Which ATG's does prime Hamed beat?

[Jack]

Prime Hamed vs. the elite of the featherweight division in recent history and all time. Assuming he is in a three fight series with the opponent, which of the following would he beat twice?

Just drawn up a quick list off the top of my head, so it's far from perfect. I also included the modern elite four.

Gomez
Morales
Saddler
Marquez
Pep
Pacquiao
Barrera
Sanchez
Canzo
Kid Chocolate
Nelson
Armstrong
Attell
Pedroza

I'm not sure if he beats any of these guys 2/3 times.

Any opinions?

[Fat Joe]

Pacquiao. After seeing Morales V McCullough I'd give him a shot at beating him as well.

[kurt2006]

A prime motivated Naz trained by Ingle would be too much for all of them

[dukestreet]

im positive he takes out manny and morales at his peak mentally and physically

[D-MAC]

I'll tell you who I think he doesn't beat:

Saddler, Pep, Sanchez, Kid Chocolate, Armstrong.

In fact Pep makes him look like a complete twat for 12/15 rounds, and Saddler just beats him silly.

I'm sure he has a chance of beating some on that list: Nelson, Barrera, Morales, Pedroza.

Others I don't know enough about to make a decision: Canzo, Attell.

As regards to Pac-Man, I personally think that his is a bad style for Hamed. The latter is more powerful, I think Pac is faster, the chins are both good (Naz goes down more through getting caught off balance), Pac has the better work-rate. I don't think Pac would let Naz sit back and pose, picking his shots. I think he would swarm him, getting on the inside to land heavy blows. I would see Hamed countering his way to an early lead, but Pac wearing him down in the middle-late rounds to pull out a clear UD.

[TIGEREDGE]

naz could beat the pac of recent times. but i don't think he would of beat the 03-05 pacman. he may be able to scrape out a decision against morales. barerra beats him every time. too quick and technically sound

[altitudetrainin]

Marco Antonio Barrera and Eric Morales. That's why they stayed at 122 at the time!

[altitudetrainin]

naz could beat the pac of recent times. but i don't think he would of beat the 03-05 pacman. he may be able to scrape out a decision against morales. barerra beats him every time. too quick and technically soundEven Pacman of 03-05 use to fall all over the place and go wild. Against a southpaw, he would have more weaknesses and would be exposed as he has been in the 2 Marquez fights. i thought he lost them both. He lost 11 rounds in the first one. No chance against prime Naz who had a punch from either stance and was also naturally left handed. Just can;t see him falling around against a slick southpaw and winning.

[Benjiabc]

im positive he takes out manny and morales at his peak mentally and physically

i agree

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Azumah Nelso will beat every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

[Fat Joe]

Azumah Nelso will beat every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

I'm sure this fight was discussed early in Hamed's reign. He said it would take 8 rounds to dismantle Nelson.

[KCD]

I think Morales would have beaten Hamed.

I also think that the super bantamweights/featherweights/auper featherweights in Morales , Barrera, Pacquaio and Marquez would all beat Hamed. I dont but into the Hamed wasnt in his prime for the Barrera, he was, and he lost not because he didnt follow his game plan it was because Barrera didnt allow him to.

I think Hameds best chance of a victory with any of the above fighters is with Pac believe it or not. Mainly due to the fact that Pac comes forward and does get hit.

Marquez i think would ud Hamed, he did get put down off Pac but he recuperated very well. Hamed may put him down but even Pac with his workrate couldnt stop Marquez and Hamed doesnt have the best output.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

I'm sure this fight was discussed early in Hamed's reign. He said it would take 8 rounds to dismantle Nelson.

Yeah right as if they really wanted any part of the Professor. Had Hamed fought Azumah his career would have unravelled quicker as Nelson would have enjoyed stopping him.

[TIGEREDGE]

Even Pacman of 03-05 use to fall all over the place and go wild. Against a southpaw, he would have more weaknesses and would be exposed as he has been in the 2 Marquez fights. i thought he lost them both. He lost 11 rounds in the first one. No chance against prime Naz who had a punch from either stance and was also naturally left handed. Just can;t see him falling around against a slick southpaw and winning.

he was a lot faster and hungrier in those days. the pac of today has slowed a lot.

naz had far from perfect balance and defense. i would say that pacman looked like willie pep compared to naz. remember the Kelly, madina and sanchez, soto and MAB fights. hamed was all over the place

he could get away with that fancy shit against domestic and europeon leevl fighters but when he steped up to true world level he struggled to look as good. he relied on his awesome power.

don't give me shit about Naz looking great against Johnson, Bungu, Vasquez, badillo, robinson and co. those guys were either totally shot (the first three named above) or continental class fighters at best (the latter)

[TIGEREDGE]

Marco Antonio Barrera and Eric Morales. That's why they stayed at 122 at the time!
bull shit. they would of fought naz anytime if they got the call. naz was a huge money earner. everyone wanted to fight him. nobody would of ducked naz (). unless they were insane and weren't into boxing for the money

[rydersonthestorm]

bull shit. they would of fought naz anytime if they got the call. naz was a huge money earner. everyone wanted to fight him. nobody would of ducked naz (). unless they were insane and weren't into boxing for the money
nope they wouldn't fight naz to start with

[John18]

Prime Morales (around the 1st Barerra fight) takes Naz.

Probably not 3 out of 3, as Naz has a big equaliser in his power.

[brown bomber]

remember the Kelly, madina and sanchez, soto and MAB fights. hamed was all over the place

All of which took place after Hameds prime. :patsch

[toffeejack]

Can't speak for all of the names mentioned but Hamed certainly beats Morales and Barrera prime for prime I'm sure of it.

Naseem reached his peak early and before he even fought in America.

A prime, determined and focused Hamed KO's Barrera I don't care what anyone says.

[John18]

Hamed hit his peak before going to America?

Who did he beat during this peak? Genuine point/question. Looking great whipping guys with no chins, or stepping up a weight clas does not constitute a peak. IMO.

[chesh]

Hamed was only 27 when he fought MAB and hadn't taken any beatings. No way was he past his prime. He was just stepping up to the elite level for the first time and wasn't good enough. If it had happened two years earlier or two years later, the result would have been the same. Hamed knew this himself.

If you recall the post-fight interview, he seemed quite satisfied that he'd lasted the 12 rounds. He knew he couldn't improve on that, otherwise he would have enforced the rematch clause he had in the contract. And I write this as a Hamed fan.

[Scratch]

Hamed was only 27 when he fought MAB and hadn't taken any beatings. No way was he past his prime. He was just stepping up to the elite level for the first time and wasn't good enough. If it had happened two years earlier or two years later, the result would have been the same. Hamed knew this himself.

If you recall the post-fight interview, he seemed quite satisfied that he'd lasted the 12 rounds. He knew he couldn't improve on that, otherwise he would have enforced the rematch clause he had in the contract. And I write this as a Hamed fan.

Tyson was past his peak way younger than that, also whilst taking no beatings...and he went over the hump for the same reason, he got arrogant, lazy and forgot how to box.

I reckon it's impossible to say how peak Hamed would have done against undisputed greats, there's just no evidence at all.

[Mantequilla]

Amazing how Hamed's peak ended the minute he started fighting good world class fighters.

The guy was a waste of talent, but also very overrated and limited.

[TIGEREDGE]

All of which took place after Hameds prime. :patsch

the kelly fight was after the awesome victory over the legendary badillo in december 1997. the medina fight was in august 1996. when was hamed in his prime. wehn he turned pro in 1992

[TIGEREDGE]

Tyson was past his peak way younger than that, also whilst taking no beatings...and he went over the hump for the same reason, he got arrogant, lazy and forgot how to box.

I reckon it's impossible to say how peak Hamed would have done against undisputed greats, there's just no evidence at all.

tyson destroyed the best men around. hamed never. he got exposed in fights against world class operators like Kevin Kelly, Manuel Medina AS a boxer who was very flawed technically. tyson showed that he was really sound defensively in his very brief prime. there were no flaws in his armour during his brief prime. that why we consider him an ATG

[Scratch]

tyson destroyed the best men around. hamed never. he got exposed in fights against world class operators like Kevin Kelly, Manuel Medina AS a boxer who was very flawed technically. tyson showed that he was really sound defensively in his very brief prime. there were no flaws in his armour during his brief prime. that why we consider him an ATG

The point is...you can be over the hill at what? 23?

Tyson, unlike Hamed, practically cleaned his division out at his peak, that's why he's an all time great whilst Hamed is merely an enigma.

The Hamed who fought Kelly etc. was a shadow of the elastic bastard he used to be.

[Juanjuice4]

Barrera battered and schooled Hamed it was a masterclass IMO. Hamed was in his prime at this point, no doubt about it we all thought he was going to win so did he. This fight broke him as a fighter and a man, no heart, a true ATG would have come back look at the Barrera - Morales trilogy.

Hamed had tremendous strength and had the ability to beat all the fighters listed on his day, a punchers chance. Best V's Best he would struggle.

[TIGEREDGE]

Barrera battered and schooled Hamed it was a masterclass IMO. Hamed was in his prime at this point, no doubt about it we all thought he was going to win so did he. This fight broke him as a fighter and a man, no heart, a true ATG would have come back look at the Barrera - Morales trilogy.

Hamed had tremendous strength and had the ability to beat all the fighters listed on his day, a punchers chance. Best V's Best he would struggle.

SPOT ON THREAD MATE

naz had a punchers chance if he got the ATGS listed on a bad day. but prime for prime, he is a loser against nearly all of them

[TIGEREDGE]

The point is...you can be over the hill at what? 23?

Tyson, unlike Hamed, practically cleaned his division out at his peak, that's why he's an all time great whilst Hamed is merely an enigma.

The Hamed who fought Kelly etc. was a shadow of the elastic bastard he used to be.

the kelly fight was only 2 months after what many consider to be hAMEDS best win over Badillo

My point is:

I consider tyson to be a great because he cleaned out his division. he beat everyone around in spectacular fashion. hamed ducked a few guys and when he did fight some of its creme, the arab bastard struggled to look that good