Lloyd Honeyghan

[columbo man]

LLOYD DOESNT SEEM TO GET MENTIONED MUCH ON HERE THESE DAYS, ANY VIEWS ON HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE RING:thumbsup

[GazOC]

He was a great British/ Euro fighter beating Mitee, Rosi (very good win), Harold Brazier, and Chris Gilpin (great fights) on the way to the Brit/ CW and Euro titles.


His world credentials are harder to pin down, he beat an old unmotivated Shufford to get his number 1 spot, then boxed very well to beat a weight drained Curry, defended against the lanky, awkward Maurice Blocker and then against a couple of 140 lbers past their prime (Hatcher and Bumphus) in blowouts. He then won and lost the title suprisingly against the unfancied Vaca (those 2 results don't look as bad as they did at the time given some of the scalps Vaca went on to claim) before getting a bit of a boxing lesson and losing his title to Marlon Starling and getting brutalized trying to get another peice of the 147 pie when clearly past his best against Mark Breland.



Curry, Blocker, Vaca, Rosi, Mittee (at the time) were probably his best wins, while the Hatcher and Bumphus blowouts were impressive to watch but didn't really prove anything (both those fights are worth watching for the comedy value if nothing else, Honey nearly flattened Lou Duva trying to get at Bumphus in the 2nd round).

It was a extemely good career even allowing for Currys weight making problems, if you take Curry off Honeys record its still a very good body of work for a British fighter IMHO.

[columbo man]

He was a great British/ Euro fighter beating Mitee, Rosi (very good win), Harold Brazier, and Chris Gilpin (great fights) on the way to the Brit/ CW and Euro titles.


His world credentials are harder to pin down, he beat an old unmotivated Shufford to get his number 1 spot, then boxed very well to beat a weight drained Curry, defended against the lanky, awkward Maurice Blocker and then against a couple of 140 lbers past their prime (Hatcher and Bumphus) in blowouts. He then won and lost the title suprisingly against the unfancied Vaca (those 2 results don't look as bad as they did at the time given some of the scalps Vaca went on to claim) before getting a bit of a boxing lesson and losing his title to Marlon Starling and getting brutalized trying to get another peice of the 147 pie when clearly past his best against Mark Breland.



Curry, Blocker, Vaca, Rosi, Mittee (at the time) were probably his best wins, while the Hatcher and Bumphus blowouts were impressive to watch but didn't really prove anything (both those fights are worth watching for the comedy value if nothing else, Honey nearly flattened Lou Duva trying to get at Bumphus in the 2nd round).

It was a extemely good career even allowing for Currys weight making problems, if you take Curry off Honeys record its still a very good body of work for a British fighter IMHO.


GREAT ANALYSIS, I CANT FORGET THE STARLING LOSS AND THE TERRIBLE SHOWING AGAINST BRELAND, WELL PAST HIS BEST ESPECIALLY THE BRELAND FIGHT:thumbsup

[GazOC]

Cheers. I think at some point over the course of the Hatcher/ Bumphus fights he convinced himself he was this wild swinging KO artist, before those fights he'd always boxed well with good movement behind his jab before opening up.

He got away with it for a while but the style was made to order for a cagey counterpuncher like Starling and that was the start of the end really.

[gutto]

The raggamuffin Man theres a blast from the past. A good fighter with plenty of balls. I rember him as a real live wire when ever interviewed.

[Fat Joe]

Gaz, was Honeyghan a cut above Jones + Laing?

[bratwurzt]

I suspect they introduced the 10 second warning to the start of a round after what he did to Johnny Bumphus. That was fucking hillarious, he steamed over and started twatting him whilst he was still sat on his stool.

[ron u.k.]

even though he achieved a lot you always felt that honeyghan could have been better.he wasn't a very disciplned fighter,and the ragamuffin man nickname for the most part he deserved,he could look very sloppy and unorthodox and did some stange things in there.i believe he had quite a few bust ups with his trainer for not doing as instructed was it george francis? however on his greatest night against curry he showed to me what he should have been.he stuck to his game plan, worked the jab,his footwork was spot on that night,and unleashed his power shots onto curry which had his admitedly weight drained opponent in trouble all night.he showed great discipline that night,and just looked a very good fighter.unfortunatly that wasn't always the case.

[GazOC]

Gaz, was Honeyghan a cut above Jones + Laing?

I'd say so esp. Jones, but Laing was a funny fucker. If he was in the mood he could have made it interesting but I think even on one of Laings good days Honeyghan would have been too busy for him.

[TBooze]

I suspect they introduced the 10 second warning to the start of a round after what he did to Johnny Bumphus. That was fucking hillarious, he steamed over and started twatting him whilst he was still sat on his stool.

The ten second buzzer had been used in the States long before the incident, but you are right the Breland/Bumphus fight led to British MC's giving a 10 second warning to seconds.

To be fair to Honeyghan, the bell had gone and Bumphus was off his stool... There is a reason why the referee tells the boxers to protect themselves at all times!

Lloyd was a very classy British operator and from the Curry fight though to Hatcher, he was the finest 147lber on the planet, that had Breland, Starling and Brown at Welterweight.

With hindsight the first Vaca fight was the beginning off the end. But still his demise was shocking, remember he was still rated a top four Welterweight going into the Breland fight....

[Sir Stalingrad]

I think Jones would have stopped lloyd late.

[TBooze]

I think Jones would have stopped lloyd late.

Jones had an amazing ticker and would always be in the bout with Honeyghan, but Lloyd at his very best Curry form, would just have that bit more class IMO; Honeyghan W15 (9-6).

Talking of The Cobra and Jones; did Colin find his nose after their bout?;)

[Sir Stalingrad]

I believe Lloyd would have been made for Jones on a stylistic level,the Jamacian would take the early rounds,the middle rounds would have been closely contested and back and fourth but the heavier damage being done by the welshman,the later rounds would be Jones's and the damage inflicted by the much heavier artillary of the welshman in those middle rounds would come into play leading to the late stoppage.

[TBooze]

I believe Lloyd would have been made for Jones on a stylistic level,the Jamacian would take the early rounds,the middle rounds would have been closely contested and back and fourth but the heavier damage being done by the welshman,the later rounds would be Jones's and the damage inflicted by the much heavier artillary of the welshman in those middle rounds would come into play leading to the late stoppage.

I woud agree that Jones would probably get more of the fight as it went on, but the Londoner would have just that bit too much class late on to blow his early lead.

[GazOC]

My money would be on Honeyghan, he could be a very good boxer when he needed to be. He wins a clear decision for me.

[Fat Joe]

Talking of The Cobra and Jones; did Colin find his nose after their bout?;)

:lol:

[bratwurzt]

The guy's a pimp now though

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[kurt2006]

Looks like a small version of Foreman now.

[clubberlang]

Oh my god look at Honeyghan looks like a black Elton John!!!

[clubberlang]

Speaks a hell of a lot of sense though especially about Hattons corner men.

[kungfu]

Great fighter one of my 1st fave fighters growing up.

[Claypole]

Speaks a hell of a lot of sense though especially about Hattons corner men.He never was the most articulate of speakers so I didn't expect much from him there, but what he had to say was worth listening to.
Lloyd Honeyghan was a very fine fighter indeed. If he was at his peak right now, he would be one of the top fighters in the world.

[Farmboxer]

I remember his well, he was an exciting fighter, enjoyed his fights.

[kurt2006]

Speaks a hell of a lot of sense though especially about Hattons corner men.

Especially about the taxi driver.:D

[TBooze]

I he was an exciting fighter.

Guess you never saw Honeyghan/Marin then!;) Honeyghan/Blocker was hardly a thrill a minute either.

Lloyd was your classic hot and cold fighter; for all the fights that sucked you had the brilliance of the Rosi, Curry and Hatcher fights.

[GazOC]

I'm remember the Blocker fight being poor.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I don't need to go through Lloyd's CV as that is a matter of public record however one thing is clear he was the genuine article a legitimate undefeated and undisputed world champion. I was a big big fan of the great Don Curry. I don't think the Lone Star Cobra lost because he was weight drained rather the Raggamuffin man was a man possessed who was going to walk through fire to take the belts. He fought the very best, he beat the best and lost to the Best. He had a classic career high level of competition. Need I say more. Great great fighter by British standards a very good fighter by world standards.

[D-MAC]

He never was the most articulate of speakers so I didn't expect much from him there, but what he had to say was worth listening to.
Lloyd Honeyghan was a very fine fighter indeed. If he was at his peak right now, he would be one of the top fighters in the world.

You are probably right.

[GazOC]

Great great fighter by British standards a very good fighter by world standards.

Bang on the money!!:good

[columbo man]

Does Anyone Remember The Vaca Rematch, Lloyd Threw Everything Into That Fight Until He Stopped Vaca.
If Vaca Could Have Weathered The Early Storm I Dont Think Lloyd Would Have Had Anything Left And Vaca Would Have Won.
Great Career And A Great Character!!!!!

[GazOC]

I agree, if Vaca could have lasted another 2 rounds then Honeyghan would have been in trouble. Lloyd was never the same fighter after those two blow outs against Hatcher and Bumphus IMHO, it went to his head.

[Claypole]

Does Anyone Remember The Vaca Rematch, Lloyd Threw Everything Into That Fight Until He Stopped Vaca.
If Vaca Could Have Weathered The Early Storm I Dont Think Lloyd Would Have Had Anything Left And Vaca Would Have Won.
Great Career And A Great Character!!!!!I remember that fight. Lloyd had him on the ropes for what seemed like an eternity, and I was wondering how long he was going to be able to keep it up, but then he landed that shot to ther solar plexus.
It was one of those storms that was not going to be weathered.

[hitman_hatton1]

yeah lloyd paid vaca in the rematch. :yep

just went for him in that 3rd rd and chopped him down.

thought he was a bit unlucky to drop the decision in the 1st fight actually. scored it a draw with the extra point for the cut under those stupid wbc rules. :roll:

[Olu G. Rotimi]

That was one of the best interviews I have seen for a long time. Lloyd really knows his stuff and pin pointed where the fight was won and lost. I remember him saying on Sky a few days before the fight that Team Hatton did not practice defence. There is a difference between educated pressure like Lloyd gave Curry and Hatton's in your face aggression. Hatton making excuses about Joe Cortez etc is pretty lame. His perfomance against Lazcano shows me that he is ready to be taken again.

[Cobra33]

Educated pressure on Curry?Curry was half dead when he met Honeyghan.Christ all you have to do is look how drawn Curry's face is.

You know Honeyghan was offered $350,000 dollars to meet Curry at Jr.Middle but DECLINED.Wonder why.

[brown bomber]

Honeygun would have been a stylistic nightmare for Curry at ANY weight. Curry was a treamendous judger of distance and his punch repetoire was the equal of any fighter i've seen in history- however he had a questionable defence and needed time and space to counter effectively.

I've heard people say he was a gr8 infighter - he wasn't. He was a tremendous middle distance fighter, a decent long range fighter and a fair close range fighter.

Honey fought the perfect fight against a weakened champion. Curry-Honey at light middle would be a 12 rounder but I'm fairly confident Honey would out hustle the cobra again.

In historic terms Curry sits well above Honeygun for me though both in ability and achievement.

[Cobra33]

Watch Curry-Starling 2 and tell me Curry can't fight on the inside.That latter became his problem-he neglected his skills and started fighting too much on the inside.He was Known for having a great defence as well which he did have in his prime.
Curry at jr middle while not at his best would have stopped Honeyghan.There's a reason why Honeyghan declined that fight.
Honeyghan to me was a pretty good fighter but far from special.He beat 2 shot jr.welters-Bumphus/Hatcher and a pretty good boxer in Blocker.Honeyghan was exposed pretty much when Starling took him to school and gave him a brutal beating.
I personally think Colin Jones hit too hard for Honeyghan and Laing would be too quick and explosive for Honeyghan.Aside from Jones Laing dominated most fighters on the domestic scence.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Rubbish Honeyghan never ducked a Curry rematch and he was offered and got double that amount to face Marlon Starling. Honeyghan never ducked anyone that is the thing about his career look at the amount of champions and tough fighters he faced.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Watch Curry-Starling 2 and tell me Curry can't fight on the inside.That latter became his problem-he neglected his skills and started fighting too much on the inside.He was Known for having a great defence as well which he did have in his prime.
Curry at jr middle while not at his best would have stopped Honeyghan.There's a reason why Honeyghan declined that fight.
Honeyghan to me was a pretty good fighter but far from special.He beat 2 shot jr.welters-Bumphus/Hatcher and a pretty good boxer in Blocker.Honeyghan was exposed pretty much when Starling took him to school and gave him a brutal beating.
I personally think Colin Jones hit too hard for Honeyghan and Laing would be too quick and explosive for Honeyghan.Aside from Jones Laing dominated most fighters on the domestic scence.

I don't know or care whether Hatcher and Bumphus were shot when Honeyghan executed them but I do know that prior to their fight with Honeyghan no-one had done anything like that to either of them.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Watch Curry-Starling 2 and tell me Curry can't fight on the inside.That latter became his problem-he neglected his skills and started fighting too much on the inside.He was Known for having a great defence as well which he did have in his prime.
Curry at jr middle while not at his best would have stopped Honeyghan.There's a reason why Honeyghan declined that fight.
Honeyghan to me was a pretty good fighter but far from special.He beat 2 shot jr.welters-Bumphus/Hatcher and a pretty good boxer in Blocker.Honeyghan was exposed pretty much when Starling took him to school and gave him a brutal beating.
I personally think Colin Jones hit too hard for Honeyghan and Laing would be too quick and explosive for Honeyghan.Aside from Jones Laing dominated most fighters on the domestic scence.

Honeyghan would have stopped both Laing and Jones. Hell he beat better fighters than both.

[Mantequilla]

Jones would have caved his face in horribly.

Not a better fighter per se, but a terrible stylistic matchup for Honeyghan, who was sloppy as hell and liked to trade too much.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Jones would have caved his face in horribly.

Not a better fighter per se, but a terrible stylistic matchup for Honeyghan, who was sloppy as hell and liked to trade too much.

Honeyghan was better than Jones far more skilled with more dimensions both on the inside and outside. People forget that he was a very skilled boxer as well as proficient inside fighter with bags of stamina. Very strong at Welterweight.

[Cobra33]

Jones would have crushed Honeyghan.Honeyghan was too sloppy and Jones only needs Honeyghan to make one mistake and then it would be over.
Name me one bout in which Honeyghan BOXED with discipline the ENTIRE 12 rounds?

[GazOC]

I know neither fight went 12 rounds but both the Mittee and Shufford fights were very disciplined perfomances IIRC.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Jones would have crushed Honeyghan.Honeyghan was too sloppy and Jones only needs Honeyghan to make one mistake and then it would be over.
Name me one bout in which Honeyghan BOXED with discipline the ENTIRE 12 rounds?

Maurice Blocker for starters who was world class and became a very good world champion. Jones never won a world title and was found wanting at 3 attempts