Is Mikkel Kessler the best fighter who Joe's faced?

[marting]

Is Mikkel Kessler the best fighter who Joe's faced?

I'm from near St. Pete and I just wanna know.

[DaHead242]

that question will be answered after the fight.

[Primadonna Kool]

Chris Eubank.

[ChuckYoungblood]

Definately. Kessler is in his prime, where Eubanks was over the hill and Lacy was too green. They are his greatest wins and in my mind Kessler is a notch above both right now.

And I think Kessler can raise his level against Calzaghe, who he wont be able to dominate like his previous opponents. Kessler wins UD..

[barneyrub]

Is Mikkel Kessler the best fighter who Joe's faced?

I'm from near St. Pete and I just wanna know.Id say that so far the best fighter joe has faced was an old weight drained Eubank, so yeah Kessler will be the best opponent he has faced.

[deram]

Kessler is by far the best. The only names that comes close is Eubank, and Eubank was clearly past it when they fought. Not so old, but anyone that was following boxing at the time knew Chris was past it.

Even a prime Eubank is a step behind Kessler imo. However, Kessler-Eubank would still be a see-worthy fight. Those days with Collins, Eubank and Benn were great days for British SMW, but a very weak period for the weight as such.

[Amsterdam]

Kessler is by far the best. The only names that comes close is Eubank, and Eubank was clearly past it when they fought. Not so old, but anyone that was following boxing at the time knew Chris was past it.

Even a prime Eubank is a step behind Kessler imo. However, Kessler-Eubank would still be a see-worthy fight. Those days with Collins, Eubank and Benn were great days for British SMW, but a very weak period for the weight as such.

I'll put it this way, Eubank for the Calzaghe bout, was in a similiar condition as to Calzaghe is at 34-35.

So if Kessler wins, he gets massive credit for defeating Calzaghe, but let's keep the credit into accordance if we want to be UNBIASED.

Eubank was well fit for the Calzaghe fight.

[THN]

I think so!

[yesihavearm]

Even a prime Eubank is a step behind Kessler imo.



I'm still laughing at that 10mins after seeing it.

Seriously Deram, when you gonna get your tongue out of Kessler's ass ?

[dwilson]

Eubank will prob be always be considered the best JC has ever faced. Mikkel will take amazing amounts of credit if he wins but if JC comes out on top I would still side with Eubank. Depends on the manner of the win, whoever gets it.

[EpsilonAxis]

Lacy might have been. Kessler is probably the most proven threat.

Don't sell Lacy short. EVERYONE thought he was a prime fighter who would likely crush Calzaghe. He was instead given a thorough beatdown, the worst many have seen.

[Cross of Iron]

Most boxers are in their prime at 28-32 , it is a combination of experience and physical abilities.

[lw2005]

eubank was an extremely perplexing puzzle to solve but as stated... he was past his peak when they fought. kessler is his greatest challenge to date

[Beebs]

He'll be the best until after the fight then it will be claimed he was overrated.

[Brighton bomber]

Kessler is still unproven compared to Eubank so it's hard to say if he is a better fighter than an in decline Eubank. I personally can't imagine Kessler giving prime Thompson a life and death struggle at cruiserweight so I'll say Kessler is not the best fighter Calzaghe has face.

[Smazz20]

Depends on how the fight pans out. If Calzaghe beats him similar to how he beat Lacy, then Kessler will of been just another padded record Euro bum.

[New Wind]

Just watched Eubank-Benn..

Mundine would run circles around that slow dude. Benn has no defence and would also heve his head served on a plate by Mundine.

Why even bring Kessler into a discussion about this?

[deram]

Just watched Eubank-Benn..

Mundine would run circles around that slow dude. Benn has no defence and would also heve his head served on a plate by Mundine.

Why even bring Kessler into a discussion about this?

He probably would. I think Mundine should fight Taylor next so we can get some things set straight.

[dwilson]

AT LAST THE ausies have entered the debate with the hype machine Mundine. Jouney man pro at best.

[JCN]

Its all about styles. Eubank even in his prime did a lot of posing which is the wrong style against the aggressive windmile style punching Calzaghe. Kessler will try and dominate a lot more than a counterpunching Eubanks. I think whoever dominates the middle of the ring will win this fight and they are both masters of the ringgeneralship so I see it as a pick em fight.

[Marquito_666]

Kessler is the best, and really the only fight left at SMW for Joe...but after the fight I don´t think ppl will say that Kessler was the best fighter Joe ever faced.

My answer is no.

[ApatheticLeader]

Lacy might have been. Kessler is probably the most proven threat.

Don't sell Lacy short. EVERYONE thought he was a prime fighter who would likely crush Calzaghe. He was instead given a thorough beatdown, the worst many have seen.
No! No! No! No! NOOOOO!!!!

[Vantage_West]

Id say that so far the best fighter joe has faced was an old weight drained Eubank, so yeah Kessler will be the best opponent he has faced.how was eubank wieght drained...he has been wieght drained his whole career then and he wasnt as old as people think he was he then went to cruiser to give th wbo cruiserwieght champion the fight of his life.

[Vantage_West]

Kessler is the best, and really the only fight left at SMW for Joe...but after the fight I don´t think ppl will say that Kessler was the best fighter Joe ever faced.

My answer is no.damn good point if/when/after kessler loses he will look like a protected fighter or somthing like that.

[Betty Swollocks]

Lacy might have been. Kessler is probably the most proven threat.

Don't sell Lacy short. EVERYONE thought he was a prime fighter who would likely crush Calzaghe. He was instead given a thorough beatdown, the worst many have seen.

exactly, Lacy has smashed a couple of good, solid fighters and most were picking him to win. He looked fine against Tskyko before his shoulder fucked. People have short memories.
Lacy was more hyped than Kessler is now. Look for Calzaghe to smash Kessler.

[Sonny's jab]

I'll put it this way, Eubank for the Calzaghe bout, was in a similiar condition as to Calzaghe is at 34-35.

So if Kessler wins, he gets massive credit for defeating Calzaghe, but let's keep the credit into accordance if we want to be UNBIASED.

Eubank was well fit for the Calzaghe fight.

Eubank came in at late-notice and had been training for a light-heavyweight fight since he was by then campaigning at 175 pounds.
In the few days before the fight, he had to lose an EXTRA seven pounds.

[Sonny's jab]

how was eubank wieght drained...he has been wieght drained his whole career then and he wasnt as old as people think he was he then went to cruiser to give th wbo cruiserwieght champion the fight of his life.

Eubank moved up to light-heavy because he had become too big for 168.
He had a history of making weight, and had put on a lot of muscle during his boxing career.

But when Steve Collins pulled out and retired at the last minute for a defense against Joe Calzaghe of the WBO super-middle title, Eubank was offered to step in if he could get down to 168.
So, he had to make the weight not for 175 but for 168 ! At late notice, in a division he had already "outgrown" !

So, I would guess he was weight-drained.

[Jinx]

Chris Eubank.

Eubank was nowhere near prime...Kessler is the best Joe will face...

[Muskyrat]

When kessler fights and beats guys the quality of some of eubanks opponents then compare them.
up to now he still needs more big names on his record to be considered any where near as good as some of u lot are sayin he is.
as for calzaghe, he's beaten whats been put in front of him and for a long time now, sometimes with broken hands.
gonna be a career defining fight for kessler and a big risk for calzaghe cos if he wins they'll say kessler was hyped up.

[Throwing doubles]

Kessler destroys Calzaghe in six...

[McGrain]

By some considerable distance i think.

[PeterNielsen70]

Funnily enough, Calzaghe won't be losing sleep over a style that is tailor made for him - I think Bika gave him more difficulty than Kessler is going too.

Blocky – it almost sounds like you have this information from first hand – from Joe’s bedroom.:think

But I’m delighted to hear that old-man-Joe is in great shape. He will need it on November 3rd.:bbb

[PeterNielsen70]

After this fight Kessler will never be the same again and you Danes will have to go back to spending your nights wanking your shafts to bacon instead of Kessler:yep

Kessler isn't even good, he will be humiliated badly to the chants of "Easy Easy" just like Lacy, Kessler has no idea what he is getting himself in for, he might even spend a few nights in hospital after the fight.

Yaeh – Kessler is a weak clumsy guy you mean? I think old-man-Joe should be very pleased with himself if he can go the full 12 round distance on November 3rd. But we’ll see. And don’t bad talk Danish bacon – the greatest meat in town.:bbb

[deram]

Yaeh – Kessler is a weak clumsy guy you mean? I think old-man-Joe should be very pleased with himself if he can go the full 12 round distance on November 3rd. But we’ll see. And don’t bad talk Danish bacon – the greatest meat in town.:bbb

Peter, I honestly think that that is an extremely unconvincing and weak defense. If your reason why Kessler will win, is "Calzaghe is getting old" then you are in effect saying that Kessler does not have the skill etc. to beat Calzaghe. "I really don't think Kessler is that good, but I think Calzaghe is old so maybe he can win anyway".

With "fans" like that Kessler doesn't need haters.

On the other hand, you did say that you were Welsh and if so I can understand it more.

[PeterNielsen70]

Peter, I honestly think that that is an extremely unconvincing and weak defense. If your reason why Kessler will win, is "Calzaghe is getting old" then you are in effect saying that Kessler does not have the skill etc. to beat Calzaghe. "I really don't think Kessler is that good, but I think Calzaghe is old so maybe he can win anyway".

With "fans" like that Kessler doesn't need haters.

On the other hand, you did say that you were Welsh and if so I can understand it more.

I actually think that Kessler’s physical strength, pin point accuracy, ring generalship and punching power at least will equal Joe’s hand speed, awkward stance, work rate etc. Joe is getter older and thereby his greatest assets are further diminished (apart from his experience). I think Kessler will be able to handle Joe’s hand speed and counter fine.
Joe throws a lot of punches, which normally works very fine for him, but against a precision counter puncher like Kessler it could turn out to be a drawback. :bbb

[PeterNielsen70]

We've never seen Kessler produce the workrate of a Calzaghe - despite him being in with guys where he could've easily done it.

We've never seen Kessler open up into four to five punch flurries, despite him being in with guys where he could easily have done it

We've never seen Kessler fight against anyone with real talent, combined with competitive edge.

You're asking Kessler to be at his best ever, against his hardest ever challenge - that's ludicrous.

You're saying that he has handspeed to match Joe, that his countering is one of the best in the business (HAHAHAHA) and that he has precision in his favour. Kessler isn't a counter puncher, he's a jabber, he unleashes the right on the end of the jab - Joe is much more of a counter puncher and more importantly, Joe takes away Kessler's money punch - the jab.

Note what Hopkins did to Winky over the weekend? Took away his money punch by using the angle of Orthodox vs Southpaw and made it impossible for Winky to establish what he is used to establishing - a strong jab game

Writing is on the wall, fucker - if you can't see it - You're a fucking dreamer.

I certainly expect that Kessler will be able to do more harm on Joe, than Winky was able doing on Hopkins.:yep Besides, Kessler isn’t a super welterweight moving up to SMW, as far as I know. I’ll agree that Joe is more of a counter puncher than Kessler, but don’t expect that Kessler will be all too bewildered when Joe comes in with his slaps, even though delivered fast. If Joe wants to control this fight, he’ll have to come forward, and he can be a “little” open an unprotected when doing so. Where will be plenty of opportunities for Kessler as a precision puncher to counter – and he’ll be successful in doing that. But Kessler will of course try to take the centre of the ring leading with his jab, and Joe will have to work to get inside. It could very well turn out to be a nightmare for good-old-Joe on Nov. 3rd.

So I’ll keep on dreaming. Kessler UD 116-112 times 3.
How to deliver a left jab on a southpaw - by the way ---> :ko

[Lead Right]

Calzaghe and his fans are in for a huge shock.

One word: distance.

[Cruiser1]

I would say Eubank but he was past his best as previously mentioned on this thread so I am gonna say that Kessler is the best fighter that Joe will have faced. I think this is a 50/50 fight all the way with the slight edge to Joe perhaps because of the home field advantage.

[Laydown]

I would say Eubank but he was past his best as previously mentioned on this thread so I am gonna say that Kessler is the best fighter that Joe will have faced. I think this is a 50/50 fight all the way with the slight edge to Joe perhaps because of the home field advantage.

:good spot on

[ThePlugInBabies]

Just watched Eubank-Benn..

Mundine would run circles around that slow dude. Benn has no defence and would also heve his head served on a plate by Mundine.

Why even bring Kessler into a discussion about this?

:patsch :rofl hilarious, benn would absolutely smash mundine into next year, mundine fanboys are fucking deluded.

do you know how hard benn hit? if featherfisted ottke stops mundine then benn knocks his head into the crowd.

[BoppaZoo]

in terms of Prime.

Kessler will be the best Win on Calzaghe list if he can win.

Eubanks was good but of course he was 32 when he fought Calzaghe.

But 32 isnt that old.

Eubanks best Wins were Michael Watson,Thulani Malinga,Juan Ferreyra,Tony Thornton and Nigel Benn.

now Kessler best wins are Manny Siaca,Eric Lucas,Librado Andrade,Anthony Mundine and Markus Beyer.

Now when you look at that there pretty close. But with Kessler being in his Prime. Kesller would in fact be the best name on Calzaghe resume if he was to win.

[LeedsLad]

There's alot of disrespect to Eubank in this thread, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever in what Kessler has done so far to suggest he is even on the same level as Eubank.

Here's something you guys may not know, Eubank did take the fight on short notice and have to shed weight. But Chris waited till the last week to shed all the weight anyway. Every fight in his career he would be well over the limit with a couple of weeks till the fight and shed it quickly.

How can you say Siaca, Lucas, Beyer, Andrade and Mundine are close to Eubank's wins??? OMG:lol: :lol: :lol: Watson and Benn beat all 5 of those guys in more convincing fashion than Kessler.

Collins whipped a 4 years younger Eubank TWICE, as well as benn, and nothing, nor lame excuses can change that. I'd say Kessler/Collins would be a war
Did you actually see the fight??? It was anything but "whipped" both fights were close fights. A guy who is past his prime doesnt step-up in a weight class and give a world class with a massive size advantage so much trouble. There were also rumours Collins bottled that fight because he didnt fancy it with Joe, but i know there probably not true.

Il re-evaluate this after i see how Kessler handles Calzaghe, but as far as im concerned Chris Eubank is a better win than Kessler atm.

[BoppaZoo]

Im not taking anything away from Chris Eubanks. But theres a huge difference what i meant by it.

what i meant by it is that Calzaghe was young and fighting an older Eubanks.

and although Kesslers wins are not quite as good there not to bad.

Calzaghe will be fighting a Prime Kessler and Calzaghe will be the older man at the end of his career.
also he will be fighting Kessler a man in his Prime currently holding 2 major belts.

So this is a great win to Calzaghe if he wins and i would really rate it becuase Kessler for me is Prime and ready and beating a Prime guy at the top at his game is very impressive for me.

but there alot of boxers out there that beat older versions of a fighter but fewer that hold there own later in life against a Prime Champ.

It will be a great win if Joe wins and i feel for me his greatest considering Joe's age and Kessler being well at the top of his game.

[LeedsLad]

Im not taking anything away from Chris Eubanks. But theres a huge difference what i meant by it.

what i meant by it is that Calzaghe was young and fighting an older Eubanks.

and although Kesslers wins are not quite as good there not to bad.

Calzaghe will be fighting a Prime Kessler and Calzaghe will be the older man at the end of his career.
also he will be fighting Kessler a man in his Prime currently holding 2 major belts.

So this is a great win to Calzaghe if he wins and i would really rate it becuase Kessler for me is Prime and ready and beating a Prime guy at the top at his game is very impressive for me.

but there alot of boxers out there that beat older versions of a fighter but fewer that hold there own later in life against a Prime Champ.

It will be a great win if Joe wins and i feel for me his greatest considering Joe's age and Kessler being well at the top of his game.

I see what your saying mate, and your right Kessler is right in the middle of his prime. Although i dont think Eubank was primed, he wasnt far out of it and he was still a world class fighter. I hope after the fight if Calzaghe wins people do appreciate it as a great victory, and not write Kessler of as over-hyped, which i think the haters will try and do.

[satyriion]

The reason Kessler is the best opponent Joe will ever meet, is because he is the one defeating him, in front on 60ooo+ guys who cant believe what they have just witnessed.

Kessler has beat all the southpaws convincingly. Its even more fun with joe than beyer, because its on joes hometurf.

Its gonna be fun watching joes eyes as he realise what just happend. DEFEAT.

[LeedsLad]

The reason Kessler is the best opponent Joe will ever meet, is because he is the one defeating him, in front on 60ooo+ guys who cant believe what they have just witnessed.

Kessler has beat all the southpaws convincingly. Its even more fun with joe than beyer, because its on joes hometurf.

Its gonna be fun watching joes eyes as he realise what just happend. DEFEAT.

The best reason you can give is something that A. hasnt happened and B. will never happen?

lol your saying Kessler will beat because look what he did to Beyer? There completely different fighters. I could say "look what Calzaghe did to the Orthodox fighter Lacy, Kessler doesnt have a chance".

Man, i cant wait to here the excuses when Calzaghe takes Kessler to school.

[satyriion]

The best reason you can give is something that A. hasnt happened and B. will never happen?

lol your saying Kessler will beat because look what he did to Beyer? There completely different fighters. I could say "look what Calzaghe did to the Orthodox fighter Lacy, Kessler doesnt have a chance".

Man, i cant wait to here the excuses when Calzaghe takes Kessler to school.

Not only Beyer, but because he hasen't lost more than a couple of rounds on the scorecards his whole career. Because he is a better boxer and puncher than "lady-punch-joe". Because he is stronger and younger.

Joe's chances are very slim even in Cardiff. He has had shitty opposition the last 5 fights. Just take a look on the Rings rankings of their respective opponents.

Joe is hype and builds his "aura" on Lacy and almost nothing but Lacy the later years.

That old slapperfart will be the big loser in this one.:fire

[sonny73]

Not only Beyer, but because he hasen't lost more than a couple of rounds on the scorecards his whole career. Because he is a better boxer and puncher than "lady-punch-joe". Because he is stronger and younger.

Joe's chances are very slim even in Cardiff. He has had shitty opposition the last 5 fights. Just take a look on the Rings rankings of their respective opponents.

Joe is hype and builds his "aura" on Lacy and almost nothing but Lacy the later years.

That old slapperfart will be the big loser in this one.:fire
You better let the bookmakers know because all the international bookies have Calzaghe as reasonable fave,I wonder how much money you are actually prepered to stake on a Kessler win?

[New Wind]

:patsch :rofl hilarious, benn would absolutely smash mundine into next year, mundine fanboys are fucking deluded.

do you know how hard benn hit? if featherfisted ottke stops mundine then benn knocks his head into the crowd.


Do you all see this...

I have just been called a mundine fan! :-)

That's some funny shit right there, I'm sure most would agree, haha.

Not a fan, but benn was too slow and talent lacking to ever get to Mundine. By Using Mundine as an example, I talk Kessler up, ken?

Yes, he hit very hard, but that amounts to nought, when the guy you try to hit is not there. Kessler and mundine (And JC) would all murder Benn. (As did McClellan, I'm sure you remember)

And yes Otke KO'ed Mundine, but at least Mundine had the guts to get in with Sven. Unlike certain Welsh horses...

Mundine fan, hahaha. good shit. Thanks, mate.

[LeedsLad]

Not a fan, but benn was too slow and talent lacking to ever get to Mundine. By Using Mundine as an example, I talk Kessler up, ken?

Yes, he hit very hard, but that amounts to nought, when the guy you try to hit is not there. Kessler and mundine (And JC) would all murder Benn. (As did McClellan, I'm sure you remember)


'As did McClellan' ?? Didnt Benn stop him late and end his career? Benn would stop Mundine inside 4 rounds, Kessler has a better chance but i would still favour Benn. You SERIOUSLY under-estimate Benn.

And Calzaghe ducking Ottke...:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Axe]

Just watched Eubank-Benn..

Mundine would run circles around that slow dude. Benn has no defence and would also heve his head served on a plate by Mundine.

Why even bring Kessler into a discussion about this?

You do realize that Benn is about 30 times as good as Siaca, whose pressure was enough to decision Mundine, and even make him hit the canvas.

He also hits about 50 times harder than Ottke.

Once Benn would connect on Mundine, they'd be sending for the stretchers.

[yesihavearm]

Do you all see this...

I have just been called a mundine fan! :-)

That's some funny shit right there, I'm sure most would agree, haha.

Not a fan, but benn was too slow and talent lacking to ever get to Mundine. By Using Mundine as an example, I talk Kessler up, ken?

Yes, he hit very hard, but that amounts to nought, when the guy you try to hit is not there. Kessler and mundine (And JC) would all murder Benn. (As did McClellan, I'm sure you remember)

And yes Otke KO'ed Mundine, but at least Mundine had the guts to get in with Sven. Unlike certain Welsh horses...

Mundine fan, hahaha. good shit. Thanks, mate.

Haha you really are clueless aint ya. How about actually having a proper opinion rather than having Mundine and Kessler spitroast you similtaneously, how about it ?

If you think Kessler and Mundine would beat Benn, then you clearly have no boxing knowledge what-so-ever. Mundine has beaten ABSOLUTELY NO ONE and lost to Sven 'i wont fight Calzaghe-Benn-Eubank-RJJ' Ottke. And who has Kessler beaten ???? OH NOES! his best win by about a million miles is against a timid Mundine who we've already established is average and has wins over no one.

I cant wait for this Kessler bandwagon to dissapear, just like the Jeff Lacy one. Bring on November, after which forum posts will be dominated with "Why is Calzaghe ducking Bute" "Froch ko2 Calzaghe"

[Fab2333]

Is Mikkel Kessler the best fighter who Joe's faced?

I'm from near St. Pete and I just wanna know.

yup, his 1st real title defense IMO.

[sonny73]

Do you all see this...

I have just been called a mundine fan! :-)

That's some funny shit right there, I'm sure most would agree, haha.

Not a fan, but benn was too slow and talent lacking to ever get to Mundine. By Using Mundine as an example, I talk Kessler up, ken?

Yes, he hit very hard, but that amounts to nought, when the guy you try to hit is not there. Kessler and mundine (And JC) would all murder Benn. (As did McClellan, I'm sure you remember)

And yes Otke KO'ed Mundine, but at least Mundine had the guts to get in with Sven. Unlike certain Welsh horses...

Mundine fan, hahaha. good shit. Thanks, mate.
Watch the Robin Reid vs Ottke bout and you will see what a B level fighter did against the German,Ried was not int he same class as a Benn or Calzaghe but he comfortably beat Ottke no matter what the judges and ref did.

[Scar]

that question will be answered after the fight.

Indeed. :good

[ThePlugInBabies]

Yes, he hit very hard, but that amounts to nought, when the guy you try to hit is not there. Kessler and mundine (And JC) would all murder Benn. (As did McClellan, I'm sure you remember)

TROLL OR IDIOT?!?!? I'M TAKING ALL BETS!!!!

seriously, if you're not trolling, i hope you've never actually seen benn-mcclellan.

:rofl

[BoppaZoo]

I see what your saying mate, and your right Kessler is right in the middle of his prime. Although i dont think Eubank was primed, he wasnt far out of it and he was still a world class fighter. I hope after the fight if Calzaghe wins people do appreciate it as a great victory, and not write Kessler of as over-hyped, which i think the haters will try and do.i wont. i see it for what it is. the best fight match up of the year, 2007.
how many fans have wanted this fight. Kessler in my eyes will never be over hyped and if fans over hype him if Joe wins, i say shame on them.

Because this will be the most interesting fight of 2007. who ever wins will be seen as a true Champ.

[Teddy Edelman]

exactly, Lacy has smashed a couple of good, solid fighters and most were picking him to win. He looked fine against Tskyko before his shoulder fucked. People have short memories.
Lacy was more hyped than Kessler is now. Look for Calzaghe to smash Kessler.

Lacy is from the U.S of A...


Calzaghe can't smash Kessler when he hits like a girl...

need some stones in the gloves:lol:

[PATSYS]

Is Mikkel Kessler the best fighter who Joe's faced?

I'm from near St. Pete and I just wanna know. We will find out. Kessler's reputation now is no better than that of Lacy just before Calzaghe took Jeff apart.

[deram]

Dean Francis, Glenn Catley and Jason Matthews have all said nobody has hit them near as hard as Joe did, and that was in the amateurs with bigger gloves and headgear

One guy who sparred with both Joe, a guy who had sparred with Nigel Benn, said Joe hit "much harder" (than Nigel), and also said Joe hit harder than heavyweights

These "rumours" always seem to come from "one guy who..."

Well, anyone with half a brain can see that Joe never hit realyl hard and it was never a main part of his plan. Secondly, Joe is fighting much smarter these days that he did early on when he had some embarrasingly even fights with lesser people like Reid and Sheika. Not saying Reid is bad, but Joe really ought not to have had trouble with him. Much less Shaeika of course.

[PeterNielsen70]

Eh? It doesn't take fucking Einstein to see that when you knock guys clean out all the time, with shots that sound louder than anybody elses, and throw wild bombs from the start, that you are setting out to hurt and that you hit damn hard!

Sometimes precision and timing in your punches can work better than power. With the amount of punches Joe delivers through a fight, it is also just common sense that to a great extent they can’t be power punches. According to Sakio Bika, who recently has trained with Kessler and fought Joe there are more depth in Kessler’s punches whereas Joe is in front regarding accumulation. But that statement should cause no surprise.

And by the way Einstein was a physician, and he wasn’t so much in for boxing, as far as I know. E=MC2. When you clap your hands it also sounds louder than when you bang your fists together. So don’t rely too much on the sound. :bbb

[AllyT]

No!

Eubank would still be it for me.

I have looked at a few of Kesslers fights and while I think he is technichally good and packs a fair punch he is simply too slow and predictable to have anything other than a punchers chance.

Calzaghe will smash him.

[marting]

Looking through the threads there doesn't seem to be a clear cut consensus. Kessler probably got the most nods with Eubank being the only other fighter worth consideration. He got a considerable amount of support but with a lot of question marks thrown in.

The Jeff Lacy fight seems to have been relegated to an exposure of an overhyped media product.

Reading all the info it seems like Kessler is the best in terms of being at his peak and has a respectable enough resume. Nothing great but better than the rest with the possible exception of Eubank.

[deram]

no for me it would be eubank , eubank was getting past his best, but i re watched the fight recently and theirs no doubt had the fight gone fifteen rounds, eubank may have even pulled the win out he was going seriously strongly near the end of that bout.

joes even said it was probabaly the hardest fight hes had

In a recent interview (it is on youtube) Joe said "Kessler is the best fighter I have ever met".

Even Joe is more clear headed than some of his fans.

[LeedsLad]

In a recent interview (it is on youtube) Joe said "Kessler is the best fighter I have ever met".

Even Joe is more clear headed than some of his fans.

And that has nothing to do with promoting the fight?

[ThePlugInBabies]

In a recent interview (it is on youtube) Joe said "Kessler is the best fighter I have ever met".

Even Joe is more clear headed than some of his fans.

actually calzaghe did say eubank was his toughest fight whilst being interviewed during his training camp for the lacy fight.

[LeedsLad]

Joe says it's by far the hardest fight he's had.

Tonnes of fighters say this sort of thing, its called promoting the fight. Im not saying Kessler isnt the toughest, but i think Eubank is mighty close.

[BoppaZoo]

Actually, very few people do rate Eubank because their judgements were clouded when watching him. When you watch somebody you sheerly hate with malice and cannot stand, it's clouding your judgement

That's why when Eubank's old fights are repeated all the time on Bravo or Channel Four or Five people are shocked at how fucking brilliant he was :)Yes Eubanks was good we all agree there.

But i have to say at Joe's age and with Kessler being in his Prime and the Holder of 2 major Belts.

Kessler will be Calzaghe greatest win. The Age part plays a huge part. and if Kessler wins it will be certain that it was Joe's best opponent.

Its a tough ask for a 35 old Joe. He is facing a Prime Kessler who is better than a Prime Lacy.
Look at it Joe was 25 when he faced a 32 year old Eubanks who was at the end of his career i mean Eubanks only fought twice more after losing to Calzaghe and they were both loses to Carl Thompson.

If Joe beats Kessler it will be his greatest win ever. why because i dont think Calzaghe fans give Kessler enough respect and they should be cause this will be a tough tough fight.

[Cabannaro]

He'll be the best until after the fight then it will be claimed he was overrated.
:good

Just like Jeff Lacy :verysad

[DanePugilist]

I like to think that there is a difference between a fighter and a boxer. Maybe its just my english that is broken, but here it is:

A fighter: A person that depends on instinct, when fighting; given from birth or through fighting many times, either in the streets or in the ring.

A boxer: A person that depends on his boxing ability; its not a natural ability to batter someone, but a learned skill.

If my assessment is right, then Kessler is not the best fighter, Calzaghe has met, but without a doubt in my mind, that he is by far the best boxer.

As I see it, JC is a fighter, Kessler is a boxer. JC fights on instinct, Kessler uses boxing smarts.

[ThePlugInBabies]

kessler would ko eubank at 168

nobody ko's eubank at 168.

[LeedsLad]

kessler would ko eubank at 168

How do you come to that conclusion? Eubank had an iron chin, nobody ever KO'd him. The only fight he didnt go the distance was when it was stopped because of his eye swelled up.

[LeedsLad]

Its a tough ask for a 35 old Joe. He is facing a Prime Kessler who is better than a Prime Lacy.
Look at it Joe was 25 when he faced a 32 year old Eubanks who was at the end of his career i mean Eubanks only fought twice more after losing to Calzaghe and they were both loses to Carl Thompson.

Did you see or even know the circumstances of the Thompson fights? He moved up two weight classes to fight a world class Cruiserweight. He had a massive size disadvantage, he fought 12 brutal rounds in the first fight and came damn close to winning. The second was stopped in the 10th because his eye swell shut, he still put up a hell of a fight.

[DanePugilist]

Calzaghe is a slapper. Lacy and Kessler are just stating the obvious. He could bruise up Lacy by accumulation - this will not happen vs Kessler.

Like always, no one should believe whatever a boxer says prior to a fight. However, danish prophets like myself, should be listened to; Kessler will TKO Calzaghe in late rounds.

[DanePugilist]

Please dont start saying that Calzaghe is throwing bombs now?. As far as I remember Lacy was bruised in fourth due to clash of heads. Lacy was a turned into a punching bag, because of immobility.

Nonetheless, if you fail to acknowledge that Calzaghe has turned into a slapper, because that he don't wanna loose the speed of the flurries, then you need to ask Joe.

Why would I commit suicide? I'd relish the moment I see you fry on these very pages...

[LeedsLad]

He didn't bruise up Lacy by accumulation - he had him cut over both eyes by the 4th round.

As for Kessler? Man, you're going to commit suicide, lets be honest.

I just had a look now, Lacy's nose was actually seaping with blood after the 1st round. Thats real accumulation there aint it:lol::lol:

[DanePugilist]

I just had a look now, Lacy's nose was actually seaping with blood after the 1st round. Thats real accumulation there aint it:lol::lol:Lolz - a nose bleed? Anyone can get those from one shot, that means shit.

[LeedsLad]

Please dont start saying that Calzaghe is throwing bombs now?. As far as I remember Lacy was bruised in fourth due to clash of heads. Lacy was a turned into a punching bag, because of immobility.

Nonetheless, if you fail to acknowledge that Calzaghe has turned into a slapper, because that he don't wanna loose the speed of the flurries, then you need to ask Joe.

Why would I commit suicide? I'd relish the moment I see you fry on these very pages...

He was cut above both his eyes in the 4th round. If you watched the clash of heads again you would see the headbutt hit Lacy alot lower than his eyes, more around the mouth actually.

[Ted Stickles]

Is Mikkel Kessler the best fighter who Joe's faced?

I'm from near St. Pete and I just wanna know.

I'd say yes!

[LeedsLad]

isnt that also the area, that joe´s dick is touching you:yep
Go on a forum where they speak Danish because you barely make sense, maybe then you and your viking buddies can play pretend for a few months that your boy actually has a chance of winning.

[ThePlugInBabies]

go bend it like beckham miss leeds:yep

does your carer know that you are on the computer?

[LeedsLad]

go bend it like beckham miss leeds:yep

:lol::lol: A classic Danish comeback:good

[Smazz20]

Anybody else think it would be funny to see this fight end in a draw?

[MancMexican]

Do any Danish fans think JC will win? and do any British fans think Kessler will win?

[New Wind]

TROLL OR IDIOT?!?!? I'M TAKING ALL BETS!!!!

seriously, if you're not trolling, i hope you've never actually seen benn-mcclellan.

:rofl

I've seen it.

Have you?

Do you remember who was down twice? And out of the ring in rd 1, btw.. haha...
McClellan was way ahead when he had the brain damage..
And it's not even certain that he got it from Benn.
Watch the fight again and tell me in which round Benn hits McClellan with anything that would be enough to cause massive brain damage to anyone who is healthy to begin with.

McClellan was destroying Benn..that's all there is to it.

Benn was too slow and even Eubanks took care of him.
Neither Eubanks nor McClellan had anywhere near the speed that Mundine has... And Mundine was beating Ottke, at he time when Ottke hit him with a lucky one to the temple.
Also.. That was Mundine's 11th pro fight!!

Who did JC fight in his 11th fight? Robert Curry (source:boxrec)
Not quite the IBF champ, was he now?

Not taking anything from JC, but let's gain some respect for even getting in with Ottke. JC never did. Mundine did and was doing a good job, check it on youtube, guys..

Also on youtube: Benn-McClellan.. et al:-)

[New Wind]

ant btw...

If JC beats Kessler I will not stop posting about Kessler, but I will hail JC as the greatest SMW around.
That is a promise..

[Odo]

By far.


I think so,too!

Kessler vs Calzaghe is a megafight-a career defining fight for both the Dane and the Brit.

[ThePlugInBabies]

I've seen it.

Have you?

Do you remember who was down twice? And out of the ring in rd 1, btw.. haha...
McClellan was way ahead when he had the brain damage..
And it's not even certain that he got it from Benn.
Watch the fight again and tell me in which round Benn hits McClellan with anything that would be enough to cause massive brain damage to anyone who is healthy to begin with.

McClellan was destroying Benn..that's all there is to it.

Benn was too slow and even Eubanks took care of him.
Neither Eubanks nor McClellan had anywhere near the speed that Mundine has... And Mundine was beating Ottke, at he time when Ottke hit him with a lucky one to the temple.
Also.. That was Mundine's 11th pro fight!!

Who did JC fight in his 11th fight? Robert Curry (source:boxrec)
Not quite the IBF champ, was he now?

Not taking anything from JC, but let's gain some respect for even getting in with Ottke. JC never did. Mundine did and was doing a good job, check it on youtube, guys..

Also on youtube: Benn-McClellan.. et al:-)

go watch the second round again when benn comes out like a fucking bull and smashs the g man with power punch after power punch to the head. :deal benn was a brutal puncher and handed out deadly punishment that night.

mundine is a no one, he will never amount to anything. calzaghe, benn, watson and eubank would all have made easy work of him you blinded nuthugger. not to mention the current crop like froch, bute, lacy etc.

[New Wind]

Well, as opposed to you, I'll refrain from the name calling, but I certainly would love to take Mundine over Froch in an avatar bet if that fight ever happens:-)

As for bute..
Hmm, Gotta go with mundine again, beating Bute the same way that Kessler beat Andrade.

However, I could be wrong about Bute, but he strikes me a bit too one-dimensionel for Mundine.

Lucien would still beat Froch tho.
And Prolly JC, too, hehe
:piss

[paulfv]

No. Eubank was a better fighter, p4p, than Kessler, but not when Joe faced him.

[New Wind]

So, if JC fought Ali today, you would still rate Ali above Kessler, because he was a better fighter p4p than Kessler, just "not when Joe faced him"

Sorry, but that's not a relevant argument, saying that Chris "used to be better"

[paulfv]

So, if JC fought Ali today, you would still rate Ali above Kessler, because he was a better fighter p4p than Kessler, just "not when Joe faced him"

Sorry, but that's not a relevant argument, saying that Chris "used to be better"

The thread is "Is Kessler the best fighter Joe has faced?"

I answered the question - he's not. Sorry I read it wrong.

[DanePugilist]

Do any Danish fans think JC will win? and do any British fans think Kessler will win?I think that there are people in both camps that toss and turn about the outcome - however, I think that both fancamps think "their" boxer will win - and each camp has mostly the nationality of the boxers with some aussies thrown into the mix.

I have seen british posters claiming that Kessler will win, but does this more because they dislike Calzaghe. They are just not very vocal lately.