Henry Armstrong the greatest fighter p4p of all-time ?

[Sonny's jab]

Does anyone here rate Armstrong at number 1 ?

How did his fight with Sugar Ray go, and how would he have done against Sugar Ray if he had been at his peak ?

The only knock on Armstrong I can see is he lacked longevity in the sense that his peak only lasted 3 or 4 years at the most. But I reckon he made up for this with an incredible level of activity.
His accomplishments are almost unparalleled. Holding the feather, welter and light championship all at the same time beggars belief. And these were not the paper titles we see guys picking up nowadays.

On top of this, I love Armstrong's style. It's pressure boxing in its purest form.

[JohnThomas1]

He's 2 or 3 for me. Unbelievable.

[Sonny's jab]

He's 2 or 3 for me. Unbelievable.

I assume you rate Sugar Ray ahead of him.
Who's the other candidate for your number 2 ?

[Smokin'Joe100]

Does anyone here rate Armstrong at number 1 ?

How did his fight with Sugar Ray go, and how would he have done against Sugar Ray if he had been at his peak ?

The only knock on Armstrong I can see is he lacked longevity in the sense that his peak only lasted 3 or 4 years at the most. But I reckon he made up for this with an incredible level of activity.
His accomplishments are almost unparalleled. Holding the feather, welter and light championship all at the same time beggars belief. And these were not the paper titles we see guys picking up nowadays.

On top of this, I love Armstrong's style. It's pressure boxing in its purest form.

Yeah i like Armstrong, cracking champion. Personally i have SRR at no 1 with Armstrong at no 2, but i doubt you'd be called a idiot for having Armstrong at no 1, you could have a good case for it.

[JohnThomas1]

I assume you rate Sugar Ray ahead of him.
Who's the other candidate for your number 2 ?

Haven't got too deep but Greb is looking at the spot. I could be talked into Armstrong tho.

[My dinner with Conteh]

#2 for me. But nothing wrong with having him tops. I think Manassa does.

[Sonny's jab]

Haven't got too deep but Greb is looking at the spot. I could be talked into Armstrong tho.

Great pick.

I think Greb, Armstrong and Robinson are probably the best picks for those top 3 positions.

[Dempsey1238]

I think Its Fitz, Armstrong and perhaps Greb thats pound for pound greats. Robinson only held 2 weight titles. Which lowers him a bit on these pound for pound list imo.

[Sizzle]

If boxing was structured the same way I could definately see Mayweather doing the same.

I believe Corrales, Castillo and Spinks/Judah were respectively the No.1 ranked (super)featherweight, lightweight and welterweight at one stage.

Mayweather has beaten three of them, sadly the structure of boxing today prevents him from accomplishing the same feat.

Lets assume without the super featherweight division these fighters battle at featherweight.

Still, Armstrong is top10 in my books. Looks great on film IMO.

[Sonny's jab]

Greb #1 by a sizeable margin, then armstrong, then benny leonard.

I am looking into Benny Leonard's credentials for pound-for-pound greatest. The man was amazing.

My top 5 candidates so far are Langford, Greb, Leonard, Armstrong & Robinson.

I'm not sure about Langford, since I'm starting to think he wasn't always the "small guy" in those "heavyweight" battles he had. I think he was a pretty big 180 - 200 pound puncher in a lot of his wins, and that might effect a part of his claim to being "pound-for-pound" the greatest. I need to research some more.

[Dempsey1238]

No Fitz in the top 5?? The first 3 weight champ??? Middleweight, Lightheavyweight and Heavyweight champ??? The TRUE meaning of pound for pound?

[Sonny's jab]

No Fitz in the top 5?? The first 3 weight champ??? Middleweight, Lightheavyweight and Heavyweight champ??? The TRUE meaning of pound for pound?

Good call.
I'm a bit unfamiliar with the light-heavyweight division at the time he won that title. I think most fighters over 160 at that time were still gunning for heavyweight honours ?
Still, I cannot really argue.
I think Greb and Langford were a bit unlucky to have been avoided and/or stuck in no-decision bouts by the champions of their day. Their vast resumes are better than Fitz's, IMO.

[robert ungurean]

I have Greb & Duran ahead of him.

[Nemesis]

How did his fight with Sugar Ray go, and how would he have done against Sugar Ray if he had been at his peak ?

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He was shot by then even Robinson admits that, according to Robinson himself, he carried him as didnt want to knock out his idol

[janitor]

I have him in my top three personaly.

[Joe E]

No Fitz in the top 5?? The first 3 weight champ??? Middleweight, Lightheavyweight and Heavyweight champ??? The TRUE meaning of pound for pound?The first 3 weight champ.Great reply Dempsey.I never thought of that one.Hmm,this opens a new can of worms!Thanks.:think

[Street Lethal]

Here’s what’s really awesome about Henry Armstrong. After he lost all his titles, he continued to win against top boxers: Willie Joyce (wins over Ike Williams, Lew Jenkins, Chalky Wright, John Thomas), Al Davis (wins over Tony Canzoneri, Tippy Larkin, Bob Montgomery), John Thomas (wins over Lew Jenkins, Willie Joyce, Maxie Shapiro), Sammy Angott (wins over Baby Arizmendi, Davey Day, Bob Montgomery, Lew Jenkins, Willie Pep, Ike Williams, and a draw with Beau Jack), Maxie Shapiro (win over Bob Montgomery), Tippy Larkin (wins over Willie Joyce, Billy Graham, Freddie Cochrane), Lew Jenkins (wins over Lou Ambers, Mike Belloise, Tippy Larkin, Bob Montgomery), Fritzie Zivic (wins over Charly Burley, Sammy Angott, Al Davis, Lew Jenkins), and Juan Zurita (win over Sammy Angott). He did all this rarely weighing more than a junior welterweight. Think about that. That is post-championship Armstrong. While he was champion he was a demon.

[McGrain]

I swear i'm not trying to wind anyone up, but he's another one that didn't fancy it with Burley.

Though I think Armstrong would have beaten Burley at the time the fight was going to be made, but still, interesting. Anyway, to answer the question, no, I don't think it's sensible to have him ahead of Greb or Sugar Ray Robinson.

[Manassa]

#2 for me. But nothing wrong with having him tops. I think Manassa does.

Indeed. I think Armstrong's three year streak is unbelievable.

[Manassa]

You base your rankings more on accomplishments? Why not Greb then?

Fuck knows. Let me reply tomorrow when I'm sober :rofl

[Street Lethal]

I swear i'm not trying to wind anyone up, but he's another one that didn't fancy it with Burley.

Though I think Armstrong would have beaten Burley at the time the fight was going to be made, but still, interesting. Anyway, to answer the question, no, I don't think it's sensible to have him ahead of Greb or Sugar Ray Robinson.

I don't know how you can not have Armstrong ahead of Harry Greb.

[Street Lethal]

Greb has a better resume than just about everyone. That's how. Footage means nothing when you see the fighters he beat and hear of him from not only them but various accounts of those who saw him. We'd all like to see him to either put him at #1 or just to see what he actually fought like.

Were you the one that posted the names on his resume to support your claim that he has the best resume? I have looked at his record and he does not have the best resume. Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles, Henry Armstrong, Sugar Ray Robinson, and Julio Cesar Chavez all have better resumes. I don't know what it is about Greb that has got you so overly excited but he isn't up there with Robinson and Armstrong. He was great but he just gets inside the top 10.

[Dempsey1238]

What?? Walker, Tunney, Gibbions, Flowers, and others are about even are perhaps BETTER than Robinson imo.

[Street Lethal]

What?? Walker, Tunney, Gibbions, Flowers, and others are about even are perhaps BETTER than Robinson imo.

Unfortunately for people who believe this we have footage of these guys.

[sweet_scientist]

What?? Walker, Tunney, Gibbions, Flowers, and others are about even are perhaps BETTER than Robinson imo.
Yeah but apparently they are not as good as Meldrick Taylor, Hector Camacho, Edwin Rosario and Rocky Lockrdige :rofl

But I'm sure Street Lethal is fair, they WOULD be on the level of Greg Haugen, Juan Laporte and Roger Mayweather :good

[Dempsey1238]

Walker??? ATG. He did REAL well vs the heavyweights and lightheavyweights. I cant say the same for Robinson. If he RELLY belive he could do well, he would have try again after Maxim. He never try again after loseing. I put Walker as a top ten pound for pound imo. Only Max Schmeling was able to blast Walker out of there.

Flowers was a great middleweight champ. no film. But a good note for the record.

Gibbions is other atg heavyweight and lightheavyweight that took Jack Dempsey the full 15 rounds. That has to add something to Greb's resume in compare to Robinson.