St. Pierre vs. Koscheck

[BewareofDawg]

I need some expert analysis and predictions.

I don't see how Kos can win this fight and predict a second round submission victory for St. Pierre, if he doesn't KO him standing.

[bigG]

gsp should handle koschek, that said, josh is an extremely proficient wrestler.....i just dont think he has the sheer athleticism to beat gsp.....i can actually see this being an extremely technichal fight that only real mma fans will appreciate....

[Olz15]

GSP, i think after a few big exhanges, gsp puts Kos on his back and punds him out

[Beebs]

If Kos sticks with his game, and doesn't get thrown by big fight jitters, I think he takes it, either by decsision or late stopage.

[Koa]

Kos may be the better wrestler, I'd be willing to bet GSP is better at the sub game though. I also think that if Koschek tries throwing Haymakers he will be countered. He throws them extremely wide, pretty fast but should be pretty easy to counter punch him.

[Beebs]

Kos stopping anyone of note is a funny notion, Kos couldn't stop at a red light, he certainly isn't stopping GSP. The only way he wins is by Lay n pray, and I seriously doubt he can do that on someone who made mincemeat out of both Sherk and Hughes and stopped both of their takedowns repeatedly and took them down. I think the wrestling and strength is actually pretty close, with GSP taking everything else.

When was the last time Matt Serra stopped anybody of note? Until GSP...never.

[Beebs]

I knew this was coming. Everyone's new excuse for their guy beating GSP is "If Serra can do it, anyone can". It's not very likely that happens again. That was a freak fluke, look at who GSP has beaten in dominating fashion and look who he lost to. That mess isn't happening again.

It's just as ridiculous as thinking that Koshcheck can't stop anybody.

[Olz15]

It's just as ridiculous as thinking that Koshcheck can't stop anybody.
so Kos can land a lucky big shot like serra is all your saying?

[AJAX]

Gsp handled Hughes and Sherk easily so I don't think Kos should give him too much trouble, but Kos is tough to beat so it's no gimmee

[Beebs]

so Kos can land a lucky big shot like serra is all your saying?

I'm saying I think he can take him down and eventually get to mount and pound him out.

[bobnweeve]

whoa by you saying it was a fluke is kind of crazy. now im a HUGE gsp fan and i think more of him and matt serra to say he lost his belt due to a fluke even if he didnt say it was a fluke. he didnt get hit with 1 haymaker or a punch he didnt see coming he was tentative b/c matt is a bjj black belt givin to him by the gracies he was one of the first americans to get one so gsp wanted none of him on the ground. now do you think he wants any of josh on the ground a 3 time national champ? now if he stays circling throwing leg kicks and punch combos then he will dominate like he did against matt hughes. but if you think josh has no chance then your wrong. oh yea you cant compare josh to matt as matt has WAAAAY more experience than josh so the bright lights were nothing to him.

[bobnweeve]

fisrt off id like you to name 1 fighter with better bjj than serra that gsp has submitted, not a few but 1. and i mean black belt givin to him by a reputable bjj cahmpion. (ill wait on that one)

second i never said bjj and wrestleing of any sort are the same. my only comparison is to the fact that one is a black belt and 1 is a national champ. both have reached about the highest level of succes they can @ their respected dicipline, am i wrong? no, so that comparison stands true.

you can also make the same conclusion as to why he wouldnt want to hit the ground with kos. hell he's a 3 time champ. he didnt want to hit the ground with serra, hell look who gave him his belt a legend. now tell me where my comparing the two was so wrong you had to stress it twice?

if i dont wanna stand up with a mui tai fighter and i dont wanna stand up with a boxer then hell i just dont wanna stand with either, not saying there the same.

oh yea while your quoting me quote the part where is say this "YOU CANT COMPARE JOSH TO MATT".

PS. ill be wating for your list of black belts he submitted. hell check sherdog and tell me 2 who are better than serra that he just beat not even submitted. then tell me how many d-1, two or three time national champs hes beat. and i like rush as a fighter but im realisic. hes no where near as good on the ground as either kos or serra, and their credentials prove it. now all around gsp by far and do i think if gsp and the terra fought 4 more time gsp would win all 4 , yes.

[bobnweeve]

You say he didn't want any of Serra on the ground yet I give you names of guys just as good or better on the ground than Serra that GSP handled. Also, what does Koshceck being a wrestling champ have to do with ground skills? BJJ and wrestling are NOTHING alike, GSP has handled just as good wrestlers as Kos(or nearly as good) before, there is no reason for him to fear the ground, especially being as all Kos does is lay n pray.



that was your statement right there. so im waiting. if there better than they "must be at least purple belts. and if there better than josh then they must have at least won 2 national titles at a division 1 school.

now can you tell me where i said he didnt want to take hughes to the ground. the matt were all talking about is serra right?

[bobnweeve]

oh yea , how small was bj. and thats just a take down. bjj pull guard so a take down aint shit if your guard is tight. bj would rather be on his back so your comparison makes no sense here. and i mean no offense

[Olz15]

You say he didn't want any of Serra on the ground yet I give you names of guys just as good or better on the ground than Serra that GSP handled. Also, what does Koshceck being a wrestling champ have to do with ground skills? BJJ and wrestling are NOTHING alike, GSP has handled just as good wrestlers as Kos(or nearly as good) before, there is no reason for him to fear the ground, especially being as all Kos does is lay n pray.



that was your statement right there. so im waiting. if there better than they "must be at least purple belts. and if there better than josh then they must have at least won 2 national titles at a division 1 school.

now can you tell me where i said he didnt want to take hughes to the ground. the matt were all talking about is serra right?he took the fight to the ground against BJ, there is your excellent ground fighter

[bobnweeve]

once again how small was bj penn? did he move up in weight? was it a split decision that had his face messed up? was it a hard fight for him? did he "handle" him on the ground, now think about that and how hard of a time he had with a waay samaller fighter. yea he won but it was a split decision and a close fight. hell he took more damage on top than bj did. are yall serious

[bobnweeve]

penn you get, hughes no way, kayro no way on the straight up ground, sherk in his dreams so please try again. and once again how small was bj?

[bobnweeve]

and bj showed that in their fight or he was a better stand up fighter. now i know bj is but just because you can take someone down doesnt mean your better than them. hell ill stick with gsp getting the worst of the ground game against penn, and all that damage wont done in 1 rnd it was a good fight. hughes and sherk better all around but not ground game. sherk showed shit vs. hermes other than he can pass a guard and he is stockey as hell or shall i say a roided up power lifter so he gets no love.
karo is also in my top 5 favs with rampage gsp fedor and gomi but just the ground no way all around light years but were talking ground. and i know there is more to it than submissions that why i said josh is better than hughes sherk and karo(look at what deigo did). i guess we can both supprot gsp but go about it different. ill be hoping he defends take downs and has a smrt fight and you can think its a cake walk.

[Beebs]

penn you get, hughes no way, kayro no way on the straight up ground, sherk in his dreams so please try again. and once again how small was bj?

Karo already outgrappled him in an MMA match, and that is what we are talking about right? Plus I feel Hughes would beat Serra in a sub grappling match, Hughes did a good job at ADCC in 2000, and that was before his BJJ got up to where it was now and he was in a higher weightclass. I am even more confident he will be better on the ground in MMA, and we will all have a chance to see if that is correct pretty soon.

[Koa]

I don't think many could out grapple Karo in the first place. Judoka's, good ones are great at taking advantage of opponents strength and using it against opponents while utilizing great balance and technique, leverage at the same time. Most wrestlers start off as strength and power guys who work on their agility and leverage, while most bjj practitioners are guys with great agility and leverage who need to work on their strength.

Thing about Kos is he already has great athleticism and strength, he seemed to lack subs but has come a long way. St. Pierre is just as athletic as Kos, seems to be just as strong so they theoretically should be quite evenly matched on the ground.. Key differences between the two are striking and experience which I give to St. Pierre.

BTW, we havent seen Kos' chin yet.. He might be one of those guys with a granite skull, has yet to be seen? He might not have a beard at all.. St. Pierre is an extremely good striker, at his best he seems to be one of the most well rounded fighters around. At his worst he seems to lack a little on the mental sharpness.

[Wilhelm]

Serra is just as small as BJ, and I named 3 other fighters as well. He took damage from the first round, not the next two, where he pretty much handled BJ.

Yeah, that was a weird fight. I don't think BJ did much to St. Pierre after the first minute of the first round, but he sure looked fucked up from it.

But yeah, he won the next two rounds for sure.

[Dostoevsky]

Serra = 5'6
BJ = 5'9

[oblate]

I actually think koshcheck has a really good chance. Kos has improved his stand up game nicely and is an excellent wrestler. I think theres a good chance that he will be able to score takedowns and win a decision.

[RUSKULL]

Josh seems to have improved a bit but I'll still take GSP, probably aref stoppage due to severe ground & pound after Josh is a bloody mess.