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Hatesrats
06-09-2008, 11:43 AM
Regardless of who wins, The safe bet would be that there is no way this fight will see 12 RDS.
Does anyone out there think this fight will go the distance? if so Why?

Personaly I can't imagine this going 12.

TommyV
06-09-2008, 11:45 AM
I'm putting a bit on Cotto by TKO.

brown_bomber
06-09-2008, 11:46 AM
its going to be a brutal contest

JM22
06-09-2008, 11:48 AM
I pick Tony by tko or ko

AbbasKhan6428
06-09-2008, 11:50 AM
This fight will be too unpredictable. i would be suprised if one of there corner pulled them out RTD. this will be a pittbull fight with 2 hungry fighters. it is possible for it to go to decision, because both have taken a lot of punishment before.

all i say is that i changed ma mind and wont be putting big money on this fight. maybe £50 on cotto to win.

truewarrior
06-09-2008, 11:54 AM
if it does go the distance it will probably be one of the most brutal fights this year. Cant wait for this shit to start this reminds me of Oscar V Tito but its gonna be way better imo

klion22
06-09-2008, 11:57 AM
Regardless of who wins, The safe bet would be that there is no way this fight will see 12 RDS.
Does anyone out there think this fight will go the distance? if so Why?

Personaly I can't imagine this going 12.

Well, let's look at some recent fights which defied odds.

Pavlik/Taylor 2. No one expected 12 rounds. It went 12.

Quintana/Williams 2. No one expected an early stoppage. It ended in 1.

RJJ/Trinidad. No one expected 12 rounds. It went 12.

Just based on history, it looks like what you expect won't happen. :good

Hatesrats
06-09-2008, 11:58 AM
Well, let's look at some recent fights which defied odds.

Pavlik/Taylor 2. No one expected 12 rounds. It went 12.

Quintana/Williams 2. No one expected an early stoppage. It ended in 1.

RJJ/Trinidad. No one expected 12 rounds. It went 12.

Just based on history, it looks like what you expect won't happen. :good

True, I'll give you that

KCD
06-09-2008, 11:59 AM
I think Cotto is going to put on a clinic and stop Margarito in 10.

I dont think he will ko Margo, but i can see Cotto busting Margo up and the referee having to call time.

klion22
06-09-2008, 12:03 PM
I think Cotto is going to put on a clinic and stop Margarito in 10.

I dont think he will ko Margo, but i can see Cotto busting Margo up and the referee having to call time.

This is how i see it. There is a clear difference in class between the two. Most people think Cotto is just going to come down to Margs level and brawl. I don't see it that way. I see Cotto trying to outbox Marg. Of course, Cotto's warrior mentality will force him into some exchanges but if he's smart, he will use his superior boxing skills. It's like when you play Shaq, you don't try to outmuscle him. You try to outquick him. It would play right into Marg's hands if Cotto decides to brawl straight up.

Drederick Tatum
06-09-2008, 12:06 PM
I see a stoppage in favor of Cotto, that GASH that Santos opened on Margo's right brow is right in line for Cotto's left hook.

Amsterdam
06-09-2008, 12:07 PM
This is how i see it. There is a clear difference in class between the two. Most people think Cotto is just going to come down to Margs level and brawl. I don't see it that way. I see Cotto trying to outbox Marg. Of course, Cotto's warrior mentality will force him into some exchanges but if he's smart, he will use his superior boxing skills. It's like when you play Shaq, you don't try to outmuscle him. You try to outquick him. It would play right into Marg's hands if Cotto decides to brawl straight up.

If it goes inside, Cotto owns him. He has a decent inside defence and Marg's offensive arsenal is the definition of sloppy, Cotto's hands are very fast and he'll nail him with quick combo's like Clottey did, only this time they will be precise and powerful in impact.

I realistically don't see Cotto having any trouble at all. TKO 7.

warrior85
06-09-2008, 12:22 PM
vazquez/marquez 3 went 12 so who knows,personally i dont see it goin 12 tho

amunz81
06-09-2008, 12:36 PM
i dont think it will go 12. these 2 guys are to macho with a warriors mentality! then again, they are both tough as hell. cotto ko/tko late IMO!

Pimp C
06-09-2008, 12:42 PM
Somebody is getting stopped.

amunz81
06-09-2008, 12:50 PM
agreed!

Scar
06-09-2008, 01:52 PM
Yes it will go 12 rounds.

Gunnar
06-09-2008, 02:06 PM
I think it will go the distance, yep.

Ambition_Def
06-09-2008, 02:24 PM
Less than 12. Margo is gonna stop Cotto.

BodyShots
06-09-2008, 02:30 PM
I definitley see Cotto knocking Margo off his feet with a brutal bodyshot but it all depends on if Margarito has the strength and heart to get up.

richie leon
06-09-2008, 02:54 PM
Will everybody please remember that Cotto went 12 with Mosley last year and never badly hurt him? Now, Mosley is though, but does he take a better shot than Margarito?
I see Cotto winning over 12, because i also don't see Margo stopping Cotto. Yes, i know Cotto's history, but whenever he got stunned or hurt in fights it was from a sudden explosive shot.
Margarito is more of a heavy-handed grinder, who knocks you out mentally before he knocks you out physically. I don't see Cotto getting KO'ed mentally.

Atritionist
06-09-2008, 02:55 PM
Cotto has to show a great display of boxing skills if he is to beat Margo. So I do see a UD in Cotto's favor.

J.R.
06-09-2008, 03:12 PM
I don't think so. I'm predicting a fight where both are going to be bombing on each other right from the get go and in that scenario I can realistically see either man getting knocked the hell out.

I could be wrong though. I never thought that Vazquez and Marquez could go the full 12 considering their brutal wars, penetrable defenses, and dentable chins, but I was obviously wrong in that instance.

Jinx
06-09-2008, 03:34 PM
this fight ain't going the distance because both guys will be trying to hurt each other, and their pride in country will induce them into a war....

the_what
06-09-2008, 03:37 PM
Margarito is durable. But Cotto brings the pain. Margo is going to take such a bad ass whooping that his corner will have to throw in the towel.

psychopath
06-19-2008, 06:46 PM
I'm not expecting it to full route either. Both fighters are certified brawlers who's intention is to hurt their opponents pretty bad . . . but I figure one of these guys will back down and try to box . . . so it's not really a distant possibility.

JC2006
06-19-2008, 08:04 PM
Absolutely not. There is no possible way this fight is going the distance.

For those who have the Mosley fight watch the 3rd round. At 1:49 Mosley lands an overhand right and completely stops Cotto in his tracks. Mosley then dances away with a cocky expression on his face. That is exactly what Margarito will not be doing. That's what's interesting to me about this fight. When Margarito lands his big shots he will not stop throwing. Cotto hasn't had to deal with a sustained assault very much in his career. We'll find out if that is because Cotto is just seemingly easy to hurt and hard to knockout, or if it's because nobody has ever been able to push quite hard enough.

Margarito is no Mosley.

BADINTENTIONS2
06-19-2008, 08:05 PM
i'm really surprised people think this can go 12

JC2006
06-19-2008, 08:57 PM
Yeah, I agree. He's no Mosley. Margarito isn't going to wait 9 rounds to pounce like old man Mosley did.

Exactly. Cotto will fucking stop him in the 8th.

hellblazer
06-19-2008, 09:01 PM
Cotto by late TKO.

JabCross727
06-19-2008, 09:25 PM
I really think that the fight can go two routes. One such avenue is a brawl; in this scenario, it favors Margarito but really is a tossup since both Cotto and Margarito are the two most violent fighters in the sport who want to hurt their opponent, let alone in the same division: welterweight. So either Cotto or Margarito can win by stoppage. The second avenue is a technical fight which I can only see Cotto doing since he has shown, especially in the Mosley fight, his boxing skills. Margarito has only shown that he wants to brawl. A technical fight may be boring to fans but can be one way in which Cotto can win the fight.

Monticello
06-19-2008, 09:34 PM
I think it's going 12 rounds. I think Cotto pulls off a close decision.

JabCross727
06-19-2008, 09:49 PM
I think it's going 12 rounds. I think Cotto pulls off a close decision.

Will it be a unanimous or split decision for Cotto?

tays001
06-19-2008, 09:54 PM
If it goes inside, Cotto owns him. He has a decent inside defence and Marg's offensive arsenal is the definition of sloppy, Cotto's hands are very fast and he'll nail him with quick combo's like Clottey did, only this time they will be precise and powerful in impact.

I realistically don't see Cotto having any trouble at all. TKO 7.

dam i see it the same way margo will be brutally outclassed:good

Imperial1
06-19-2008, 10:18 PM
Yes it will !

JC2006
06-19-2008, 10:49 PM
Like he stopped Mosley, right? LOL

Are you really laughing out loud?

Mosley is a far superior boxer than Margarito. Don't compare the two.

Antwuan Maxx
06-19-2008, 10:54 PM
Are you really laughing out loud?

Mosley is a far superior boxer than Margarito. Don't compare the two.

Not only that, but Mosley's chin and durability is far more proven than Tony's.

JC2006
06-19-2008, 11:01 PM
Have you watched Cotto vs Mosley? On the night that Mosley fought Cotto his timing was shit, he was pawing with his power shots, he was backing straight out, and he was using almost zero headmovement. This is a joke right? Margarito might back straight out, and he might use zero head movement as well, but at least Margarito will follow through on his shots, and properly time his punches.

Mosley is old, dude. He's over the hill. This is the same guy who fought on equal terms until his stoppages with completely shot Fernando Vargas in 2006. Get real.

Yeah I watched it live. That fight was also last November, Cotto has no doubt improved since then. I'm not talking about the Gomez fight either, that means nothing to me. Margarito may time his punches but he's going to pay for it.

Mosley may be over the hill but considering he has never been stopped in his career, I can't go too hard on Cotto for not being the first one to accomplish the task.

Farmboxer
06-19-2008, 11:03 PM
Could go 12, but it will be a very brutal fight. I will not be surprsed if Margarito knocks Cotto out. Still, could go either way.

nezy37
06-19-2008, 11:07 PM
Cotto is going to box his way to a UD. I don't think this fight isn't going to be an all out brawl like everyone expects.

Antwuan Maxx
06-19-2008, 11:14 PM
Have you watched Cotto vs Mosley? On the night that Mosley fought Cotto his timing was shit, he was pawing with his power shots, he was backing straight out, and he was using almost zero head movement. This is a joke right? Margarito might back straight out, and he might use zero head movement as well, but at least Margarito will follow through on his shots, and properly time his punches.

Mosley is old, dude. He's over the hill. This is the same guy who fought on equal terms until his stoppages with completely shot Fernando Vargas in 2006. Get real.

Are you suggesting Mosley-Vargas II was fought on equal terms? :lol: Wow.

You must be kidding. Margarito takes more leather in one fight than Mosley has taken in 5 fights. To question Margarito's durability is ridiculous. Outrageous.

Please. Mosley made the plunge from 135 to all the way up to 154, and only once was in trouble, that coincidentally occurred after a bad clash of heads. Which is astonishing conisdering his level of opposition. Margarito's been down on 3 occassions and rocked by fighters not known for punching power like Joshua Clottey and Daniel Santos. His durability is primarily based on his fights with Kermit Cintron and other subpar comp.

Antwuan Maxx
06-19-2008, 11:15 PM
Margarito has never been stopped either.

Are you being realistic? If you were, you would acknowledge that if anyone is going to get hurt or stopped it's Cotto. Whether it's on paper or "watching fights live" Margarito's ability to take and give punishment is superior. That facts prove it. Margarito has stopped opponents in the first round half a dozen times, Cotto has only stopped an opponent in the first round once, in his first pro fight. Cotto is the one who's been rocked by a laundry list of opponents. Margarito is the one who you can't rock with a baseball bat. Get real.

I guess Santos and Clottey must load their gloves...


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JC2006
06-19-2008, 11:18 PM
And quit fuckin' telling me to get real when everyone is nullifying your points. :rasta

Antwuan Maxx
06-19-2008, 11:36 PM
No I'm suggesting something even worse. That in their first fight, when each fighter was younger and had even less mileage on them, Vargas fought on equal terms with Mosley...... Picking at that one aspect is weak, regardless, friend. :tong

You are just completely reaching with this crud about Margarito and Mosley. Who is more durable than the other? Who gives a fuck. They're both waaaaaay more durable than Cotto. We all know that. Margarito is probably more durable anyway, even though there's no way to prove it. If Margarito got rocked by Clottey than Cotto got rocked by Urkal. You better point out in which round he got rocked because that counter right hookercut Clottey landed didn't wobble Margarito 1/10th as much as I've seen Cotto wobbled about 10 different times.

Either way, the rematch was as one-sided as you can get it. Saying it was fought on even terms, shows either a., you didn't see the fight, or b. , you're a liar. LOL @ the younger aspect. The fights were 5 months apart. And how am I reaching with durability "crud." Anyone who has been following Boxing for a while knows, Shane has a proven chin and durability against elite fighters. As I said in my previous posts, Margarito's durability is proven against lesser competition. And who gives a fuck? Apparently, you being that after those GIFs put your "can't rock with a baseball bat" theory to rest, you felt the need to make shit up, or at least imply shit that never happened.

Santos is legit - temple shot. Clottey caught him with a monster shot and Margarito didn't wobble anywhere near as much as Cotto did against Malignaggi. Malignaggi, I know! LOL

Urkal. Now Malignaggi. :lol: Good shit.

Antwuan Maxx
06-19-2008, 11:50 PM
LOL, you are so full of it, dude. But you're an obvious fan of Cotto so I understand. I like Cotto too. I'm just more concerned with picking fights correctly and telling the truth. The stuff you came up with here was incredibly weak though, in all seriousness.

Translation; "I'm gonna pull the fan boy card, and pretend your posts weren't made with any objectivity, in order to hide the fact that I can't respond with anything of substance. I'm right and you're wrong."


Great logic there, budy. :good

JC2006
06-19-2008, 11:56 PM
San Rafael ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), you will be fucking GONE from this site after the fight, nowhere to be found... ([Only registered and activated users can see links])

JC2006
06-19-2008, 11:59 PM
Nah, you are the dicksucker. That's obvious. How does Cotto's dick taste?

I could give a fuck about Margarito.


Save the bullshit. :dead Weak.

Antwuan Maxx
06-20-2008, 12:11 AM
You ducked every point I made and tried to turn it into a conversation about Mosley/Vargas II, and some nonsense about the temple shot that Santos hurt Margarito with and the counter shot that Clottey landed with some GIF's that you already have as a Cotto fan and an obvious hater, and you want to talk? Your shit was garbage, straight up. Dead serious.

Ducked which points? Cotto being hurt by Urkal, Malignaggi, and all in all 10 times? :lol: Funny how you dismiss the temple shot. Had that been Cotto, you would be saying he was ready to go.

And I have the GIFs already because someone requested them on another forum. I also have GIFs of Cotto getting rocked by Torres, and Pavlik (another one of my favs) getting dropped by Fulgencio Zuniga.

Garbage? :lol: Yeah, and you dropped some real thought provoking shit.

Let's you and me talk again after the fight if you have the guts. Sound good? You're going to look like a fucking fool. Get ready.

Guts? :rofl Yeah, posting on a message board is some hardcore shit. I'll be here for a while, newb. :hi: That is...if I can muster the courage.

JC2006
06-20-2008, 12:22 AM
More garbage, eh? I don't put anything on the temple shot that Corley hurt Cotto with either. Both fighters were legitmately hurt, but they're fucking human aren't they? Enough trauma to the temple and it can kill a person.

You ducked every point I made about Cotto and the subject at hand and tried to pick and choose what you wanted to respond to like a wuss who knew he couldn't hang. And you're supposed to be some hotshot veteran? LOL, classic.

You want to have an avatar bet on this fight, bigshot? How confident are you?

I will have you an avatar bet to get that douchebag off yours, if nothing else.

Antwuan Maxx
06-20-2008, 12:34 AM
More garbage, eh? I don't put anything on the temple shot that Corley hurt Cotto with either. Both fighters were legitmately hurt, but they're fucking human aren't they? Enough trauma to the temple and it can kill a person.


For once, you're actually speaking with some sense. But it's funny, a page back, Margarito couldn't be hurt with a baseball bat. Now he's a mere mortal. :lol:

You ducked every point I made about Cotto and the subject at hand and tried to pick and choose what you wanted to respond to like a wuss who knew he couldn't hang. And you're supposed to be some hotshot veteran? LOL, classic.


:lol: Didn't I ask you to name the points I supposedly "ducked." LOL @ "wuss." What is this elementary school?

You want to have an avatar bet on this fight, bigshot? How confident are you?

Avatar bet? Sorry, I don't think I have the guts for such a challenge.

cardstars
06-20-2008, 12:45 AM
Well, let's look at some recent fights which defied odds.

Pavlik/Taylor 2. No one expected 12 rounds. It went 12.

Quintana/Williams 2. No one expected an early stoppage. It ended in 1.

RJJ/Trinidad. No one expected 12 rounds. It went 12.

Just based on history, it looks like what you expect won't happen. :good

Mayorga/Vargas, Sultan/Wlad, Mollo/Golota, etc etc

Guys, I am 90% sure this fight goes the distance. If you think Cotto is going to KO Margo then just watch the Mosley fight. I think he is for sure going to outbox Margo but I don't see him stopping Marg. I think he's going to tee off but lets not forget that he knows Margo is one dangerous dude, and Cotto will happily just outbox and make him look like a fool. Cottos not a brawler, he's a boxer with some pop, and I really don't see him stopping the iron-chinned Margo who has the stamina to go 15 rounds. Watch the Gomez fight for another example. Cotto just enjoys boxing in there, not going to war. If Gomez can make it 6 then Margo can make it another 6.

And on the other hand if you think Margo is going to stop Cotto then you just need your head examined :D

Cotto wide UD

JC2006
06-20-2008, 12:59 AM
LOL, you're on. For how long?

Don't really give a fuck... a month!?

PH|LLA
06-20-2008, 07:50 PM
Well, let's look at some recent fights which defied odds.

Pavlik/Taylor 2. No one expected 12 rounds. It went 12.

Quintana/Williams 2. No one expected an early stoppage. It ended in 1.

RJJ/Trinidad. No one expected 12 rounds. It went 12.

Just based on history, it looks like what you expect won't happen. :good
yea but how many went as expected? much more


odds are that Cotto wins by decision

splatter69
06-20-2008, 08:29 PM
I know that Margo has rocks in his head. Has he ever been hurt to the body?I think I asked this once before but not sure though. Atm I`m thinking Margo by TKO. But anything is possible.

DINAMITA
06-20-2008, 08:37 PM
Cotto will never have fought anyone who hits as hard as Margarito or who can take a shot as well. When they both tire in the later rounds and it starts getting ragged, Margarito will catch Cotto then stop him with a flurry of headshots. Remember, Cotto got hurt at 140, and Margarito is a beast at 147.

JC2006
06-22-2008, 03:53 PM
Cotto will never have fought anyone who hits as hard as Margarito or who can take a shot as well. When they both tire in the later rounds and it starts getting ragged, Margarito will catch Cotto then stop him with a flurry of headshots. Remember, Cotto got hurt at 140, and Margarito is a beast at 147.

Cotto has fought Shane Mosley, who arguably hits harder than Margarito and takes a shot better than him. Cotto got hurt at 140, he was also weight-drained. Margarito got hurt at 147 too. Your logic is fucked.

fitzgeraldz
06-22-2008, 03:58 PM
I think Cotto has the overall edge and if he can outbox him early and pay close attention to that long torso of Margarito then he can get him out of there.

But if he abandons his boxing skills and trys to impress the crowd them I see Margarito taking advantage of that and catching Cotto with some bullshit punches.

This will be a career defining fight for Cotto --

I can see either guy winning, but I like watching boxing more than I like watching sloppy slugfests.

El Borracho
06-22-2008, 04:24 PM
It will be a war, but I think each is wary enough of the other to stretch the fight the distance

splatter69
07-11-2008, 08:10 PM
I know that Margo has rocks in his head. Has he ever been hurt to the body?I think I asked this once before but not sure though. Atm I`m thinking Margo by TKO. But anything is possible.

Bumping my own question from a few days ago...

psychopath
07-11-2008, 10:00 PM
Well my guess is . . . yes it will.

One of these fighters will back up and slowed it down and try to survive once he feels the pain.