fought Calzaghe and outclassed him and lost a decision. How does that make him the man in the division? He doesn't have the linear title Erdei does. So tell me, what claim does he have to say he is the man in the division besides the Ring belt.

I'm not changing the rules at all man, just bringing some reality to the conversation. Calzaghe is nowhere near the top dog in the division.

did you rate DM the man over RJJ then?

with erdei, there comes a point when your claim to lineage must be seriously questioned with all your shitty defences of it.

[CJLightweight]

surely calzaghe fans would want calzaghe to fight tarver, am i right?:roll: or would they rather have their man fight an old jones who was tarver's leftover

[ThePlugInBabies]

surely calzaghe fans would want calzaghe to fight tarver, am i right?:roll: or would they rather have their man fight an old jones who was tarver's leftover

there is the small matter of the pavlik fight being discussed.

[Serpent Saint]

surely calzaghe fans would want calzaghe to fight tarver, am i right?:roll: or would they rather have their man fight an old jones who was tarver's leftover
I would assume his fans would prefer he fought neither.

[CJLightweight]

there is the small matter of the pavlik fight being discussed.

man at 168, man at 175, now he'll be the man at 160:shock:

[Pimp C]

Bullsh*t.

At the post fight interview AND post fight conference, Tarver said he wanted Dawson. And he said that based on the April 12th performance, he knew he could put Dawson to sleep. And he can. Dawson is the guy who didn't even mention Tarver after the fight.
Showtime put Dawson and Tarver on the same card awhile back before the last fight in hopes of the two meeting down the road. Tarver looked horrible and Dawson looked great. Dawson was all for it and Tarver tried to find every excuse in the book to avoid the fight.:deal

[klion22]

Showtime put Dawson and Tarver on the same card awhile back in hopes of the two meeting down the road. Dawson was all for it and tarver tried to find every excuse in the book to avoid the fight.:deal

I agree. Tarver avoided Dawson in their first card. But this time around, Dawson is the one avoiding Tarver. Funny how one fight can change things.

[thesandman]

thanks, anyway i was perhaps one of the minority of people who don't agreed with hopkins being name as the man after beating tarver. Tarver has got that history of winning one then losing eventually against big name opponents. Jones and glen johnson won their first fight against tarver for example.

Right. Hopkins wasn't the man for beating Tarver, fair enough.

But somehow Tarver IS the man after losing to Hopkins, and beating Clinton Woods?

Fuck me, I see how that works.

And don't put his resume up again, I've seen it. And it's OK.

And personally, I don't think Calzaghe is the man at 175. But I don't think Tarver is either.

I do think Calzaghe is the dominant 168 pounder by some distance, and recently beat Hopkins at Light Heavy. Nothing more or less.

Why should he beat Tarver? Why not fight somebody actually at the top of their game? (for the record, I don't want him to fight Jones either.)

[TommyV]

Fuck Tarver, Pavlik is a much bigger fight in all aspects.

[jaois138]

All this talk about the great Joe Calzaghe having another career defining bout, this time against a middleweight !!! What a joke.

Joe Calzaghe may well be a long time world champion but to suggest he's an ATG, best super middleweight ever, a P4P King, etc, etc, etc is a complete farce.

What has Calzaghe achieved to be ranked alongside the greats? Don't say undefeated champion because we could say that about Sven Ottke too! In fact there's very little between Sven Ottke and Joe Calzaghe except that Joe took the next step to travel across the ocean to fight, although that was against a 43 year old who would have destroyed Calzaghe a decade ago.

Calzaghe has been expertly handled, avoiding world class fighters that have great handspeed and agility as their main offensive weapons. In fact it's hard to find that one "career defining fight" in Calzaghe's record (compared to champions such as Hopkins, Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather, Dela Hoya, etc) simply because he is yet to have one.

C'mon, step up and tell us about that one great fight that was his defining moment in boxing history, that one super bout against a great opponent that we'll be talking about for generations to come.

That's right, it don't exist.

THE SIMPLE FACT IS CALZAGHE AVOIDS THE FIGHTERS THAT WILL EXPOSE HIM AS A FRAUD, and has done so he entire career!!!

Forget fighting middleweights or over the hill champions. CALZAGHE NEEDS TO STEP UP AND PROVE HIMSELF, AND THE MAN TO DO THAT WITH IS ANTONIO TARVER !!!

But we all know he'd never go there, don't we.

Exactly, enough of this fighting lighter fighters. Fight Tarver and then people can consider you as the P4P fighter. Untli then, im sorry to say it Joe; but the p4p fighter in the world is PACMAN!

[LightningJoe]

Exactly, enough of this fighting lighter fighters. Fight Tarver and then people can consider you as the P4P fighter. Untli then, im sorry to say it Joe; but the p4p fighter in the world is PACMAN!

Who exactly are these "lighter fighters"?

:huh

[Bodysnatcher]

Yeah but Tommie was a huge Jr Middleweight.
Marvin Hagler 5-9
Tommie Hearns was 6-1

Pavlik is a huge MW.

Calzaghe an average SM.

Pavlik - 6`2 and a half

Calzaghe - 5`11 and a half

Anyone who complains about Calzaghe `fighting middleweights` when Pavlik is discussed must then complain about Marvin Hagler's defining fight being against a Junior Middleweight.

[TommyV]

Pavlik has the frame of a super-middle at least anyway.