Fighers who within three fights can POSSIBLY bacome a top 10 atg...

[Illmatic]

Holyfield: with wins over winner of Ibragimov/Chagaev, Peter and Wlad.

Mayweather: with wins over Hatton (at 140), Mosley (at 147) and Cotto (at 147)

Pacquaio: with wins over Barrera, Marquez, and hmmm....Chris JOhn?

[brooklyn1550]

Good question...
HOLYFIELD: Chagaev/Ibragimov, Maskaev/Peter, Klitschko
HOPKINS: Wright, Calzaghe/Kessler, Dawson

[Illmatic]

b-hop - wins over winky, jarmaine taylor, rjj, and calzaghe

pbf -
hatton, mosley, cotto (maybe)

i dont think pacqiou can become an atg in 3 fights

if holyfield comes back and beats out the heavyweight division of course i'll give him props. and might even be mentioned as top 10 atg because of his legacy.

I think pacquaio already is an atg.

but with Hopkins, I think he would need to beat:

Wright, Calzaghe, Mormeck....and he would probably be top 5 actually

[Drew101]

Winky Wright- Hopkins, Calzaghe, and Taylor would likely earn him ATG status.

[TBooze]

Holyfield: with wins over winner of Ibragimov/Chagaev, Peter and Wlad.

Mayweather: with wins over Hatton (at 140), Mosley (at 147) and Cotto (at 147)

Pacquaio: with wins over Barrera, Marquez, and hmmm....Chris JOhn?

LOL

The closes active fighter is Oscar de la Hoya and unless he beats Mayweather in a rematch then beats the winner of Hopkins/Wright he is not going to get to Valhalla.

Holyfield is simply not going to do it, unless he does a Foreman and retires; then 17 years later at the age of 60/61 wins the Heavyweight Championship of the World.

Mayweather is struggling to break into the top 50 all-time at the moment.

Paciquao has probably cracked the top 100 and is trying to sneak into the top 50...

[Illmatic]

LOL

The closes active fighter is Oscar de la Hoya and unless he beats Mayweather in a rematch then beats the winner of Hopkins/Wright he is not going to get to Valhalla.

Holyfield is simply not going to do it, unless he does a Foreman and retires; then 17 years later at the age of 60/61 wins the Heavyweight Championship of the World.

Mayweather is struggling to break into the top 50 all-time at the moment.

Paciquao has probably cracked the top 100 and is trying to sneak into the top 50...

Name 25 fighters who have accomplished more than mayweather

[TBooze]

Name 25 fighters who have accomplished more than mayweather

I will give you 35...;)

35 Roy Jones
34 George Foreman
33 Joe Gans
32 Ruben Olivares
31 Thomas Hearns
30 Marvin Hagler
29 Joe Louis
28 Gene Tunney
27 George Dixon
26 Eder Jofre
25 Carlos Zarate
24 Alexis Arguello
23 Pernell Whitaker
22 Oscar de la Hoya
21 Pancho Villa
20 Bob Fitzsimmons
19 Stanley Ketchel
18 Harry Grebb
17 Ezzard Charles
16 Benny Leonard
15 Julio Cesar Chavez
14 Mickey Walker
13 Ray Leonard
12 Carlos Monzon
11 Muhammad Ali
10 Charley Burley
9 Sammy Langford
8 Archie Moore
7 Jimmy Wilde
6 Willie Pep
5 Sandy Sadler
4 Georges Carpentier
3 Roberto Duran
2 Henry Armstrong
1 Ray Robinson

[brooklyn1550]

Name 25 fighters who have accomplished more than mayweather

Sugar Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
Willie Pep
Harry Greb
Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Benny Leonard
Roberto Duran
Archie Moore
Sugar Ray Leonard
Sam Langford
Ezzard Charles
Joe Gans
Mickey Walker
Tony Canzoneri
Jack Johnson
Barney Ross
Marvin Hagler
Carlos Monzon
Emile Griffith
Pernell Whitaker
Gene Tunney
Eder Jofre
Jose Napoles
Jimmy McLarnin
Julio Cesar Chavez
Thomas Hearns
Jack Dempsey
Jimmy Wilde
Roy Jones, Jr.
Bernard Hopkins
Salvador Sanchez
Stanley Ketchel
Ruben Olivares
Tommy Loughran
Terry McGovern

[Slothrop]

Holyfield has been there for years.

[DoumB]

Name 25 fighters who have accomplished more than mayweather

u kidding right?

[Asterion]

Mayweather: Hatton, Cotto and Mosley or Williams.

Hopkins: Wright, Erdei, Ibragimov/Chageav winner

[Illmatic]

I will give you 35...;)

35 Roy Jones - maybe
34 George Foreman - probably
33 Joe Gans - absolutely not
32 Ruben Olivares - are you out of your mind?
31 Thomas Hearns - yeah, hes probably greater
30 Marvin Hagler - no
29 Joe Louis - yes
28 Gene Tunney -yes
27 George Dixon - absolutely not
26 Eder Jofre -absolutely not, mayweather couldve done the same by staying at his lowest weight
25 Carlos Zarate
24 Alexis Arguello
23 Pernell Whitaker
22 Oscar de la Hoya
21 Pancho Villa
20 Bob Fitzsimmons
19 Stanley Ketchel
18 Harry Grebb
17 Ezzard Charles
16 Benny Leonard
15 Julio Cesar Chavez
14 Mickey Walker
13 Ray Leonard
12 Carlos Monzon
11 Muhammad Ali
10 Charley Burley
9 Sammy Langford
8 Archie Moore
7 Jimmy Wilde
6 Willie Pep
5 Sandy Sadler
4 Georges Carpentier
3 Roberto Duran
2 Henry Armstrong
1 Ray Robinson

I wont go through all of them but first, you severely overrate fighters of the 1910s, and mayweather has titles in 5 divisions, undisputed in 3 of them. How many fighters here have titles in 3 divisions, much less undisputed championships?

btw...Sandy Sadler is way to high..and CHARPENTIER??!??!?? What? Maybe if we were making a list of best european regional champs...

[Asterion]

I will give you 35...;)

35 Roy Jones
34 George Foreman
33 Joe Gans
32 Ruben Olivares
31 Thomas Hearns
30 Marvin Hagler
29 Joe Louis
28 Gene Tunney
27 George Dixon
26 Eder Jofre
25 Carlos Zarate
24 Alexis Arguello
23 Pernell Whitaker
22 Oscar de la Hoya
21 Pancho Villa
20 Bob Fitzsimmons
19 Stanley Ketchel
18 Harry Grebb
17 Ezzard Charles
16 Benny Leonard
15 Julio Cesar Chavez
14 Mickey Walker
13 Ray Leonard
12 Carlos Monzon
11 Muhammad Ali
10 Charley Burley
9 Sammy Langford
8 Archie Moore
7 Jimmy Wilde
6 Willie Pep
5 Sandy Sadler
4 Georges Carpentier
3 Roberto Duran
2 Henry Armstrong
1 Ray Robinson


Mayweather's greater than the ones in red.

[surreal deal]

Holyfield has been there for years.
damn right!:good :happy

[Relentless]

I wont go through all of them but first, you severely overrate fighters of the 1910s, and mayweather has titles in 5 divisions, undisputed in 3 of them. How many fighters here have titles in 3 divisions, much less undisputed championships?

btw...Sandy Sadler is way to high..and CHARPENTIER??!??!?? What? Maybe if we were making a list of best european regional champs...

before there wasn't that many weight division, light welter and welter were the same etc

undisputed??? there weren't weren't that many abc belts back then there was one belt and one champion.

[Asterion]

James Toney: Jean Marc Mormeck (he has to go down to 200), Sam Peter (avenge the loss) and Wladimir Klitschko. :yep :yep

[TBooze]

I wont go through all of them but first, you severely overrate fighters of the 1910s, and mayweather has titles in 5 divisions, undisputed in 3 of them. How many fighters here have titles in 3 divisions, much less undisputed championships?

btw...Sandy Sadler is way to high..and CHARPENTIER??!??!?? What? Maybe if we were making a list of best european regional champs...

You seem a big time lover of alphabet crap (Mayweather has been World Champion in one division (Welterweight)...

So with that in mind I'm suprised you picked out Carpentier; he is the King of alphabet crap....

A one division World Champion (175)

A three division World title claimant (160, 175 and Heavyweight)

A five division European Champion/claimant (135, 147, 160, 175 and Heavyweight)

A six division French Champion (126, 135, 147, 160, 175 and Heavyweight)

And a two division alleged French Champion (112 and 118.)

He was the King of alphabet crap, and he did all this in an era of only eight divisions and maybe six/seven recognized alphabet organizations...

Imagine the stats if he was around today with 17 divisons and 26 letters in my/our alphabet... ;)

[Illmatic]

I'll name 50 with ease...

no one can do it...they just come up with a bunch of overrated fighters from the 1910s with 2 title defenses, a bunch of guys who lost when they left their weight drained weight class, and then 15-20 who have a legit case to having accomplished more.

[El Bombasto]

I will give you 35...;)

35 Roy Jones
34 George Foreman
33 Joe Gans
32 Ruben Olivares
31 Thomas Hearns
30 Marvin Hagler
29 Joe Louis
28 Gene Tunney
27 George Dixon
26 Eder Jofre
25 Carlos Zarate
24 Alexis Arguello
23 Pernell Whitaker
22 Oscar de la Hoya
21 Pancho Villa
20 Bob Fitzsimmons
19 Stanley Ketchel
18 Harry Grebb
17 Ezzard Charles
16 Benny Leonard
15 Julio Cesar Chavez
14 Mickey Walker
13 Ray Leonard
12 Carlos Monzon
11 Muhammad Ali
10 Charley Burley
9 Sammy Langford
8 Archie Moore
7 Jimmy Wilde
6 Willie Pep
5 Sandy Sadler
4 Georges Carpentier
3 Roberto Duran
2 Henry Armstrong
1 Ray Robinson

:lol: :good :yep

[Illmatic]

You seem a big time lover of aplhabet crap (Mayweather has been World Champion in one division (Welterweight)...

So with that in mind I'm suprised you picked out Carpentier; he is the King of alphabet crap....

A one division World Champion (175)

A three division World title claimant (160, 175 and Heavyweight)

A five division European Champion/claimant (135, 147, 160, 175 and Heavyweight)

A six division French Champion (126, 135, 147, 160, 175 and Heavyweight)

And a two division alleged French Champion (112 and 118.)

He was the King of alphabet crap, and he did all this in an era of only eight divisions and maybe six/seven recognized alphabet organizations...

Imagine the stats if he was around today with 17 divisons and 26 letters in my/our alphabet... ;)

He was undisputed at 130, 135, and 147.

[El Bombasto]

Mayweather's greater than the ones in red.

When PBF wins a title at 40+, then you can say he's done more than Big George.

[TBooze]

He was undisputed at 130, 135, and 147.

That is almost impossible in this day and age... he was World Champion in one; Welterweight.

[Drew101]

That is almost impossible in this day and age... he was World Champion in one; Welterweight.

In fairness to Mayweather, he was acknowledged as the champion at 130lbs, particularly after defeating a reigning titleholder in Corrales in what was essentially a partial unification.

His claim at 135lbs was pretty solid after he defeated the fighter who was regarded as the best in the division (and not by a little) in Castillo.

And, he's legit at 147lbs.

He's got the right to claim world championship status in three divisions.

[The Italarican]

Mayweather would be a Top 10 ATG if he beat the Pavlik/Taylor winner at 160/168, the Calzaghe/Kessler winner at 168, and the Hopkins/Wright winner OR Erdei to be The Man (by public opinion or linear) at 175.

I guess I shouldn't have used that since you said what will possibly happen, but theoretically it's at least possible.

[Relentless]

Mayweather would be a Top 10 ATG if he beat the Pavlik/Taylor winner at 160/168, the Calzaghe/Kessler winner at 168, and the Hopkins/Wright winner OR Erdei to be The Man (by public opinion or linear) at 175.

I guess I shouldn't have used that since you said what will possibly happen, but theoretically it's at least possible.

no paulie malignaggi is not an all time great, dont even think about it:hey

[RafaelGonzal]

Ray Robinson
Ali
Louis
Duran
Armstrong
PEP
leanord
Arguello
Hearns
Monzon
Sanchez

[TBooze]

In fairness to Mayweather, he was acknowledged as the champion at 130lbs, particularly after defeating a reigning titleholder in Corrales in what was essentially a partial unification.

His claim at 135lbs was pretty solid after he defeated the fighter who was regarded as the best in the division (and not by a little) in Castillo.

And, he's legit at 147lbs.

He's got the right to claim world championship status in three divisions.

His claims at 130 and 135 are bastardized, his legitimate claim is at Welterweight.

[The Italarican]

no paulie malignaggi is not an all time great, dont even think about it:hey

I still have no clue why you think I'm obsessed with Paulie Malignaggi, but ok.

[Oscar de la Roa]

Barrera if he beats pacquiao and erik morales if he beats jmm wich i dont see happening

[Words]

If Mayweather beats Cotto, Hatton and Williams he's ATG material. Infact he's in the upper echelons of ATG, top 20 easily.

If Cotto beats mayweather and hatton he's on his way to being ATG, however he'd need to reign for a few years to solidify that status.

If Hatton beats Cotto, Mayweather and wins a few more mandatory defenses after like Junior Witter, Pauli mallinaggi etc then he's ATG.

Joe Calzaghe beats Mikkel Kessler and Bernard Hopkins he's all time great. Possibly 2nd best super-middleweight of all time after Roy Jones Jnr.

[Oscar de la Roa]

what about jmm. could he join this list?

[kg0208]

His claims at 130 and 135 are bastardized, his legitimate claim is at Welterweight.
BS. 135 is debatable either way, but many count it as a legit world title.

130 is undisputable. Hernandez was considered the lineal champion when he lost to PBF.

Jones is the closest active fighter to the top 10 IMO, and he would have to do a major turnaround to gain it.

[jazzboy]

Just a thought but how about Taylor as an ATG if he beats

Calzaghe at 168
Beats Wright in a rematch
Kessler at 168

All of this after pavlik of course

[TBooze]

BS. 135 is debatable either way, but many count it as a legit world title.

130 is undisputable. Hernandez was considered the lineal champion when he lost to PBF.

Jones is the closest active fighter to the top 10 IMO, and he would have to do a major turnaround to gain it.

So 135 by your own admission is bastardized

So at 130 he held this lineage, where is the line? The last fighter to have a claim at the World Championship at 130 was Brian Mitchell, and he retired undefeated, and there has never been a universally recognized fighter to claim the World Championship since...

[kg0208]

So 135 by your own admission is bastardized

So at 130 he held this lineage, where is the line? The last fighter to have a claim at the World Championship at 130 was Brian Mitchell, and he retired undefeated, and there has never been a universally recognized fighter to claim the World Championship since...
It all depends on what you think re establishes Lineage, something none of us seems to know for sure. And I don't see how you get that admission from my post.

But nearly every website and magazine considered Genaro Hernandez the Lineal champion after he beat Azumah Nelson, and PBF beat him at 130. At 135, Castillo was certainly recognized as #1 when PBF beat him.

[TBooze]

It all depends on what you think re establishes Lineage, something none of us seems to know for sure. And I don't see how you get that admission from my post.

But nearly every website and magazine considered Genaro Hernandez the Lineal champion after he beat Azumah Nelson, and PBF beat him at 130. At 135, Castillo was certainly recognized as #1 when PBF beat him.

People seem to forget what lineage means, there is no lineage champions left in boxing, period.

To become a Champion of the World you have to have a legitmate claim that the vast majority of parties agrees to. Unlike the 80s downwards, you will probably never see a 'undisupted' World Champion again.

Thus the words lineage champion and universal champion do not mean anything, so are pieces of alphabet crap...

[Calroid]

All time top 10? There's none out there right now.

A better question would have been top 5 or 10 of all time in their respective weightclasses.

[kg0208]

People seem to forget what lineage means, there is no lineage champions left in boxing, period.

To become a Champion of the World you have to have a legitmate claim that the vast majority of parties agrees to. Unlike the 80s downwards, you will probably never see a 'undisupted' World Champion again.

Thus the words lineage champion and universal champion do not mean anything, so are pieces of alphabet crap...

Lineage and Linear are not the same thing. There are lineage champions left, like it or not. They may not fit your description of lineage, but a vast majority won't agree.

As for you "Champion of the World" and having a vast majority of parties agree to become it, then by that standard, PBF has 3 world titles. He was recognized as the champion at 130, 135, and 147. 130 and 135 for beating the recognized top fighter in each division.

[kg0208]

That leaves him in the same position that Vitali had after Lewis retired. Not more not less. He was the man to beat in that weightclasses but not undisputed.

Vitali never beat the man who beat the man, unified, or anything like that. He also never won a belt off a champion.

PBF won those 3 belts from the #1 fighter in the division, and in 2 of them beat the man who beat the man. Vitali lost to #1 fighter in the division. Not even close to the same thing.

[Sebastien]

I think pacquaio already is an atg.

but with Hopkins, I think he would need to beat:

Wright, Calzaghe, Mormeck....and he would probably be top 5 actually

Pacquiao already ATG and B-Hop still has work to do?????? are you kidding?

[Sebastien]

After Bernard wins tomorrow he will be.

[Toopretty]

:gun:gun:gun:gun:gun:gun:gun:gunAll time top 10? There's none out there right now.

A better question would have been top 5 or 10 of all time in their respective weightclasses.
Hey calroid, I like you avatar of that elbow throwing ass marciano...Down with Marciano..lol The only fighter that could throw elbows legally...better not complain...or the mob guys would get ya...lol.

[BoxingGuru]

Fucking HOLYFIELD? Who the hell is he gonna beat? He ain't beating ANYONE in the top 10.

[kg0208]

If Mayweather beats Cotto, Hatton, Mosley he's atg.

But a top 10 ATG? SRL barely makes top 10 with wins over Duran, Hagler, and Hearns. PBF isn't getting in that high with wins over a past his prime Mosley, Hatton, and Cotto (who has himself, yet to win a title off a champion)

[deram]

Holyfield: with wins over winner of Ibragimov/Chagaev, Peter and Wlad.

Mayweather: with wins over Hatton (at 140), Mosley (at 147) and Cotto (at 147)

Pacquaio: with wins over Barrera, Marquez, and hmmm....Chris JOhn?

Holy: Yes, if he beats Wlad, Vitaly and a third top HW. He would be 20-25 in my book.

Mayweather: Yes, if he beats Taylor (if he wants to claim multi division champ then lets see some real stuff..), Hatton and Mosley. He would be 10-15 in my book - mostly for the Taylor win. Still his "legacy" leaves a stale taste in boxing fans mouthes because he so openly hand picked most in his carreer.

Pac: Well, not by fighting the same old scrap that have been meeting eachother over and over (Barrera, Morales etc.). To break top 50 he would imo. need to beat (and not to win every other fight with them but beat and not lose): Marquez, Valero.... so far it looks very likely (and will not change things a lot because everyone expects this anyway)... but then we will need to make it a little challenging.... Hatton to break top 100 and get all the way to top 70 even, and Cotto to get top 40.

[Calroid]

:gun:gun:gun:gun:gun:gun:gun:gun
Hey calroid, I like you avatar of that elbow throwing ass marciano...Down with Marciano..lol The only fighter that could throw elbows legally...better not complain...or the mob guys would get ya...lol.


Is that you prettyboy?

Yeah I liked the pic. That's how you throw an elbow.:yep

[sues2nd]

I think pacquaio already is an atg.

but with Hopkins, I think he would need to beat:

Wright, Calzaghe, Mormeck....and he would probably be top 5 actually

WAIT.....Pacquaio is already an ATG....but Hopkins isnt???

:patsch

Cmon, tell me that was a typo.

[Chert]

pac will have to get a lineal championship at 130 and 135 to crack the top 20-25 atg list. a lineal at 130 together with his previous ones at 112 and 126 will be enough to get him comfortably within the top 50.

[Illmatic]

Pacquiao already ATG and B-Hop still has work to do?????? are you kidding?
No, learn to read. He said Pac is not an ATG, I said I think he already is....then I said for B-Hop to be TOP 10 atg he would need to beat....etc, etc...

reading comprehension 101

[PacDbest]

Pacquiao already ATG and B-Hop still has work to do?????? are you kidding?

Pac is already an ATG. One evidence is the current Sept 07 issue of Ring Magazine where they have a Feature titled "Pacman Against ATGs". It happens Here also in this forum,we always compare & Match Pac against ATGs. We match Pac against ATGs because he is Percieve to be an ATG. Barrera & Morales are on the way for all time greatness and Pac just dominated them. I see Pac dominating Barrera & JMM in their coming Rematch. After that I see Pac takes on Guzman/Soto Winner Then move to Lightweight for Diaz/ Casa. Just enough to take top 20 ATGs maybe top 10 if he keeps fighting & winning.

[Fedor Em]

No fighter today could crack the top 10 with just 3 more fights. Floyd (Hatton, Cotto, Mosley) and B-Hop (Wright, Calzaghe, then beat a top Crusier) could get into the top 25, maybe even crack the top 20, but no way top 10. Every fighter in the top 10 has such a deep resmue I would be hard for any modern fighter to get there, but it is possible.

[Lacyace]

The only fighter right now that can move into the top 10 of all time within three fights is Holyfield. The rest have virtually no chance.

[Calroid]

The only fighter right now that can move into the top 10 of all time within three fights is Holyfield. The rest have virtually no chance.

Yeah, if Holyfield managed to clean up the current heavyweight division he could be there. That's a huge IF though.

[PacDbest]

barrera is already ahead of pacqiou in atg standards....no doubt. but barrera is pretty much over....pacqiou isn't

pacqiou beat a older man barrera and an older man morales. and older man morales beat the living shit out of pac. and jmm proceded to whip that ass for about 10 rounds. pac will be beaten....eventually

Anymore excuses????

[deram]

Pac and many of these other small guys get into HOF and ATG under the radar. Most people don't really give a rats ass about what goes on below 135 (for many it is 147 even), so the mexicans and now pilipinoes virtually can hype their fighters and make a case for why this and this "great" fighter has just beaten these 5 other "great" fighters and therefore should be in HOF or ATG. Once they succeed the following just have to beat that guy an dsuddenly they too are up there and so on..

And most people don't care enough to argue with them.

Personally I am not convinced.

[brooklyn1550]

ROY JONES JR: Chad Dawson, Joe Calzaghe/Mikkel Kessler, Bernard Hopkins/Winky Wright

[Dostoevsky]

WTF?
Holyfield is already an ATG.
One of the greatest cruiserweights and best Heavyweights

[bigtime9]

roy and floyd are already in the top 10 floyd is def top 5 as his resume and career surpasses most of the fighters in the top 5.

[PacDbest]

Pac and many of these other small guys get into HOF and ATG under the radar. Most people don't really give a rats ass about what goes on below 135 (for many it is 147 even), so the mexicans and now pilipinoes virtually can hype their fighters and make a case for why this and this "great" fighter has just beaten these 5 other "great" fighters and therefore should be in HOF or ATG. Once they succeed the following just have to beat that guy an dsuddenly they too are up there and so on..

And most people don't care enough to argue with them.

Personally I am not convinced.

I don't think you can call Pac under the Radar ATGs. He is a PPV fighter, Can Fill Arenas all the time, #2 P4p, Hailed as the most exciting Fighter today, In the Front Page of Ring Magazine multiple times. Pac surpasses Sanchez, Gomez, & Hamed in Popularity during their era. Pac Now in in Arguello Level of popularity & Nearing Duran's in his era. Pac just need to beat up English speaking thrash talker(PBF) to be in Duran's Level of Popularity.

[deram]

roy and floyd are already in the top 10 floyd is def top 5 as his resume and career surpasses most of the fighters in the top 5.

If you disregard how he got there and only look at the titles then Mayweather's resume looks stunning. So for a superficial boxrec oppinion, Mayweather would be highly thought of.

[deram]

I don't think you can call Pac under the Radar ATGs. He is a PPV fighter, Can Fill Arenas all the time, #2 P4p, Hailed as the most exciting Fighter today, In the Front Page of Ring Magazine multiple times. Pac surpasses Sanchez, Gomez, & Hamed in Popularity during their era. Pac Now in in Arguello Level of popularity & Nearing Duran's in his era. Pac just need to beat up English speaking thrash talker(PBF) to be in Duran's Level of Popularity.

Well, that imo. is not just a "just". So far Pac has not really beaten an international row of good opponents. He has basically just beaten people from the same couple of countries.

So it could be argued that his title is like a latin-american/pilipino belt.

Well, we know it is called a WORLD championship belt - but he needs to fight someone from the WORLD in order for that to seem credible. Maybe he is the best - well, actually he probably is. However, the best Speedway driver is also English, Australian, American or Scandinavian - because they are basically the only ones competing. Is Speedway then a highly competitive sport? Yes, it is - BUT not as competitive naturally as sports where the whole WORLD actively competes.

Therefore - a win against a PBF would make a world of difference for someone like Pac. Or a win against Hatton.

[LeedsLad]

RJJ is the only active fighter who can do it in 3 fights, but i dont think he has enough left in the tank to do it. Its arguable that his achievements could make him top 10 now, winning title's from Middleweight to Heavyweight is a particularly big achievement because thats going up like 40lbs. And in his prime, he was never legitimatly beaten.

Mayweather hasnt been undisputed champion at 130, 135 and 147. He never unified titles, just goes after the WBC strap in every division. To say Cotto, Mosley and Hatton is enough to make him top 10 all-time is laughable. Yes, he'll be an ATG, even if he retired today he will be, but there is easily 10 guys who P4P are better than him AND have beat better fighters.

[PacDbest]

Well, that imo. is not just a "just". So far Pac has not really beaten an international row of good opponents. He has basically just beaten people from the same couple of countries.

So it could be argued that his title is like a latin-american/pilipino belt.

Well, we know it is called a WORLD championship belt - but he needs to fight someone from the WORLD in order for that to seem credible. Maybe he is the best - well, actually he probably is. However, the best Speedway driver is also English, Australian, American or Scandinavian - because they are basically the only ones competing. Is Speedway then a highly competitive sport? Yes, it is - BUT not as competitive naturally as sports where the whole WORLD actively competes.

Therefore - a win against a PBF would make a world of difference for someone like Pac. Or a win against Hatton.

Before Pac Beat up the best of Mexico, Pac Clean up the best of Thailand, Korea, Indonesia, Australia, Japan & Africa. Pac has nothing to Clean up among the USA & European fighters coz Barrera(Hamed & Mckinney) & Morales(Jones) did the cleaning in that continents. Then JMM Clean up the rest of the Nobodies. Pac fought MAB, EM & JMM while they're on top so your excuse that they're Old shot fighters is not Valid. Pac truly is the Global Destroyer!!! ATG for sure.

[Drew101]

Well, if you count his status at 130 and 135 as beeing the champ than Wlad is also right now.

Wlad has yet to beat a reigning titleholder while champion. Not the same thing.

[Rock0052]

Wlad has yet to beat a reigning titleholder while champion. Not the same thing.

The only guy on Floyd's resume that fits that description is Baldomir, and the only reason that even happened that way is because Baldomir didn't pay for the IBF belt to be on the line when he beat Judah. Neither of them have unified anything yet.

[kg0208]

Before Pac Beat up the best of Mexico, Pac Clean up the best of Thailand, Korea, Indonesia, Australia, Japan & Africa. Pac has nothing to Clean up among the USA & European fighters coz Barrera(Hamed & Mckinney) & Morales(Jones) did the cleaning in that continents. Then JMM Clean up the rest of the Nobodies. Pac fought MAB, EM & JMM while they're on top so your excuse that they're Old shot fighters is not Valid. Pac truly is the Global Destroyer!!! ATG for sure.

Oh come off it. I can name at least 50 fighters who are greater than Pacman all time.

He is no where NEAR the top 10. And just because an old fighter is still on top and hasn't faced a fighter good enough to beat him, doesn't mean he is in his PRIME. A fighters prime is relative to his fighting peak, not his ranking within the boxing world.

[Amsterdam]

Hmm, for arguments sake...

Say Calzaghe beats:

Kessler
Hopkins
Dawson

... as his next 3...

Top 50?:think

[PacDbest]

Oh come off it. I can name at least 50 fighters who are greater than Pacman all time.

He is no where NEAR the top 10. And just because an old fighter is still on top and hasn't faced a fighter good enough to beat him, doesn't mean he is in his PRIME. A fighters prime is relative to his fighting peak, not his ranking within the boxing world.

Who's the top 126 pounder & 130 pounder when Pac fought at that weight????

[reed_man02]

Who's the top 126 pounder & 130 pounder when Pac fought at that weight????
it was barrera both times. then pac lost to em (who wasnt the top 130 at anytime when he fought pac em all three times). anyways, he never beat jmm who had a claim to that spot at 126 or 130. now pac is fighting mab again who is rank, third or fourth?

edit: i meant to say wasnt the top 130 lber.

[Axe]

I will give you 35...;)

35 Roy Jones
34 George Foreman
33 Joe Gans
32 Ruben Olivares
31 Thomas Hearns
30 Marvin Hagler
29 Joe Louis
28 Gene Tunney
27 George Dixon
26 Eder Jofre
25 Carlos Zarate
24 Alexis Arguello
23 Pernell Whitaker
22 Oscar de la Hoya
21 Pancho Villa
20 Bob Fitzsimmons
19 Stanley Ketchel
18 Harry Grebb
17 Ezzard Charles
16 Benny Leonard
15 Julio Cesar Chavez
14 Mickey Walker
13 Ray Leonard
12 Carlos Monzon
11 Muhammad Ali
10 Charley Burley
9 Sammy Langford
8 Archie Moore
7 Jimmy Wilde
6 Willie Pep
5 Sandy Sadler
4 Georges Carpentier
3 Roberto Duran
2 Henry Armstrong
1 Ray Robinson

Hoya above Whitaker? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[PacDbest]

it was barrera both times. then pac lost to em (who wasnt the top 130 at anytime when he fought pac em all three times). anyways, he never beat jmm who had a claim to that spot at 126 or 130. now pac is fighting mab again who is rank, third or fourth?

edit: i meant to say wasnt the top 130 lber.

Why a fight with Barrera(while He's on top) & Pac at didn't happen at 130?? Who ducks Who????

[PacDbest]

The best at 126 was not Finalized because who ducks who?????

[reed_man02]

Why a fight with Barrera(while He's on top) & Pac at didn't happen at 130?? Who ducks Who????

i dunno and how the hell is that relevent to the dicussion of whether or not pac is a top 50 atg?

[puga_ni_nana]

it was barrera both times. then pac lost to em (who wasnt the top 130 at anytime when he fought pac em all three times). anyways, he never beat jmm who had a claim to that spot at 126 or 130. now pac is fighting mab again who is rank, third or fourth?

edit: i meant to say wasnt the top 130 lber.

just checked boxrec and you are correct. barrera is the no.1 130 fighter when pac 1st fought there since barrera beats morales via a close MD. i also first thought that morales was the #1 fighter at 130 that time.

i will still place barrera at #3 at 130 today behind pac and jmm and place guzman at 4th.

[PacDbest]

i dunno and how the hell is that relevent to the dicussion of whether or not pac is a top 50 atg?

Because Pac fought these Greats while they are on top & make them look old. But actually they're not old & not Shot. They just get beaten by a much Greater fighter. Just stop making excuses that pac fought a Shot HOFamer fighters.

[reed_man02]

Because Pac fought these Greats while they are on top & make them look old. But actually they're not old & not Shot. They just get beaten by a much Greater fighter. Just stop making excuses that pac fought a Shot HOFamer fighters.

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

calm down little dude, calm down. when did i say they was shot? i just said em wasnt the top cat at 130 in any of the three fights he had with pacman yet was still able to beat pac. all i was doing was pointing out a mistake in a previous post and now your jumping up and down about something or another. i dont know how kg puts up with you.

[reed_man02]

just checked boxrec and you are correct. barrera is the no.1 130 fighter when pac 1st fought there since barrera beats morales via a close MD. i also first thought that morales was the #1 fighter at 130 that time.

i will still place barrera at #3 at 130 today behind pac and jmm and place guzman at 4th.

at the risk of overrated soto, i think he MIGHT be better than mab at this point in their respective careers. barrera is old now and had a close fight with rocky juarez who we all soto is better than. after the guzman fight, we will be able to tell if soto is the good or not.

[TBooze]

Lineage and Linear are not the same thing. There are lineage champions left, like it or not. They may not fit your description of lineage, but a vast majority won't agree.



Lineage means lineage there is a dictionary definition...


Direct descent from a particular ancestor; ancestry.
Derivation.
The descendants of a common ancestor considered to be the founder of the line. No champion around today is lineage, linear or whatever champion. To claim it, is just claim another form of alphabet crap.