Can Haye beat Klitschko?

[boxexpert]

i believe yes, he can. he has enough power to KO vladimir.

but first of all, haye needs to to well in his upcoming heavyweight fights and then he has a good chance to win

[fidds]

Yes he can


But wlad can also beat haye, who ever lands first :yep

[NBT]

Not impossible but unlikely. Haye has the power but that's really the only thing he's got going for him. Wlad has serious power himself (obviously more than enough for Haye) and severely outclasses him in about everything. Both chins are dodgy but Wlad has a pretty good and effective defence nowadys and can usually avoid those moneyshots (he hasn't been seriously touched since 2005 against "Rabbit Punch" Peter), Haye defence otoh isn't worth mentioning.

[LennoxGOAT]

No, I don't see it. Manny has revamped Wlad where he will be on the defensive and constantly move while sticking his jab out. And once Wlad times the jab and Haye's reaction, the right hand will follow and end it.

[Feiti]

It´s not impossible. We really need to see what Haye looks like at heavyweight against decent opponents. My bet is that Klitschko beats him even if he carries most of his speed and power up to the heavies.

[KobeIsGod]

wlad is not unbeatable but id like to see haye fight a couple of decent hws before i can come to a conclusion. his delusional fans make it so easy to hate him though :yep

if he has success, he'd make the perfect villian

[Serenata]

Everything is possible, but I don´t really believe it. Let´s see how Haye looks in his first HW fights. ;)

[401Tank]

wlad is not unbeatable but id like to see haye fight a couple of decent hws before i can come to a conclusion. his delusional fans make it so easy to hate him though :yep

if he has success, he'd make the perfect villian

thats just it he need to prove himself and he prob has a chance at beating him i just want to see him have at least 2 fights with the bigg boys first

[Farmboxer]

Hayes is all hype. Vlad will outbox him and knock him out, no problem.

[Ivo]

I just do not see it. It is like it is impossible but it is highly unlikely. Let's just see how Haye will do against some top 20 heavyweights.

[coog]

It is possible but highly improbable. I really donot see Haye beating Vlad, Peter, Povetkin or maybe Valuev

[Farmboxer]

I think Vlad would put Haye into a grave.

[KCD]

Klitschko in 2.

Klitschko holds all the aces over Haye except for speed. To make up for that Klitschko has excellent patience and timing.

The minute Wlad lands its all over.

[kenmore]

Haye would have to be a lot like Evander Holyfield if he's going to beat Klitschko. By that, I mean Haye will have to put on serious muscle and bulk without losing speed and athleticism, and his power will have to have impact in the super heavyweight division.

To beat Vlad, Haye will need to enjoy a serious edge in mobility, upper body movement, hand speed and fluidity of punching angles. If Haye can do that and still be able to punch hard, then yes, he has a serious chance at beating Klitschko.

But can Haye do all of that?

I think a prime Holyfield would have been too much for Vlad, as Holyfield put on the muscle necessary to move from cruiser to super heavy with ease. I don't yet know that Haye can do the same.

[Drofrah]

Haye definatley has the power hurt Vlad, but im not sure if he is controlled enough not to be caught.

Id like to see him tested at HW and if he dismantles all comers he has a good shot at Vlad.

Right now though im going with Vlad win

[john b]

Yes I think he can it will be a terrific fight. especially after the borefest klitchko was in last time. I believe their could be a upset because haye as the speed and power to cause all the top heavyweights fits.

[Farmboxer]

Vlad will knock Haye out easily, no contest.

[fidds]

You would of said the same about sanders or brewster as well though farm and we all know what happened there. Wlad will fight scared against a banger like haye, who has the speed and power to beat him. Not that i think he will, but it isnt a walk in the park.

Either man can win :good

[Finn73]

Just 3 words: Talk is cheap


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No way the haymaker can beat Wlad Klitschko. Perhaps in 5 or 6 years, but not at the moment. Wlad in 4. And by the way - Vitali will also come back and if Haye would've a fight against him...game over in 3.

[KobeIsGod]

I recently saw Haye's fight against Mock and let me tell you, his punch resistance doesnt look too good. This guy has been seriously hurt against former SMWs and u got people saying he's gonna walk right through wlad. :rofl

He's been put down or hurt by guys like Mock, Thompson, Fragomeni, and Mormeck. Seems difficult to excuse every instance. Wlad has been put down but by legit HEAVYWEIGHTS. Neither has very good punch resistance but Wlad has at least taken big power shots from massive hws.

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i'll buy his punch resistance can improve with the weight but he's gonna have a shaky chin at hw no matter what. I really don't think he can take more than a couple of wlad's straight right hands. Now Haye, has excellent power and speed himself but can he effectively deliver on Kiltschko?

I dont think so and here's why. Haye fights very low. Even now, he leans forward almost sticking his face out and keeps his left hand by his waist most of the time. He has a decent jab but seems to like to lead with power shots. On the otherhand, Wlad fights very tall behind a shotgun jab and utilizes lots of foot movement. Haye is in the far more vulnerable position.

Can Haye make this up with his handspeed. Possibly but consider Wlad's for a second. His handspeed is excellent for a HW. Just look at the tape. His jab, right-cross has got to be one of the fastest deliveries in the higher weights.

When people say it's a matter of who lands first, i agree. But it will be Wlad who will land first for the above mentioned reasons. Haye's only chance imo is to land something big in the first couple of rounds. After that, it turns into a boxing contest and he will get lit up. I would like to here Haye's suppoters respond especially about his punch susceptibility due to his stance....

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[ThePlugInBabies]

Just 3 words: Talk is cheap


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No way the haymaker can beat Wlad Klitschko. Perhaps in 5 or 6 years, but not at the moment. Wlad in 4. And by the way - Vitali will also come back and if Haye would've a fight against him...game over in 3.

vitali hasn't fought in what, 4 years?

what the fuck makes you think he can just come back and start knocking people over again? that is of course providing he isn't KO'd by his training camp again.

[southpawslick]

Haye hasn't even fought the best at Cruiserweight, what would make anyone think he can just step up and beat any top level HW much less Wlad?

[boxexpert]

well, whom else shall he beat at CW? vs. steve cunningham could be an interesting fight

[CJLightweight]

its a fight where who lands first. Haye got speed and power to hurt klitscho, and klitscho as we know has a glass chin, haye could also lose by KO on the other hand.

[RUSKULL]

That's the first time I've seen Haye vs. Mock and Haye looked terrible. Practically no defense whatsover. He was falling all over the place :yep :rofl

Haye's only chance vs. Klitschko is ifhe brings a friend or 2 :deal

[Minto]

I think that Haye would get ko´d by wlad. Haye is always exposed to get hit.

[Fitir]

Haye does not need the number 1 HW to be KOed. He is not a Superman ala prime Roy Jones, he will have to eat punches and I don't think he has the chin for that at HW.
He was floored by Mock, stopped by the cat, floored by a "0 stamina" version of Mormeck... The Mormeck fight is a good indication, it's an excellent victory but Haye was unable to dominate on skills : in the end he proved he had better power/condition/will but before that he was dominated and close of being KOed in the 4th... I don't imagine guys like RJJ, Toney, Klitschko etc. having problems in their primes against a faded Mormeck. Haye has still MUCH to prove. Perhaps he will be ready in a couple of years but he should build his career step by step at HW.

[Minto]

Perhaps he will be ready in a couple of years but he should build his career step by step at HW.



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Thats correct. Haye should make 5-7 Fight until he goes for a belt. He should get used to his new weight and to the power of HW punches.
Holyfield also made some tune up fights.

[Farmboxer]

Vlad will put Haye into the hospital or morgue.

[LB3000]

Haye hasn't even fought the best at Cruiserweight, what would make anyone think he can just step up and beat any top level HW much less Wlad? :rofl

[Rudolph]

The Mock stoppage was bullshit, the ref had just about as much reason to stop the fight as he had in round 2 when Haye was down and up at the count of 9 on shaky legs. It looked as if the ref was worried that if they keep swinging like that Haye may get KO'd and that would be bad in front of the home crowd.

Haye has very little punch resistance, but aside from that his speed decreases dramatically as rounds go buy. He's also very reckless in his attacks and quite predictable, always throwing the same three punches - an off-target jab, right cross and a wide left hook for dessert. The way Wlad's capable of leaning back and moving out quickly on his feet he could land his jab, get out of the way of Haye's punches, come back with a jab and retreat again, throw an occasional right cross and step back while Haye's wide swings will catch nothing but air. Notice how his feet never move when he's punching - he's always standing in the same spot leaning forward with his body. That's a bad sign, because you need to be able to move well against Klitschko.

[RUSKULL]

The Mock stoppage was bullshit, the ref had just about as much reason to stop the fight as he had in round 2 when Haye was down and up at the count of 9 on shaky legs. It looked as if the ref was worried that if they keep swinging like that Haye may get KO'd and that would be bad in front of the home crowd.

Haye has very little punch resistance, but aside from that his speed decreases dramatically as rounds go buy. He's also very reckless in his attacks and quite predictable, always throwing the same three punches - an off-target jab, right cross and a wide left hook for dessert. The way Wlad's capable of leaning back and moving out quickly on his feet he could land his jab, get out of the way of Haye's punches, come back with a jab and retreat again, throw an occasional right cross and step back while Haye's wide swings will catch nothing but air. Notice how his feet never move when he's punching - he's always standing in the same spot leaning forward with his body. That's a bad sign, because you need to be able to move well against Klitschko.

A fine, well thought out analysis. :good

Actually Haye fights similar to the way Vitali fights by leaning in to coax the opposing fighter into throwing something so they can counter. The main difference being that Vitali has an iron chin & more height so he can get away with this style more than a guy like Haye who will be the smaller man in the ring when he's fighting real Heavyweights.

[Sundance]

Don't be foolked into thinking the Maccranelli fight is an indicator of how Haye would do against Wlad. Different worlds! Wlad KO10.

[TRUEBELIEVER 66]

Fuck no Klits would KO HIM IN 5 ROUNDS:lol:

[Boxed Ears]

At least I think we're closer than when this thread happened...?

vitali hasn't fought in what, 4 years?

what the fuck makes you think he can just come back and start knocking people over again? that is of course providing he isn't KO'd by his training camp again.

I really thought by now he was going to have moved back to Injury City. Somebody got some other poor soul's shoulders and kneecaps on the German black market or something.

[Cachibatches]

He himself does not seem to think so,

[Armo_Ruski]

only thing haye can beat either klits at is trash talkin... in the ring highly unlikely:good:deal

[Grecorussian]

According to Wladimir Klitschko, Haye is his next opponent and then Povetkin. He says they have started negotiations. :-(

[boxingscience]

The Mock stoppage was bullshit, the ref had just about as much reason to stop the fight as he had in round 2 when Haye was down and up at the count of 9 on shaky legs. It looked as if the ref was worried that if they keep swinging like that Haye may get KO'd and that would be bad in front of the home crowd.

Haye has very little punch resistance, but aside from that his speed decreases dramatically as rounds go buy. He's also very reckless in his attacks and quite predictable, always throwing the same three punches - an off-target jab, right cross and a wide left hook for dessert. The way Wlad's capable of leaning back and moving out quickly on his feet he could land his jab, get out of the way of Haye's punches, come back with a jab and retreat again, throw an occasional right cross and step back while Haye's wide swings will catch nothing but air. Notice how his feet never move when he's punching - he's always standing in the same spot leaning forward with his body. That's a bad sign, because you need to be able to move well against Klitschko.

haye's a puncher, it'll be a bad sign if haye had his feet off the ground when he punched which only takes his power away. haye plants his feet on the ground when he's punching, that's one of the reasons why he punches hard. you're supposed to have your feet planted when punching, but then after the punch is thrown, haye moves.

it'll be a tough fight, but vitali's declining now, and he might have problems with the speed of haye's punches. i noticed vitali liked to throw a left hook, but because his opponent is smaller, it's a left hook that is low, which haye could counter time and time again over the top with his right hand.

everyone can talk about vitali's chin, but haye has hurt every pro opponent he has ever faced, and i'm sure if haye lands cleanly, then eventually you're going to see an effect on vitali.

[Farmboxer]

Vitali will knock Haye out cold. Vitali will have no problem with Haye, it would be an easier fight than Sosnowski. Haye has broken two contracts with Klitschkos and keeps on running. Haye has lost his voice. Haye knows he can't beat either Klitschko. Styles make fights and Haye is perfect style for Vitali or Vlad.

[madballster]

Theoretically, Haye can beat the Klits. He will need a bit of luck of landing first without taking damage himself. The problem is that he doesn't seem to eager fighting either Klit so that makes this entire discussion futile.

[BoxingFan2010]

No haye can not beat a klitschko, the bitch has to get in the ring with a klitschko for that to happen. That is why it never will happen.:tong

[BoxingFan2010]

It´s not impossible. We really need to see what Haye looks like at heavyweight against decent opponents. My bet is that Klitschko beats him even if he carries most of his speed and power up to the heavies.

Yes :hi:

[Farmboxer]

Haye has zero chance and that's why Haye broke two contracts. Where is Haye now?

[robert ungurean]

No he cant.

[dfh85]

Haye has zero chance and that's why Haye broke two contracts. Where is Haye now?
chillin sittin on a couple mil with a beautiful wife cooking him some food and brining it out 2 him on his sun terrace after he gets out from the pool

where are u now? on your computer in your moms basement talking shit about someone who does not even know you exist

[LocoRoco]

chillin sittin on a couple mil with a beautiful wife cooking him some food and brining it out 2 him on his sun terrace after he gets out from the pool

where are u now? on your computer in your moms basement talking shit about someone who does not even know you exist

:lol::lol:

[vnyc]

Haye is just a clown, he would get KTFO by Wlad inside 6 rounds.Anyway he had an operation , they removed his balls , so don't expect him to fight anybody in top 10, or anybody younger than 38.

[rainmaker]

chillin sittin on a couple mil with a beautiful wife cooking him some food and brining it out 2 him on his sun terrace after he gets out from the pool

where are u now? on your computer in your moms basement talking shit about someone who does not even know you exist

damn, best ownage I have ever seen on ESB! :lol:

[Nonameboy]

Not a chance.

[jjamc]

Only thing he he will need to beat is the count after Klitschko KO him

[howarya]

will haye fight klitschko should be the question??will david ever stop pussying about and fight them after spouting his mouth off

[WarChief]

Haye hasn't the ability to K.O. either Klitschko brother, let alone beat either one. Haye does NOT have the K.O. power that the natural heavyweight Klits Bro's have, or that either one are familiar fighting. Haye is mostly mouth. This has been proved by Vitali And Vladamir,( as both have alled his bluff and he alway's back's away. Haye Would get K.O.ed by the Polish heavyweight that beat Chris arreola quite soundly. Everyone the klits brother have fought has promised a knockout. As i've written before, i have been watching these two fighters for the last ten plus year's, and these guy's train hard, have a very good work ethic, and are loaded with talent. Now, the reason American fans don't like the Klits brothers is that they have alway's believed to be heavyweight champion, a boxer must have one or both parent's in prison, or one has to be homeless, and drop out of school to box. Then along comes the Klitschko brothers with doctorate degree's, speaking 4 or 5 different languages and all or the tools and natural size to dominate !And they dont even have to rant and rave about how good they are,or trash talk everyone they fight. These guys both have class, and have what American boxers rarely have in values, and are very family oriented. It would take extreme luck for anyone to beat either brother now. The true Greatest boxers of ALL TIME ! WarChief.:good

[WarChief]

Someone's post mentioned Wvladamir's losses to Sanders And Brewster. What wasn't mentioned is the fact that agains't Sanders, the ref let Cory hit vlad during a break. QNow vlad did forget one of the cardinal rules in never turn your back on an opponent. Then in the brewster fight vladamir came in with very little confidense and punched himself out. If you remember he had beaten Brewster soundly every round. Wvadamir looked great. Then he went to his corner, came out staggering, shaky, and had not even taken a punch. Strange !! Manny took him after that fight and made him unbeatable. The only boxer that could possibly beat him is his brother Vitali. They promised their mother they would never fight each other.P.S. M. Ali couldn't go 3 rounds with either Klitschko brother!

[Neverchair]

Someone's post mentioned Wvladamir's losses to Sanders And Brewster. What wasn't mentioned is the fact that agains't Sanders, the ref let Cory hit vlad during a break. QNow vlad did forget one of the cardinal rules in never turn your back on an opponent. Then in the brewster fight vladamir came in with very little confidense and punched himself out. If you remember he had beaten Brewster soundly every round. Wvadamir looked great. Then he went to his corner, came out staggering, shaky, and had not even taken a punch. Strange !! Manny took him after that fight and made him unbeatable. The only boxer that could possibly beat him is his brother Vitali. They promised their mother they would never fight each other.P.S. M. Ali couldn't go 3 rounds with either Klitschko brother!

You, my friend, are a fucking retard.:patsch

[liljp361]

gotta love derranged klitschko fans...

[LegitThreat]

Its possible but highly unlikely. I think Haye got scared once he seen that going to war with Klitschko's wasn't a good idea. Haye was listening to his managers that's what caused the escalator scene and the shirt of him holding Wlad's head, but then he found out that the brothers aren't intimidated and they don't care what trash you talk. Vitali showed him this first hand by taking Hayes hat right off his head and picking on him and then him punching Haye in the arm quite hard actually you could tell Vitali was angry and wanted to punch him in the face. The look on Hayes face when Vitali did those things were the look of a shocked scared man.

[LegitThreat]

You, my friend, are a fucking retard.:patsch
Yes he is but I think Ali v.s either one of the Klitschko brothers would of been epic.

[BoxerGaz]

HAYE is capable of KO in both klit brothers and he will do it. its just a matter of time.

G

[madballster]

Question is not if Haye can beat a Klitschko, the question is does he have the balls to fight one. Haye shows little heart nor will to fight at all. He doesn't seem hungry enough.

[lion]

why not? klitschko has lost before so of course its very possible he will lose against haye!

[Right Hook]

can i turn shite into diamonds???...no!!! and, no, haye has fuck all chance of beating either Klitchsko

[Farmboxer]

Haye has already answered that question. He broke two contracts, refused 50/50, etc. Haye is in hiding because he knows he would get knocked out by both.

[Marcel1221]

even my imagination does not go so far, while he is not even able to go in tha ring, so my answer is NO :nono

[DonBoxer]

It depends what Haye is willing to take on the way in. I think both fighters could beat the other but its certainly Haye who has to bring his A game. He needs to be a worrior and work his way to the inside , then land big.

[Jersey Joe]

He can win if he outboxes Wlad but I think that is unlikely, Haye is a power puncher more than a technician.

Any smaller guy who tries to win a heavyweight title fight on physical attributes is going to lose badly. Smaller fighters who have beaten heavyweights have done so using superior skill, technique, and mobility. Unfortunately for Haye, Wlad is the one who has the good technique and skill.

[boxeo#1]

I definately believe he can. He has the talent, movement, speed, athleticism, power and reflexes. If he will is another question though, but, yes he can.

[crippet]

No he cant unless one of them ages badly - Then he will consider the fight, but that will be patently obvious to everyone.
As the Klits are at the moment he wouldnt last 3 rounds with either.

I think he will have his hands full with Harrison because he is no where near as good as he would have us believe

[caine]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo he can not and he will never try to.

[Farmboxer]

Even Haye does not believe he has a chance to beat Vitali or Vlad!

[Claus Holmen]

Vlad hiding behind his jab -playing it safe - is difficult. Won´t see him punching it out with Haye.
Haye´s got to box a smart fight. Moving out of reach, ducking & blocking the long left hammer. Hitting Vlads body when Vlad clinches. Haye will have fire punches 1-2-3, left hook, right hook while moving forward.
I think Haye can win.

[El Borracho]

sure he can, he's just too scared to try

[Farmboxer]

Haye broke two contracts to fight Klitschkos. Haye does not believe he can beat Vitali or Vlad. Haye runs and hides, does not say anything until Vitali and Vlad sign to fight someone else.

[jordan1]

Hell yes!

[marekbokser]

HELL NO, after seeing wlad vs samuel ll i dont see haye winning and excpect a 9 round tko for wlad. wlad improved since the first fight and samuel is a natrual HW , and opinion is that (IF the fights) happen wlad would tko 9 haye, haye is much faster.does anybody rember haye saying i would make valuev emberrasing (sorry for my bad english), but he fought the whole fight very carefully and wobbled niko only in round 12.
so. wlad tko 9 haye!!!!!!!!!

[marekbokser]

f*ck haye, for the money i would even TRY to fight wlad, but i think with one or two punches he woulld ktfo

[madballster]

"You can't beat whom you don't fight"
-- Muhammad Ali

[marekbokser]

"You can't beat whom you don't fight"
-- Muhammad Aliyeah :)

[MaliBua]

Of coure he can but the reality is his chances are low, very low....

[zfc]

Speed kills and Haye is much quicker than Wlad.

Even after last nights one sided demolition I still see Haye v Wlad as a 50 50 fight.

[luckylefty]

Maybe in a shit-talking contest.in the ring..HELL NO!:bbb

[crippet]

"You can't beat whom you don't fight"
-- Muhammad Ali


How come this quote nevers seems to apply to Riddick Bowe?

[mattress]

Yes he can but his chances are very, very slim.

[Welsh Dragon]

How the fuck does Haye beat the Klits exactly?
He goes down when hit by a cruiser so what is steel hammer & iron fist going to do to him?
He will fight them bc of the cash involved but he wont win. J Francis all over again.

[Kissan]

Wlad´s chin still seems to be vulnerable and in boxing, especially in the hw division, one punch can decide it but, for ability, intelligence and power, I see it in Wlads favor and it´s not even close.
Haye can beat him with a lucky punch, no doubt, but when it comes to fighting and boxing, Wlad takes it in 19 of 20 fights.

[Farmboxer]

Peter would have knocked Haye out last night!

Vitali or Vlad will knock Haye out and Haye knows it.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Both Haye and Vladimir can knock each other out.

[MagicMan91]

Both Haye and Vladimir can knock each other out.

Don't mean to hijack the thread or anything, is Ajose still fighting out in Algeria or wherever it was?

[Bubby]

I really don't think Haye can beat most of the heavyweights in top ten, much less K2...

[Dio]

id have to go with klitschko.