PAC all time top 10...If he beat Hatton

[retriever]

PAC all time top 15 P4P...If he beat Diaz at 135 and Hatton at 140. Agree?



Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao
130 Reigning WBC Super Featherweight Champion
Reigning RING Super Featherweight Champion
126 People's Featherweight Champion, 2003 - 2005
122 IBF Super Bantamweight Champion, 2001 - 2004
112 WBC Flyweight Champion, 1998 - 1999
51 Fights
46 Wins (34 by way of Knockout), 3 Loses, 2 Draws

Pac started at 106:admin

[hellblazer]

Top 35 - 40 only

[Imperial1]

Top 35 - 40 only

I'd move him above 35 maybe in the top 20 ..But starting at 106 come on thats the epitome of p4p !!

[cardstars]

Well if he moves up to 147 and KO's Cotto then he might just be #1 ATG

[J_Roth]

It would be hard for him not to be mentioned P4P in all time match ups. You can't deny him if he makes it happen.

[hellblazer]

Well if he moves up to 147 and KO's Cotto then he might just be #1 ATG

if he moves up to 147 and K.O's PBF then he's the #1 ATG :yep

[acb]

No.

[JM22]

He should fight the top 135 first before going up.not just fight Diaz BUM

[CJLightweight]

PAC all time top 15 P4P...If he beat Diaz at 135 and Hatton at 140. Agree?



Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao
130 Reigning WBC Super Featherweight Champion
Reigning RING Super Featherweight Champion
126 People's Featherweight Champion, 2003 - 2005
122 IBF Super Bantamweight Champion, 2001 - 2004
112 WBC Flyweight Champion, 1998 - 1999
51 Fights
46 Wins (34 by way of Knockout), 3 Loses, 2 Draws

Pac started at 106:admin

top 15? are you nuts:shock: care to show me your all time list?

[Hatesrats]

WTF?
Chill with the ATG shit already....
If you mean of Asian decent, Then maybe.
he is defo the Greatest fighter from the Phillipins hands down.

[Dirty Bastard]

Pac was not very good at the lower weights. He got KO'd and handled by B grade fighters. He became an elite at around 125 - 130lbs. He lost to an past it Morales, and beaten twice by Marquez on my scorecards (and most of the world also) in two very close fights.

Diaz lost (but got the decision) against Morales, and Hatton almost (saved by his shoelaces and ref) got KO'd by an average fighter in his last fight and looking very bad. Seems Pac (Arum) is picking his opponents wisely, but that doesn't make him an ATG top 10, but to each his own.

In my book, Pac is a great fighter, but a notch below the real elites in the lighter weight divisions in their primes.

Perfectly Said,

Cannot agree more!

[johnco]

Pac was not very good at the lower weights. He got KO'd and handled by B grade fighters. He became an elite at around 125 - 130lbs. He lost to an past it Morales, and beaten twice by Marquez on my scorecards (and most of the world also) in two very close fights.

Diaz lost (but got the decision) against Morales, and Hatton almost (saved by his shoelaces and ref) got KO'd by an average fighter in his last fight and looking very bad. Seems Pac (Arum) is picking his opponents wisely, but that doesn't make him an ATG top 10, but to each his own.

In my book, Pac is a great fighter, but a notch below the real elites in the lighter weight divisions in their primes.

PACTERON is getting jealous :lol: :lol: :lol:

give it up all black.. :smoke
your boy jmm kissed the camvass 4 times. he could not be given the nod if he kept on kissing that floor in a close fight. trust me ;)

again, he lost to em due to head butt. that win is nothing special for em, you dont brag victory against a 1 eyed fighter. :yep

diaz and hatton are champions. you are too early again in discrediting these two fighters and too early for crying. another typical pacteron excuse just to nullify pacs greatness by discrediting his foes :roll:

i know pacteron it is sickening to the stomach... but pac will be in the top with your jealousy and anger making you sick to accept the truth. ;)

[thanosone]

PACTERON is getting jealous :lol: :lol: :lol:

give it up all black.. :smoke
your boy jmm kissed the camvass 4 times. he could not be given the nod if he kept on kissing that floor in a close fight. trust me ;)

again, he lost to em due to head butt. that win is nothing special for em, you dont brag victory against a 1 eyed fighter. :yep

diaz and hatton are champions. you are too early again in discrediting these two fighters and too early for crying. another typical pacteron excuse just to nullify pacs greatness by discrediting his foes :roll:

i know pacteron it is sickening to the stomach... but pac will be in the top with your jealousy and anger making you sick to accept the truth. ;) You're a joke. The Morales that Paq beat was washed up. The headbutt Paq gave JMM to save his ass in the second fight was intentional. The headbutt between Morales and Paq was not. Manny Paq will never crack the top 50 on any p4p list. He beat Barrera, beat an old Morales, lost to JMM twice, and lost once to an old Morales.

[Rock0052]

Top 35 - 40 only

As if only making it that high were nothing special :lol:. I know you didn't mean it that way man, it's just funny when people say "only" after a ranking that's still pretty damned impressive no matter how you cut it.

[saul_ir34]

HMMM no. You have to beat more than old legends to become one.

He really takes that saying to heart. "You have to beat a legend to become a legend".

Someone should tell Pac that just meant one not make a career out of it...

If he wants to move up higher in the ATG list then he should face someone who is in his prime and kicking ass as we speak. Not guys who used to kick ass 3 years prior to them fighting. How about Guzman who is calling him out. Soto. Campbell and Casamayor who are old but not battleworn like Morales and Barrera. Even a Valero would be a better win for him than Diaz.

Hatton even though he is weight classes above Pac has been fighting like shit lately and was way overrated to begin with.

[stevexx28]

ill call him p4p when he gets extremely muscular and eventually goes to heavyweight, beating diaz,hatton,floyd,pavlik,calzaghe,and haye on the way, and ending his journey with a UD over peter and a straight left KO over Wlad. :lol: LOL jp but itll really be something if he can beat hatton.

[johnco]

The thing is, Pac has bad losses at the lower weights. Imagine if Floyd drained to 120 and went 10W - 3L, getting KO'd twice. Does that add to his p4p status? :lol:

seems you keep on having orgasms about pacs two losses that happened when the dinosaurs roamed the world..... let me give you another booster seems your IQ is failing again ... :good because for sure, as a pacteron like you, you didnt follow pacs career closely not till today when pac is currently making you a pacteron.... :yep

let me give you an insight about those losses.

"Manny Pacquiao, sometimes simply known as Pacman, began his career in 1995, at age 16. He won his first couple of fights, before bumping into Rustico Torrecampo ([Only registered and activated users can see links]), who scored a third-round KO ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) over Pacquiao, but the replay clearly showed that Torrecampo hit Manny below the belt."
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"Sometimes, though, he lacked focus or got careless. In his first five years, he lost twice. In his 12th fight, he was trailing fellow Filipino Rustico Torrecampo in Round 3 when Torrecampo knocked Pacquiao down and out -- in a collision that seemed to combine a low blow and a head butt "
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:nono :nono :tong :tong :hey :hey

and the singruat fight.. damn pac lost already that fight even before the bell rang. :huh

"Pacquiao fails to make weight and lost his WBC ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) Flyweight title at the weigh-in"
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:nono :nono :tong :tong :hey :hey

pretty sure that sums it up. well a loss is a loss. nothing we can do about it. but it is your only mini solace just to battle your depression and get back at pac and us :lol: :lol: i dont blame you for that ;)

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[pelican]

HMMM no. You have to beat more than old legends to become one.

He really takes that saying to heart. "You have to beat a legend to become a legend".

Someone should tell Pac that just meant one not make a career out of it...

If he wants to move up higher in the ATG list then he should face someone who is in his prime and kicking ass as we speak. Not guys who used to kick ass 3 years prior to them fighting. How about Guzman who is calling him out. Soto. Campbell and Casamayor who are old but not battleworn like Morales and Barrera. Even a Valero would be a better win for him than Diaz.

Hatton even though he is weight classes above Pac has been fighting like shit lately and was way overrated to begin with.
lol! youre a hater. give the man his due. he beat a prime barrera in 2003, morales was still a force to reckon with in their second meeting, and he beat jmm twice.

[johnco]

You're a joke. The Morales that Paq beat was washed up. The headbutt Paq gave JMM to save his ass in the second fight was intentional. The headbutt between Morales and Paq was not. Manny Paq will never crack the top 50 on any p4p list. He beat Barrera, beat an old Morales, lost to JMM twice, and lost once to an old Morales.

you are a clown.. :good :good

pac lost to jmm twice :yikes :yikes maybe you watched mexican cable operated by jmms friends during those fights :!:

old morales.. last time i check em was 20 something. :yep :yep

too many pacterons. :bart

[johnco]

HMMM no. You have to beat more than old legends to become one.

He really takes that saying to heart. "You have to beat a legend to become a legend".

Someone should tell Pac that just meant one not make a career out of it...

If he wants to move up higher in the ATG list then he should face someone who is in his prime and kicking ass as we speak. Not guys who used to kick ass 3 years prior to them fighting. How about Guzman who is calling him out. Soto. Campbell and Casamayor who are old but not battleworn like Morales and Barrera. Even a Valero would be a better win for him than Diaz.

Hatton even though he is weight classes above Pac has been fighting like shit lately and was way overrated to begin with.

guzrun?? :!:
soto? whats with soto?? you are trying to feed pac an old steak that is overhyped.. :!:
now suddenly a battle worn em and mab.. last time i checked pac is also battle worn when he fought those guys :!:

NOW this makes it interesting. HATTON is suddenly "like shit lately and was overrated to begin with" :lol: :lol: :lol: :patsch too early for your excuse for hatton my amigo. last time i checked this forum, pac will not go past 4 rounds against hatton. asked KG :yep :yep now when we discuss pacs all time greatness status suddenly hatton is overrated and mab and em was battleworn......

what a reversal of fortune huh :!: :!: :rofl :rofl

[psychopath]

Easily top 20 . . . top 10? Very debatable.

[o_money]

Yeah that would be one pretty god dam impressive resume. I'd definitely have to think long and hard about where to put him....I'd say that I'd probably put him in the top 30-20. But I'd have to wait and see how I felt about how he won and other stuff like that.

[jecxbox]

Pac was not very good at the lower weights. He got KO'd and handled by B grade fighters. He became an elite at around 125 - 130lbs. He lost to an past it Morales, and beaten twice by Marquez on my scorecards (and most of the world also) in two very close fights.

Diaz lost (but got the decision) against Morales, and Hatton almost (saved by his shoelaces and ref) got KO'd by an average fighter in his last fight and looking very bad. Seems Pac (Arum) is picking his opponents wisely, but that doesn't make him an ATG top 10, but to each his own.

In my book, Pac is a great fighter, but a notch below the real elites in the lighter weight divisions in their primes.


Why do people scrutinize a professional boxers career? Jesus Christ you can do that to every boxer. Do you want to give Pacquiao some credit for choosing the path of MOST resistance, back to back to back to back HARD ASS fights, WITHOUT BREAK. The man is fearless, If you want to nitpick a fighters career, please do it to a heartless prick that runs from everyone. But NOT Pacquiao :patsch. I'm not even a BIG fan of Pacquiao, but people who wanna do this to Pacquiao = :patsch

[o_money]

A win over Hatton would be very impressive. Irrigardless of the way he looked at two points in an otherwise dominant preformance Hatton is still a force. And if you want to make the arguement that Hatton's brawling style and battles with the scale has made him shop worn and not make the same or similar arguements with respect to manny then your a hipocrate. Everyone knows that he is not prime or is nearing th end as well (maybe not to the same extend) but add in the natural weight advantages for Hatton and a Win over Hatton would be extremely impressive.

Also: jecxbox, ^, couldn't agree more:good Pick on bitches not a balls out warrior.

[McGrain]

Pac gets more credit at the higher weights than the lower weights, because he is better at the higher weights...this complicats the p4p argument somewhat.

If he KO's Hatton, then he does leave the stratosphere, he's off into orbit. But to be top 15 all time, he has to move above guys like Barbados Joe Walcott, who KO'd HW's from featherweight, Roy Jones, who has shown some of thebest skills in the pay-per-view era and Joe Louis who is one of the most dominant champions in the hisotry of the sport. So let's not be hasty.

[PaddyD1983]

Top 40-45. I dont think a loss to Hatton would affect this but a win would move him up slightly (ie top 35-40).

[TommyV]

No. Top 30 probably.

[boxbox]

i see some still try to discredit Pac's accomplishments. tsk tsk! Just face it, He has come a long way being what you call "a 1-dimensional fighter", hard to believe i would agree. But it happened!!!

[CJLightweight]

i am a pac fan but i think top ten is too much...and possibly a joke assuming your only basis is hatton.

Theres a lot of great fighters all time and i hope lets not also forget what they accomplished

[RealIzm]

Hatton is not much of a prize
and who wants to see hook, hold.....hook, hold......hook, hold......over and over again until real boxing fans want to stab their eyes out?
I don't, Hatton should join MMA or WWE which suits his unskilled fighting(wrestling) style well

[Silvermags]

You're a joke. The Morales that Paq beat was washed up. The headbutt Paq gave JMM to save his ass in the second fight was intentional. The headbutt between Morales and Paq was not. Manny Paq will never crack the top 50 on any p4p list. He beat Barrera, beat an old Morales, lost to JMM twice, and lost once to an old Morales.

Oh I see! You are basically the 4TH CLOWN i know! JMM beating pac 2x's :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'll try to recall the other clowns who said the same... up to know they can't PROVE it! Probably they are still in DREAMLAND!!!! :rofl

[Silvermags]

BY the way, the so called ONE DIMENSIONAL fighter is now #1 p4p :party :mj and now working his way to top 25 ATG!!!! For all pac haters !!!!:vonnecunt :fuckoff :smh

[puga_ni_nana]

Pac was not very good at the lower weights. He got KO'd and handled by B grade fighters. He became an elite at around 125 - 130lbs. He lost to an past it Morales, and beaten twice by Marquez on my scorecards (and most of the world also) in two very close fights.

Diaz lost (but got the decision) against Morales, and Hatton almost (saved by his shoelaces and ref) got KO'd by an average fighter in his last fight and looking very bad. Seems Pac (Arum) is picking his opponents wisely, but that doesn't make him an ATG top 10, but to each his own.

In my book, Pac is a great fighter, but a notch below the real elites in the lighter weight divisions in their primes.


if he is not a very good fighter at the lower weights, can you explain how the hell he became a world champion at age 19 beating the thai champ sasakul who's only loss at that time was from the lineal champ arbachakov but subsequently beaten him.

[jupzrooni]

if he is not a very good fighter at the lower weights, can you explain how the hell he became a world champion at age 19 beating the thai champ sasakul who's only loss at that time was from the lineal champ arbachakov but subsequently beaten him.

the guy would not understand that.. he's a blind hater and he doesn't even know how good arbachakov and sasakul is... he only knew pac after he beat barrera

[Caper]

Top 35 possibly. Which is a great accomplishment.

[fitzgeraldz]

Maybe he is an ATG fighter ...

[fitzgeraldz]

No but he's good enough to be in the Hall of Fame and consideration as one of the best little guys ...

[Godfather]

If he beats both Diaz and Hatton uncontroversially then he has to be in all time top 20. To get near the top 10 i reckon he has to fight Marquez a third time and beat him by UD or better whilst also beating Diaz and Hatton

[CJLightweight]

If he beats both Diaz and Hatton uncontroversially then he has to be in all time top 20. To get near the top 10 i reckon he has to fight Marquez a third time and beat him by UD or better whilst also beating Diaz and Hatton

even if he beats hatton convincingly i don't think i'd put him anywhere top 20, i'm a pac fan but simply put there are just too many other all time great fighters out there..

[Addie]

Hell no.

He lost to Juan Manuel Marquez twice, and to a shot Morales.

[johnco]

Hell no.

He lost to Juan Manuel Marquez twice, and to a shot Morales.

another depressed pacteron who needs prozac and psychiatric counselling... :lol: :lol:

stop crying man. jmm kissed the canvass 4 times and em won courtesy of a 1 eyed pac. :rofl :rofl :rofl :deal

[Rock0052]

Hell no.

He lost to Juan Manuel Marquez twice, and to a shot Morales.

Putting the hater comments aside, I'll argue with even using that logic.

On nearly every all time P4P list I see, nearly the entire top 25 have lost at some point or another. Punishing fighters for losses the way fans do now seems to be a relatively new thing.

Then, on the flip side, fighters get punished in rankings for going undefeated because that leads people to dis their competition- after all, nobody who's fought great comp can possibly never lose. In fact, losing appears to validate how good the fighters were because when, say, Joe Frazier beat Muhammad Ali, that then validates how impressive Ali beating Joe was because he beat a guy good enough to beat him. Then the cycle goes on and on. I firmly believe that if Ali had never lost until the end of his career, people wouldn't have thought the 70's heavyweights were the best ever the way they do now, for example, but that's another argument for another day.

Bottom line is, if people don't like a certain fighter, there's gonna be a way for them to bash him.

[Silvermags]

Hell no.

He lost to Juan Manuel Marquez twice, and to a shot Morales.

oH! Found (5th)another CLOWN here! I thought CLOWNS are suppose to be in the CIRCUS only!

PROVE what you are claiming! otherwise you are a CERTIFIED CLOWN!!!!:lol:

[angelos]

Definitely! 5 World Titles in different weight category is unheard of in Lower weight fighters. Say what you will about Pac but that accomplishment is amazing.

[Spitbucket]

BY the way, the so called ONE DIMENSIONAL fighter is now #1 p4p :party :mj and now working his way to top 25 ATG!!!! For all pac haters !!!!:vonnecunt :fuckoff :smh



guzrun?? :!:
soto? whats with soto?? you are trying to feed pac an old steak that is overhyped.. :!:
now suddenly a battle worn em and mab.. last time i checked pac is also battle worn when he fought those guys :!:

NOW this makes it interesting. HATTON is suddenly "like shit lately and was overrated to begin with" :lol: :lol: :lol: :patsch too early for your excuse for hatton my amigo. last time i checked this forum, pac will not go past 4 rounds against hatton. asked KG :yep :yep now when we discuss pacs all time greatness status suddenly hatton is overrated and mab and em was battleworn......

what a reversal of fortune huh :!: :!: :rofl :rofl


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