View Full Version : Pavlik v Calzaghe .... Who wins ?
JOSEY WALES
06-09-2008, 06:29 PM
Mega fight , Who has the tools to prevail young Buck Kelly or Crafty old Joe whats the opinion down under ?
Marcus
06-09-2008, 10:45 PM
Pavlik by KO before 8.
I think Pav will carry his power up, and if B Hop can put Slappy on his ass, im sure Pavlik can.
I think Joe is a great fighter, fast hands and moves in and out nice and quick, but i dont see Pavlik covering up so Joe can slap him.
Yeah you can say Kessler was handed a boxing lesson, and even say Kessler and Pavlik fight kinda the same with the solid jab and right coming through.
But ill take Pavlik by KO due to him keeping the correct distance between him and Joe and hammering the one two, if it aint broke , dont fix it.
I say Joe wins this one. With Joe Pavlik wont have as much of a height advantage as he has had with other boxers.
Its gonna take something special to beat JC, and at this point in time Pavlik is not that something special quite yet....
Marcus
06-09-2008, 10:57 PM
Pavlik is 6"2 1/2 with a 75in reach.
Joe is 5"11 1/2 with a 73in reach.
Not dissin your post Hmmm, im just a big stats man :good
AussieMauler
06-09-2008, 11:17 PM
Calzaghe tasted Bernards power and decided it wasnt enough to frighten him....
not sure that the same will be said if Pavlik gets a piece early. Sticks and stones may broke my bones...BUT KELLY PAVLIK IS A FUCKING FREIGHT TRAIN...ok so my rhyming is a little off...
dont worry - I looked up those stats before I posted.
JC stance is very upright and will appear taller than the other fighters. The tallest person Pavlik has faced was Jermain Taylor who due to his stance will seem shorter than JC.
Pavliks stance is also quite upright.
Joe may well be over 6'
I pick Calzaghe but I think this fight makes sense now. Pavlik would be a live underdog.
Melbourneborn
06-09-2008, 11:49 PM
I'll take Pavlik - but, i dont think he'll stop JC. I think he'll dominate him with long 1-2's and pick up plenty of rounds.. but can't see him stopping JC.
ranser
06-10-2008, 12:31 AM
put it this way, kessler couldnt stop calzaghe, kessler is a big hitter, as big as pavlik, so i think calzaghe should win this.since he wasn't phased by kessler's power.
besides according to his own website he is 6 foot tall
Calzaghe by decision.
Pavlik isn't any better or worse then Kessler in my opinion.
Kegsy
06-10-2008, 03:57 AM
Pavlik by KO all the way.
I reckon after about 7 or 8 rounds Calzaghe goes down for good.
Rise Above
06-10-2008, 06:04 AM
Pavlik by KO imo. To much power and I think Calzaghe wasnt too impressive against B Hop. Would be a great fight though.
ashley
06-10-2008, 07:06 AM
I will tip Joe by close UD by way of great work rate....if Pavlik can catch him it may slow Joe down but then Joe got hit with 3 or 4 great shots from Kess and walked right through them.
IrnBruMan
06-10-2008, 07:10 AM
Apart from a few youtube clips I haven't seen much of Pavlik, and I must admit I get the feeling he's the latest US hype-job - obviously he has something going for him, but it's the almost desperate way the partisan US fans latched onto him that makes me wary.
I'd say Joe wins, even though I haven't seen a full Pavlik fight, based on his workrate, unorthodox style, and general fight experience - Pavlik's still coming along, whereas Calzaghe has been around for a long time.
ajay11
06-10-2008, 07:39 AM
Same result as Joe v Kessler.
Joe has to much talent in the ring + experience for a fighter like Pavlik.
The type of fighter that worries Calzaghe is the type that he stays away from, hand speed, agility, crafty ring skills, etc...
I said it before and I'll say it again, "Antonio Tarver would rip him to shreds"
Mundine (or a very similar type of fighter) would give him more problems than Pavlik. Anyone that can match or better his hand speed would force him to fight a different game.
A prime RJJ would have been a masacre. Joe wouldn't know what hit him, but then again that's a bit unfair as the same applies to most fighters.
He needs to fight Tarver before he wins me over. Pavlik needs to do a whole lot more to do the same. If he were to get wiped out next fight he would become yesterday's news very quickly.
Barrera_fan
06-10-2008, 07:55 AM
Too close to call, i'm sittin on the fence for this one.
Pavlik isn't anything Joe hasn't seen before, Pavlik walks forward in straight lines and Joe's angles may make it difficult for Pav to land too many but Joe doesn't have any power left anymore due to his fragile hands. JC also didn't look great against B-Hop. One thing though if Pavlik wins it's gonna have to be by KO as Joe's high workrate means he can tap his way to a points win if he can stay out of range.
ipswich express
06-10-2008, 08:49 AM
Calzaghe got caught coming in against Bernard and got nailed on the button. He wouldn't be coming in face first against Pavlik. I got the feeling watching the fight that Joe had very little respect for Hopkins' punching power. Pavlik will press the action with Joe's footwork and handspeed showing Pavlik something he's never seen before. It's rumoured in going to be in Wales, and if that's the case, Joe won't lose there.
JOSEY WALES
06-10-2008, 12:29 PM
Calzaghe got caught coming in against Bernard and got nailed on the button. He wouldn't be coming in face first against Pavlik. I got the feeling watching the fight that Joe had very little respect for Hopkins' punching power. Pavlik will press the action with Joe's footwork and handspeed showing Pavlik something he's never seen before. It's rumoured in going to be in Wales, and if that's the case, Joe won't lose there. You hit the nail on the head the with your first sentence ippy , Joe wasn't worried shit about Hopkins power and the old cunt taught him to respect it , Was Joe hurt ? Was he fuck , but if you are on your arse in the first round fighting a ledge like Hopkins in Vegas in front of three yank judges and a yank ref you change your plans rapidly lol , Joe tried responding in the best way he could of by trying to box the old cunt but as it turned out Hopkins didn't want any form of engagement . hence to piss poor spectacal we witnessed :deal against Pavlik he will know a brawl is out of the question and will probably revert to his old self and box pavlik to a UD , this would happen regardless of the venue Ippy .
ipswich express
06-10-2008, 12:32 PM
and will probably revert to his old self and box pavlik to a UD , this would happen regardless of the venue Ippy .
Mate I meant it more as a compliment for the intensity Joe appears to fight with in front of his countrymen, than a judging influence.
JOSEY WALES
06-10-2008, 12:54 PM
Mate I meant it more as a compliment for the intensity Joe appears to fight with in front of his countrymen, than a judging influence. :good Yep i know mate but some don't . Its true Calzaghe in Cardiff infront of 60,000 pissed up Taffies fights like the enigizer bunny lol . this fight will be one of the best made for yonkes . personaly i hope its held at MSG but im a selfish fucker at the best of times :lol:
ipswich express
06-10-2008, 01:18 PM
Cardiff Arms Park would be great, or so would MSG. One of my favourites though would also have to be at Yankee Stadium.
JOSEY WALES
06-10-2008, 01:33 PM
Cardiff Arms Park would be great, or so would MSG. One of my favourites though would also have to be at Yankee Stadium. Ive been to the first two mentioned Ippy but sadly never made it to Yankee stadium apparently they are pulling it down to make way for a new Stadium :huh
PedroDePacas
06-11-2008, 01:23 AM
Calzaghe got caught coming in against Bernard and got nailed on the button. He wouldn't be coming in face first against Pavlik. I got the feeling watching the fight that Joe had very little respect for Hopkins' punching power. Pavlik will press the action with Joe's footwork and handspeed showing Pavlik something he's never seen before. It's rumoured in going to be in Wales, and if that's the case, Joe won't lose there.
I agree with much of this but I'll still take Pavlik.
Clicked on this thread expecting it to be full of people saying Pavlik doesn't have a chance...
treva1977
06-14-2008, 06:13 PM
CALZAGHE WOULD WIN THIS UD BY A LARGE MARGIN
reason:the only way pavlik can win is by KO and he may even get his chance and still not be able to KO calzaghe.calzaghe has been caught by kessler and bernard clean ,and just shook it off.we all know calzaghe throws 100 punches around therefor winning largely on points.
pecks
06-14-2008, 06:55 PM
Calzaghe takes this fairly easily imo.
His angles and unorthodoz style would give the fairly stiff Pavlik fits. Pavlik hasn't showed that he can adapt yet.
The way I see it is that Pavlik's biggest strengths are fairly similar to Kessler's strengths, but Kessler's more superior in those areas than Pavlik is, and he's more mobile as well, which will make it even easier for calzaghe to tag him.
lozkin
06-14-2008, 07:43 PM
and if B Hop can put Slappy on his ass, im sure Pavlik can.
I dont buy this....Hopkins put Calzaghe down with a perfectly time counter...I dont think Pavlik has that technique in his armoury
Calzaghe takes this fairly easily imo.
His angles and unorthodoz style would give the fairly stiff Pavlik fits. Pavlik hasn't showed that he can adapt yet.
The way I see it is that Pavlik's biggest strengths are fairly similar to Kessler's strengths, but Kessler's more superior in those areas than Pavlik is, and he's more mobile as well, which will make it even easier for calzaghe to tag him.
Exatly:good
Calzaghe takes this fairly easily imo.
His angles and unorthodoz style would give the fairly stiff Pavlik fits. Pavlik hasn't showed that he can adapt yet.
The way I see it is that Pavlik's biggest strengths are fairly similar to Kessler's strengths, but Kessler's more superior in those areas than Pavlik is, and he's more mobile as well, which will make it even easier for calzaghe to tag him.
Yerp, exactly how I see it.
I think Kessler would beat Pavlik too.
Rick.
Kegsy
06-14-2008, 11:26 PM
I will actually go against the norm here....Pavlik will win this by KO.
Pavlik will walk right thru Calslappy, maybe thats why Calslappy is chicken.:yep
perfect jet
06-15-2008, 12:46 AM
Skimmed through the thread. Calzaghe will fight RJJ and looks like Pavlik v Mayorga or a mando against Rubio.
I hope they don't put Mayorga in with him. He will get his head knocked off.
ipswich express
06-15-2008, 01:12 AM
In many ways, it would make much more sense from a promoting point of view for Calzaghe to fight Jones first. Pavlik has a mandatory in Rubio that needs to be taken care of, which he will. It'll make for a super fight in early 09. I agree with you, Jet, Mayorga would get blasted by Pavlik. It would be a real beat down because he's got such a sturdy chin.
Fuck i love Mayorga but he will get seriously smashed in this fight.
If Pavlik goes hard at him it wont last 3 rds
ipswich express
06-15-2008, 06:06 AM
Here's an article by William Dettloff that sums up what I'm saying, in a much more articulate fashion :lol:
CALZAGHE-PAVLIK:
TOO MUCH OF A GOOD THING
By William Dettloff
Almost immediately following Kelly Pavlik’s easy win over one of the Little Rascals Saturday night—I forget which one—rumors and dates started flying around about a fight against Joe Calzaghe, possibly in October.
You’ll recall that Calzaghe’s team has been negotiating a fight with Roy Jones since Calzaghe’s win over Bernard Hopkins in April. Jones, apparently even this older, wiser, more accommodating (see: desperate) version, is notoriously difficult when it comes to these matters, so it’s no great surprise that things haven’t progressed.
Now it looks as though Pavlik, who has yet to establish his bona fides as “difficult,” may bump Jones from the picture. Many of you see this as a good thing. I do not. Calzaghe-Pavlik can be a big fight, or it can be a very big fight. Which one it turns out to be depends largely on when it happens.
I’ll concede that Calzaghe-Pavlik is more interesting than is Calzaghe-Jones, primarily because of Jones’ faded stature, which looks even grayer next to Pavlik’s striking (if balding) youth. But this one can simmer a little while. There’s no good reason not to do, say, Pavlik-Arthur Abraham and Calzaghe-Jones first—two very interesting fights—and then make Calzaghe-Pavlik next. Hell, put them on the same show if you want.
We’re not losing anything that way. If anything, we gain—two big, interesting fights followed by one very big, interesting one.
I realize Calzaghe’s age is a consideration here, and there have been so many big fights in the last year that we’ve gotten used to moving fast. Normally I’m all for that. Not this time. This one can and should cook for a little while.
pecks
06-15-2008, 06:26 AM
You've got to laugh at the general forum. Over the last week or so, I've read the following...
*It's taken Pavlik one year to do what it took Calzaghe 11 to do, and thats beat 3 top fighters.
*Zuniga is comparable to the best guys that Calzaghe has on his resume.
:lol: Zuniga FFS!
It's no use explaining styles or anything to them either, because as far as they're concerned, Pavlik's a monster of a puncher with a big workrate, which makes him unstoppable. USA!!
Kegsy
06-15-2008, 06:36 AM
You've got to laugh at the general forum. Over the last week or so, I've read the following...
*It's taken Pavlik one year to do what it took Calzaghe 11 to do, and thats beat 3 top fighters.
*Zuniga is comparable to the best guys that Calzaghe has on his resume.
:lol: Zuniga FFS!
It's no use explaining styles or anything to them either, because as far as they're concerned, Pavlik's a monster of a puncher with a big workrate, which makes him unstoppable. USA!!
Zuniga is a solid opponent & borderline top 10, definitely top 15 at Super Middleweight.
Tho i wont go as far as some guys on the general forum.:yep
ipswich express
06-15-2008, 06:46 AM
Let's face it, the US' grip on boxing is fading dramatically in comparison to the past and they'll be jumping on anything with a few decent performances. Arum thinks Pavlik would beat Hagler FFS!
You've got to laugh at the general forum. Over the last week or so, I've read the following...
*It's taken Pavlik one year to do what it took Calzaghe 11 to do, and thats beat 3 top fighters.
*Zuniga is comparable to the best guys that Calzaghe has on his resume.
:lol: Zuniga FFS!
It's no use explaining styles or anything to them either, because as far as they're concerned, Pavlik's a monster of a puncher with a big workrate, which makes him unstoppable. USA!!Realizm quotes :lol::lol::lol::lol:
roscoe
06-15-2008, 08:02 AM
Joe wants roy plain & simple
Rise Above
06-15-2008, 09:09 AM
Arum thinks Pavlik would beat Hagler FFS!
:patsch
jamel
06-15-2008, 11:01 AM
In many ways, it would make much more sense from a promoting point of view for Calzaghe to fight Jones first. Pavlik has a mandatory in Rubio that needs to be taken care of, which he will. It'll make for a super fight in early 09. I agree with you, Jet, Mayorga would get blasted by Pavlik. It would be a real beat down because he's got such a sturdy chin. I don't think Rubio is a mandatory.
ipswich express
06-15-2008, 12:04 PM
Yeah my bad, Lockett was his WBO mandatory. I was thinking Rubio was his WBC one.
ipswich express
06-15-2008, 12:28 PM
I see that Kessler has called out Pavlik, should he get past the challenge of Sartison. This is translated, but you get the jist: [Only registered and activated users can see links]
Either way, throwing in Abraham and Miranda, there's some great fights to be made.
dannymoo99
06-15-2008, 12:35 PM
Kessler would beat Pavlik and Calzaghe would take Pavlik apart...wide UD.
pecks
06-15-2008, 12:47 PM
Kessler would beat Pavlik and Calzaghe would take Pavlik apart...wide UD.I'd tip Kessler to beat Pavlik more comprehensively than Calzaghe would.
dannymoo99
06-15-2008, 12:52 PM
I'd tip Kessler to beat Pavlik more comprehensively than Calzaghe would.
Yeah maybe right, kessler would probably knock Pavlik out, whereas Joe would out work him over the distance.
ajay11
06-15-2008, 09:18 PM
Kessler's a big boy and is bulkier than Pavlik. Anyone that fights Kessler needs to have good speed and agility or else he'll wipe them out, as he did to Beyer, Siaca and Lucus.
Even then only half the problem's solved, as we saw with Mundine who had the agility and leg speed to avoid being taken out, the hand speed to land punches, but not the power to do the damage required to halt Kessler rolling forward and dictating the fight. In fact Kessler's power made Mundine reluctant to throw combinations which ended up being the difference between Mundine losing to Kessler and Calzaghe beating the Dane.
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