Evander Holyfield .Vs. Floyd Patterson

[la-califa]

This would be a good match up. Simular size, good boxing skills each. Maybe a slight speed edge to Patterson. Heavyweight fight. 15 rounds.

[Maxmomer]

Patterson has the edge in speed, Holyfield might have the edge in power, and a huge edge in durability/chin. I think it'd be a close fight until Holyfield scores a TKO late.

[mr. magoo]

I don't see Patterson being much of a problem for Holyfield, or at least not at HW. Had they fought perhaps at cruiserweight, a more experienced Patterson who was well accustomed to fighting at those weight perameters ( 190ish ), would have given a developing Holyfield some problems. Against the version of Holyfield anytime between 1988-1993 however, I'd take Holy by a convincing KO win. He was just too well developed physically, and had the skills along with the durability to overwhelm Floyd.

[la-califa]

Don't base Floyd's whole career on the Liston Kayo's. He has fast hands, good boxing ability & tons of heart. He went twelve with Ali, with a broken back. Good power, had that crushing knock out of Johansson, leaving his leg twitcing. I'm not sure how'd he do against Holyfield, But I think it would be far from an easy will for Evander.

[mcvey]

This would be a good match up. Simular size, good boxing skills each. Maybe a slight speed edge to Patterson. Heavyweight fight. 15 rounds.
At heavyweight Holyfield has clear size advantage 2 1/2 inches in height and over 20lbs in weight,he is more durable and suffers in comparison only in the hand speed department,I think he stops Floyd late around the 10th rd.

[ChrisPontius]

He went twelve with Ali, with a broken back.


:lol:

[la-califa]

:lol: It's a fact.

[la-califa]

Although I think Ali carried him, dishing out the punishment because Patterson was referring to him as "Clay". It was one of Ali's less popular victories.

[Muchmoore]

It's a fact.

Was it spinaaaaaaallllllll?

[slicksouthpaw16]

Holyfield would stop Patterson late in a somewhat competitive fight. Patterson would give Holyfield a fight with his handspeed, boxing ability and puching power, but Patterson is at a disadvantage in everything. It would only be a matter of time until Evander starts to show his speed and accurate volume punching and imploy his size on the smaller Patterson and mentally and physically break him down. Holyfield by late stoppage.

[Longhhorn71]

Was it spinaaaaaaallllllll?

More like a "wrenched" back than a "broken" back.

Kinda like when you reach down to pick up a heavy item
from a bad position.....and that pain comes .....and you say
"uh-oh" I just fouled up.

And Patterson fought Ali....the best Hvywt. in the world, with that
type of bad back.

Ali tortured the poor guy.

[mcvey]

More like a "wrenched" back than a "broken" back.

Kinda like when you reach down to pick up a heavy item
from a bad position.....and that pain comes .....and you say
"uh-oh" I just fouled up.

And Patterson fought Ali....the best Hvywt. in the world, with that
type of bad back.

Ali tortured the poor guy.
Actually it was "Clay" ,as Floyd called him that did the torturing,hence the reason for it.

[la-califa]

Actually it was "Clay" ,as Floyd called him that did the torturing,hence the reason for it. Ali did the same to Ernie Terrell, But in between combinations, Ali would stop & yell out to Terrell"What's my Name?" & hit him again. That was a terrible beating...

[mcvey]

Ali did the same to Ernie Terrell, But in between combinations, Ali would stop & yell out to Terrell"What's my Name?" & hit him again. That was a terrible beating...
I know ,I'm 60 ,I think he could have stopped Terrell ,Im not sure he carried Patterson,he denied it and Floyd went on record,after fighting him twice,as saying he can't punch.

[la-califa]

I know he later denied it, But prior to the fight Ali was upset & stated he would "Whup Patterson 'till he called him by his proper name."

[Muchmoore]

Good fight but Holyfield was a little better. Way more durable, better technique and defense, maybe better two fisted power. I think he would be able to outwork Patterson and rough him up to win on a close but clear decision.

[El Matador]

I like the explosion of interest concerning Floyd Patterson, one of my favorite boxers.

But in a match-up against Holyfield, I think Floyd would have too much to overcome. Holyfield jab's was probably just as good, though Patterson was better at doubling up on it. Patterson's only real advantage here would be his hand-speed and defense. But with Holyfield's experience, grit, and determination, I think Holyfield would be able to break Patterson's guard, take over by the seventh or eighth round, and probably top him around the ninth or tenth round.

It would be a real war, because neither fighter like to back up, but I think Holyfield would find more sucess on the inside, and that would be the key. He was stronger, too.

Holyfield TKO10 Patterson

[Blacc Jesus]

Holyfield in 8.

[BIG DEE]

BIG DEE HERE= Patterson had a ruptured disk caused by an accident two days before the fight in 1965. Floyd and his brother Ray were fooling around
when Ray fell into Floyd driving his back into the corner of a juke box that was sitting behind Floyd. Floyd went to the floor in pain and the camp went into panic as Floyd was fucked up. Being two days before the fight it couldn`t be call off and he went ahead it. His back responded to treatment
as they thought it was just a pull or something but it wasn`t as they found
out too late. In the first round Floyd went to duck under a jab and his back locked up on him. Floyd said later that the pain was like someone had stabbed him in the back with a knife and he had Ali standing in front of him ready to knock his head off. IF YOU WATCH THE FIGHT FLOYD`S CORNER
KEEPS LIFTING HIM UNDER THE ARMS AND JERKING HIM TO TRY TO POP HIS BACK INTO PLACE BUT IT WOULDN`T WORK BECAUSE OF THE PHYSICAL DAMAGE TO THE DISK. HOLYFIELD HAS TO GET PATTERSON EARLY OR HE GETS KOed THE FUCK OUT AS HOLYFIELD LEADS WITH HIS CHIN. IF BURT COOPER COULD KO HIM PATTERSON COULD. I DON`T WANT TO HEAR THAT COOPER DIDN`T KO HOLYFIELD BECAUSE HE DID. MILLS LANE THE STINKING COMPANY MAN DID EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER TO SAVE HOLYFIELD IN HIS HOMETOWN OF ATLANTA. BERT COOPER WAS JOBBED, ROBBED AND SCREWED IN THE ASS BY MILLS LANE. PATTERSON HIT A LOT HARDER THAN BURT COOPER. EVERYBODY WHO COULD PUNCH REMOTELY HARD HURT HOLYFIELD WHILE HOLYFIELD WAS A GOOD BUT NOT OVERLY HARD HITTER
AS HE KOed FEW MEN AFTER HE WENT TO HEAVYWEIGHT.

[fists of fury]

PATTERSON HIT A LOT HARDER THAN BURT COOPER. EVERYBODY WHO COULD PUNCH REMOTELY HARD HURT HOLYFIELD WHILE HOLYFIELD WAS A GOOD BUT NOT OVERLY HARD HITTER
AS HE KOed FEW MEN AFTER HE WENT TO HEAVYWEIGHT.

I was enjoying your post until this bit. Sorry, but I can't agree. Bert could whack and he caught Holyfield with a perfect right hand.
Riddick Bowe, a big hitter, hit Evander at will a few times and in three fights only kept him down once. Tyson hit Holy with some big shots and Evander didn't go down or look like going down. Lewis fought him twice and never looked like knocking him out. Moorer was another big puncher who didn't have Evander in any distress. Mercer was a solid hitter who did nothing against him either. Ditto Foreman.
If you think about it, Evander probably faced more big punchers than anyone in history, even more than Ali did.
I think it's safe to say Evander had an iron chin.

His power is also quite underrated. He didn't have one-punch KO power against the better heavyweights but his punches were crisp and sharp and he punched precisely and in volume.

[Holmes' Jab]

Patterson might have some early success and maybe take a few rounds, but will ultimately be worn down and stopped during the mid-later rounds. Holyfield: plain too much workrate down the stretch.

Holyfield TKO11.

[Mendoza]

I don't see Patterson being much of a problem for Holyfield, or at least not at HW. Had they fought perhaps at cruiserweight, a more experienced Patterson who was well accustomed to fighting at those weight perameters ( 190ish ), would have given a developing Holyfield some problems. Against the version of Holyfield anytime between 1988-1993 however, I'd take Holy by a convincing KO win. He was just too well developed physically, and had the skills along with the durability to overwhelm Floyd.

This is how I see it. Barring an off night where Holyfield blames a health problem for the loss, its his fight to lose.

[rekcutnevets]

If the fight were to happen versus a pre-Bowe Holyfield, Patterson wins by decision. Maybe even stoppage. Holyfield was too eager to trade at that stage, and less interested in following a sound fight plan. That fact was evident against Dokes, Bowe, and especially Cooper. If Holyfield fought Patterson the way he fought Cooper, Evander would be in for a long night. Patterson's handspeed would be too much on the inside.

Post Bowe I Holyfield was a smarter fighter, and knew the value of strategy. I can see this Holyfield using his legs a bit more, and stopping Patterson in the mid-later rounds.

[mr. magoo]

If the fight were to happen versus a pre-Bowe Holyfield, Patterson wins by decision. Maybe even stoppage. Holyfield was too eager to trade at that stage, and less interested in following a sound fight plan. That fact was evident against Dokes, Bowe, and especially Cooper. If Holyfield fought Patterson the way he fought Cooper, Evander would be in for a long night. Patterson's handspeed would be too much on the inside.

Post Bowe I Holyfield was a smarter fighter, and knew the value of strategy. I can see this Holyfield using his legs a bit more, and stopping Patterson in the mid-later rounds.

Bert Cooper was a last minute resplacement for Francesco Damiani, who in turn was a last minute replacement for Tyson. Holyfield's opponent changed about 3 different times within a 4 week period or something to that effect. Additionally, Cooper was in outstanding physical shape, coming off a good win streak, and cought an unsuspecting Holyfield. If you're going to use single examples of Evander getting rocked or floored, then I encourage you to look at some of patterson's performances. That man spent more time on the deck than a naval officer. He was dropped by a debuting Rademacher in the second round of their match. He was floored by Roy Harris who had all but 9 Ko's in 31 career wins. He was floored some 9 times in three fights with Johanson. He was put on the deck a few times by Quarry . None of these men were terribly big punchers, except for Perhaps Johanson who killed him, and I'm not even sure if he hit as hard as Cooper. Frankly, I don't see how the Bert Cooper fight has any relevance when looking at the other side of the picture.

[rekcutnevets]

Holyfield had been preparing for Tyson for the majority of training camp. Damiani was only his scheduled opponent for about a week or two. His training camp was 12 weeks long. If he wasn't prepared to face a pressure fighter after 10 weeks of training then he would never be prepared for Cooper.

I'm not looking for examples of Evander getting rocked or floored. I'm looking for examples of Evander throwing his fight plan out the window. He did just that in the fights I mentioned. The only time, pre-Bowe, that I can recall his following a plan after being rocked was against Foreman.

I think Patterson had faster hands, and would beat Evander to the punch on the inside at that stage of his career.

Besides, when did Evander ever look good against a smaller opponent at heavyweight?

[Quick Cash]

That man spent more time on the deck than a naval officer.

Clever :lol:

[mr. magoo]

[quote=rekcutnevets]Holyfield had been preparing for Tyson for the majority of training camp. Damiani was only his scheduled opponent for about a week or two. His training camp was 12 weeks long. If he wasn't prepared to face a pressure fighter after 10 weeks of training then he would never be prepared for Cooper.

I'm not looking for examples of Evander getting rocked or floored. I'm looking for examples of Evander throwing his fight plan out the window. He did just that in the fights I mentioned. The only time, pre-Bowe, that I can recall his following a plan after being rocked was against Foreman.

I think Patterson had faster hands, and would beat Evander to the punch on the inside at that stage of his career.

He never really fought that many men who were smaller, which is partly the point. He was constantly fighting men who were bigger, stronger, and sometimes even younger. Despite this, he managed to KO quite a few quality heavyweights, and avoided being floored or stopped by a fair few. Patterson was just too vulnerable in my opinion. I could see him beating Evander at cruiserweight, or perhaps even the late version who fought Lewis and Ruiz, but an early 90's rendition would have fucked Patterson up in my opinion.

[mr. magoo]

Clever :lol:

Thanks, I kinda liked it myself..:lol:

[SuzieQ49]

Patterson was floored by guys like harris, radamacher, mcneeley due to being off balance. he wasnt hurt at all . why do you think harder punchers like moore and hurricane jackson were unable to floor floyd?

[mr. magoo]

Patterson was floored by guys like harris, radamacher, mcneeley due to being off balance. he wasnt hurt at all . why do you think harder punchers like moore and hurricane jackson were unable to floor floyd?

Uh, maybe because they no longer had the ability to hit him? Do you think Patterson would go 12 or 15 rounds with a boxer like Spinks, who had a fair reach, speed and skill and never get tagged?

[SuzieQ49]

Uh, maybe because they no longer had the ability to hit him?


what is that supposed to mean?


Do you think Patterson would go 12 or 15 rounds with a boxer like Spinks, who had a fair reach, speed and skill and never get tagged?


I dont think Spinx would see round 7 vs Patterson, but thats a different thread. If it did get 15, Spinx may floor patterson but it took a great heavyweight finisher to keep him there.

[mr. magoo]

what is that supposed to mean?




I dont think Spinx would see round 7 vs Patterson, but thats a different thread. If it did get 15, Spinx may floor patterson but it took a great heavyweight finisher to keep him there.

My initial prediction was a Spinks decision or late round stoppage, which I feel is a reasonable outcome to surmise.

[SuzieQ49]

I hate to bring up the irrelevant tyson fight, but if u watch those 91 seconds you will see spinx seemed very confused by the Peek A Boo style. This may play a big factor.

[Quick Cash]

Evander was a different class of fighter. I predict that if they were to meet, Holyfield would pitch an impressive showing, KO'ing Patterson eventually somewhere between 6-12.

I like Patterson over Spinks. I think Patterson could possibly KO Mike Spinks based on their styles. It would be difficult, however, as this is as close as it gets on this level. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Spinks found a way to overcome certain stylistic disadvantages. The herky jerky could work against Patterson also, so there's no guarantee one way or other.

Tommy Jackson was more comedian than boxer. He had good stamina, but that was, basically, the length of it.

[NickHudson]

I think its a bit much to say Holyfield was a different class of fighter than Patterson.

Granted, Patterson got blown out by prime Liston twice.

But over the course of 20 years (1952-72) pretty much everyone else found him a handful. His speed, ability to recover from flash knockdowns, boxing skill, combination punching and power were commented on by a number of adversaries and observers.

I do not think the cruiser Holy would have had the power or look to intimidate Floyd - and the slower, poorer stamina HW version (from '95 on) would have had problems keeping pace with Floyd, avoiding Floyd's punches and finding the mark regularly himself.

I might be convinced to make 88-94 Holyfield a favorite but I wouldn't consider FLoyd a complete write-off like other posters have.