BJ Penn vs. David Tua

[cross_trainer]

Weird fight for you--who wins this one prime for prime under MMA rules?

[Dostoevsky]

Are you being serious?

[Doppleganger]

BJ Penn does. Tua could catch Penn as he shoots and his raw strength and power might give Penn problems on the ground but BJ should submit him fairly quickly all things considered.

[cross_trainer]

Are you being serious?

Not really. This is just a "fun" matchup.

[Amsterdam]

Penn submission 1. However, if Tua did catch him with those 4 ounce gloves.:scaredas:

[Donut62]

The fight would be decided as they closed in. God help any human being who takes a 4oz gloved punch from Tua. On the the ground BJ would have problems with the size and strength, but should be able to swing around and take his back easily and tap him out.

[achillesthegreat]

I saw Penn having a lot of trouble with Machida, just based on the fact is much bigger. Tua is huge, strong and powerful. If Tua is just dumb, he can be beaten but if he has some intelligence I think his size and strength will make him hard to take down. Tua punching BJ with 4oz gloves - heaven forbid.

[Donut62]

I saw Penn having a lot of trouble with Machida, just based on the fact is much bigger.

He is much bigger plus he is a brazilian ju jitsu wizard with great clinch and muay thai work. I don't Penn would be so tentative if he knew the other guy only had his hands.

[achillesthegreat]

He is much bigger plus he is a brazilian ju jitsu wizard with great clinch and muay thai work. I don't Penn would be so tentative if he knew the other guy only had his hands.
Would Tua only have his hands? Why do people think all boxers are morons who have no sense of the fact they can hold, use their legs etc

Plus, from what I saw Machida wasn't a wizard. He was just big, passive, tentative and defensive. Still his strength alone, i.e. in wanting to stay standing, meant BJ had difficulty.

BJ would have to call upon all his skills because he wouldn't sensationally outgunned because of size.

[Amsterdam]

Would Tua only have his hands? Why do people think all boxers are morons who have no sense of the fact they can hold, use their legs etc

Nobody has insisted that, the insist is that if a boxer gets locked up by a Jiu Jitsu expert, rendering their punching useless, renders them useless. It's really not easy to argue against this also.


Plus, from what I saw Machida wasn't a wizard. He was just big, passive, tentative and defensive. Still his strength alone, i.e. in wanting to stay standing, meant BJ had difficulty.


While Tua is light years ahead in hand to hand striking from boxing, Machida is light years ahead in knowledge about how to defend against this level of advanced grappling.


BJ would have to call upon all his skills because he wouldn't sensationally outgunned because of size.


He'd get Tua down and subbed pretty quick, most likely a RNC, unless Tua caught him, which I'd never rule that out. If Tua catches him flush....:scaredas:

... that's quite a thought.

[achillesthegreat]

Nobody has insisted that, the insist is that if a boxer gets locked up by a Jiu Jitsu expert, rendering their punching useless, renders them useless. It's really not easy to argue against this also.
I'm not saying anyone has insisted it. Generally that is the case and it is mostly what people imply. I know what a JJ expert can do, I'm saying Tuas a big guy so it'll be hard to do.

While Tua is light years ahead in hand to hand striking from boxing, Machida is light years ahead in knowledge about how to defend against this level of advanced grappling.
Definitely but I am talking about the difficulty Penn had merely from a size point of view.

He'd get Tua down and subbed pretty quick, most likely a RNC, unless Tua caught him, which I'd never rule that out. If Tua catches him flush....:scaredas:

... that's quite a thought.
It's intriguing but I'm not 100% sure on anything.

[curtis]

wandy vs hunt anyone?

[Donut62]

wandy vs hunt anyone?

That would be a shitty BJ Penn vs a shitty David Tua. Hunt is closer to a Tua than Wandy is to a BJ Penn (no offense to Wandy, but he's a not a BJJ based fighter like BJ). But I could definetely see it being similar.