Wladimir Klitschko vs. Alexander Povetkin [Archive]

KobeIsGod

06-17-2008, 02:56 AM

With their potential November fight highly likely, here is some interesting footage of Povetkin's last fight against Eddie Chambers.
Povetkin appears extremely susceptible to the 1-2 or jab, right-cross which is Wladimir's best combination. Povetkin has the habit of lingering in the punch zone. Chambers landed at will early in the fight. He stunned Povetkin several times and caused swelling around his eyes.

Chambers is a light-hitting but fast-handed hw while Wlad was named boxing's best puncher by Ring magazine and has exceptional handspeed for a man his size.

Chambers was unable to sustain his attack after round 5 and seemed to completely run out of gas. To his credit, Povetkin gutted out the win but his poor defense and non-existent head movement leaves him very susceptible to Klitschko's longer and straighter punches. Additionally, Chambers rarely utilized his jab despite its success, a punch Wladimir bases his entire attack on. Moreover, this weapon could prove even more critical as Povetkin appears to swell and mark up pretty easily.

A glaring statistic was Chamber's 61% success rate on power punches.

What do you make of this matchup?

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Kolya

06-17-2008, 03:01 AM

I think if Sasha trains with Aleksandr Karelin, he can win.

Serenata

06-17-2008, 03:16 AM

If Povetkin hasn´t improved after the Chambers fight he will get killed.

If he has improved it will be an interesting fight. :)

KobeIsGod

06-17-2008, 03:39 AM

If Povetkin hasn´t improved after the Chambers fight he will get killed.

If he has improved it will be an interesting fight. :)

the more i watch of Povetkin, the less competitve i see this fight being. something else to keep in mind, Wlad throws a much faster 1-2 combination than Chambers as demonstrated against Peter and sometimes throws it 2 times in a row like a four-punch combination.

In both videos, Povetkin and Peter are in similar positions: standing in front of their opponents doing nothing. Povetkin was in this position throughout the fight but Chambers let up after the 5th.

Povetkin cannot mimic Sultan's strategy and run and go backwards since his style is just the opposite. so unless he develops some head movement, he's gonna get blasted out quite easily. I think it's pretty clear he doesn't have Peter's chin.

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coog

06-17-2008, 10:49 AM

Possible but highly improbable

southpawslick

06-17-2008, 10:55 AM

the more i watch of Povetkin, the less competitve i see this fight being. something else to keep in mind, Wlad throws a much faster 1-2 combination than Chambers as demonstrated against Peter and sometimes throws it 2 times in a row like a four-punch combination.

In both videos, Povetkin and Peter are in similar positions: standing in front of their opponents doing nothing. Povetkin was in this position throughout the fight but Chambers let up after the 5th.

Povetkin cannot mimic Sultan's strategy and run and go backwards since his style is just the opposite. so unless he develops some head movement, he's gonna get blasted out quite easily. I think it's pretty clear he doesn't have Peter's chin.

Yea I agree totally with this. Klitschko is just a very bad match for Povetkin and always will be.

Mendoza

06-18-2008, 07:21 AM

Farmboxer

06-19-2008, 04:02 AM

I really don't think Povetkin has a chance.

boxexpert

06-19-2008, 08:31 PM

this would be too early for povetkin. he need at least 8 more fights until he faces vladimir. after that, that matchup would make sense

KobeIsGod

06-21-2008, 03:42 PM

yes povetkin is a bad style match up for wlad, but the fighter makes the style. Povetkin is the fastest rising heavyweight(not even Tyson was so quickly matched against the level of opposition hes faced) I can think of and he has great amateur pedigree (olympic gold medal) and serious toughness (was the world kick boxing champion). His chin is solid and hes a pressure fighter so if he takes klitschko to the later rounds he can make the water very deep for the giant Ukrianian.

i agree. his only chance is to take wlad late but i dont think he can make it there. chambers was blasting him backwards with right hands. povetkin wasn't hurt but he sure was stunned a couple of times. i would say his chin is above average similar to brock. he can take a few of wlad's right hands but not many. certainly not the amount he took from chambers. 61% connect on power shots for chambers. now consider, wlad has a faster 1-2 combination......

unless he vastly improves his head and lateral foot movement, he will stopped mid-rounds. he's just too hittable. klit's jab is gonna dominate this fight.

it's one thing to take those shots from a small hw like chambers, who is a sharp but far from powerful puncher, and another to take bombs from a monster like wlad.

The draw back is Povetkin is only a solid puncher. He can win like Brewster did, but its likley going to happen a bit later, and only if he weather the strom in the ealry to mid rounds.

I favor Wlad, but make Povetkin a like underdog.

yeah its probably a bad strategy to let someone kick the shit out of u and hope he collapses from exhaustion. but seriously, that may be his only chance or hope wlad is so tentative he can outwork him. wlad should be a huge favorite though.

this would be too early for povetkin. he need at least 8 more fights until he faces vladimir. after that, that matchup would make sense

8 fights? lol....so wait til wlad declines. not a bad strategy. it's a moot point though. the fight is coming off in october/november.

Farmboxer

06-25-2008, 02:33 AM

Vlad does not have a bad chin and he has no staimia problem. He was drugged in the first Brewster fight.

dwilson

06-25-2008, 06:58 AM

Wlad will win this in about 8 rounds by brutal stoppage.

tonsetzer

06-25-2008, 06:11 PM

Povetkin is toast ! There would have to stand a whole new fighter in the ring, comparing to his last fight. His come forward, pressure style, combined with mediocre punching power and size disadvantage will make him an ideal target for both, the straight right and the left hook. If you pressure Klitschko you better hurt him soon !

Rudolph

07-08-2008, 12:57 PM

i'm seeing another Forman-Frazier type of ending

Alcaldemb

07-08-2008, 01:17 PM

People seem to forget that in fights with Byrd and Donald Povetkin was a lot harder to hit and employed more upper body and lateral movement, especially coming in at angles. Povetkin had the flu against Chambers, which is something that cannot be discounted as it clearly effected his footwork. On top of that Eddie didn't just simply tire. Povetkin was working his body all fight, which is why he began to run out of steam. Also it wasn't as if Chambers landed at will all the time on Povetkin, he landed a few good counter combos, but there were 6 or 7 of them throughout the fight, it wasn't as if he was dominating him throughout the early rounds and then just tired out.

gregor

07-08-2008, 06:12 PM

Byrd was done when he fought Povetkin. Donald was also past his prime, 40 years old, and they were both were defensive fighters anyway. No surprise Povetkin wasn't hit too often in those fights.

On the other hand, Chambers didn't have any problems to hit Povetkin (well, at least at the beginning of the fight). It should be even easier for Wlad. I don't think the fight will go full distance, unless Wlad gets again overcautious like he did against Ibrahimov.

Flurry

07-14-2008, 04:19 AM

wlad is physically too strong and has too much experience for Povetkin, if they fought right now wlad d have the upper hand, still Povetkin would make it competitve no doubt, Id like wlad to fight him now rather than take him on in 2 or 3 years time from now

Mendoza

07-14-2008, 07:07 AM

Flurry

07-14-2008, 09:54 AM

Welcome back Merry. Where have you been.

hi, wherever I have been Im back - or wait, maybe not, not completely at least, dont have time to follow the game much.

I ll pop in from time to time though for a read

Axe

07-14-2008, 02:32 PM

hi, wherever I have been Im back - or wait, maybe not, not completely at least, dont have time to follow the game much.

I ll pop in from time to time though for a read

Mate, we miss your insightful posts around here. :good

KobeIsGod

07-14-2008, 09:36 PM

I feel Povetkin has the toughness and workrate too trouble Wladimir! They both must win their next fights first. :nono

Wladimir could potentially lose. Sorry too say but nothing is for certain with him. One the other hand it would take a miracle/act of God for Povetkin too not hold up his end.

:nono:nono:nono It's going to take a mircacle/act of God for Povetkin to last 12 rounds against Wladimir.

To tell you the truth, id be more afraid of the guy on the left...looks like a bad dude

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Farmboxer

07-15-2008, 03:30 AM

I hope the fight does not ruin Povetkin's career. Povetkin is just not ready for Vlad.

Kolya

07-15-2008, 02:09 PM

:nono:nono:nono It's going to take a mircacle/act of God for Povetkin to last 12 rounds against Wladimir.

To tell you the truth, id be more afraid of the guy on the left...looks like a bad dude

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:rofl Vlad Hrunov is scary.

southpawslick

07-15-2008, 02:42 PM

:rofl Vlad Hrunov is scary.
He is. He looks like a Russian Tony Soprano:lol:

Alcaldemb

07-15-2008, 04:14 PM

:rofl Vlad Hrunov is scary.

I don't know, he was a pretty nice guy when I met and spoke with him a few times in Germany.

Kolya

07-15-2008, 04:40 PM

I don't know, he was a pretty nice guy when I met and spoke with him a few times in Germany.

Well, he looks scary, you fucking show off. :D

coog

07-15-2008, 09:59 PM

i think that this will be a good fight it is a little early for povetkin but he will learn from this alot

Adaptation

07-17-2008, 01:57 AM

Im worried that if povetkin dosen't win any rounds till the 8th, he will start kicking klitschko, kickboxer style.

KobeIsGod

07-18-2008, 04:59 PM

How will Povetkin defend against the jab, right-cross?
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skier47

07-18-2008, 06:06 PM

How will Povetkin defend against the jab, right-cross?
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He won't. I like Povetkin and I think he has a great future as a
heavyweight boxer but he is not ready for Wlad who is peaking
right now.

Bummy Davis

07-18-2008, 08:58 PM

Chambers has faster hands than Vlad but unless Alex can get through a early beating Vlad should handle him pretty easy...Alex management is in a rush to get to the title but they are not smart because he is not ready to keep it even if he gets lucky...but in this fight if Alex weathers early storm and keeps the pressure on he can land that hook and work Vlad over on the inside but getting through the Jab and right hand is not an easy task and quite dangerous

Rudolph

07-19-2008, 09:11 AM

How will Povetkin defend against the jab, right-cross?
Almost every Klitschko opponent who was noted for carrying his hands low prior to fighting Wlad came into the bout with their guards very hight. Sam Peter and Tony Thompson are two examples.

Artani

07-19-2008, 09:37 AM

I agree with some here who saying that Povetkin is not ready for Wlad. Povetkin first will be good to fight for EBU title with Sinan Samil Sam and to learn to fight in more rounds or Dimitrenko will be good test for him to see with long size how he fighting. Wlad is still better than Povetkin and I will say that Wlad will TKO Povetkin in early rounds.

boxexpert

07-19-2008, 10:39 PM

that fight against vlad is way too early.

povetkin needs to prove his skills vs. highly ranked boxers. having over 20 fights on his account, he can then try it against vlad. anything else before will lead into a desaster

KobeIsGod

07-24-2008, 03:40 AM

Povetkin has much better ring walk music! :yep

agreed. im not Russian but even i get a feeling of nationalistic pride listening to his intro :yep

i've been watching a lot of povetkin's fights lately and noticed a couple more things.

his punches are quicker and sharper than i intially thought. very impressive handspeed inside. i would say his power is better than average but not very good.

fights harder when hit or tired. If gets tagged, he immediately tries to come back. Doesn't really no how to hold.

he is a great worker inside but loses effectiveness as he moves to mid-range then to long-range.

he likes to stand/rest a lot at mid-range. He likes to fire off his quick combinations, then take a step or two back. He has a decent mid-range offense but he will get bombed out by Wlad at that distance.

he tends to keep his hands at high chest level. He doesn't have a high guard like Tony Thompson. He squares himself up too much.

KobeIsGod

07-24-2008, 06:53 PM

Almost every Klitschko opponent who was noted for carrying his hands low prior to fighting Wlad came into the bout with their guards very hight. Sam Peter and Tony Thompson are two examples.

I don't think so my friend. Peter was getting blasted all night long. His defense consists of blocking punches with his face :rofl

Povetkin's guard is not much better. Thompson utilized the high guard before the Wlad fight so he didn't adjust his hands.

Here is Sam Peter's high guard defense. Notice the Tysonesque head movement :lol: :lol: :lol:

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...unless u call a headshake a defensive tactic :yep

Interesting observations KOBE! However all fighters who face Wlad adjust to a high guard, just as Thompson did. It is also quite speculative that Wlad will bomb him out at mid range.

I obviously favor Wlad but the more tjme passes the bigger chance I give Povetkin. Regardless; I feel this will be a very competitive fight. And quite frankly, do not know who I will root for.:huh

i will be rooting for wlad and expecting a dominating performance. the key imo is for wlad to keep busy with the jab therby keeping the fight at mid and long-range. :yep

where are Cardstars and Huki, the 2 biggest Povetkin cheerleaders alive on here?!?

Muchmoore

07-24-2008, 09:06 PM

I've been watching a lot of Povetkin lately, trying to gauge just how good he is.

His hand speed is under rated. While not the fastest in the world, his handspeed is very deceptive. His chin appears to be at least solid. He hasn't been dropped yet as a pro and I don't think he was ever stopped as an amateur. His power isn't great, but he hits hard enough that his oppontents have to respect it, he isn't a featherfist. But what makes Povetkin so good is three things, his stamina, his workrate, and his toughness. He can fight hard for the entire 12 rounds, something that few HWs can do, especially in todays era of giants. His workrate is also special for a HW and he can simply overwhelm some fighters by volume. His toughness also is impressive, he's the sort of fighter that you're going to have to KEEP down. His overall technique is also near the top of the world from his vast amateur experience. Povetkin can outhustle and outwork MANY of todays top guys.

BUT, he also has weaknesses. His defense is somewhat leaky, Chambers was able to tag him with some big right hands that had Wlad been throwing them would of put Povetkin in serious trouble. He definently needs to tighten up his defenses if he wants to beat Wladimir. His lack of serious power could also hurt him if he's fighting someone else who can fight 12 rounds at a fast pace.

Overall, Povetkin is a legitimate top 3, arguably top 2 in front of Valuev in the world today. I think he is being rushed into a fight with Klitschko though, he should try to gun for the WBC or WBA and gain more experience against elite fighters, before taking on the top dog. I favor Klitschko by mid round KO by hitting Povetkin by big right hands throughout the fight, but Povetkin has the potential to grind Wlad down as well and that's what makes it interesting.

Farmboxer

07-25-2008, 01:41 AM

Vlad by TKO or KO.

Kolya

07-25-2008, 01:43 AM

I don't think so my friend. Peter was getting blasted all night long. His defense consists of blocking punches with his face :rofl

Povetkin's guard is not much better. Thompson utilized the high guard before the Wlad fight so he didn't adjust his hands.

Here is Sam Peter's high guard defense. Notice the Tysonesque head movement :lol: :lol: :lol:

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...unless u call a headshake a defensive tactic :yep

i will be rooting for wlad and expecting a dominating performance. the key imo is for wlad to keep busy with the jab therby keeping the fight at mid and long-range. :yep

where are Cardstars and Huki, the 2 biggest Povetkin cheerleaders alive on here?!?

I can't believe you didn't mention me as a Povetkin cheerleader. :bart

KobeIsGod

07-27-2008, 05:27 PM

I can't believe you didn't mention me as a Povetkin cheerleader. :bart

dont worry u certainly have enough time before the fight to work your way up the list of Povetkin nuthuggers :grouphug

11player

07-28-2008, 05:19 PM

This one should be the best HW fight of this year.

Farmboxer

07-29-2008, 01:59 AM

Vlad should have finished Peter in the 12th round while he had Peter drunk as Hell.

I hope Povetkin does not get seriously hurt. I would like to see him fight long into the future.

headers14

07-29-2008, 03:05 AM

It wont even be close

avk47

08-02-2008, 09:09 PM

I'm a Povetkin nuthugger as well. I think you people are underating him...

KobeIsGod

08-03-2008, 10:59 PM

I'm a Povetkin nuthugger as well. I think you people are underating him...

i think povetkin is the 3rd or 4th best hw out there right now. he is very good but wlad is just way above the rest right now. id only favor wlad and peter over him right now.

i dont think it will be a blowout. povetkin will hang in there for the first 6 rounds and land some good shots but wlad's size and power will start to wear him down with the end coming in round 9 via a right-cross. povetkin is just too susceptible to punches right now and u can't let wlad put his hands on u like that for too long. win or lose, povetkin is gonna get busted up pretty badly.

Uppercut83

08-04-2008, 05:14 AM

Wlad wins by late stoppage then gets in the ring with Haye and it turns out to be like the matrix in there

Serenata

08-04-2008, 06:48 AM

Matrix my anus. Haye is a nothing at the moment in HW.

Right now I don´t see a good chance vor Povetkin against Wladimir.

Mendoza

08-04-2008, 07:39 AM

Povetkin is going to need a Margarito like chin at heavyweight ( And this is very rare ) to defeat Wlad. I think Povektin has the will, and good skills, but Wlad is too good, too rangy, and too strong.

Uppercut83

08-04-2008, 08:49 AM

Matrix my anus. Haye is a nothing at the moment in HW.

Right now I don´t see a good chance vor Povetkin against Wladimir.

Neither is Wlad, hes just the chinny boring one.

Every real boxing fan wants the Hayemaker as the top dog, more exciting all round.

Serenata

08-04-2008, 08:54 AM

Neither is Wlad, hes just the chinny boring one.

Every real boxing fan wants the Hayemaker as the top dog, more exciting all round.

Right, Wladimir is ONLY the best HW of this era. Your "Hayelicking" starts to get annoying. Until his first real fight in HW he is of no concern...

Alcaldemb

08-04-2008, 10:50 AM

Wlad wins by late stoppage then gets in the ring with Haye and it turns out to be like the matrix in there

Do you Haye fan boys have to crash every heavyweight thread? By the way if I had to make a choice between Povetkin and Haye I'd pick Povetkin. One need only watch the Mormeck and Fragomeni fights to see how bad of a style Povetkin is for Haye.

KobeIsGod

08-05-2008, 01:23 PM

Do you Haye fan boys have to crash every heavyweight thread? By the way if I had to make a choice between Povetkin and Haye I'd pick Povetkin. One need only watch the Mormeck and Fragomeni fights to see how bad of a style Povetkin is for Haye.

Precisely! Fragomeni had 9kos in 20+ fights yet was able to physcially bully Haye around the ring and land at will. Luckily for Haye, the Italian was a midget and had 0 power. Peter and Povetkin are Haye's worst nightmare in terms of styles. I would pick Povetkin by stoppage without hesitation. Peter might kill Haye :yep

Haye has to prove he wont be physically dominated to convince me otherwise....and the only way that's gonna happen is if he actutally fights legit hws. talking shit from the Sentana studio doesnt convince me as easily as it does with his maniac british fanboys

Now, the major problem for Povetkin against Wlad is the jab, foot movement and clinching. he's really up against it in this one.

KobeIsGod

08-05-2008, 01:32 PM

Povetkin would defeat Sam Peter!

the only reason i hesitate to pick Povetkin is his lack of experience. He really hasnt faced a big puncher and Peter despite his faults is much stronger than povetkin. If povetkin languishes on the inside too much, he's playing peter's game. Peter's rabbit punches are very dangerous. I think it's a favorable style match up for Peter.

I think Povetkin is far more skilled and most likely the better fighter but he needs to prove a little bit more. Against the other top hws, id pick him because they lack big power and povetkin's workrate would prove to be the difference.

Even if he loses against wlad, he might show he is the 2nd best hw out there. Povetkin will make it a very interesting fight but Wlad knows how to wear a smaller opponent down as well as anyone around today. :hi:

KobeIsGod

03-23-2010, 02:41 AM

Vysotsky

03-23-2010, 04:05 AM

any changes in opinion on this match? i think wlad looks even better now. his performances against chagaev and chambers really showcased his tremendous foot and hand speed. the low level of opposition for povetkin since he faced chambers makes it very difficult to judge his progress.

I still want to see this cause Povetkin is the best contender out there. maybe he will come in and surprise everybody. i hope sauerland lets this fight happen in the summer.

fucking better happen, its been almost 3 years now.

im sure he'd like more time to improve on his footwork and upperbody movement that atlas is helping him with but its time. if he turns down klitschko again im done being a fan of his.

p.Townend

03-23-2010, 04:18 AM

Its a good match up,at least Povetkin is in with a chance and will be up for the job.I see Wlad winning but this is a far better fight than Vittali v sosnowski.

11player

03-23-2010, 10:45 PM

IMO, Povetkin has the power to trouble Wlad, if he hits flush the fight may turn his way. He is tough, hungry and underrated.

This fight should be competitive, but in the end I too believe Wlad will break down Povetkin and get a late stoppage.

Grecorussian

03-24-2010, 03:23 AM

IntentionalButt

03-24-2010, 04:03 AM

Wow, Klitschko-Povetkin was supposed to happen in November 2008? :lol:

Grecorussian

03-24-2010, 06:14 AM

Wow, Klitschko-Povetkin was supposed to happen in November 2008? :lol:
13 December 2008 I think :yep

mapko

03-24-2010, 09:58 AM

Certainly , Sascha will trouble him more than all the others (in recent history) . But still , I don't think it will be enough. The most Povetkin can get IMO is to avoid the KO . I was scared by Klitschko's last 2 fights . He is getting better as years pass
Anyway, I pray for Pov !!! Good luck Sascha (IF the fight happens)

Yes and Emmanuel Steward is finally getting Vlad's aggression and killer instinct to come out from hibernation. Vlad got much more serious about knocking Chambers out after that tongue lashing Steward gave him before the last round. I don't see many more of his fights going to the scorecards anymore.

taobum70

03-24-2010, 12:36 PM

Neither is Wlad, hes just the chinny boring one.

Every real boxing fan wants the Hayemaker as the top dog, more exciting all round.

Pretty arrogant to define "real boxing fans" by sharing your preference for an unproven (at HW) fighter who talked all the trash about how he would only go for the Klitschkos and not cherry pick, then bitches out of fighting them both and goes for Valuev, putting on an incredibly boring performance to win a title that Valuev only had due to politics...

Haye is a loudmouth who rarely fights and bitched out of negotiations with Johnson, Rahman, the Klitschkos. I am a real boxing fan and I don't need an arrogant diva who fights once a year and talks like he is the second coming of Ali.

NBT

03-24-2010, 02:41 PM

Wow, Klitschko-Povetkin was supposed to happen in November 2008? :lol:
Well, Povetkin is the IBF mandatory for Wlad since January 2008 ...
Since beating Chambers for the title shot (who nevertheless got his shot at Wlad before him) he has really stepped up in competion to prepare himself for Wlad: Taurus Sykes,Jason Estrada, Leo Nolan, Javier Mora... :lol:

joeboxer

03-24-2010, 03:34 PM

a big difference between povetkin and chambers is that povetkin will keep coming and keep trying to get inside and throw punches. I doubt it will work, but at least he'll be a live opponnent.

Armo_Ruski

03-24-2010, 04:01 PM

i member povetkin face being bruised up after he fought chambers, im afraid wlad will make his face look like tom cruise in the movie "VANILLA SKY" :bbb:admin

NBT

03-24-2010, 04:17 PM

a big difference between povetkin and chambers is that povetkin will keep coming and keep trying to get inside and throw punches. I doubt it will work, but at least he'll be a live opponnent.
I think it's safe to assume that most of Wlad's opponents in recent years went in with the idea to "keep coming", "to walk him down", "to pressure him", etc. because everybody keeps saying that Wlad supposedly can't fight on his backfoot and doesn't like/can't deal with pressure, but that always changed after they took a few shots. It will be interesting to see if it's different with Povetkin. No doubt he'll try that because it is the only thing that might possibly work at all, I don't see anyone besides Vitali who could potentially outbox/-slug Wlad from mid-/long range, but basically it needs to be executed in perfection and I doubt Povetkin with his defensive liabilities can sustain that.

Farmboxer

03-26-2010, 03:33 AM

Povetkin has zero chance. Vlad by vicious knockout. I hate to see it, but it will be scary.

Grecorussian

03-31-2010, 12:18 PM

Check this. :?
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"Klitschko cancels Povetkin talks"

"Negotiations on the bout between WBO and IBF heavyweight champ Wladimir Klitschko and IBF mandatory challenger Aleksandr Povetkin of Russia, which began last week, have been cancelled by the Ukrainian’s side.
“This mandatory [bout] is priority. Officially, the negotiations started last week. We had talks scheduled for yesterday, but the Klitschko side canceled them at the last moment for reasons unknown to us. [Povetkin’s team is] open for negotiations and wants to get it done,” Chris Meyer, managing director for Sauerland Event, said to ***********.com.

Meyer also explained that Povetkin's back is against the wall. If he takes on another boxer he will lose his chance to face Wladimir Klitschko, as the IBF will take away his mandatory ranking.
Meyer added that he is hoping to reach a deal with Klitschko's management before the IBF orders both sides to take part in a purse bid.

Meanwhile, Klitschko’s manager Bernd Bente told Sportbox.ru that Wladimir will not try to avoid facing Povetkin under any circumstances.
“I think that Sauerland would like to see Povetkin facing Klitschko right now. He realizes that his boxer has no chance of winning and he is looking for a loophole that would allow Povetkin better preparation. In his last fight against Mora, Povetkin did not show anything. But we are prepared to fight him and are ready to organize the match after the summer break. If for some reason – because of injury or some other – Povetkin won’t be able to box – no problem. But we will be facing Povetkin in the end and won’t apply for exemption from the bout for Wladimir,” he said.
As IBF mandatory challenger, Aleksandr Povetkin was to appear in the ring against Wladimir Klitschko on December 2008, but the fight was cancelled due to the Russian boxer injuring himself prior to the match.
The 30-year-old Russian, remains undefeated after 19 professional bouts. He says he is ready to face the champ at any moment, but there are specialists who doubt his readiness."

KobeIsGod

04-02-2010, 10:53 PM

yeah Greco-Also the IBF ordered a purse bid

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...the IBF has given the camps of Wladimir Klitschko and Alexander Povetkin a deadline of April 26 to reach a deal or the fight would head to a purse bid. Povetkin became the mandatory challenger to Klitschko's IBF title in 2008. Two weeks ago in Germany, Klitschko knocked out Eddie Chambers to retain the IBF, IBO and WBO heavyweight[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]***********.com/forums/showthread.php?t=372158#) titles.

I am looking forward to this match. It's long overdue and the Atlas effect makes it more compelling. Povetkin is the #2 ranked contender in the world so he certainly is a good opponent. Hopefully, Povetkin will come to win and make a good fight. I would like to see Wlad in a competitive fight.

Hopefully, Povetkin stays on a treadmill this time and out of the forest :p

Rudolph

05-25-2010, 06:50 PM

Said Vitali in response to team Povetkin demands of Olympic style testing: "Wladimir must fight Povetkin to defend his IBF belt and he will undergo anti doping tests with accordance to the rules of the Wold Boxing Federation. Test samples are sent to the International Sports laboratory in Cologne, Germany, one of the most technically advanced labs in the world. If anyone is having any doubts about the quality of their work, they are free to send them written inquiries".

Nosbor

05-26-2010, 11:22 PM

Grecorussian

05-27-2010, 04:31 AM

Much talk about the dopping . I wonder what else team Povetkin will come up with to delay the fight :yep

Nosbor

05-27-2010, 06:42 PM

Atlas is no doubt behind this. He is so bad for Sasha. Atlas is making him look like a whiney, spoiled American fighter.

BoxingFan2010

07-13-2010, 10:02 AM

Yea I agree totally with this. Klitschko is just a very bad match for Povetkin and always will be.

:thumbsup agree

kenmore

07-17-2010, 09:06 PM

As much as I like Povetkin, I can't picture him troubling Vlad. Povetkin can be hit; Teddy Atlas's influence doesn't change that reality. I envision Povetkin standing right in front of Vlad, getting hit by brutal rights and left hooks. Sure, Povetkin will try to brawl, to get inside and exploit Vlad's so-so chin. No doubt Povetkin will try to put Vlad on the defensive, where Vlad does not do so well. But I doubt Povetkin's attack will get past Vlad's jabs. This fight will end in a brutal kayo by the eighth round. I really wish Povetkin had gone for Haye instead of Vlad.

Nosbor

07-18-2010, 12:35 AM

Povetkin is the best heavyweight in the World not named Klitschko.

Flyin Ryan

07-20-2010, 11:05 PM

Povetkin is the best heavyweight in the World not named Klitschko.

good for him, once he gets knocked out by Wlad he can go fight Valuev, Haye, Arreola, Peter, Chagaev, and the rest of them to prove that

IntentionalButt

07-20-2010, 11:35 PM

good for him, once he gets knocked out by Wlad he can go fight Valuev, Haye, Arreola, Peter, Chagaev, and the rest of them to prove that

You can scratch Arreola and Peter off that list since both are below his best win (Chambers).

Flyin Ryan

07-21-2010, 12:51 AM

You can scratch Arreola and Peter off that list since both are below his best win (Chambers).

I hate this mentality, it's so stupid and explains why the sport's gone to sh*t so well. When you lose to the champ, you should have to fight a B-fighter to maintain your position as a top contender, you shouldn't go down and knockout 4 D-fighters with no chance in hell and then say "I'm ready to fight the champ". If Povetkin does chicken out that's how Peter is going to get another title shot. It's a complete p*ssy mentality, the fighter has not proven anything since his losing his shot at the title.

Here's all the fighters the two Klitschkos combined to have beaten since 2005, going a combined 15-0:

Sam Peter x 2
Chris Byrd
Calvin Brock
Ray Austin
Lamon Brewster
Sultan Ibragimov
Tony Thompson
Hasim Rahman
Ruslan Chagaev
Eddie Chambers
Juan Carlos Gomez
Chris Arreola
Kevin Johnson
Albert Sosnowski

Throw in Povetkin, Valuev, Ruiz, Haye, Adamek, Liakhovich, Dimitrenko, and Briggs since he's looking to be Vitali's next fight and that's your title fighters/contenders list for the heavyweight division for the past half-decade. Here's all the fights those fighters have done against each other since the beginning of 2005, five and a half years' worth of work, seasoned veterans and up-and-comers and guys that've gotten established in that time, and this is the crem de la crem after the Klitschkos.

Chambers (3-1): def. Brock, lost Povetkin, def. Peter, def. Dimitrenko
Valuev (3-2): def. Ruiz x 2, def. Liakhovich, lost Chagaev, lost Haye
Haye (2-0): def. Ruiz, def. Valuev
Povetkin (2-0): def. Byrd, def. Chambers
Chagaev (2-0): def. Valuev, def. Ruiz
Ibragimov (1-0-1): draw Austin, def. Briggs (now retired apparently)
Adamek (1-0): def. Arreola
Briggs (1-1): def. Liakhovich, lost Ibragimov
Liakhovich (1-2): def. Brewster, lost Briggs, lost Valuev
Austin (0-0-1): draw Ibragimov
Dimitrenko (0-1): lost Chambers
Arreola (0-1): lost Adamek
Brewster (0-1): lost Liakhovich
Brock (0-1): lost Chambers (now retired)
Byrd (0-1): lost Povetkin (now retired apparently)
Peter (0-1): lost Chambers
Ruiz (0-4): lost Valuev x 2, lost Chagaev, lost Haye

No fights against anyone listed: Rahman, Thompson, Gomez, Johnson, Sosnowski

So between these 22 guys, they've had a grand total of 17 fights amongst themselves, and you can make an argument this is the immediate depth of the heavyweight division underneath the Klitschko brothers. :-(

What the hell has Povetkin done since he beat Chambers 30 months ago? Taurus Sykes, Jason Estrada, Leo Nolan, Javier Mora. About time all these guys start fighting each other. The only fighters that appear to have any balls are Valuev and Chambers.

IntentionalButt

07-21-2010, 01:02 AM

You misunderstand me. Povetkin certainly does need to prove himself after his recent run in order to "deserve" a title shot.

However, my comment stemmed from fairly low regard for Arreola and Peter as opponents - they wouldn't represent "must-win" opportunities to help prove himself, and would constitute backward steps from his win over Chambers 30 months ago. Granted, they'd be a slight step up from Sykes and Mora, but they wouldn't be the best he'd faced, and he should face better to earn a top ranking. Wins like Chambers again, or better are the way to go.

Flyin Ryan

07-21-2010, 01:03 AM

You misunderstand me. Povetkin certainly does need to prove himself after his recent run in order to "deserve" a title shot.

However, my comment stemmed from fairly low regard for Arreola and Peter as opponents - they wouldn't represent "must-win" opportunities to help prove himself, and would constitute backward steps from his win over Chambers 30 months ago.

Just because A beats B and B beats C does not mean A beats C.

IntentionalButt

07-21-2010, 01:05 AM

Just because A beats B and B beats C does not mean A beats C.

I'm not using A>B>C logic though, I'm using my opinion of both Arreola and Peter h2h in general.

Flyin Ryan

07-21-2010, 01:13 AM

I'm not using A>B>C logic though, I'm using my opinion of both Arreola and Peter h2h in general.

How do you know? None of these guys with the exception of Valuev and Chambers have been fighting anyone high up on the depth list to give any relative measuring stick. That's the point! Don't want Povetkin to fight Peter or Arreola? Fine, there's 15 other guys on that list I put on, so it's not like there's little choice on the issue. And if some of them are stiffs that Povetkin would beat easily, Povetkin and his camp based on their actions over the past two years would be jumping head over heels to sign a fight with that guy.

Farmboxer

07-21-2010, 03:01 AM

Vlad will stop Povetkin. Povetkin would stop Haye.

CHEF

07-21-2010, 09:48 PM

FIGHT IS DEAD.... forget it

kenmore

07-22-2010, 12:54 AM

FIGHT IS DEAD.... forget it

This is incredible. That makes two leading heavyweights in the past year who have thrown away their chance to fight the champ. Absolutely incredible. When was the last time we had a heavyweight champ who inspired that kind of dread? Challengers refusing their chance to fight the top dog. Multiple challengers.

Anyway, I agree with Povetkin's people. He stands no chance against Vlad and is much better off fighting Haye, or whoever succeeds Vitali.

Nosbor

07-22-2010, 03:57 AM

I am assuming the September 18 date stays in place? Team Klitschko simply brings in a replacement: Such as the next highest rated boxer-Sam Peter!

Great post Flyin Ryan!!!

Just found out on the main forum. Wlad is fighting Peter on September 11!

Sounds good!

11player

07-22-2010, 10:35 PM

If Wlad fights Peter or Dimitrenko next, two good options, it's still a pretty good fight. Solis or Boytsov would be great as well.

IBF gotta drop Povetkin out of the mandatory position and lower him like they did to BJ Flores for turning down a title fight.

11player

07-24-2010, 05:20 PM

Hey guys, just want to throw an idea out here to discuss. I'm still finding it strange that Povetkin jumped out of the fight with Wlad, leaving behind a 2 million payday. Unless he had a better/similar option.

I'm starting to believe there might be a Haye vs Povetkin fight cooking, considering:

- Haye is dragging extremelly long the announcement of his opponent despite having the fight with Audley pretty much set for months already;
- Sauerland has options on Haye from the Valuev fight;
- Povetkin is Sauerland's fighter and the one with the best chance to beat Haye;
- The fight should make a lot of money and seems exciting enough to atract attention;
- Povetkin may make the same payday on this but have a much bigger chance of winning.

It makes some sense, doesn't it? I'm just speculating but would not be surprised to hear about this fight being donne soon.