Roy Jones "Floyd needs to fight Prime fighters" [Archive]

Nigel_Benn

07-20-2007, 04:33 PM

andyZOR

07-20-2007, 04:34 PM

Hatton is the key.

markbrooklyn

07-20-2007, 04:39 PM

he is..

he is going TWO weight classes below him to fight Hatton :rofl

or maybe not. looks like HATTON Called his bluff..

Yea i thought you were leaving dickhead.. Take Hattons cock out of your mouth already.

andyZOR

07-20-2007, 04:40 PM

I thought you were fuckin' leaving.

Exactally. I hate it when people say they will do somthing yet they don't.

Relentless

07-20-2007, 04:45 PM

Yea i thought you were leaving dickhead.. Take Hattons cock out of your mouth already.

are you frightened of him that much that you cant wait till he leaves?

achillesthegreat

07-20-2007, 04:49 PM

Coming from a man who fought ONE prime fighter where as Floyd has already fought Diego and Castillo at their best.

Floyd owned 130, beat the best 135, was avoided at 140 and became the man at 147. 154 was just some spice, like heavy was for RJJ. The difference - Floyd fought a legend, RJJ fought Ruiz!

surreal deal

07-20-2007, 04:52 PM

Exactally. I hate it when people say they will do somthing yet they don't.
pisses me off too.Never posting again,cant be arsed with hypocricy.

Rock0052

07-20-2007, 04:53 PM

TBooze

07-20-2007, 04:53 PM

Roy Jones "Floyd needs to fight Prime fighters"

:huh

Wait I get it... Say what you want about them but Antoine Byrd, Eric Lucas and Bryant Brannon were all primed when they fought Jones...

Lil Floyd get with it! You should be fighting a peak Jamie Moore not old man de la Hoya!

Ramshall1

07-20-2007, 04:55 PM

Floyd is a cherry picking coward. . . but RJJ doesnt have much room to talk, he had a bum of the month club goin for a while there.

kg0208

07-20-2007, 05:10 PM

Floyd is a cherry picking coward. . . but RJJ doesnt have much room to talk, he had a bum of the month club goin for a while there.
Yah....can you name the bums?

First define what a bum is (I certainly hope you don't count Top 10 oppponents or champions as bums), then name the many bums of the month he fought. I doubt that you can. Not fighting some fighters doesn't mean you aren't fighting others.

Shpion

07-20-2007, 05:12 PM

Roy Jones answered back to the reports that Floyd Mayweather the current p4p number 1 said when Jones reigned as P4P number 1 he fought police officers and bums, Jones response was not civil " You have to understand that i won 4 titles in 4 different weight classes beat Bernard Hopkins one of the greatest middleweights of all time, Beat James Toney who everyone said was the pound for pound best and would whip me, cleaned out the Light heavyweight divison then went up and whipped John Ruiz, So i fought them in there prime all Floyd did was whip inactive, Past it Oscar so i say to Floyd go and fight some live bodies!!"

Even though I was disappointed that we never saw RJJ against DM, he did beat better quality fighters than PBF and also in a more impressive fashion. The only thing I disagree is that PBF did not whip DLH, he won a SD.

Ramshall1

07-20-2007, 05:13 PM

Yah....can you name the bums?

First define what a bum is (I certainly hope you don't count Top 10 oppponents or champions as bums), then name the many bums of the month he fought. I doubt that you can. Not fighting some fighters doesn't mean you aren't fighting others.

he fought an Aborigone, a dude straight off the orange fields and a cop. . . .all bums in terms of this level of boxing.

kg0208

07-20-2007, 05:22 PM

he fought an Aborigone, a dude straight off the orange fields and a cop. . . .all bums in terms of this level of boxing.
That's 3 out of over 50....certainly doesn't equate to a bum of the month club.

Who is the Aborigone? Frazier is the cop...who came off the orange fields? NAME them, don't insult them. You know the whole premise of Jones beating alot of bums was plainly BS.

Ramshall1

07-20-2007, 05:27 PM

That's 3 out of over 50....certainly doesn't equate to a bum of the month club.

Who is the Aborigone? Frazier is the cop...who came off the orange fields? NAME them, don't insult them. You know the whole premise of Jones beating alot of bums was plainly BS.

I dont remember their names . . . just their primary occupations. . :cool:

But relax homie. . . his resume is way better than Frauds, Ill say that. . . but he did have that string of downright shiitty matches on HBO.

kg0208

07-20-2007, 05:32 PM

I dont remember their names . . . just their primary occupations. . :cool:

But relax homie. . . his resume is way better than Frauds, Ill say that. . . but he did have that string of downright shiitty matches on HBO.
Go look up the names. [Only registered and activated users can see links]

There's Jones resume, pick them out.

No need to relax homie. But since this seems to be a common thing you like to say, I want you to back it up. I hope you weren't calling Malinga an aborigone as though thats all he was....he was a former SMW champion who lost a split decision to a prime Eubanks and beat Nigel Benn.

Frazier was a cop and a horrible fighter. The rest of the "bum of the month" club is a myth based on people wanting to see Jones fight other fighters....but the fighters he was fighting were not bums by any means, a vast majority being ranked in the top 10 by Ring and former champs.

Ramshall1

07-20-2007, 05:34 PM

kg0208

07-20-2007, 05:40 PM

I dont think Box-rec lists their primary occupations. . . but in RJJ's case, maybe they should.
So you don't know then. As I said, look it up. Most of the so called "Bums" were champions or Top 10 fighters. Not bums. You don't need to know their so called occupations to know what they did in the ring. And MOST fighters have another job before they make it big.

TheGreat

07-20-2007, 05:48 PM

I dont think Box-rec lists their primary occupations. . . but in RJJ's case, maybe they should.

:rofl Very funny coming from a fan of Margo, RJJ has wins over Toney, hopkins, Taver, Griffen, Hill, Ruiz and a large number of guys ranked in the top ten plus he is the only man to become MW, LHW and HW champ of the world.

C Money

07-20-2007, 05:49 PM

IRONY is funny sometimes. I admit that years ago, i criticized RJJ for not rematching guy's like Hopkins and Toney, instead feasting on guy's like Frazier,R. Johnson, Telesco, and Hall. But In the end?? He's done far more than Floyd to this point and I believe that Floyd has even managed to shoot his mouth off more:lol:

Roy's right, Floyd needs to shut hi trap and get to work, facing the PRIME and undefeated Champion/challengers of his era, and SSM since PBF made a big deal of Oscar and Shane is the better of the two.

C Money

07-20-2007, 05:50 PM

PBF needs to fight Cotto and one other top figher if he wants to be an ATG.

Mosley, Williams, Hatton , one of them and Cotto will help his long term status in boxing.

1?? HELL NO!!! Try at least 4, if PBF wants to be the legend HE THINKS HE IS!!!!

kg0208

07-20-2007, 05:53 PM

1?? HELL NO!!! Try at least 4, if PBF wants to be the legend HE THINKS HE IS!!!!

He could beat all 4....he would not equal the best fighter ever, which is what he thinks he is.

Only one of the 4 mentioned is an ATG. And he is past his prime. He will never reach the status he believes he is.

Pimp C

07-20-2007, 05:53 PM

he is..

he is going TWO weight classes below him to fight Hatton :rofl

or maybe not. looks like HATTON Called his bluff..
Hit the road loser!:hi:

Ramshall1

07-20-2007, 05:59 PM

So you don't know then. As I said, look it up. Most of the so called "Bums" were champions or Top 10 fighters. Not bums. You don't need to know their so called occupations to know what they did in the ring. And MOST fighters have another job before they make it big.

I dont remember the dudes names. . .I just remember Lamply and Merchant talking about how one was an Aborigone. . . and one was working in the orange fields etc. . . it wasnt that important for me to remember their names.

Ramshall1

07-20-2007, 06:07 PM

:rofl Very funny coming from a fan of Margo, RJJ has wins over Toney, hopkins, Taver, Griffen, Hill, Ruiz and a large number of guys ranked in the top ten plus he is the only man to become MW, LHW and HW champ of the world.

say what you wil about Margarito . . . but he has never bored me when he's fighting. . . RJJ has, more than a couple times.

Jose FM

07-20-2007, 06:42 PM

Even though I was disappointed that we never saw RJJ against DM, he did beat better quality fighters than PBF and also in a more impressive fashion. The only thing I disagree is that PBF did not whip DLH, he won a SD.
Indeed!:lol:

Snakefist

07-20-2007, 06:48 PM

Well there obviously is some truth in there but neither did he beat a prime Hopkins, still very impressive win, nor did he clean out lhw - DM anyone? Also his resume isn´t as bad as some people, like PBF make it up, but it could have been better.
Same goes with Floyd, his resume isn´t that bad but it could be better.

DM rofl you must be joking! DM sucks and didn't want to fight anyone anyway. He got beat by Julio Gonzalez, who Roy made look like nobody in their fight, then Clinton Woods beat Julio, who Roy raped.

At the same token, B-Hop was close to his prime, Roy Jones wasn't in his prime either (also fought him 1 handed), so it balances out. Roy Jones prime came in the Super middle division and light. Roy has beaten many fighters in their prime; Floyd stopped fighting prime fighters after Castillo. Floyd back in jrlight, light weight = nice work.

Snakefist

07-20-2007, 06:53 PM

Go look up the names. [Only registered and activated users can see links]

There's Jones resume, pick them out.

No need to relax homie. But since this seems to be a common thing you like to say, I want you to back it up. I hope you weren't calling Malinga an aborigone as though thats all he was....he was a former SMW champion who lost a split decision to a prime Eubanks and beat Nigel Benn.

Frazier was a cop and a horrible fighter. The rest of the "bum of the month" club is a myth based on people wanting to see Jones fight other fighters....but the fighters he was fighting were not bums by any means, a vast majority being ranked in the top 10 by Ring and former champs.

Usually the bum of the month came from Roy's first 2 years of boxing when his dad was still his manager. He had him fighting in their home town, fighting nothing but bums. And Roy wanted to fight better comp and win a title, so he fired his dad and then his actual career started. People don't understand that this referred to his first two years as a pro, it followed him unfortunately throughout his career even though he went on to fight good competition, and great fighters.

kg0208

07-20-2007, 07:19 PM

Usually the bum of the month came from Roy's first 2 years of boxing when his dad was still his manager. He had him fighting in their home town, fighting nothing but bums. And Roy wanted to fight better comp and win a title, so he fired his dad and then his actual career started. People don't understand that this referred to his first two years as a pro, it followed him unfortunately throughout his career even though he went on to fight good competition, and great fighters.

I never knew that....thanks for the information. :good

Most fighters fight low level competition early on, not unusual at all.

sdsfinest22

07-20-2007, 07:28 PM

If your applying that Ricky Hatton is a better fighter or would beat floyd than you got proiblems and you needa start watching boxing a lil more and learn more about the fighters...cuz ricky hatton as exciting as he is would get beat by Floyd with ease...and ur bad again...Floyd is a welterweight not a lite middleweight...he only moved up to lite middleweight to fight Oscar so hed actually only be fighting a guy thats a junior welterweight so its 1 weight class not 2...learn to get ur facts straight before u make posts lil boy...and as far as Roy Jones....his recent years hes been unfortunate and he does need to retire but he was a great lb 4 lb fighter and his athletic ability cant be challeneged by many athletes especially in the sport of boxing
I thought you were fuckin' leaving.

C Money

07-20-2007, 07:29 PM

He could beat all 4....he would not equal the best fighter ever, which is what he thinks he is.

Only one of the 4 mentioned is an ATG. And he is past his prime. He will never reach the status he believes he is.

I didnt/dont think that anyone who reads my posts could believe that Floyd could be the best ever.:lol: Yes, I suppose I could have made a more elaborate statement, but didnt feel it necessary.

I said he need's at least 4 more fights rather than 1 to bump his resume into the top ATG WW status. As there are 4 actually 5 if one wants to include Cintron opponents at 47 that would add much respect and establish PBF as the MAN without doubt.

I agree, he wont reach his goal, and believe that he'll lose to at least two or perhaps 3 of the top 5 guy's at 47.

kg0208

07-20-2007, 07:30 PM

Well, when you want to talk that way ... Sven Ottke beat glen Johnson who beat roy Jones so Ottke would have beaten Jones right? :rofl:rofl:rofl

He still cleaned out LHW. It isn't mean in the literal sense obviously and never is. He beat the vast majority of the champions and contenders in that division.

kg0208

07-20-2007, 07:31 PM

I didnt/dont think that anyone who reads my posts could believe that Floyd could be the best ever.:lol: Yes, I suppose I could have made a more elaborate statement, but didnt feel it necessary.

I said he need's at least 4 more fights rather than 1 to bump his resume into the top ATG WW status. As there are 4 actually 5 if one wants to include Cintron opponents at 47 that would add much respect and establish PBF as the MAN without doubt.

I agree, he wont reach his goal, and believe that he'll lose to at least two or perhaps 3 of the top 5 guy's at 47.
We misunderstand each other again. You said for "PBF to be as good as he says he is". He thinks he is best of all time....I think it's impossible for him to reach this goal with those 4 fighters. I should have elaborated on what I was referring to in your post.

Now if he cleaned out 147, then 154...well, we could have the conversation.

kg0208

07-20-2007, 07:35 PM

I won´t argue that, he beat most of the beat lhws of his time but he never faced DM and that is why there never was a universally recognized number one at that weight during that time.
We had the discussion already some time ago, remember? :good

I honestly don't recall it. But either way, both fighters had legit claims to being "the man" at 175.

Imperial1

07-20-2007, 07:40 PM

DM rofl you must be joking! DM sucks and didn't want to fight anyone anyway. He got beat by Julio Gonzalez, who Roy made look like nobody in their fight, then Clinton Woods beat Julio, who Roy raped.

At the same token, B-Hop was close to his prime, Roy Jones wasn't in his prime either (also fought him 1 handed), so it balances out. Roy Jones prime came in the Super middle division and light. Roy has beaten many fighters in their prime; Floyd stopped fighting prime fighters after Castillo. Floyd back in jrlight, light weight = nice work.

Well said when it was all said and done DM turned out to be like Anotnio Margarito ...I hope people are not saying that MW fought better op or better prime fighters than Roy ..Let me know when Floyd clean out any division ..As good as MW is he is really delusional .His career will continue to have a big question mark until he gets in the ring w/ a fighter as good as he and is in their prime .

djb2009

07-20-2007, 07:48 PM

RJJ is a god

C Money

07-20-2007, 08:29 PM

We misunderstand each other again. You said for "PBF to be as good as he says he is". He thinks he is best of all time....I think it's impossible for him to reach this goal with those 4 fighters. I should have elaborated on what I was referring to in your post.

Now if he cleaned out 147, then 154...well, we could have the conversation.

I just dont see PBF ever passing 128-1-2 and simply dismiss his nonsensical idea and claim. Technically what you are saying is correct, I just didnt elaborate because I find it absurd and meant 4 fights to place him in the CATEGORY he see's himself in, which IMO is ATG WW. that would be a more realistic and obtainable goal.

Axe

07-20-2007, 09:27 PM

Roy Jones answered back to the reports that Floyd Mayweather the current p4p number 1 said when Jones reigned as P4P number 1 he fought police officers and bums, Jones response was not civil " You have to understand that i won 4 titles in 4 different weight classes beat Bernard Hopkins one of the greatest middleweights of all time, Beat James Toney who everyone said was the pound for pound best and would whip me, cleaned out the Light heavyweight divison then went up and whipped John Ruiz, So i fought them in there prime all Floyd did was whip inactive, Past it Oscar so i say to Floyd go and fight some live bodies!!"

Sorry Roy, no you didn't. :deal

Furthermore Hatton is in his prime; so what, he is a natural 140 lber, Floyd is a natural 135 lber, thus it doesn't matter. If PBF beats a Hatton or a Cotto he will have surpassed RJJ and Roy knows it. :good

Imperial1

07-20-2007, 10:46 PM

Sorry Roy, no you didn't. :deal

Furthermore Hatton is in his prime; so what, he is a natural 140 lber, Floyd is a natural 135 lber, thus it doesn't matter. If PBF beats a Hatton or a Cotto he will have surpassed RJJ and Roy knows it. :good

Your on crack if you think fighting Hatton surpasses anything Roy has done especially winning a HW title ..When Floyd can come close to doing soemthing like that then you can talk ..And your also make these assumptions on a what if, the fight hasn't even been made w/Hatton yet .

kg0208

07-20-2007, 10:48 PM

Sorry Roy, no you didn't. :deal

Furthermore Hatton is in his prime; so what, he is a natural 140 lber, Floyd is a natural 135 lber, thus it doesn't matter. If PBF beats a Hatton or a Cotto he will have surpassed RJJ and Roy knows it. :good

So by beating one prime fighter, both of whom may or may not be ATG, he surpasses Jones beating of at least 2 prime ATG? Ok.....I see the logic there.

Rock0052

07-20-2007, 11:35 PM

If Floyd wants to put a win up to beat what Roy did with Ruiz, he'd have to beat the winner of Calzaghe-Kessler.

The only fighter Roy could've fought but didn't was DM. I don't mind Floyd one way or the other and I do have him p4p #1, but you can make a list of guys at 147 he needs to fight. He hasn't cleared out any divisions like Jones did. Guys like Mosley, Hatton, Cotto, etc...Floyd needs to beat those guys to back up his lofty views of P4P ATG-ness.

bill poster

07-20-2007, 11:37 PM

I hope Hatton fights a rusty Floyd.. but i don't see this fight happening somehow

Nokstar

07-20-2007, 11:44 PM

JMonster

07-20-2007, 11:54 PM

what about all the fighters he fought in his early days?? Corrales, Castillo? Judah, Mitchell, Gatti, Corley, Jesus Chavez, Emanuel Augustus, Angel Manfredy???? I like Roy a lot too...but that's sorta dumb for him to say, especially when he brings up Hopkins...when he fought Hopkins, Hopkins wasn't one of the best middleweights ever, that was pretty early in both of their careers. i'm TIRED of ppl talkn that type of shit. it doesn't make sense, so when a BOXER says it, whether i like the guy or not, i'ma have to say something about it

JMonster

07-20-2007, 11:58 PM

KO Boxing

07-20-2007, 11:59 PM

Sorry Roy, no you didn't. :deal

Furthermore Hatton is in his prime; so what, he is a natural 140 lber, Floyd is a natural 135 lber, thus it doesn't matter. If PBF beats a Hatton or a Cotto he will have surpassed RJJ and Roy knows it. :good
I'm a big Mayweather fan, but I disagree whole heartedly...

For Floyd to out-do Roy, he needs Mosely, Hatton AND Cotto (if he's still undefeated)

Thing is, if both retired right now, both are hall of famers and ATG'S... ALREADY! And you can take that to the bank... :deal

C Money

07-21-2007, 12:01 AM

all i know is that a prime bernard hopkins is better than any fighter floyd ever fought......so in a way...roy has a point.

I respect roy beating a in shape James Toney and a Faster Bernard Hopkins more than anything floyd has done...

In shape Toney????:lol: :nono :nono :nono

JT lost 44 pounds in the 6 weeks preceding their fight. That's not good for the body and doesnt produce the best conditioned fighter. If anything? Toney was drained from it and it appeared to show in his "performance"

None of that is RJJ's fault, to his credit he came in and did what he had to do. I would have loved to see a rematch where hopefully Toney could have come in right, but that's history and irrelevant now.

cpnasty

07-21-2007, 12:02 AM

Roid Jones is full of shit!! He was fighting bus drivers, firemen, and cops! He has no right to speak that way of Floyd.

C Money

07-21-2007, 12:07 AM

and then people want to talk about they want Mayweather to fight other ppl...Hatton, if he beats Hatton they will just bring up that Hatton has only beat a washed up Kosta Zsyu. Mosely, they will say he's past his prime. They all were sayin, "well if he beats ________ then he will get respect" then he beats the people, like de la hoya, judah...and people still talk shit and make excuses...they just want to c other people do bad in life and not want neone to succeed just becuase they rn't or because they weren't on his dick in the beginning and have made wrong hypothesis' about him

Dont take it personally, but the attitude you're proposing is BULLSHIT!!!

If you cant respect results, then you're(the one's you speak of) are fucking idiots and that perception will have NO WEIGHT or CREDIBILITY.
If PBF added another 4 or 5 wins to his resume vs Prime undefeated opponents, IT DAMN WELL MEANS SOMETHING:good

As for SSM??:lol: If DLH meant anything?? Mosley means more he was the better of the two.

The idea of such perception that it wont mean anything?? IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN EXCUSE FOR PBF FANS in attempt to justify Floyd walking away without doing what REAL CHAMPIONS AND LEGENDS HAVE ALWAYS DONE!!! FIGHT THE BEST!!!!!

KO Boxing

07-21-2007, 12:11 AM

In shape Toney????:lol: :nono :nono :nono

JT lost 44 pounds in the 6 weeks preceding their fight. That's not good for the body and doesnt produce the best conditioned fighter. If anything? Toney was drained from it and it appeared to show in his "performance"

None of that is RJJ's fault, to his credit he came in and did what he had to do. I would have loved to see a rematch where hopefully Toney could have come in right, but that's history and irrelevant now.
:roll:

This EXCUSE is SOOO overrated. Toney balloned up after every fight. So why was it ONLY the Roy fight that it affected him? He was 168 4 months before Roy, and 167 against Roy...

Hopkins and Toney is better than Castillo and Dela Hoya.

Moving up from Middleweight to Heavyweight is also better than Super featherweight to Light middlweight.

BUT - Floyd is 30, in his prime, in the best division in boxing at the moment, and coming off the biggest win of his career where he made in and around 20-30 million...

Pretty dumb time to retire, if your looking at legacy.

If your looking at money, great time to retire... Just leave out the name Roy Jones.

C Money

07-21-2007, 12:23 AM

:roll:

This EXCUSE is SOOO overrated. Toney balloned up after every fight. So why was it ONLY the Roy fight that it affected him? He was 168 4 months before Roy, and 167 against Roy...

Hopkins and Toney is better than Castillo and Dela Hoya.

Moving up from Middleweight to Heavyweight is also better than Super featherweight to Light middlweight.

BUT - Floyd is 30, in his prime, in the best division in boxing at the moment, and coming off the biggest win of his career where he made in and around 20-30 million...

Pretty dumb time to retire, if your looking at legacy.

If your looking at money, great time to retire... Just leave out the name Roy Jones.

I make NO EXCUSE and dont justify anything. I merely pointed out that THAT WAS NOT AN IN SHAPE, PROPERLY COMDITIONED Toney.

You could say the same about almost every version of Toney since!!
If you read my post, I said, it's not RJJ's fault and he did what he needed to do.

If you see me as a proponent of PBF??:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Read a few more of my post's:good

KO Boxing

07-21-2007, 12:26 AM

I make NO EXCUSE and dont justify anything. I merely pointed out that THAT WAS NOT AN IN SHAPE, PROPERLY COMDITIONED Toney.

You could say the same about almost every version of Toney since!!
If you read my post, I said, it's not RJJ's fault and he did what he needed to do.

If you see me as a proponent of PBF??:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Read a few more of my post's:good
That's fair, although I think the "not properly conditioned Toney" thing is bullshit...

Whether it is or not, beating Toney 11 rounds to 1 is better than beating an old Dela Hoya 7 rounds to 4 with 1 even. (I'm a Floyd fan, so not bagging him)

C Money

07-21-2007, 12:47 AM

That's fair, although I think the "not properly conditioned Toney" thing is bullshit...

Whether it is or not, beating Toney 11 rounds to 1 is better than beating an old Dela Hoya 7 rounds to 4 with 1 even. (I'm a Floyd fan, so not bagging him)

I would say that both Hopkins and Toney were better wins than floyd has dreamt of yet.

KO Boxing

07-21-2007, 01:44 AM

Glen Kelly was the aborigine. I don't think he had a job outside of boxing, he was a real pro fighter. And he was a decent fighter, beat a young Sam Soliman and old John Mugabi, but nothing special. This was clearly evident when Roy Knocked him out after doing a chicken dance with his hands behind his back lol. However, he was actually undefeated when he faced Roy, and might have even been a mandatory. Went 7 rounds with Roy but really did not do himself justice in that fight, and wouldn't listen to Fenech's instructions in his corner (neither do any of Fenech's other fighters). I think Roy might have carried him for a few rounds to warm up for that little disco move.

Anyhow, I'm with Roy on this one. After Floyd got in sight of the payday he was after against ODLH he has taken the easy path to get there. You can compare their records and opposition and it's all subjective as to who fought and beat the better calibre opponents. But atleast with Roy there weren't too many great potential matchups in and around the weight classes he went through. Whereas with Floyd there are many excellent fighters he could've faced as he jumped divisions. Guys like Tszyu, Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, Casamayor, unbeaten Freitas, Spadafora, Hamed maybe (that was talked about)... Even Margarito and Vivian Harris. All would've added more to his legacy than the likes of N'Dou, Sosa, Bruseles, Corley, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah (coming off a loss), and Baldomir have.
Glen Kelly is the aborigine... And no, he did have no job outside of boxing.

He certainly wasn't a world-beater, but he was the IBF mandatory. Undefeated. And had wins, as you said, over Sam Soliman and John Mugabi.

Was a Bruseless, Sosa type fighter. How Roy made him look is what he did to all fighters of that quality.

TheGreat

07-21-2007, 02:25 AM

say what you wil about Margarito . . . but he has never bored me when he's fighting. . . RJJ has, more than a couple times.

:lol: Only a hardcore Margosexual would say Margo is more exciting than RJJ.

HauntingTheHoly

07-21-2007, 04:50 AM

So by beating one prime fighter, both of whom may or may not be ATG, he surpasses Jones beating of at least 2 prime ATG? Ok.....I see the logic there.

Your comment wasn't directed at me, but I'd like to add something. I think that in comparing PBF and RJJ, you're leaving out the most important information. It's true Roy has the better resumè right now, but he also has the terrible ending to his career (he's currently trying to "fix" it with a comeback) while PBF is still at the top. Don't forget that Roy was on top of the world when he was called an excuse-making little bitch in the middle of the ring by Tarver, and then promptly BITCH SLAPPED to the canvas in one of the most humiliating/memorable defeats in boxing history. Many great champs suffer KO's and it's a testament to their greatness and mental toughness that they are able to bounce back quickly and avenge their losses. Roy never recovered mentally, but instead, was crushed. An ATG would have immediately made the Tarver 3 fight, not go fight Glenn Johnson. A sure sign that he wasn't right mentally after getting pimp slapped by Tarver. Our suspicions of his mental defeat became actualized when we saw him inexplicably afraid to throw any punches against Glenn Johnson, and then get KO'ed again in a very sad and telling fight. Still fighting with his mental demons, he made the Tarver 3 fight, but couldn't bring himself to try to win. He couldn't recover from that first bitch-slapping. Couldn't shake it from his mind. Not like an ATG would have. You'll notice he talked about "God" during this period of his career even more than he usually does, in desparation. Running to the fake daddy in the sky during a time of crisis, a sure sign of weakness! In the end, he was just a loser who cried in vain at night for "God" to win his fights for him, and it didn't happen.

As for Floyd, he can't be much of an ATG if he doesn't fight Cotto and whoever the next best 147 would be (Hatton? Williams?). At least he looks unbeatable for now (Cotto looks like the only one with any chance, imao) and has a perfect record.

The only argument you can make for RJJ over PBF is that PBF hasn't been tested well enough like Roy was, but when you consider how terribly RJJ failed his test, that's not much of an argument.

Rock0052

07-21-2007, 04:55 AM

Anyhow, I'm with Roy on this one. After Floyd got in sight of the payday he was after against ODLH he has taken the easy path to get there. You can compare their records and opposition and it's all subjective as to who fought and beat the better calibre opponents. But atleast with Roy there weren't too many great potential matchups in and around the weight classes he went through. Whereas with Floyd there are many excellent fighters he could've faced as he jumped divisions. Guys like Tszyu, Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, Casamayor, unbeaten Freitas, Spadafora, Hamed maybe (that was talked about)... Even Margarito and Vivian Harris. All would've added more to his legacy than the likes of N'Dou, Sosa, Bruseles, Corley, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah (coming off a loss), and Baldomir have.

Couldn't really put it better myself, great post :good

DanePugilist

07-21-2007, 05:28 AM

Tell him, Roy - and spot on.

Toopretty

07-21-2007, 11:18 AM

Toopretty

07-21-2007, 11:24 AM

So margarito is coming off a loss....so that means if somebobdy beats him then it is meaningless. Since you said floyd beat judah coming off of a loss..For one thing you stupid animals need to realize that styles make fights. These guys are pros and have lost fights before. And in the case of Judah he comes back better from a loss most of the time..A loss dont mean shit unless your are undefeated and get your first loss..then you are a little confidence strucken..but once you bounce back..you been there..you know you can lose but you still train and fight. So that means a fighter should not fight a big fight after a loss even if they won a whole lot of good fights before that...that shit is stupid....people find anyway to discredit a win..But cottos win over judah was so impressive after 2 str8 losses..yeah right....I give cotto equal credit as I do floyd and do baldomir...You beat zab that is good. It takes skill and pressure and good timing to beat zab..any old run of the mill guy cant go in there and do it.....

paulfv

07-21-2007, 11:30 AM

RJJ, you couldn't be more correct.

pjo479

07-21-2007, 11:39 AM

at this point mayweather needs to fight only the best either #1 contenders or belt holders .... personally the fight i want to see is him vs mosley its the biggest test for mayweather

RDJ

07-21-2007, 11:54 AM

he is going TWO weight classes below him to fight Hatton :rofl

His weight class is 147. He went UP to fight DLH. I think he should go down to 140 to fight Hatton, just to shut you up.

A-50

07-21-2007, 12:03 PM

Roy Jones answered back to the reports that Floyd Mayweather the current p4p number 1 said when Jones reigned as P4P number 1 he fought police officers and bums, Jones response was not civil " You have to understand that i won 4 titles in 4 different weight classes beat Bernard Hopkins one of the greatest middleweights of all time, Beat James Toney who everyone said was the pound for pound best and would whip me, cleaned out the Light heavyweight divison then went up and whipped John Ruiz, So i fought them in there prime all Floyd did was whip inactive, Past it Oscar so i say to Floyd go and fight some live bodies!!"

Bwhahahahaaha Glass Jaw Roy Jones did not clean out 175 there was one guy he did not fight (the lineal champion) Jones is a Glass Jawed joke who would get knocked out by Hopkins right now that is why we will never see Jones/Hopkins II. Roy needs to stick to fighting the bums he has been fighting, that is all he can beat.

C Money

07-21-2007, 01:02 PM

Same old dumb ass C money talking dumb shit..Hopkins was not the Hopkins of the past 5-7 years. He was a good solid fighter but no world beater. Toney was different. Toney was whooping ass. Thats a good win for ROY..but this is seriously the pot calling the kettle black. I mean Roy moved up to fight ruiz..floyd moved up to fight ODH...who is better Ruiz or delahoya. Castillo and Corrales were the Toneys and the hopkins of floyds weight class. And Floyd also beat the brakes off of Hernandez, and he beat the tough Jesus Chavez into submission. They both beat the same level of competition to me. But Roy fought more better fighters but he also lost more and devastatingly. Roy is beating up on hanshaws.and prince abudaboos now....But floyd needs 2 more fights against cotto and shane...Shane the sooner the better b/c you will not give him credit for that win either...You got that "shane was old shit" in your back pocket waiting to fling it out. And Floyd just needs to beat up Fatton just for general purpose. That is like an exhibition ass whoopin fight. That needs to go down...just for the UK.....

:hey :hey 2 Shitty, keep my name out ya mouth, especially when you cant recognize facts or have any sort of legitimate discussion. Castillo and Corrales WERE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE Hopkins or Toney in style or QUALITY.

Floyd needs to make a statement and CLEAN OUT 47. As he has never cleaned out any division:good That's more than Cotto and Shane, though they are definitely 2 he should fight. Cant wait to hear...you:| :| :| :| and screaming all the way down in Baltimore when Miguel sends you're IDOL to SLEEP:lol: Course, you're safe, PBF doesnt posess the balls to get in the ring with him now at 47. Instead he'll cling to the "we made an offer at 40" BS and wont face what would be coming his way:yep

PATSYS

07-21-2007, 01:21 PM

Hatton is the key. Hatton and Cotto and perhaps Williams.

And having Mosley, albeit non at his prime, in his resume will look very good.

reed_man02

07-21-2007, 02:51 PM

i think roy was talking about pacman.

Toopretty

07-21-2007, 02:58 PM

:hey :hey 2 Shitty, keep my name out ya mouth, especially when you cant recognize facts or have any sort of legitimate discussion. Castillo and Corrales WERE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE Hopkins or Toney in style or QUALITY.

Floyd needs to make a statement and CLEAN OUT 47. As he has never cleaned out any division:good That's more than Cotto and Shane, though they are definitely 2 he should fight. Cant wait to hear...you:| :| :| :| and screaming all the way down in Baltimore when Miguel sends you're IDOL to SLEEP:lol: Course, you're safe, PBF doesnt posess the balls to get in the ring with him now at 47. Instead he'll cling to the "we made an offer at 40" BS and wont face what would be coming his way:yep

YOU ARE A COMPLETE IDOITIC FUCKING CORKY ASS SLOW ASS RETARD...CASTILLO WAS A CHAMPION AT LIGHTWEIGHT WHEN HE FOUGHT FLOYD..CORRALES WAS A CHAMPION .BHOP WAS A CONTENDER STILL WORKING HIS WAY UP. NOT THE FIGHTER THAT WE KNOW NOW...TONEY WAS EXCITING AND THE SUPER MIDDLE CHAMP. QUALITY WISE THEY WERE A LITTLE LESS BUT NEITHER WERE NO FUCKING BUMS AND THE TOP DOGS PERIOD...EAT SHIT..WHAT IS FLOYD TO DO ..CREATE A FIGHTER THAT IS BETTER THEN TONEY AT THAT TIME..AND WENT ON TO HAVE GREAT CAREERS AFTER FLOYD JUST LIKE BHOP AND TONEY ALTHOUGH THEY ARE GOING IN THE HALL OF FAME..YOU ARE A FUCKING ARGUING ASS FEMALE..MAKING MUTE DUMB ASS POINTS WHEN YOU LOOK STUPID AS SHIT..THEY WERE EQUAL IN QUALITY AT THE WEIGHT CLASS AND POINT IN THERE CAREERS..

Mr "T"

07-21-2007, 03:32 PM

Floyd is a cherry picking coward. . . but RJJ doesnt have much room to talk, he had a bum of the month club goin for a while there.Too bad RJJ didn't get his wish to fight Wlad K.:yikes

Imperial1

07-21-2007, 04:01 PM

Bwhahahahaaha Glass Jaw Roy Jones did not clean out 175 there was one guy he did not fight (the lineal champion) Jones is a Glass Jawed joke who would get knocked out by Hopkins right now that is why we will never see Jones/Hopkins II. Roy needs to stick to fighting the bums he has been fighting, that is all he can beat.

You must be new to boxing with a reply like this ..Minus the Antonio Margarito of Gemrany DM Roy pretty much cleaned up the lt heavy weight division ..Please let me know when Floyd has even come close to cleaning anything out that didn't have to do with cash and then u can compare the 2 ..And the Roy made several offers to Hopkins 1 on national tv for 6 mil and Hopkisn declined ..Please check your facts playa..

C Money

07-21-2007, 05:21 PM

YOU ARE A COMPLETE IDOITIC FUCKING CORKY ASS SLOW ASS RETARD...CASTILLO WAS A CHAMPION AT LIGHTWEIGHT WHEN HE FOUGHT FLOYD..CORRALES WAS A CHAMPION .BHOP WAS A CONTENDER STILL WORKING HIS WAY UP. NOT THE FIGHTER THAT WE KNOW NOW...TONEY WAS EXCITING AND THE SUPER MIDDLE CHAMP. QUALITY WISE THEY WERE A LITTLE LESS BUT NEITHER WERE NO FUCKING BUMS AND THE TOP DOGS PERIOD...EAT SHIT..WHAT IS FLOYD TO DO ..CREATE A FIGHTER THAT IS BETTER THEN TONEY AT THAT TIME..AND WENT ON TO HAVE GREAT CAREERS AFTER FLOYD JUST LIKE BHOP AND TONEY ALTHOUGH THEY ARE GOING IN THE HALL OF FAME..YOU ARE A FUCKING ARGUING ASS FEMALE..MAKING MUTE DUMB ASS POINTS WHEN YOU LOOK STUPID AS SHIT..THEY WERE EQUAL IN QUALITY AT THE WEIGHT CLASS AND POINT IN THERE CAREERS..

Put the crack pipe down O' shitty one:good Never said Corrales and castillo were bums you pathetic clown:nono But neither compare IN STYLE OR QUALITY to Hopkins or Toney that's as fucking TRUE as it gets. Corrales and Castillo are not defensive styled fighters, they come right at you and stay there. Hops and Tony are excellent defensively and clearly are better fighters than both JLC and DC, that's not disrespect, just truth, something you just cant fucking handle.

As for what Floyd is to do?? Real fucking simple, go clean out 47, and make a statement that he hasnt made at any other weight. He has what would be the four best opponents of his career, in front of him and 3 are prime and undefeated. Like RJJ said, "go fight some live bodies".

As for me and you??:lol: :lol: Shitty you aint on my level, nor any where near it. You're nothing but a loud mouth. racist, piece of shit, trying to talk slick, and sayin NOTHIN!!! You're a joke and the only respect you get is when you look in the mirror. From SSM is a coward who gets down on himself, kostya tszyu never fought anyone, racist ranting bullshit, your ridiculols MMA comments, and now JLC and DC are equal to Hopkins and Toney, you keep showing EVERYONE how much of a uniformed loser you truly are, with a string of nonsensical garbage:yep
Go play with yourself, it's apparently WHAT YOU DO BEST:good

kg0208

07-21-2007, 05:29 PM

Bwhahahahaaha Glass Jaw Roy Jones did not clean out 175 there was one guy he did not fight (the lineal champion) Jones is a Glass Jawed joke who would get knocked out by Hopkins right now that is why we will never see Jones/Hopkins II. Roy needs to stick to fighting the bums he has been fighting, that is all he can beat.

So because he didn't fight one man, he didn't clean out the division? Can you point me in the direction of the fighter in the history of the sport who beat every single good fighter in his weight class? Just so I can get a good idea of where you're coming from....I mean, you must be comparing Jones to SOMEONE to say this.

JMonster

07-21-2007, 06:58 PM

i'm not saying it won't mean NETHING...but it will just get weighed down making it seem like it wasn't a big fight...u have to admit we have heard people say that if a fighter fights a certain fighter than they will get the respect, then when they fight the person and win, they make excuses to make it seem like their win didn't mean much. correct????

samita

07-21-2007, 07:13 PM

Roy Jones answered back to the reports that Floyd Mayweather the current p4p number 1 said when Jones reigned as P4P number 1 he fought police officers and bums, Jones response was not civil " You have to understand that i won 4 titles in 4 different weight classes beat Bernard Hopkins one of the greatest middleweights of all time, Beat James Toney who everyone said was the pound for pound best and would whip me, cleaned out the Light heavyweight divison then went up and whipped John Ruiz, So i fought them in there prime all Floyd did was whip inactive, Past it Oscar so i say to Floyd go and fight some live bodies!!"

roy got him there :bbb

if floyd wants to prove that he's not cherry picking, he can go ahead and fight those who have a chance of beating him like mosley, cotto, or even margarito. Sadly, he seems to be trying to get with hatton who has absolutely no chance.

Axe

07-21-2007, 07:16 PM

So by beating one prime fighter, both of whom may or may not be ATG, he surpasses Jones beating of at least 2 prime ATG? Ok.....I see the logic there.

Their resumes are close as it is. He beat De La Hoya who was far from shot (though admittedly past his prime), Chico who was unbeaten and in his prime, and Castillo, who was also in his prime.

As to "2 prime ATGs" for Roy, I'll have to disagree. Hopkins was hardly in his prime, he was just a contender for a vacant IBF belt, and in fact went on to fight to a draw with gatekeeper Mercado after facing Roy Jones. He was not nearly in his prime as a fighter when he faced Jones, despite his age.

So a big win for Floyd, like Cotto at 147 or Hatton at 140, would imo push him ahead of Jones on the all-time scale.

Axe

07-21-2007, 07:20 PM

Your on crack if you think fighting Hatton surpasses anything Roy has done especially winning a HW title ..When Floyd can come close to doing soemthing like that then you can talk ..And your also make these assumptions on a what if, the fight hasn't even been made w/Hatton yet .

Yes, beating John "the Squeeze" Ruiz was certainly impressive, let's all bow down to Roy Jones now. :roll:

Let's overlook the fact that a fat, 37 year old James Toney handed that very same Ruiz a beating, and even managed to score a KD against him. Yes Toney was on roids, but he only had 6 weeks of training camp for the fight, which was a far more significant factor.

As far as HW titlists go, Ruiz is a straight-up bum; beating De La Hoya was more impressive, considering Floyd started what, 5 divisions lower than 154?

Imperial1

07-21-2007, 08:08 PM

Yes, beating John "the Squeeze" Ruiz was certainly impressive, let's all bow down to Roy Jones now. :roll:

Let's overlook the fact that a fat, 37 year old James Toney handed that very same Ruiz a beating, and even managed to score a KD against him. Yes Toney was on roids, but he only had 6 weeks of training camp for the fight, which was a far more significant factor.

As far as HW titlists go, Ruiz is a straight-up bum; beating De La Hoya was more impressive, considering Floyd started what, 5 divisions lower than 154?

Beating Delahoya was more impressive? I see beating Oscar barley at the tail end of his career is more impressive then Jones coming from middle weight all the way to heavy to win a world title ..You must also be impressed with the way heinz ketchup poors over hunts ketchup ..An as far as Toney doing the same thing against Ruiz ,here's a question how long after Jones beat him did Toney get a shot ?If anything Jones's win over Toney is ten times more impressive than anyone Floyd beat and thats a fact ..

C Money

07-21-2007, 08:22 PM

Beating Delahoya was more impressive? I see beating Oscar barley at the tail end of his career is more impressive then Jones coming from middle weight all the way to heavy to win a world title ..You must also be impressed with the way heinz ketchup poors over hunts ketchup ..An as far as Toney doing the same thing against Ruiz ,here's a question how long after Jones beat him did Toney get a shot ?If anything Jones's win over Toney is ten times more impressive than anyone Floyd beat and thats a fact ..

I'm not trying to shit on Roy, going HW and getting a win is an accomplishment, but Louise stinks always has and will. Toney did the same thing and it wasnt Roids(even though it tainted JT's win), it was skill for both RJJ and Toney that carried them over Jane Louise.

I would agree that DLH even at the end is the better skilled fighter and would take that win over Ruiz. I cant stand PBF so I'm not trying to play favorite's. DLH is P4P the far better boxer/fighter out of DLH and Louise:yep

BTW, Heinz taste's better!!!! SInce I'm from Pittsburgh and so is Heinz, you can say that's playing favorites:lol: , though I genuinely prefer the tast of Heinz:good

Toopretty

07-21-2007, 08:31 PM

Put the crack pipe down O' shitty one:good Never said Corrales and castillo were bums you pathetic clown:nono But neither compare IN STYLE OR QUALITY to Hopkins or Toney that's as fucking TRUE as it gets. Corrales and Castillo are not defensive styled fighters, they come right at you and stay there. Hops and Tony are excellent defensively and clearly are better fighters than both JLC and DC, that's not disrespect, just truth, something you just cant fucking handle.

As for what Floyd is to do?? Real fucking simple, go clean out 47, and make a statement that he hasnt made at any other weight. He has what would be the four best opponents of his career, in front of him and 3 are prime and undefeated. Like RJJ said, "go fight some live bodies".

As for me and you??:lol: :lol: Shitty you aint on my level, nor any where near it. You're nothing but a loud mouth. racist, piece of shit, trying to talk slick, and sayin NOTHIN!!! You're a joke and the only respect you get is when you look in the mirror. From SSM is a coward who gets down on himself, kostya tszyu never fought anyone, racist ranting bullshit, your ridiculols MMA comments, and now JLC and DC are equal to Hopkins and Toney, you keep showing EVERYONE how much of a uniformed loser you truly are, with a string of nonsensical garbage:yep

Go play with yourself, it's apparently WHAT YOU DO BEST:good

Hey C(cunt)-(clown ass dash)money(broke-back)
I talk slick shit...what the fuck are you talking about you whining monkey ass clown ass pittsburgh residing ass clown.. I said that DC and JLC were the same level of comp for floyd to fight they were both top fighters just like JT Bhop was damned for sure not on that level yet. He was not as good as he was later. He was younger but not as skilled period. Floyd fought young in there prime fighters just as much as Roy..and won all of the fights..just like Roy..Both did the same shit at the same point in there careers you monkey shit..I aint no Roy hater...You were you faggot but all roy haters converted to Floydhaterism. And that is fucking fact you pburgh SUPER KOON shut the fuck up you fake ass Visicious Boxer probably looking like motherfucker..lol You aint win shit...floyd aint fight in his prime fighters and I just named 3..Bhop was no fucking legendary fighter when roy fought him, he was another prospect that was looking for his first belt....Castillo and Corrales didnt have the best defense..but damned for sure had the offense. So go figure... Dumb ass cornball.. Fucking pittsburgh dude trying to talk slick shit..I never .....:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Axe

07-21-2007, 08:31 PM

Beating Delahoya was more impressive? I see beating Oscar barley at the tail end of his career is more impressive then Jones coming from middle weight all the way to heavy to win a world title ..You must also be impressed with the way heinz ketchup poors over hunts ketchup ..An as far as Toney doing the same thing against Ruiz ,here's a question how long after Jones beat him did Toney get a shot ?If anything Jones's win over Toney is ten times more impressive than anyone Floyd beat and thats a fact ..

Yes, the Toney win (if we ignore Toney's highly publicized struggles to make weight) is, on paper, more impressive than any single win on Floyd's resume. But that doesn't necessarily mean that Roy has (or from my point of view, would have) the better resume.

Take an example: Shane Mosley's win over a prime Oscar at 147 was more imrpessive than any one of PBF's wins as well, but according to a thread we just had a few days ago, people still think PBF's resume is significantly superior. I'm a big Mosley fan myself and I'd have to agree.

So I stand by my original statement: if Floyd comes up big against another P4P level champion in his prime, I'll rank him above Roy Jones all time.

Imperial1

07-21-2007, 08:34 PM

I'm not trying to shit on Roy, going HW and getting a win is an accomplishment, but Louise stinks always has and will. Toney did the same thing and it wasnt Roids(even though it tainted JT's win), it was skill for both RJJ and Toney that carried them over Jane Louise.

I would agree that DLH even at the end is the better skilled fighter and would take that win over Ruiz. I cant stand PBF so I'm not trying to play favorite's. DLH is P4P the far better boxer/fighter out of DLH and Louise:yep

BTW, Heinz taste's better!!!! SInce I'm from Pittsburgh and so is Heinz, you can say that's playing favorites:lol: , though I genuinely prefer the tast of Heinz:good

Calling Ruiz a bum is nothing new ..But if its that simple to beat a heavy coming from where Roy came i'm certain more boxers would have been able to do it ..And I whole heartidly disagree beating Oscar barely at this stage is not even close to impressive as fighting Ruiz at least we can say John was closer to being prime than Oscar !

lol Heinz for me as well and I'm from Jersey :lol:

Though I do agree that P4P wise Oscar is better than Ruiz but Oscar hasn't been P4P since his days at welter ..I think its more dangerous to be fighting a heavy weight than a blown up welter coming off a 1 yr layoff ..

Toopretty

07-21-2007, 08:48 PM

C Money

07-21-2007, 08:50 PM

Hey C(cunt)-(clown ass dash)money(broke-back)
I talk slick shit...what the fuck are you talking about you whining monkey ass clown ass pittsburgh residing ass clown.. I said that DC and JLC were the same level of comp for floyd to fight they were both top fighters just like JT Bhop was damned for sure not on that level yet. He was not as good as he was later. He was younger but not as skilled period. Floyd fought young in there prime fighters just as much as Roy..and won all of the fights..just like Roy..Both did the same shit at the same point in there careers you monkey shit..I aint no Roy hater...You were you faggot but all roy haters converted to Floydhaterism. And that is fucking fact you pburgh SUPER KOON shut the fuck up you fake ass Visicious Boxer probably looking like motherfucker..lol You aint win shit...floyd aint fight in his prime fighters and I just named 3..Bhop was no fucking legendary fighter when roy fought him, he was another prospect that was looking for his first belt....Castillo and Corrales didnt have the best defense..but damned for sure had the offense. So go figure... Dumb ass cornball.. Fucking pittsburgh dude trying to talk slick shit..I never .....:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

You just got that good jerk, didnt ya?? Another hit from the pipe, and POOKIE's refreshed and ready to babble on some more:lol:

Notice how you keep trying to shit on Pittsburgh?? yet another indication of limited ass mind. You judge an entire city on my posts:lol: Thank god Baltimore isnt completely full of crackhead ass punk's like yourself.

Keep it up Pook, you're ramblings are entertaining and you're putting on a good show as the Craked Out Clown Prince of ESB.

BTW?? You keep calling me a KOON?? How fucking funny is that?? When I'm white and Koon(correctly spelled Coon) is most often known as derogatory slang against blacks:yep You should at least being calling me a ******* ass cracka with your retarded, racist ass , mentality. :lol:

Someone get Hartley's number quick, I think we just found VB's opponent:D "Do you think he's playin wit U"???:lol: :lol: :lol: Go get em Pook:good

C Money

07-21-2007, 08:53 PM

Calling Ruiz a bum is nothing new ..But if its that simple to beat a heavy coming from where Roy came i'm certain more boxers would have been able to do it ..And I whole heartidly disagree beating Oscar barely at this stage is not even close to impressive as fighting Ruiz at least we can say John was closer to being prime than Oscar !

lol Heinz for me as well and I'm from Jersey :lol:

Though I do agree that P4P wise Oscar is better than Ruiz but Oscar hasn't been P4P since his days at welter ..I think its more dangerous to be fighting a heavy weight than a blown up welter coming off a 1 yr layoff ..

I didnt mean it was a P4P win. i was just comparing P4P between DLH and Louise. Again, I didnt shit on Roy's accomplishment, I just believe DLH was the more skilled opponent and harder victory.

C Money

07-21-2007, 08:55 PM

oscar was in the part of the best shape of his career that floyd fight..he looked good and had a good training camp..fighters like Oscar were worse fighters in there prime..he was A ONE HANDED FIGHTER HIS WHOLE PRIME as the years went on his right hand became good and well used.. He landed it on Floyd a few times..and Mayorga..

Strike up another classic!! We're supposed to put more stock in PBF's win over DLH than SSM's Prime win???:lol: :lol: :lol:

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

You just got 3 for 60, huh???

Toopretty

07-21-2007, 09:01 PM

You just got that good jerk, didnt ya?? Another hit from the pipe, and POOKIE's refreshed and ready to babble on some more:lol:

Notice how you keep trying to shit on Pittsburgh?? yet another indication of limited ass mind. You judge an entire city on my posts:lol: Thank god Baltimore isnt completely full of crackhead ass punk's like yourself.

Keep it up Pook, you're ramblings are entertaining and you're putting on a good show as the Craked Out Clown Prince of ESB.

BTW?? You keep calling me a KOON?? How fucking funny is that?? When I'm white and Koon(correctly spelled Coon) is most often known as derogatory slang against blacks:yep You should at least being calling me a ******* ass cracka with your retarded, racist ass , mentality. :lol:

Someone get Hartley's number quick, I think we just found VB's opponent:D "Do you think he's playin wit U"???:lol: :lol: :lol: Go get em Pook:good

Nah this is Baltimore..and we dont like pittsburgh...But a fake bitchism like yourself wouldnt know that...And crack...you white crackheads reign supreme..You METH Head..lol..a duhhhhhh...a duhhh...i like goldfish....aduhhhh.. Fuck pittsburgh...And again this is baltimore...we call EVERYBODY KOONS.... and there is no proper way to spell a word that aint a word..dumb shit...that is pure slang....Im pooky ...lol then you are One of our EXTRA WHITE Herion fiends in south baltimore..Aint no crackheads no more..lol where the fuck you been at...Its Heroin addicts in Bmore..get your drugs right..If was on heroin..my hands would be on too much of swole to type this shit..lol..You aint saying shit..You are getting your shit fucked up by others then me..You Meth-head KOON....with a K..lol :hi::hi::hi:

Toopretty

07-21-2007, 09:05 PM

Nah this is Baltimore..and we dont like pittsburgh...But a fake bitchism like yourself wouldnt know that...And crack...you white crackheads reign supreme..You METH Head..lol..a duhhhhhh...a duhhh...i like goldfish....aduhhhh.. Fuck pittsburgh...And again this is baltimore...we call EVERYBODY KOONS.... and there is no proper way to spell a word that aint a word..dumb shit...that is pure slang....Im pooky ...lol then you are One of our EXTRA WHITE Herion fiends in south baltimore..Aint no crackheads no more..lol where the fuck you been at...Its Heroin addicts in Bmore..get your drugs right..If was on heroin..my hands would be on too much of swole to type this shit..lol..You aint saying shit..You are getting your shit fucked up by others then me..You Meth-head KOON....with a K..lol :hi::hi::hi:

Mother fucking Meth-head vicious boxer looking motherfucker..fucking tucked in Pittsburgh steeler jersey with tight ass jeans type KOON. :dead:dead:dead:admin:admin:admin:admin lool

Toopretty

07-21-2007, 09:07 PM

Fights on..fuck you Cunt-money.lol

C Money

07-22-2007, 04:36 AM

Fights on..fuck you Cunt-money.lol

You take retarded bitch to a whole new level.:good

You know shit about boxing and all of you're illustrious statements prove it!! You are a true bitch and that shows in the nature of you're responses.

You speak for all of Baltimore???:lol: :lol: :lol:

:finger :finger :finger :finger

You stupid, cracked out, racist, punk ass, fucking RETARD. I'd have you serving you're cunt and bringing me my $$$$$$$$:lol: :yep :yep :yep

Smazz20

07-22-2007, 07:04 AM

RJJ career is almost at an end. Unless he can pull off a couple of miracles and beat both Hopkins and the winner of Calzaghe-Kessler. Then he will jump up the p4p all time rankings. Highly unlikely though.

Mayweather has it all to do. At the moment i'd have Jones ahead of him. But Mayweather has umpteen opponents left. Keep in mind, all the talk about how Mayweather has the physical attributes of Jones but he also brings the fundamentals, meaning he can fight way past his physical best. In that case, FMJ, could fight on for another 6-7 years. He may be beaten, but he has a chance to really shine and prove to us how good he is.

Hatton, Mosley and Cotto are the 3 main fights for him. Beat all them and he's a legend. Then you have Williams, Cintron, Margarito, Malignaggi, Collazo etc etc, just to further boost his resume.

It's there for the taking.

Fab2333

07-26-2007, 08:29 PM

Glen Kelly is the aborigine... And no, he did have no job outside of boxing.

He certainly wasn't a world-beater, but he was the IBF mandatory. Undefeated. And had wins, as you said, over Sam Soliman and John Mugabi.

Was a Bruseless, Sosa type fighter. How Roy made him look is what he did to all fighters of that quality.:good

MSTR

07-26-2007, 08:40 PM

kg0208

07-26-2007, 08:46 PM

Their resumes are close as it is. He beat De La Hoya who was far from shot (though admittedly past his prime), Chico who was unbeaten and in his prime, and Castillo, who was also in his prime.

As to "2 prime ATGs" for Roy, I'll have to disagree. Hopkins was hardly in his prime, he was just a contender for a vacant IBF belt, and in fact went on to fight to a draw with gatekeeper Mercado after facing Roy Jones. He was not nearly in his prime as a fighter when he faced Jones, despite his age.

So a big win for Floyd, like Cotto at 147 or Hatton at 140, would imo push him ahead of Jones on the all-time scale.

You can disagree as much as you like. But if you are going to count Castillo and Corrales, I am most certainly going to toss in Virgil Hill, who is greater than they are by far based on accomplishments. Not to mention he beat a HW beltholder. Their resumes aren't actually all that close.

Fab2333

07-26-2007, 08:50 PM

You can disagree as much as you like. But if you are going to count Castillo and Corrales, I am most certainly going to toss in Virgil Hill, who is greater than they are by far based on accomplishments. Not to mention he beat a HW beltholder. Their resumes aren't actually all that close.

yup, people always try to bash RJ for allegedly fighting bums, but yet no1 can list the bums he fought. ANd the alleged bums he fought were ex champions are were all top 10 contenders.

C.J.Rock

07-26-2007, 09:52 PM

Mind Reader

07-26-2007, 10:38 PM

You can disagree as much as you like. But if you are going to count Castillo and Corrales, I am most certainly going to toss in Virgil Hill, who is greater than they are by far based on accomplishments. Not to mention he beat a HW beltholder. Their
resumes aren't actually all that close.

Its funny you don't hear much about Roy beating Virgil, for some reason Roy haters always leave that one out. Roy crushed him with a single body shot, that was an amazing victory.

Lar Janus

07-26-2007, 11:21 PM

Say what you will about RJJ, at least HE didn't need gifts like PBF got against JLC and ODLH.

Lance_Uppercut

07-26-2007, 11:24 PM

Say what you will about RJJ, at least HE didn't need gifts like PBF got against JLC and ODLH.

C'mon man, i'm supposedly the biggest Floyd hater here (a term that has NO Meaning whatsoever BTW...), but there's no doubt Floyd won.

kg0208

07-27-2007, 12:25 AM

Who was the aussie guy that worked as a garbage collector that Jones "fought" in a PPV no less??

It wasn't an Aussie. It was Gonzalez....he was a garbage collector in his spare time before his fight with Jones. He was also a top 10 Ring LHW, unbeaten, and future Lineal and WBO champion. And it wasn't on PPV. Most of Jones fights pre Ruiz were on HBO for free.

Lance_Uppercut

07-27-2007, 12:54 AM

It wasn't an Aussie. It was Gonzalez....he was a garbage collector in his spare time before his fight with Jones. He was also a top 10 Ring LHW, unbeaten, and future Lineal and WBO champion. And it wasn't on PPV. Most of Jones fights pre Ruiz were on HBO for free.

Gonzales also beat the guy everyone said Jones was ducking.

Mind Reader

07-27-2007, 02:44 AM

Gonzales also beat the guy everyone said Jones was ducking.

Its funny too that Jones is critisized the most for that, to me I think it is more on DM, who refused to fight Roy anywhere other than his homeland. If he wanted to be the true champ, he should have come over here to face Jones... Jones was clearly the best fighter in the world at the time, and honestly I think Roy would have won by unanimous pretty easily. Thats not a fight in which i thought Roy would have been tested like others think. I don't think DM really wanted to fight all that much. You also gotta cut some credit to Roy, he was apart of one of the biggest robberys of all time, that would haunt me for life about going overseas also i think.:yep

samita

07-27-2007, 03:36 AM

C'mon man, i'm supposedly the biggest Floyd hater here (a term that has NO Meaning whatsoever BTW...), but there's no doubt Floyd won.

he didn't beat castillo the first time :nono

Cabannaro

07-27-2007, 04:15 AM

Say what you will about RJJ, at least HE didn't need gifts like PBF got against JLC and ODLH.
If it were gifts, what about 1st Tarver fight? :think

Cabannaro

07-27-2007, 04:30 AM

ANd the alleged bums he fought were ex champions are were all top 10 contenders.
Being a top-ten contender doesn't necessarily mean not being bum. Even mandatory can be bum, Hence Cosme Rivera vs Judah. Even a champ can be a bum, why not?

Scar

07-27-2007, 06:06 AM

Floyd already tried to fight Hatton and Cotto but both weren't ready at the time and Hatton is still not ready and might never be.

Scar

07-27-2007, 06:07 AM

he didn't beat castillo the first time :nono

It was a close fight that could've gone either way, similar to Hopkins/Taylor 1. Wouldn't be pissed if they gave it to either Castillo or Mayweather.

Titan1

07-27-2007, 08:32 AM

Fab2333

07-27-2007, 09:49 AM

Being a top-ten contender doesn't necessarily mean not being bum. Even mandatory can be bum, Hence Cosme Rivera vs Judah. Even a champ can be a bum, why not?

To Me Roy was just ahead of his time period. There was no person back then that could have beaten him. He came into the sport at a time where he didnt have the peers to give him the most impressive resume.
I wish RJ was younger and was coming into boxing around now way more competition for him.
I hear what you saying. But i dont understand the scrutiny he gets, when he damn near woops all his challengers. Mind you these are either #1 contenders or mandatories, ex champions. All at least in the top 10.

Thread Stealer

07-27-2007, 12:18 PM

I dont think Roy said this. That quote looks like something a Roy nutthugger would say.

And even if all that was true, what PBF said about Roy was DEFINATLY true as well.

He fought Hops and Toney in in 92-93 and since then has fought nothing but bums and past-it fighters. He did not clean out the lhw division, he ducked DM. And he took on the weakest heavyweight beltholder in the division, and no one thought Ruiz could beat Roy, everyone knew Ruiz was tailor made for him.

Roy is full of shit, him and PBF are cut from the same cloth.

Tarver was in his prime and Roy FAIRLY won the first fight.

Thread Stealer

07-27-2007, 12:20 PM

While i respect Roy's skills, you have to admit that there was a time in his career while he was prime, that he was facing garbage men, school teachers, police officers, etc. I remember getting all excited for his bout, only to find out that he was facing some part-time boxer who held a 9-5.

Well boxing is not exactly a high paying job unless you're at the top. Guys having other jobs is nothing new. With the exception of Michalczeswki (which hurts Roy's standing), Roy beat most of the contenders/titlists at light heavyweight. All the guys he beat were top 10 contenders in The Ring, it was part of the HBO contract.

His short time @ 168 hurts his standing more, since there were a lot of quality guys there.

kg0208

07-27-2007, 12:33 PM

While i respect Roy's skills, you have to admit that there was a time in his career while he was prime, that he was facing garbage men, school teachers, police officers, etc. I remember getting all excited for his bout, only to find out that he was facing some part-time boxer who held a 9-5.

He never faced a school teacher or a fighter with a 9-5 record in his prime. This is how things get exxagerrated.

And the Garbage man has already been explained....he was an unbeaten top 10 fighter who would later on win the Lineal title. So he wasn't a bum.

As to the guy who asks can't top 10 fighters or champions be bums? Not in my estimation. Bums are the guys with 7-22 records journeyman beat up on.

kg0208

07-27-2007, 01:58 PM

He DID fight a school teacher, it is not an exageration, I saw the fight when it was 1st shown. I cant remeber the guys name, but it was one of the many garbage fights that Roy had that turned me off of him for good. The guy was simply star struck while he was fighting Roy, and he kept giving Roy dap everytime Roy landed a good shot on him, it was ridiculous.

The guys was not only a teacher, but he was a substitute teacher, so not only was he a bum in the ring; but he was a bum in the classroom as well.

I am not aware of the school teacher. And until you bring up a name, I won't believe you, for obvious reasons.

Even if he did fight one, it was certainly a top 10 Ring ranked LHW. I know this because I know the ones who weren't ranked that he fought. On top of this, as has been pointed out to you and others, MOST fighters have part time jobs until they make it big. And they are certainly not all bums.

Was Johnson a bum because of his part time job? He beat both Jones AND Tarver.

Smazz20

07-27-2007, 02:05 PM

It wasn't Glen Johnson fuck face!!!

And Glen Johnson was a Electrician.

Just so I can get this through my head. I know you dislike Jones, maybe even hate him, but do you actually/honestly believe that Tarver is better than him?

Feel free to give me a reply that dosen't involve saying Tarver 2-1 Jones.

Thread Stealer

07-27-2007, 02:21 PM

I remember Glen Johnson also saying he worked in construction.

kg0208

07-27-2007, 09:31 PM

Glen Johnson was also a beltholder at the time he and Roy fought.

The point is Roy took on alot of bums during that time after '93, it doesn't matter that the guys had jobs or not, there were better fights for Roy to take besides those guys. But Roy purposely chose to scrap the bottom of the barrel just to get a warm body in the ring with him so he could collect a check.

So it doesn't matter what they were ranked by Ring or what they had accomplished....it only matters that you think they were bums.

Well, as I have always told you, if Jones was so bad, then Tarver gets little to no credit for beating such a low class fighter. So why do you like him?

Fab2333

07-27-2007, 09:52 PM

Yes, I do.

He beat him 3x in a row, how much more convincing do you need?

he won 2wice ina row not three times. And hes not better than RJ. It was just like the Spurs and Cav's.
During the season the Cav's smacked the Spurs evrytime they played. And in the championship I dont think the spurs did much, they put all 5 on lebron but other than that, if the team would have hit all the wide open 3's they had they would have won the game. With that being said, jus b/c the Spurs won the championship, i dont think they were necessarily better than the Cav's. The Cav's jus didnt apply themself like how they were suppose 2. If 1/2 of the open 3's they took went in, the spurs would have gottern swept.
And its the same thing with RJ and Tarver. RJ got the skills to woop Tarver. Its evident evrytime they fought. RJ jus didnt "do him" he was boxing scared. IN the 3rd fight, whenever RJ threw his punches he was wooping Tarver ass. But as soon as he let Tarver back him into the ropes is when he starts losing. IN round 5 when RJ actually fought tarver off the ropes, he was f***ing tarver up. He hurt Tarver in that round, but backed off. Tarver know he aint better than RJ in his heart. Some people jus get lucky breaks sometimes.
People say Raja Bell is the "KOBE STOPPER" are you mad lol. Kobe would starch that kid. But jus b/c Kobe may have an off night once or twice against him, that doesnt make Raja bell better.