Ken Norton vs. Joe Louis [Archive] - East Side Boxing Forum

cross_trainer

06-19-2007, 10:07 PM

Predictions? :think

UpWithEvil

06-19-2007, 10:14 PM

Norton may be the most underrated heavyweight of the modern era. I think he won the 3rd fight against Ali - if Ken Norton takes 2 of 3 from Muhammad Ali, history's perception of his greatness would be completely different. Throw in the razor-thin decision loss to Larry Holmes (who I certainly consider an ATG hevavyweight) which could easily have gone the other way, and Ken Norton might just be the unluckiest elite heavyweight ever.

Versus Louis? I see Norton winning most of the early rounds, but Joe gets to his questionable chin late, 10th round or later.

ChrisPontius

06-20-2007, 03:00 AM

Louis is outboxed for about one and a half a round untill he catches Norton on the ropes and destroys him with a four punch combination. Norton gets up but from there on it's all Louis untill the referee stops the fight.

achillesthegreat

06-20-2007, 06:04 AM

Louis arsenal spells trouble.

janitor

06-20-2007, 06:06 AM

Louis tells his manager that he will only need one cigar for this fight and confiscates the other fourteen like he did before the second Schmeling fight.

Luigi1985

06-20-2007, 06:07 AM

Louis is outboxed for about one and a half a round untill he catches Norton on the ropes and destroys him with a four punch combination. Norton gets up but from there on it's all Louis untill the referee stops the fight.

I predict exactly the same scenario! :thumbsup

Btw, Hank, you excel yourself every time again!

janitor

06-20-2007, 06:07 AM

Louis, completely baffled by Norton's defensive style, takes a tremendous beating.

What?

Like it completely baffled the great Earnie Shavers?

Luigi1985

06-20-2007, 06:09 AM

What?

Like it completely baffled the great Earnie Shavers?

:yep

Here you can clearly see how biased he is. Against Louis it would be one of Norton´s worst matchups I can think of, and even than Hank picks Norton, it would be the same if I pick Briggs to easily outpoint Ali... :lol:

PowerPuncher

06-20-2007, 07:31 AM

Norton is very underrated here and may have beaten many champions in history on his day. BUT this match up is all wrong for him. Norton would be ko'd sooner or later. The Norton of 71-75 may have got a points lead and given Louis problems before being stopped late.

I think after Holmes Norton was not the same fighter and was effective past his prime when he faced Shavers.

Louis by KO

RockyJim

06-20-2007, 10:21 AM

Joe Louis gets indicted for manslaughter after fighting Ken Norton!!

Sonny's jab

06-20-2007, 10:26 AM

It could go either way on points, or Louis by mid-to-late rounds KO.

Lots of jabbing and defensive boxing in this one.

Bill1234

06-20-2007, 10:28 AM

Louis is outboxed for about one and a half a round untill he catches Norton on the ropes and destroys him with a four punch combination. Norton gets up but from there on it's all Louis untill the referee stops the fight.

Thats about how I see it going.

teeto

10-25-2007, 06:46 AM

Norton had an awkward style , it can't be denied , it was a nightmare for Ali - a boxer who sticks you with his jab and moves and is in and out all night. This is because of Norton's stance and the way he held his right hand by his face. It's different against Louis though. Louis could get to anyone , I think Norton would cause him more trouble than he did Foreman , but I strongly think Louis knocks him out.

Holmes' Jab

10-25-2007, 06:50 AM

Louis spells all sorts of stylistic trouble for Norton, who whilst a good fighter struggled against near enough every ATG puncher he ever fought. Louis by an early stoppage.

Louis TKO4 Norton

Mendoza

10-25-2007, 07:14 AM

Norton may be the most underrated heavyweight of the modern era. I think he won the 3rd fight against Ali - if Ken Norton takes 2 of 3 from Muhammad Ali, history's perception of his greatness would be completely different. Throw in the razor-thin decision loss to Larry Holmes (who I certainly consider an ATG hevavyweight) which could easily have gone the other way, and Ken Norton might just be the unluckiest elite heavyweight ever.

Versus Louis? I see Norton winning most of the early rounds, but Joe gets to his questionable chin late, 10th round or later.

This is how I see it too. In addition to a good jab, and a strong right, Norton really hit Ali with some excellent body shots. I highly recommend watching Ali vs Norton I to see what Norton could do.

I tend to think Norton could do well vs Louis in the early rounds, unless Louis came out smoking like he did vs Schmeling in the second fight. Either way, I'd pick Louis to win via TKO. An upset is possible here, but not likely.

C. M. Clay II

10-25-2007, 02:32 PM

What?

Like it completely baffled the great Earnie Shavers?

Norton was shot against Shavers.:good

PhillyPhan69

10-25-2007, 03:43 PM

Norton is very under rated here! I believe Norton makes a competitive fight of this. Is he historically as good as Louis...heck NO!, but everytime hypotheticals come up we sway to extremes. Outside of Foreman and shavers no one made quick work of Norton, and excuse the blasphame but I don't have Louis in their power category. so i have no problem seeing ken hold his own early on. I personally see a close decision in favor of Louis, but giving Norton no chance to even be competitive, when Louis had competitive fights with less talented opponents than Norton would present, makes no sense to me.

Vockerman

10-25-2007, 09:30 PM

Louis is outboxed for about one and a half a round untill he catches Norton on the ropes and destroys him with a four punch combination. Norton gets up but from there on it's all Louis untill the referee stops the fight.

Ken Norton gave the best boxers he faced all kinds of hell - about the same as the best sluggers he faced gave him :think

Since Louis was a boxer/slugger it would be a hell of a match.

With Kenny winning right up until he got caught :(

We have seen this fight - the part of Joe Louis was played by Gerry Cooney and the part of Ken Norton was played by a shot Ken Norton....

So if we believe that what Cooney did to a shot Norton Louis could do to a prime Ken Norton - then we have this outcome.

On second thought that may not be stretching it too far after all...
:think

SteveO

10-25-2007, 09:32 PM

I was thinking about this today oddly.

I would take Louis by decision.

brooklyn1550

10-25-2007, 09:43 PM

Louis TKO7

apollack

10-26-2007, 02:42 AM

Most likely Louis by KO. BUT, Ken had a mean overhand right, so he'd have some chance to potentially make a fight of it and momentarily stagger or drop Joe. However, I see Louis dealing with what he had, sharpshooting Ken with rapier like jabs, and following with his devastating right, ripping uppercuts, and wicked combinations, which would have been too much for Norton.

jaywilton

11-01-2007, 04:20 AM

I'm not a Ken Norton fan.I think he froze when he fought a 'puncher'.He arguably won all three fights with Ali-and I think he clearly froze when he was destroyed by Earnie Schavers and George Foeman(and later by Gerry Cooney).Louis by kayo(I don't care what happened in the first Billy Conn fight).