Ding AHHILATES Maccarinelli

[Zakman]

Glass Jaw + Heavy Punch = Early KO. :D

Look for Enzo to be out cold within 3 rounds! :nod

[yesihavearm]

Forgot to take your medication ?

[Bigcat]

I think many would be surprised . I love Wilson, but he would be up against it.

[PrideOfWales]

Can't see Enzo staying on his feet by the end of the introductions myself. Ding KO's Fagarinelli just by looking at him! Go Ding!

[dwilson]

But who are you talkig about Ding or Enzo?

Enzo has the punch and the boxing skills and he proved tonight he has a decent jaw.

I rate Ding but Enzo is very good. He will rule the division when Haye leaves.

[Zakman]

Can't see Enzo staying on his feet by the end of the introductions myself. Ding KO's Fagarinelli just by looking at him! Go Ding!

Lemme tell ya, this could be one of those situations like when Jimmy Thunder starched Crawford Grimsley. One......and DONE. :yep

[DamonD]

You are so one-note.

[DamonD]

This sound familiar? From a thread announcing the odds on Braithwaite vs Enzo.

They must be making the odds based on that glass-chin of Maccarinelli!

Look for Enzo to hit the canvas early....and often!

[SevenSamurai]

Can't see Enzo staying on his feet by the end of the introductions myself. Ding KO's Fagarinelli just by looking at him! Go Ding!

Erm, I thought that you would be supporting your boy?:huh

The pride of Wales.:huh

[roly]

This sound familiar? From a thread announcing the odds on Braithwaite vs Enzo.

lol good find :good

[Lampshade]

just curious, does your analysis on any fight ever go deeper than "Glass Jaw + Heavy Punch = Early KO"?

[Danny Ocean]

zakmans knowledge depends on someone having a glass chin

[Snorkel]

To be honest, I see it much like tonights fight. The only difference being Ding's smaller than Braithwaite, has less reach, isn't as skilled and has poor stamina.

(I don't have anything against the man, by the way, it's just threads like this designed to hate on some one, annoy me.)

[Zakman]

am i the only person who read this as " Ding A-HALATES Maccarinelli"

long live a-halation

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

I was out late last night, I'm a little tired!:lol:

Let's just say it's Zak-Speak for "UTTERLY DESTROYS!!":yep

[Stewbear]

lol Zakman is a fucking twat:lol:

[Zakman]

if ding fights enzo, we should get him to use "take on me" as his ringwalk music as an omen for the a-halation he unleashes.

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Here's a prediction: the ring-walks last longer than Maccarinelli remains vertical! :nod

[Axe]

This sound familiar? From a thread announcing the odds on Braithwaite vs Enzo.

Zakman and Amsterdam have got to man up. A bad prediction and now Zakman's jumping off the Braithwaite bandwagon and onto the Ding one. It's getting pathetic. :-(

Difference between Braithwaite and Ding is that Braithwaite is a former world champion. Macca deserves credit here, he has clearly hit his prime now and has very sharp, accurate punches. His jab is also tremendous and he uses his size well.

Give Maccarinellis his credit, he's a tremendously improved fighter.

[Zakman]

Take on me lasts what, 4 minutes? so basically, you're predicting ding knocks enzo down inside of a single round?

First big shot he lands.....count on it. :nod:yep

[Axe]

Furthermore Enzo's chin is fine, Wayne landed several (though clearly not too many) bombs throughout the fight and Enzo took them fine. His chin is anything but glass.

[Zakman]

Furthermore Enzo's chin is fine, Wayne landed several (though clearly not too many) bombs throughout the fight and Enzo took them fine. His chin is anything but glass.

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

We'll see about that. :nod

[Jack]

This sound familiar? From a thread announcing the odds on Braithwaite vs Enzo.
Zakman has knowledge, but he ruins his credibility with nonsense like this.

He calls 95% of boxers out for having a glass chin if they get hurt or nkocked down, then expects his dick to be sucked when they get knocked out. Picking a KO after someone gets exposed isn't a talent. I don't mean to brag, but liek I said before, I called Khan chin out waaaay before he was a pro on this very site. as soon as he gets rocked, Zakman pipes in, then when he gets knocked down it's all "GUYS, I SAID THAT WOULD HAPPEN!!! HE WILL GET EXPOSED BY A D-CLASS PUNCHER SOON". Asking for praise on calling a weak chin, when Stevie wonder can see it, is ridiculous. Same with Amderstam. Whose chin are they calling weak, who has yet to be exposed? No-ones.

I genuinely think he and Amsterdam are good posters and seem nice guys, but all this about chins is pathetic.

If we were in the 1960's, I guarentee he would be saying "Clay will be knocked out as soon as he fights a big puncher. He wa knocked down by C-level journeyman, Henry Cooper. When he fights liston, it'll be over in 1!!!!". Even after going on to prove one of the greatest chins of all-time, he'd be piping in with "If he was fighting now, Tyson would KO him in one. He was knocked down by C-level journeyman Henry Cooper!".

Chins get better, which is something he cannot fathom. He also doesn't understand that any fighter can be KOed from a perfect punch, and it must be down to a glass jaw.

I just think those type of posts are beneath a person like Zakman.

[Zakman]

Zakman has knowledge, but he ruins his credibility with nonsense like this.

He calls 95% of boxers out for having a glass chin if they get hurt or nkocked down, then expects his dick to be sucked when they get knocked out. Picking a KO after someone gets exposed isn't a talent. I don't mean to brag, but liek I said before, I called Khan chin out waaaay before he was a pro on this very site. as soon as he gets rocked, Zakman pipes in, then when he gets knocked down it's all "GUYS, I SAID THAT WOULD HAPPEN!!! HE WILL GET EXPOSED BY A D-CLASS PUNCHER SOON". Asking for praise on calling a weak chin, when Stevie wonder can see it, is ridiculous. Same with Amderstam. Whose chin are they calling weak, who has yet to be exposed? No-ones.

Who called Fraudley's glass jaw over two years before it was exposed???:huh

[dwilson]

Nope, it doesn´t. aAnd he claims he´s watching boxing for 30 years.

BHOP and Winky are wanking each other off in your avatar!!!!!!!!!!

Plus you are correct with your statement.

[dwilson]

Who called Fraudley's glass jaw over two years before it was exposed???:huh

No could have taken that punch. The trick is avoiding getting caught.

Jack is right.

[Snorkel]

Who called Fraudley's glass jaw over two years before it was exposed???:huh

Oh come one, nobody ever claimed Audley had a good chin. In fact, I'll think you'll find he was widely derided over here for taking easy fights and huge questions were raised as to his ability to take a punch and compete at the elite level. Picking Audley and Khan (KD'd in the ams) are hardly big gambles and don't really show much insight.

[Max Molyneux]

I thought you agreed with me about Enzo's chin Zak.

He was very young when he was KO'ed by Swaby and Inexperianced. Getting Ko'ed Isn't always because of a china chin.

Ding when he posts here sounds too power reliant to me.

[dwilson]

Well, as long as they don´t tonite it´s okay for me.

That would not be the legacy they are hoping the fight leaves them with.

It's only a cheeky wank theyre giving ezch other but its obvious to see.

[Axe]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

We'll see about that. :nod

So IF a huge puncher like Haye or Ding takes out Enzo you think you'll be proven right? :patsch

You were already proven wrong bub. :deal

Enzo took some bombs from Wayne and he remained standing, hence his jaw is at the very worst average for a Cruiserweight.

[Zakman]

Chins get better, which is something he cannot fathom. He also doesn't understand that any fighter can be KOed from a perfect punch, and it must be down to a glass jaw..
Chins don't get better with age, and they can't improve with training. If you have a shaky chin, you have a shaky chin, period. Now, fighters CAN improve their defense in a variety of ways - through improvement in punch blocking, head movement, footwork, etc - but if a china-chinned fighter gets hit right, he's gonna fall.

Furthermore, this mythology about the "perfect punch" - which is typically expressed by phrases like "that punch woulda KOd ANYBODY" - is one of the biggest fallacies embraced by boxing fans. If a fighters gets KOd, particularly if he is knocked unconscious, 9 times out of ten it has FAR more to do with that particular fighter's lack of punch resistance, than it does with the supposedly universal concussive power of a certain punch.

Next time you see some shaky-chinned fighter starched, ask yourself "would George Chuvalo have been starched by that punch?" Would Oliver McCall?? I rest my case.:hey

[Zakman]

No could have taken that punch. The trick is avoiding getting caught.

Classic example of the fallacy of "that punch woulda KOd anyone" :nod Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that Fraudley DOESN'T have a shaky chin???:patsch

[Amsterdam]

Jack -

This is all relative to forum fun, nobody is really looking for praise more than some entertainment by this stuff, because it creates awkward social reactions, some of it is terribly funny stuff!:lol:

Besides, if you paid attention to chin arguments, many people don't call these "easy picks" for bad chins as you say, 90% tend to argue back until the joker is put out, Fraudley and Khan are definitley not the only ones and we tend to pick these guys out before there is a stitch of evidence...

[Zakman]

Jack -

This is all relative to forum fun, nobody is really looking for praise more than some entertainment by this stuff, because it creates awkward social reactions, some of it is terribly funny stuff!:lol:

Besides, if you paid attention to chin arguments, many people don't call these "easy picks" for bad chins as you say, 90% tend to argue back until the joker is put out, Fraudley and Khan are definitley not the only ones and we tend to pick these guys out before there is a stitch of evidence...

Exactly. I wonder how many of these guys questioning chin predictions were actually out front regarding guys like Fraudley, Litzau or Khan, for example??

The bottom line is that if you see signs that a guy's chin is shaky, you gotta call it.

BTW, my next chin to be exposed, which I have also been calling for some time, is Jermain Taylor.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If you don't take risks in making predictions, you often miss opportunties to be right. Of course, you also run the risk of being wrong - but I don't mind taking the heat, believe me!:yep

[dwilson]

Classic example of the fallacy of "that punch woulda KOd anyone" :nod Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that Fraudley DOESN'T have a shaky chin???:patsch

You are stupid.

Where did i say Fraudly does not have a poor chin?

I said that that punch would take anyone down. It was hard puncher by a good puncher and caught Fraudly clean. A hard good clean shot would take anyone down.

Fraudly's chin is not good but its his own style and mentality that makes him an easy target to get ko'd. Some boxers can defend themselves and others cant. Khan has no defence what so ever so is a ko waiting to happen.

Some boxers are ponderous and rely on a big punch Enzo tonight proved that he is not one of these. Enzo also proved he can defend himself. He took a few good punches and shook them off so also has a decent chin. His defense was on the whole impressive, although he did leave his chin high a couple of times but Wayne was not tall enough to catch it and neither would Ding be if that match up ever got made.

[Snorkel]

BTW, my next chin to be exposed, which I have also been calling for some time, is Jermain Taylor.


I've no doubt you're correct on that one. Hopkins and Wright both had him wobbled. I'm not convinced Pavlik's the man to do it even if he has sufficient power as Taylor's the better boxer. If Pavlik doesn't do it, there's a whole host of them up at SMW who can do the job for sure.:yep

I think most people's problem with the chin thing is the relentlessness in telling everybody. It seems like you hate these guys purely because of their chin and want to make their fans dislike them too. I quite like Khan, for example, but I'm under no illusion as to his limitations. Despite that, I still think he can win titles even if he loses along the way. It seems a little harsh to single out fighters for not having a chin when they can't help it. It's like picking on midgets.

Besides, Lewis had no chin and he was the best fighter of his generation, no? :D

[Zakman]

Some boxers are ponderous and rely on a big punch Enzo tonight proved that he is not one of these. Enzo also proved he can defend himself. He took a few good punches and shook them off so also has a decent chin. His defense was on the whole impressive, although he did leave his chin high a couple of times but Wayne was not tall enough to catch it and neither would Ding be if that match up ever got made.

Maybe he did look good, but how much of that had to do with how BAD Braithwaite was?? How do YOU know that Wayne's punches packed the steam they used to?? As fighter's age, generally speaking, their ability to knock out opponents tends to decrease. Look at Foreman, towards the end he was going the distance with guys he would've destroyed at his best. A lot of power has to do with timing, and particularlyl, speed.

My point is this, in assessing these situations you have to evaluate several factors as once, including not just the performance of the winning fighter, but also the condition of the LOSING fighter.

With respect to Maccinarelli my thesis is straightforward - the fact that he lasted with Braithwaite had more to do with how far Braithwaite had declined in overall ability than in any supposed improvement in Enzo's punch resistance, and I am simply proposing that we put that theory to the test by putting him in with Ding.:hey

[Words]

Sorry I know everyone here loves Ding, but I dont see him getting past Mac's masssive long armed jabs to land his bombs. If he can, then its goodbye Mac, but thats a big if.

Mac needs to face someone his own size to be tested. Fighting guys with real height and reach disadvantages is no good. why do you think they kept him away from David Haye? Haye is fast and big enough to get to Mac and fuck his shit up.

[geppy]

Exactly. I wonder how many of these guys questioning chin predictions were actually out front regarding guys like Fraudley, Litzau or Khan, for example??

The bottom line is that if you see signs that a guy's chin is shaky, you gotta call it.

BTW, my next chin to be exposed, which I have also been calling for some time, is Jermain Taylor.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If you don't take risks in making predictions, you often miss opportunties to be right. Of course, you also run the risk of being wrong - but I don't mind taking the heat, believe me!:yep

Get over yourself!!

Everyone was saying Audley was shit, long before he got KO'd. Anyone could see Audley fought like he was afraid to get hit. Audley was already exposed with several losses.

Litzau was almost Ko'd on FNF's by Johnny Nolasko long before he fougth on HBO. It was no secret to anyone that watched the fight, they knew Litzau was wreckless with his defense and can be hurt.

[Zakman]

I think most people's problem with the chin thing is the relentlessness in telling everybody. It seems like you hate these guys purely because of their chin and want to make their fans dislike them too. I quite like Khan, for example, but I'm under no illusion as to his limitations. Despite that, I still think he can win titles even if he loses along the way. It seems a little harsh to single out fighters for not having a chin when they can't help it. It's like picking on midgets.

Besides, Lewis had no chin and he was the best fighter of his generation, no? :D

Like Amsterdam said, it's all intended in good fun, truthfully. I don't "hate" ANY boxers really except for Ruiz - for this disgrace he's brought on this sport in so many ways. The thing I didn't like about Fraudley - and to a lesser degree Khan, because he doesn't do so much of this himself - is the outrageous HYPE these guys got before they did ANYTHING. And in Fraudley's case it was proven to be completely accurate the hype was unjustified. I suspect it will in both Khan and Taylor's case too - but of course I could be wrong.

Part of the fun in all this is making bold predictions and seeing IF they come through. I assure you, however, that these predictions are made on the basis of analysis and observation, not "hate."

And you're right about Lewis. People often misunderstand me there, too - I've great respect for Lewis PRECISELY because he was able to develop strategies to overcome his questionable chin and achieve greatness. In that sense, he IS one of the greatest of all time.:hey

[geppy]

How do YOU know that Wayne's punches packed the steam they used to?? As fighter's age, generally speaking, their ability to knock out opponents tends to decrease. Look at Foreman, towards the end he was going the distance with guys he would've destroyed at his best. A lot of power has to do with timing, and particularlyl, speed.


With respect to Maccinarelli my thesis is straightforward - the fact that he lasted with Braithwaite had more to do with how far Braithwaite had declined in overall ability than in any supposed improvement in Enzo's punch resistance, and I am simply proposing that we put that theory to the test by putting him in with Ding.:hey

LMAO, Braithwaite is 31 years old and has 25 fight.

[dwilson]

Maybe he did look good, but how much of that had to do with how BAD Braithwaite was?? How do YOU know that Wayne's punches packed the steam they used to?? As fighter's age, generally speaking, their ability to knock out opponents tends to decrease. Look at Foreman, towards the end he was going the distance with guys he would've destroyed at his best. A lot of power has to do with timing, and particularlyl, speed.

My point is this, in assessing these situations you have to evaluate several factors as once, including not just the performance of the winning fighter, but also the condition of the LOSING fighter.

With respect to Maccinarelli my thesis is straightforward - the fact that he lasted with Braithwaite had more to do with how far Braithwaite had declined in overall ability than in any supposed improvement in Enzo's punch resistance, and I am simply proposing that we put that theory to the test by putting him in with Ding.:hey

I respect that Wayne is on the slide and had been out of the ring for along time but Enzo was impressive in all areas tonight. Wayne was never likely to land that lucky punch. Wayne now is prob on par with what Ding is at this moment in time. Good + a punch but you got to rely on having the skills to land it or the opposition having the stupidity to let you. Enzo's size would come into play in a match up with Ding for sure and however much I like Ding and hope him the best I can not see him winning Enzo. Obviously there is always that freak of a lucky punch that would take anyone down but if that did not happen Enzo would walk in the title holder and walk out the title holder.


I gotta take a nap before the bhop/winky fight starrs so i'll leave you to your infatuation with Ding. He must hate all the ass kissing on here.

[Zakman]

Everyone was saying Audley was shit, long before he got KO'd. Anyone could see Audley fought like he was afraid to get hit. Audley was already exposed with several losses.

If that's the case, then how come I was the only poster, I believe, who called Sprott to starch Fraudley??:huh Maybe "you out sucka" did too, but I can't recall for sure. NO ONE was picking Sprott to take out that joke - in fact, there were STILL people who were defending Fraudley's chin. There are even one or two who CONTINUE to do so, despite the fact that his glass jaw was exposed for ALL to see.:patsch

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[Jack]

Chins don't get better with age, and they can't improve with training. If you have a shaky chin, you have a shaky chin, period. Now, fighters CAN improve their defense in a variety of ways - through improvement in punch blocking, head movement, footwork, etc - but if a china-chinned fighter gets hit right, he's gonna fall.But getting hit is getting hit. Having better movement and all the rest of the things you listed is spot on, however, is a fighter is getting hit clean, all those things don't matter. The chances of a sweet punch landing are less, sure, but if those punches do land the result will similar.

And I honestly think chins do get better. Look at people who have good chins.

Joe Frazier. Took a LOT of clean shots in his career against hard hitters, but at the start of his career was hurt severely by Bonavena.

Muhammad Ali was knocked down against Cooper, yet later on in his career took more powerful punches from Shavers, Foreman and Frazier. All harder hitters than Cooper by a long way. Compare Shavers punch in the 3rd or 4th round to the Cooper shot, and tell me which was better. Ali went down off the weaker punch.

Roberto Duran was floored by DeJesus, and later in his career took harder cleaner punches form Barkley, who was much larger and obviously hit harder.


Let me ask you a simple question. If a fighter goes into the gym for the very first time and gets hit clean on the chin. 10 years later and a champion, he goes back into the gym and takes the exact same punch. Is the result the same? Fighters get conditioned to taking punches. There's obviously a limit you reach before age becomes a hindrance for chins, but they steadily rise through a boxers career, and then drop.
Furthermore, this mythology about the "perfect punch" - which is typically expressed by phrases like "that punch woulda KOd ANYBODY" - is one of the biggest fallacies embraced by boxing fans. If a fighters gets KOd, particularly if he is knocked unconscious, 9 times out of ten it has FAR more to do with that particular fighter's lack of punch resistance, than it does with the supposedly universal concussive power of a certain punch.Not nessecarily. If a boxer gets hit totally blind, he will suffer more than if he had time to anticipate the shot. The excuse "That punch would have knocked anybody out", is applicable if he saw the shot. If he did not, there is a good chance even that boxer would have reacted better.
Next time you see some shaky-chinned fighter starched, ask yourself "would George Chuvalo have been starched by that punch?" Would Oliver McCall?? I rest my case.:heyNot having a chin like McCall or Chuvalo doesn't mean they are shakey-chinned though :lol:

[achillesthegreat]

Zak, who just appear to hate British fighters...

Lewis, Harrison, Khan and now Enzo.

[Zakman]

Zak, who just appear to hate British fighters...

Lewis, Harrison, Khan and now Enzo.

But I've long supported Calzaghe and Hatton.....doesn't that count for anything??:cry:

I was one of the few American posters, I think, to pick both Hatton and Calzaghe in their fights against Tszyu and Lacy. :D

Trust me, it's not whether their British, it's whether they can take a punch. I've been just as hard on Rahman and Litzau and plenty of other china-chinned American fighters.:yep

[Boro chris]

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

We'll see about that. :nod

NO. We just have. Maccarineli got hit with several hard shots and shook them off.
I'm not saying he wont get ko'ed later in his career but he's far and away removed from Amir Khan(who REALLY has a problem).

These china chin posts are becoming really tedious. Find a new tune.

[teetop]

Zakman has knowledge, but he ruins his credibility with nonsense like this.

He calls 95% of boxers out for having a glass chin if they get hurt or nkocked down, then expects his dick to be sucked when they get knocked out. Picking a KO after someone gets exposed isn't a talent. I don't mean to brag, but liek I said before, I called Khan chin out waaaay before he was a pro on this very site. as soon as he gets rocked, Zakman pipes in, then when he gets knocked down it's all "GUYS, I SAID THAT WOULD HAPPEN!!! HE WILL GET EXPOSED BY A D-CLASS PUNCHER SOON". Asking for praise on calling a weak chin, when Stevie wonder can see it, is ridiculous. Same with Amderstam. Whose chin are they calling weak, who has yet to be exposed? No-ones.

I genuinely think he and Amsterdam are good posters and seem nice guys, but all this about chins is pathetic.

If we were in the 1960's, I guarentee he would be saying "Clay will be knocked out as soon as he fights a big puncher. He wa knocked down by C-level journeyman, Henry Cooper. When he fights liston, it'll be over in 1!!!!". Even after going on to prove one of the greatest chins of all-time, he'd be piping in with "If he was fighting now, Tyson would KO him in one. He was knocked down by C-level journeyman Henry Cooper!".

Chins get better, which is something he cannot fathom. He also doesn't understand that any fighter can be KOed from a perfect punch, and it must be down to a glass jaw.

I just think those type of posts are beneath a person like Zakman.

I don't. The guy is an idiot. He knows nothing about the sport and should really just stick to the AOL chatrooms.

[achillesthegreat]

But I've long supported Calzaghe and Hatton.....doesn't that count for anything??:cry:

I was one of the few American posters, I think, to pick both Hatton and Calzaghe in their fights against Tszyu and Lacy. :D

Trust me, it's not whether their British, it's whether they can take a punch. I've been just as hard on Rahman and Litzau and plenty of other china-chinned American fighters.:yep
I'm consulting the British forum.

So it appears you are a hater of weak chins? Joe and Ricky have solid chins!

[Leeroy]

Dingaling is a fat slob who will be schooled.

[Zakman]

I don't. The guy is an idiot. He knows nothing about the sport and should really just stick to the AOL chatrooms.

Screw off newb. Why don't you find some glass-jaw nuthugging website to post on.:yep

[teetop]

Maybe he did look good, but how much of that had to do with how BAD Braithwaite was?? How do YOU know that Wayne's punches packed the steam they used to?? As fighter's age, generally speaking, their ability to knock out opponents tends to decrease. Look at Foreman, towards the end he was going the distance with guys he would've destroyed at his best. A lot of power has to do with timing, and particularlyl, speed.

My point is this, in assessing these situations you have to evaluate several factors as once, including not just the performance of the winning fighter, but also the condition of the LOSING fighter.

With respect to Maccinarelli my thesis is straightforward - the fact that he lasted with Braithwaite had more to do with how far Braithwaite had declined in overall ability than in any supposed improvement in Enzo's punch resistance, and I am simply proposing that we put that theory to the test by putting him in with Ding.:hey

I'll bet you didn't even watch the fight, so how pratel can you say wayne was shot? B/c he lost to macca? Your obviously biased pal!

[geppy]

Exactly. I wonder how many of these guys questioning chin predictions were actually out front regarding guys like Fraudley, Litzau or Khan, for example??

The bottom line is that if you see signs that a guy's chin is shaky, you gotta call it.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained. If you don't take risks in making predictions, you often miss opportunties to be right. Of course, you also run the risk of being wrong - but I don't mind taking the heat, believe me!:yep

"GO BRAITHAWAITE!! If he has anything left, I expect him to take out Maccarinelli early!" Zakman

You were wrong today. When you pick a fighter to get knocked out every fight , then when it finally happens you think your special?

The trick to making a bold prediction :"I expect him to take out Maccarinelli early". But also covering his ass in case it doesnt happen : "If he has anything left." "If" is the key!! Then if the fight doesnt go as he predicted , he says I told you the fighter was shot. All 31 years old and 25 fights, Braithwaite is shot right!

[teetop]

Screw off newb. Why don't you find some glass-jaw nuthugging website to post on.:yep

Fuck you. You narrow minded ol' fool. You use the word glass jaw too
much. Maybe you have a glass jaw.:p
And your a lying sack off turd shit when you say you support calzaghe
and hatton. I've seen many posts where you dog those 2. Look you ethnic mook. Even ding knows he'll lose to macca.

[Axe]

Maybe he did look good, but how much of that had to do with how BAD Braithwaite was?? How do YOU know that Wayne's punches packed the steam they used to?? As fighter's age, generally speaking, their ability to knock out opponents tends to decrease. Look at Foreman, towards the end he was going the distance with guys he would've destroyed at his best. A lot of power has to do with timing, and particularlyl, speed.

My point is this, in assessing these situations you have to evaluate several factors as once, including not just the performance of the winning fighter, but also the condition of the LOSING fighter.

With respect to Maccinarelli my thesis is straightforward - the fact that he lasted with Braithwaite had more to do with how far Braithwaite had declined in overall ability than in any supposed improvement in Enzo's punch resistance, and I am simply proposing that we put that theory to the test by putting him in with Ding.:hey

You really are an idiot aren't you?

Wayne didn't have power anymore?

Power is the very last thing that will leave a fighter! :patsch

Sure, when he was champ Wayne may have had better timing and possibly landed more on Macca, but those big shots that got through tonight did have the same kind of mustard as a "prime" Braithwaite's punches would've. Macca took them well. And as was mentioned, Wayne is only 31 years old. Nobody's saying he has a jaw of iron, but it certainly isn't glass.

[Zakman]

You really are an idiot aren't you?

Wayne didn't have power anymore?

Power is the very last thing that will leave a fighter! :patsch

Sure, when he was champ Wayne may have had better timing and possibly landed more on Macca, but those big shots that got through tonight did have the same kind of mustard as a "prime" Braithwaite's punches would've. Macca took them well. And as was mentioned, Wayne is only 31 years old. Nobody's saying he has a jaw of iron, but it certainly isn't glass.

That's the old adage. After 30 years of following boxing, I've heard more times than I can count. But it isn't applicable in EVERY case. Some fighters loose their pop at younger ages, and some fighters burn out young too. Are you honestly gonna tell me that the force of Braithwaite's was the same as it's always been?? Sure doesn't seem so. If it was, he would have been able to take advantage of Enzo's fragile whiskers.

At this point we can't know for certain, however, who is correct. Only time will show who is right. If Maccinarelli stands up over the long haul, then maybe you and his fellow supporters will be proven right.

However, I think not. And Ding would be a good test for Enzo's questionable beard - one I bet he would not pass. :nod

[Ethan Trims]

Zak, who just appear to hate British fighters...

Lewis, Harrison, Khan and now Enzo.

Or hates the gay british boxing media who over promotes/hypes their fighters.

Lewis and Calzaghe(if calzaghe continues to step up and fight big names and good challengers) are the only ones who desearve it.

[Sai]

Ding is exciting to watch, but hes just not that good. He gets a lot of hype due to the fact that he posts here, and whilst he is a great fighter to watch and seems like a genuinely nice guy Huck,Haye et al beat him very easily,

[Zakman]

I'm consulting the British forum.

So it appears you are a hater of weak chins? Joe and Ricky have solid chins!

You got me figured right. To me, the MOST important quality for a fighter to have is the ability to take a punch, and to give one. Without that - unless you have SUBSTANTIAL ability offsetting it - generally speaking you won't go very far in this game. It's one reason why I am a big fan of Wilson - he is exactly what I wish all fighters could be.:yep

Believe me, there's some British fighters I like quite a bit. Danny Williams for one - he didn't have an iron chin to be sure, but it wasn't glass either. And he compensated with great heart. See that's the key, if you're chin isn't the greatest, you better have SOMETHING to offset it. It remains to b e seen, frankly, if Maccinarelli does. I tend to doubt it, but I could be wrong.

[Amsterdam]

Screw off newb. Why don't you find some glass-jaw nuthugging website to post on.:yep

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Nemesis]

Lemme tell ya, this could be one of those situations like when Jimmy Thunder starched Crawford Grimsley. One......and DONE. :yep
you define "the gay" :good

[Axe]

That's the old adage. After 30 years of following boxing, I've heard more times than I can count. But it isn't applicable in EVERY case. Some fighters loose their pop at younger ages, and some fighters burn out young too. Are you honestly gonna tell me that the force of Braithwaite's was the same as it's always been?? Sure doesn't seem so. If it was, he would have been able to take advantage of Enzo's fragile whiskers.

At this point we can't know for certain, however, who is correct. Only time will show who is right. If Maccinarelli stands up over the long haul, then maybe you and his fellow supporters will be proven right.

However, I think not. And Ding would be a good test for Enzo's questionable beard - one I bet he would not pass. :nod

Actually, you're logic is off; if Enzo had fragile whiskers, those shots would've taken him out. Braithwaite, at 31, had the same power he had in his prime. If anything, it was greater in his fight with Macca, as he was a good 8 lbs heavier than in his prime. :deal

It was a twelve round fight, Enzo dominated but if you watched it you'd have seen him take punishment from Braithwaite on several occasions. And even if a guy like Ding, Wlodarczyk, or Haye were to land a bomb and KO Enzo, that would hardly prove he had a glass jaw. It would just show he doesn't have an iron chin. If a featherfisted fighter KOed him, you'd have a respectable case.

[Zakman]

Actually, you're logic is off; if Enzo had fragile whiskers, those shots would've taken him out. Braithwaite, at 31, had the same power he had in his prime. If anything, it was greater in his fight with Macca, as he was a good 8 lbs heavier than in his prime. :deal

Your thesis assumes that extra weight automatically equals more power - that's pure speculation. Of course, I'm admittedly speculating also, but I base this on the fact that some tomato can with a near-.500 record can take this guy out, it would seem to follow that a prime Braithwaite would.

Ultimately, like I said, the jury's still out on who's right on the strength of Maccarinelli's beard. Which is exactly why I want him to face Ding.:D

[achillesthegreat]

You got me figured right. To me, the MOST important quality for a fighter to have is the ability to take a punch, and to give one. Without that - unless you have SUBSTANTIAL ability offsetting it - generally speaking you won't go very far in this game. It's one reason why I am a big fan of Wilson - he is exactly what I wish all fighters could be.:yep

Believe me, there's some British fighters I like quite a bit. Danny Williams for one - he didn't have an iron chin to be sure, but it wasn't glass either. And he compensated with great heart. See that's the key, if you're chin isn't the greatest, you better have SOMETHING to offset it. It remains to b e seen, frankly, if Maccinarelli does. I tend to doubt it, but I could be wrong.
That is fucked up man. Lewis chin is much better than Williams. Look what Vitali did to him while out of shape and look how he made love to Williams.

Khan showed heart against Limond.

Enzo showed heart against Hobson.

Even Audley showed some heart against Williams when he actually got dropped. When Sprott caught him, he couldn't get up if he wanted to.

You shouldn't be so disrespectful to fighters.

[ChampionsForever]

Maccarinelli took some bombs last night, does Ding hit harder than Mac??

[pioterbezkitu]

You don't follow boxing, you follow glass chins

[Boro chris]

You shouldn't be so disrespectful to fighters.

:good This is what pisses me off about all these 'chin' threads.

[Zakman]

That is fucked up man. Lewis chin is much better than Williams. Look what Vitali did to him while out of shape and look how he made love to Williams.

Khan showed heart against Limond.

Enzo showed heart against Hobson.

Even Audley showed some heart against Williams when he actually got dropped. When Sprott caught him, he couldn't get up if he wanted to.

You shouldn't be so disrespectful to fighters.

You may see it that way, I see it as simply calling a spade a spade, or in this case a glass jaw a glass jaw. There is too much idol-worship of fighters among boxing fans, it impedes critical analysis. If there are signs of questionable punch resistance, I'm gonna call it - people need to know.

If you can't see that Fraudley has an abysmal chin, it is clear there you can't recognize that ANY fighter has poor punch resistance. Punch resistance is probably THE most significant factor in predicting the trajectory of a fighter's career. IF Fraudley had had a chin, he wouldn't have been so scared in the ring, and might have been able to unleash some of his natural skills. I am really surprised that you can't see this.

Oh, and you're gonna hate me for this one, my man - but I think your man Haye has some shaky whiskers, too.:hey If I were him I would think twice about playing with the big boys in the HW division!

[dragosuhail]

i think Zakman tried his hand at boxing once.

and got KTFO like what otke did to mundine. ever since then he's developed an obsessive eagerness to point out glass jaws to make himself feel better :D

don't worry tho i don't dislike Zakman. i think he's a colourful character on ESB!

have you tried having an operation to remove the nerves in your jaw Zakman. im sure you would have come across it in your never ending search for the titanium jaw! ;)

:rofl :rofl

[Vantage_West]

Who called Fraudley's glass jaw over two years before it was exposed???:huhthe chances of getting koed in boxing is high...so why is it that when somone is koed they are then exposed? very odd

[Zakman]

i think Zakman tried his hand at boxing once.

and got KTFO like what otke did to mundine. ever since then he's developed an obsessive eagerness to point out glass jaws to make himself feel better :D

don't worry tho i don't dislike Zakman. i think he's a colourful character on ESB!

have you tried having an operation to remove the nerves in your jaw Zakman. im sure you would have come across it in your never ending search for the titanium jaw! ;)

:rofl :rofl

:lol::lol:

Guy, I have LITTLE doubt I'd get starched early if I ever stepped in a boxing ring.:D

And I'm OK with that. Most people would.:hey

[achillesthegreat]

You may see it that way, I see it as simply calling a spade a spade, or in this case a glass jaw a glass jaw. There is too much idol-worship of fighters among boxing fans, it impedes critical analysis. If there are signs of questionable punch resistance, I'm gonna call it - people need to know.

If you can't see that Fraudley has an abysmal chin, it is clear there you can't recognize that ANY fighter has poor punch resistance. Punch resistance is probably THE most significant factor in predicting the trajectory of a fighter's career. IF Fraudley had had a chin, he wouldn't have been so scared in the ring, and might have been able to unleash some of his natural skills. I am really surprised that you can't see this.

Oh, and you're gonna hate me for this one, my man - but I think your man Haye has some shaky whiskers, too.:hey If I were him I would think twice about playing with the big boys in the HW division!
When you give a fighter his rightful respect, you are not idolising him, you are respecting the game!

Punch resistance is merely an element of a fighters career. You are hung up on it. You say Lewis has a glass chin but when he is on form he could beat any heavyweight in the history of this sport.

Haye does have shaky whispers. As soon as I saw a super middleweight rock his world, I thought about it. Then he got stopped by Carl.

What did he do though? He got himself a defence, started to train like a professional and became a much more intelligent operator? Doing this has taken him from being the English Champion to the European Champion/ World Title Mandatory...

...so there goes your chin theory!

[Amsterdam]

Maccarinelli took some bombs last night, does Ding hit harder than Mac??

Yes, much harder in fact.

[Sonny's jab]

If "Ding a Ling" lands a punch like he landed on Emmanuel Nwodo he knocks almost ANYONE out.

Cruiserweights like him - and perhaps even Enzo Mac himself - tend to make a mockery of the invention of the division itself.
Watch Ding a Ling KO of Emmanuel Nwodo and tell me that's not a heavyweight punch.
Man, that shit was sick, that'd make Earnie Shavers proud. Fuckin' ferocious.

If Enzo has anything less than good whiskers he shouldn't want no part of Ding a Ling, because even a glancing shot from that dude might KO a cruiser with sub-par chin.

Having said that, I've seen Ding-a-Ling fight a number of times and often he's too slow, plodding and predictable.

[Words]

Who hits harder, Ding or Davi Haye?

[Amsterdam]

Who hits harder, Ding or Davi Haye?

Haye

[Zakman]

Haye does have shaky whispers. As soon as I saw a super middleweight rock his world, I thought about it. Then he got stopped by Carl.

What did he do though? He got himself a defence, started to train like a professional and became a much more intelligent operator? Doing this has taken him from being the English Champion to the European Champion/ World Title Mandatory...

...so there goes your chin theory!

Same thing Lewis did. Doesn't mean their whiskers aren't still questionable - as Lewis' first fight with Rahman clearly demonstrated. I suspect the same thing will be shown to be the case with Haye, particularly if he moves up to HW.:yep

[Amsterdam]

Same thing Lewis did. Doesn't mean their whiskers aren't still questionable - as Lewis' first fight with Rahman clearly demonstrated. I suspect the same thing will be shown to be the case with Haye, particularly if he moves up to HW.:yep

Haye's a really good fighter though despite having a suspect jaw(which I think it's a bit better without the weight draining to make cruiser), he's good for boxing and he hits extremely hard, is fast and skilled.

Enzo Macaroni is a joke, he's not even comparable to Haye's ability.

[Amsterdam]

Amsterdam, behold your hero, he is nothing but an infantile retard wowed by size, he thinks glass jawed jokes like lewis and wlad would beat peak tyson.

My hero?

Do you realise how much I am at odds with Blocky?:lol:

Tyson blows out both Klit's easily and blows out Lewis, there is no doubt about that, all of them can't handle that type of relentless assault while backing up, that's why they have little to no chance.

[Zakman]

Haye's a really good fighter though despite having a suspect jaw(which I think it's a bit better without the weight draining to make cruiser), he's good for boxing and he hits extremely hard, is fast and skilled.

Enzo Macaroni is a joke, he's not even comparable to Haye's ability.

Oh, I agree with that - I actually think Haye might be able to have a Lewis-like career, IF he's able to keep that chin protected. I don't share your optimism about his chances at HW, however.

[Dostoevsky]

If the internet was around in the 60's and 50's and Sackman was around back then, he would say Ali had a glass chin for being knocked down by Cooper and that Marciano had a class chin for getting knocked down by two light heavyweights.

Sackman despite popular belief really has no knowledge of boxing at all, he just puts ideas on who he thinks has a glass jaws or not.

Holyfield got knocked out by a blown up middleweigth, I guess he has a glass jaw too?

[Amsterdam]

If the internet was around in the 60's and 50's and Sackman was around back then, he would say Ali had a glass chin for being knocked down by Cooper and that Marciano had a class chin for getting knocked down by two light heavyweights.

Sackman despite popular belief really has no knowledge of boxing at all, he just puts ideas on who he thinks has a glass jaws or not.

Holyfield got knocked out by a blown up middleweigth, I guess he has a glass jaw too?

Holyfield was stopped by the corner throwing in the towel, not KOed.:rofl

Let's talk about boxing knowledge...

[Amsterdam]

Oh, I agree with that - I actually think Haye might be able to have a Lewis-like career, IF he's able to keep that chin protected. I don't share your optimism about his chances at HW, however.

He's going to KO Mormeck and Bell if he sticks around at Cruiser. I'd definitley pick Haye over Brock and Rahman, as well as guys like Arreola and Eddie Chambers, I'd take him over Maskaev.

He can have SOME success in a really explosive, entertaining career,

[Zakman]

Sackman despite popular belief really has no knowledge of boxing at all, he just puts ideas on who he thinks has a glass jaws or not.

I've been following the sport for 30 years, and have studied the history of the sport extensively - which is one reason why I am good at predicting the outcomes of fights. Critics like yourself can say what you want, but my record speaks for itself.

And punch resistence IS an important variable in predicting the outcomes of fights, and in judging the historical legacy of fighters. Disagree if you will, but most knowlegable observers recognize this.:yep

[Words]

yeah sorry dont wanna hi-jack the ESB-ding-circle-jerk but Haye is the one to watch at cruiserweight. Ding has bang but I reckon Haye is the hardest puncher at cruiserweight. Ding might be top5, maybe even 2nd, but Haye wins. Infact I think he's a harder hitter than all but the very biggest guys at Heavyweight ie Klitschko's, Peter, Brewster. I'd put Tua, Briggs, Rahman on that list but they're so old now I dont think they've got the same speed as Haye.

A so-called big puncher like Mac couldn't put Wayne Braithwaite away, whereas I dont think Braithwaite would go 6 rounds with Haye.

I offer Darrell no disrespect. Infact I think the way he's got back into title contention after losing 4 in a row is superb achievement. I think that Ding - Haye is perhaps one of the best fights in boxing, better than anything you'll see at heavyweight bar Vitali vs Wlad Klitschko and I'd love to see it. It'd be WAR. But Haye is much much too big for ding, just like Macca would be. Haye is 6ft3 walks around weighing 235lbs, he's in shape at 220lbs, the guy has to lose more weight than any other boxer going to stay in his division. I think that Haye would stop Ding.

I know Haye's got a poor chin, but hello so did Felix Cora Jnr, doesn't mean Ding's automatically knock you out.

[Zakman]

A so-called big puncher like Mac couldn't put Wayne Braithwaite away, whereas I dont think Braithwaite would go 6 rounds with Haye.

Agreed - but what about Ding vs. Maccarinelli??:huh

[Words]

Mac's arms are too long, Ding is short and stocky I dont think he could get inside on mac and hurt him. Mac showed he has a great jab against Braithwaite, and I think Ding would be stuck on the end of that all night. I dont think Macca would want to engage with Ding at all, he'll be quite negative and unwilliage to really trade, coz of ding's undisputed power and chin.

I dont think Mac takes Ding out though, if he couldn't finish Braithwait then he's not gonna be the one to KO Ding. I also think Ding has a much better chance of winning by stoppage than Mac because he's a better finisher, it only takes one punch. If he gets inside even briefly it could be lights out.

On that basis I can see it being a wide UD for Enzo Mac, but with the constant possibilty of a Ding KO throughout to spice it up. It'd be a tougher fight for him than braithwaite, who looked a bit knackered to me, although I don't wanna take too much away from Enzo I think Braithwaite has seen his best days. Ding makes a fight of it no doubt and has enough power to take out Enzo, but he's unlikely to win.

Infact, I think that Ding probably has a better chance against Haye, coz Haye has a poor chin, and because Haye will want to brawl with Ding whereas Enzo will box conservatively. There's no way it goes 12 rounds, and Haye's chin and willingness to brawl could leave him on his arse. And I dont wanna hear a load of Ding nuthuggers come along and tell me story Ding's titanium chin, I know he has a great beard, but Haye could blast him out. Thats what makes it such a good fight in prospect, and possibly closer than Enzo - Ding. Haye - Ding is a much more attractive fight than Enzo - Ding if you ask me, that'd might end up with Qawi - Holyfield, Jirov - Toney and Mormeck - Bell in non-existant "the best fights ever at cruiserweight" list should it ever happen.

[PIRA]

Who called Fraudley's glass jaw over two years before it was exposed???:huh

Forget his glass jaw - everyone called him for having a glass heart well before this. Absolutley nothing special about "predicting" a fighter going down who had demonstrated time and time again lack of confidence in himself.

[Words]

No way Enzo lasts 12 rounds with Haye! Haye not a technical fighter? Put the crack pipe down for a minute and listen There's no cruiserweight about who's gonna last 12 with Haye, they either win by KO or lose by KO. The only people who are gonna last 12 with this guy are proven-chinned tough-guy Heavyweights; Tua, Brewster, McCall, people who can take heavyweight punches and stay upright, coz thats what Haye delivers.

Its an close match up, but Haye's power is too much for Enzo. Enzo wont be able to bully Haye around because Haye is bigger, stronger and harder hitting than Enzo. Haye's jab will not fall short like Braithwaite's did all night long, and although Enzo has a good jab, Haye has an absolutely monstrous jab. Haye beats Enzo to the punch, and bosses him in every exchange, and has the power speed and skill to take macca out in brutal fashion. Mac doesn't hit has hard as Haye or Ding, and I dont rate his chin that highly either.

[Zakman]

No way Enzo lasts 12 rounds with Haye! Haye not a technical fighter? Put the crack pipe down for a minute and listen There's no cruiserweight about who's gonna last 12 with Haye, they either win by KO or lose by KO.

Enzo won't last more than a few rounds with Ding either.

Both Haye and Wilson knock him out cold within 5 rounds! :nod

[Axe]

You don't follow boxing, you follow glass chins

Certainly looks that way. :-((

[Zakman]

You don't follow boxing, you follow glass chinsCertainly looks that way. :-((

Both, actuallyl. I am a long-time (30 year) follower of boxing, and a practiced Chin-checker!:D

I love boxing and I love to smoke out glass jaws. You might say it's my hobby.......:lol:

[Axe]

Both, actuallyl. I am a long-time (30 year) follower of boxing, and a practiced Chin-checker!:D

I love boxing and I love to smoke out glass jaws. You might say it's my hobby.......:lol:

We know, we know. :nut

[Ding]

Haye is three parts over-rated, two parts talent.

No questioning the guy has appeal and it would be great for him to step up and show it at the top level - if for nothing more than the press he's able to garner with a build like that and his brash/over confident manner

You had guys, such as Ding himself, saying Enzo deserved full respect if he managed to beat Braithwate - Braithwate was a good test for Enzo who showed he can A: Take a punch, B: Deliver a great punch and C: Box to victory.

What Enzo Calzaghe is doing with his gym of fighters there in Newbridge is tremendous, he's fast turning it into the latest "Kronk" - where Calzaghe, Mac and his other fighters all get in the ring and spar each other, ensuring great preparation for their fights.

Enzo is a very smart, very skilled trainer who is doing great things with his fighters and is only now starting to get noticed. He's a master at getting bigger guys to do what the smaller guys do - workrate, feint, slip punches and counter.

Meanwhile you've got relics like Ding, big punching monsters who hedge all bets on stopping their opponent, with sloppy technique, bad cardio, etc etc... taking all the publicity because they landed a monster punch against a tough challenger.

Mac would beat Ding, easily.



Well tell him and FW to fuggin sign the contract, and stop giving us the run around if its so EASY. ANYONE who throws alot of combos like he was when Wayne was against ropes will get KO'ed by my counter hook. Btw my last opponent was 6'3 with a 79" reach and is clearly a bigger puncher than Mac less not working as well from the outside. Wayne and I are not the same. I'm a more deadly puncher for 2 reasons, i'm a great counter puncher and i'm much more of a concusive puncher.

I don't like to keep talkin about it, I like to sign fight contracts and see who can beat who.:deal

So yes, I was impressed by Enzo, but only one of us wants the fight.:hey

[Words]

Frank ****** bailed Enzo out of a fight against David Haye, that fight should've happened but they didn't wanna take the risk. Thats despite there being a minor outcry for the fight to happen in Britain. They aren't gonna sign that contract anytime soon ding...

[Zakman]

They aren't gonna sign that contract anytime soon ding...

Sad to say, but you're probably right. Maccarinelli doesn't want to get KTFO, and won't take the fight until he HAS to.:yep

[Fighting Fisherman]

Well tell him and FW to fuggin sign the contract, and stop giving us the run around if its so EASY. ANYONE who throws alot of combos like he was when Wayne was against ropes will get KO'ed by my counter hook. Btw my last opponent was 6'3 with a 79" reach and is clearly a bigger puncher than Mac less not working as well from the outside. Wayne and I are not the same. I'm a more deadly puncher for 2 reasons, i'm a great counter puncher and i'm much more of a concusive puncher.

I don't like to keep talkin about it, I like to sign fight contracts and see who can beat who.:deal

So yes, I was impressed by Enzo, but only one of us wants the fight.:hey

Hey Ding, if you do get a fight with Maccarinelli please go to his body early and often. The man keeps his gloves high and his elbows wide... a perfect situation for you to through straight down the center to the stomach. As you know, this will create an opening for ya to take him out later in the fight when his hands come down... and they will come down..

Good luck! :bbb

[Strike]

Joe Louis was dropped quite a lot and stopped also. Tommy Hearns was a bit chinny, I guess they were both crap and exposed when they faced a puncher.

[David UK]

Enzo Mac is looking for unification matches from now on. Apparently Cunningham has been lined up as the latest victim.

[Brickhaus]

Considering Ding is ranked 6 by the WBO (probably 5 after Brathwaite got destroyed), it's not necessarily that unlikely. Of course, he's also ranked 13th by IBF (somehow behind Nwodo still), 14th by WBC and WBA, so maybe he gets a mandatory shot somewhere else first. There are definately guys he could beat ahead of him in all of those rankings, so if a name won't give him a shot yet, he can take some other punk's head off on FNF to move up further.

[Theo]

Well tell him and FW to fuggin sign the contract, and stop giving us the run around if its so EASY. ANYONE who throws alot of combos like he was when Wayne was against ropes will get KO'ed by my counter hook. Btw my last opponent was 6'3 with a 79" reach and is clearly a bigger puncher than Mac less not working as well from the outside. Wayne and I are not the same. I'm a more deadly puncher for 2 reasons, i'm a great counter puncher and i'm much more of a concusive puncher.

I don't like to keep talkin about it, I like to sign fight contracts and see who can beat who.:deal

So yes, I was impressed by Enzo, but only one of us wants the fight.:hey

dont take this the wrong way, but isnt that because there are probably more lucrative fights out there for him? certainly ones that are less dangerious.

btw, how'd you reckon a fight between yourself and enzo would play out? its obvious you have the power, but a points win? ;)

personally i reckon enzo is most likely the guy that can make the biggest rivaly for people at cruiser, i like haye to but frankly he is dead at the weight in my opinion.

/Theo

[elias]

Macca showed some good skills against Braithwaite. He kept a big puncher away with his jab and fired out some big shots. He'd be very hard for a smaller, less technical fighter to beat.

[emanuel_augustus]

Btw my last opponent was 6'3 with a 79" reach and is clearly a bigger puncher than Mac less not working as well from the outside. Wayne and I are not the same. I'm a more deadly puncher for 2 reasons, i'm a great counter puncher and i'm much more of a concusive puncher.

Nwodo is not a harder puncher than Maccarinelli, no way.

Enzo Mac is looking for unification matches from now on. Apparently Cunningham has been lined up as the latest victim.


Good fight, but isn't Cunningham trying to line up his mandatory, Marco Huck for early fall?

Considering Ding is ranked 6 by the WBO (probably 5 after Brathwaite got destroyed), it's not necessarily that unlikely. Of course, he's also ranked 13th by IBF (somehow behind Nwodo still), 14th by WBC and WBA, so maybe he gets a mandatory shot somewhere else first. There are definately guys he could beat ahead of him in all of those rankings, so if a name won't give him a shot yet, he can take some other punk's head off on FNF to move up further.

Ding is right there, but I'd like to see him beat a top 10 guy before he gets a title shot. Great roll, granted, but one more good win over a top 10 would mean he's truly earned the shot.

[nickthegreek]

I've been following the sport for 30 years, and have studied the history of the sport extensively - which is one reason why I am good at predicting the outcomes of fights. Critics like yourself can say what you want, but my record speaks for itself.

And punch resistence IS an important variable in predicting the outcomes of fights, and in judging the historical legacy of fighters. Disagree if you will, but most knowlegable observers recognize this.:yep

Remember these ...... :deal

Margarito TKO 8 - WRONG
Cintron TKO9 WON BUT MILES AWAY WITH YOUR PREDICTION
Gatti UD WRONG
Krasniqi UD WRONG
Dimitrenko TKO 7 CLOSE BUT NO CIGAR
Sprott UD WRONG
Small UD WRONG
Cook UD WRONG
Khan UD WON, BUT AGAIN YOU'RE MILES AWAY
Jones UD WAHEY, YOU GOT ONE RIGHT!
Molitor UD WON, BUT AGAIN YOU'RE FUCKING MILES AWAY

That is all your honour....

[Zakman]

Remember these ...... :deal

Margarito TKO 8 - WRONG
Cintron TKO9 WON BUT MILES AWAY WITH YOUR PREDICTION
Gatti UD WRONG
Krasniqi UD WRONG
Dimitrenko TKO 7 CLOSE BUT NO CIGAR
Sprott UD WRONG
Small UD WRONG
Cook UD WRONG
Khan UD WON, BUT AGAIN YOU'RE MILES AWAY
Jones UD WAHEY, YOU GOT ONE RIGHT!
Molitor UD WON, BUT AGAIN YOU'RE FUCKING MILES AWAY

That is all your honour....

Jeez, OF COURSE I've gotten some wrong, I pick fights every week. You seem to have carefully selected the worst week I have had all year! :patsch

The bottom line is that I have the best overall prediction rate in the "ESB champ" prediction competition, so I must be doing something right! :yep

[Zakman]

You get as many wrong as you get right, fella.

I've never computed a percentage, but I would venture to say I'm above 50 percent. And in big fights, my record is even better.

What's more - in predicting glass jaws, I've hit the nail on the head MULTIPLE times, this past year alone!! Fraudley and Litzau have been utterly exposed; Taylor's next. :yep

[dlogvine]

Jeez, OF COURSE I've gotten some wrong, I pick fights every week. You seem to have carefully selected the worst week I have had all year! :patsch

The bottom line is that I have the best overall prediction rate in the "ESB champ" prediction competition, so I must be doing something right! :yep
Right, you are sooo good! The point is that your predictions are as good as guessing 50-50 (statistically speaking). And talking about the glass chin - this is bull. ANYBODY (contenders or titleholders) in cruiser and HW divisions on any give night can knock out any other fighter, in case of Ding he threw a lucky punch at a tired guy and connected well. Enzo is a lot better than Nwodo and I haven't yet seen him exposing his 'glass chin' except at your posts. He lost only one fight altogether (by KO)! Where does your divination comes from?

[PrideOfWales]

I've seen Enzo in trouble against some good (not great) punchers, I can't deny that. But these are big blokes at Cruiser and Enzo's defence wasn't as tight as it is now. Enzo Calzaghe is tightening everything Maccarinelli does up and we're just starting to see the results of that now. On Saturday, I was really impressed by how quick he seemed at times and his speed, boxing and most improtantly his defence is much better.

I think Enzo is beatable by the very best in the division. I think he's quite open to someone with a big, accurate right hand. Ding just doesn't have the sharpness and the accuracy to be the one to do it. There are some great fights to be made in this division, but Maccarinelli vs Wilson is not one that excites me very much.

Maccarinelli TKO8

[Zakman]

Right, you are sooo good! The point is that your predictions are as good as guessing 50-50 (statistically speaking). And talking about the glass chin - this is bull. ANYBODY (contenders or titleholders) in cruiser and HW divisions on any give night can knock out any other fighter, in case of Ding he threw a lucky punch at a tired guy and connected well. Enzo is a lot better than Nwodo and I haven't yet seen him exposing his 'glass chin' except at your posts. He lost only one fight altogether (by KO)! Where does your divination comes from?
Simply guessing would produce 50/50 outcomes, based on simply probability theory - but as I indicated, while I have not computed my exact prediction percentage, I would GUARANTEE you that is above the 50/50 outcome one would expect simply by chance - the very fact that I've lead the prediction competitions is evidence of this.

Now, on Chinchecking - you offer the same ol' fallacy offered by many boxing fans - "ANYBODY. . .can knock out any other fighter." If that's the case, how come Oliver McCall's never been knocked out. The reality is that a fighter has to have less than solid PUNCH RESISTANCE (i.e. chin) in order to be knocked out, and the more that this happens, the closer the fighter gets to glass.

Of course, you also have to consider the opposition - which is why Fraudley, who was starched by a guy with a 50A% KO rate, and Litzau, who was taken out by some stiff with a near-.500 record, clearly have glass jaws. Maccinarelli also was taken out by some guy with a .500 record - but since it happened early in his career, and he hasn't been knocked out since, the most accurate rating of his chin is "SUSPECT." I have a strong hunch it will be PROVEN glass soon, just like Fraudley and Litzau - which is why I want him to face Ding!:happy

[Ding]

"Nwodo is not a harder puncher than Maccarinelli, no way."



:-(
OK

[Ding]

I've seen Enzo in trouble against some good (not great) punchers, I can't deny that. But these are big blokes at Cruiser and Enzo's defence wasn't as tight as it is now. Enzo Calzaghe is tightening everything Maccarinelli does up and we're just starting to see the results of that now. On Saturday, I was really impressed by how quick he seemed at times and his speed, boxing and most improtantly his defence is much better.

I think Enzo is beatable by the very best in the division. I think he's quite open to someone with a big, accurate right hand. Ding just doesn't have the sharpness and the accuracy to be the one to do it. There are some great fights to be made in this division, but Maccarinelli vs Wilson is not one that excites me very much.

Maccarinelli TKO8



It depends on what he is allowed to bring to the ring.:gun

[Amsterdam]

It depends on what he is allowed to bring to the ring.:gun

Enzo can't fight backing up, you're pressure would open him up to your massive shots, how can everyone miss such a simple little fact?:lol:

[Zakman]

It depends on what he is allowed to bring to the ring.:gun

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Indeed!!:good

[PrideOfWales]

Enzo can't fight backing up, you're pressure would open him up like when I imagine sticking my cock up your ass, how can everyone miss such a simple little fact?:lol:

Because of Enzo's jab

[dlogvine]

Now, on Chinchecking - you offer the same ol' fallacy offered by many boxing fans - "ANYBODY. . .can knock out any other fighter." If that's the case, how come Oliver McCall's never been knocked out. The reality is that a fighter has to have less than solid PUNCH RESISTANCE (i.e. chin) in order to be knocked out, and the more that this happens, the closer the fighter gets to glass.

Of course, you also have to consider the opposition - which is why Fraudley, who was starched by a guy with a 50A% KO rate, and Litzau, who was taken out by some stiff with a near-.500 record, clearly have glass jaws. Maccinarelli also was taken out by some guy with a .500 record - but since it happened early in his career, and he hasn't been knocked out since, the most accurate rating of his chin is "SUSPECT." I have a strong hunch it will be PROVEN glass soon, just like Fraudley and Litzau - which is why I want him to face Ding!:happy

We shall see to it. I think that besides an ability to hold the punch you are greatly overlooking something that a lot of the people do not take into consideration - defense against these heavy bombs. This could be just a simple and unnoticable little move of the boxers head or body that softens the power of the punch or significantly decreases it. Even the tightness of the neck muscles at the moment of receiving a punch could play significant role in withstanding this punch. And this ability to dodge or get away from the punch even when it hits you really makes great fighters. Again some people can withstand more punishment than the others, so I dont want to discard this, but it looks to me like Maccarinelli does know how to box (not just throw haymakers) better than Ding. Still I think that Ding is able and totally can end the fight early (the sooner the better for him) and Im Dings' fan all the way.

[Matthew W]

This whole glass chin nonsense is a bit ridiculous. At Cruiserweight and Heavyweight all fighters are susceptible to being KO'ed if they get hit with a big punch, it doesn't prove they have a glass chin, and so if Enzo did get KO'ed by Ding or Haye that wouldn't prove anything.

If a guy is getting repeatedly wobbled by average punchers, or can never seem to take a good punch, then you have a case that they have a glass chin, but the fact that Mac took some good punches against Braithwaite, and also in other fights such as against Hobson, proves to me he doesn't have a glass chin, and if he now gets KO'ed against a big puncher that doesn't prove anything.

I haven't seen Ding fight enough to predict the outcome if he were to fight Mac, but having seen clips of the Nwondo fight he is clearly a very big puncher. From what I've seen Enzo looks like the better fighter, and if I had to call it I would call it the same way as the Braithwaite fight, Enzo by clear UD, but he would definitely be running a risk taking the fight. Looks like Enzo is fighting Cunningham on the Calzaghe-Kessler undercard anyway though.

[Odo]

People who dismiss Tokarev's chances against Maccarinelli praise Wilson and have no doubt that he would beat the Brit!
Makes me laugh!
Cora defeated Wilson,and Tokarev beat both Cora and Wilson.
Wilson hasnt beaten no top fighter yet.Quite the opposite whenever he faced a known name inside a box ring he wasnt the one who was called victor.

[Ding]

People who dismiss Tokarev's chances against Maccarinelli praise Wilson and have no doubt that he would beat the Brit!
Makes me laugh!
Cora defeated Wilson,and Tokarev beat both Cora and Wilson.
Wilson hasnt beaten no top fighter yet.Quite the opposite whenever he faced a known name inside a box ring he wasnt the one who was called victor.


Just curious, have you seen Dale Brown's fight with Bell?

The fight he had after Bell he suffered a bad Back injury in the 1st round if you didn't know.

Have you seen the Kelvin Davis fight with Bell?

Tokarev and Cora are better names than Dale Brown and Kelvin Davis:huh Neither one was a world champion. Dale Brown CLEARLY beat Oneil Bell.

Oops I forgot, there is no possible way I had a serious problem with my adrenal glands when I fought them (its documented, look it up on google), It was just an excuse. :-(

If I had fought Emmaneul Nwodo in the same condition I was in when I fought them, I may not have made to the final bell, and I've never been on my back. He is WAY stronger than them.

BTW, who are you ?? What have you done in boxing?

All of you will respect me soon, cause when I get my shot I will be champ, but people will still find a way to hate because of their biased minds. I really need you, trust me I do.:good

The reason people would favor me to beat Enzo before Tokarev is because I'm much deadlier puncher with a better chin.:deal

I've never been considered a liar by my peers, so I have to take it with a grain of salt when you say I was lying about my physical condition and training camp length when I fought them.

:fuckoff

[Zakman]

The reason people would favor me to beat Enzo before Tokarev is because I'm much deadlier puncher with a better chin.:deal

Bingo. And if Maccarinelli actually has the BALLS to get in the ring with you, people will see exactly what difference those qualities make.

IMO, Enzo's shaky chin lets him down early, and you bounce him up and down off the canvas like a basketball!:yep:D

[Zakman]

This whole glass chin nonsense is a bit ridiculous. At Cruiserweight and Heavyweight all fighters are susceptible to being KO'ed if they get hit with a big punch, it doesn't prove they have a glass chin, and so if Enzo did get KO'ed by Ding or Haye that wouldn't prove anything.

If a guy is getting repeatedly wobbled by average punchers, or can never seem to take a good punch, then you have a case that they have a glass chin....
Not exactly - the key isn't whether fighters get "wobbled," it's whether they get KTFO. The true glass jawed fighter ends up unconscious on the canvas, not merely wobbled, multiple times. A classic recent example is Hasim Rahman.

This myth that "all fighters are susceptible to being KO'd" is proven false by the many fighters who fight regularly at HW, but do NOT get KOd. The guys that get KOd clearly have, at a minimum, suspect chins. And if it happens more than once, you can be pretty sure you're talking CHINA. :nod

[Words]

HOw shaky is Enzo's chin? I mean Lee Swaby knocked him out early in his career, but I'm willing to forgiv that coz Swaby is a good fighter and Enzo was total novice when he took that fight. He was hurt by Mark Hobson in their first fight, and although Hobson at the time was definitely world top 20, he's not a bigger puncher than the likes of Haye, Ding, Mormeck, and Bell.

we all know Haye's chin isn't great, although I get the feeling that neither is Enzo's, just due to some cautious match-making and a more cautious style inside the ring he's not had it exposed the same way. I think that if Enzo had fought the likes of Arthur Williams, Carl Thompson, Glen Kelly in his first 10 fights he might've been knocked out.

[emanuel_augustus]

All of you will respect me soon, cause when I get my shot I will be champ, but people will still find a way to hate because of their biased minds. I really need you, trust me I do.

I think we all respect you for what you do in the ring. I just seriously doubt that any champ is just going to give you a title shot unless they have to. I personally think you should beat a guy in the top 10 to make that happen.

Bingo. And if Maccarinelli actually has the BALLS to get in the ring with you, people will see exactly what difference those qualities make.

IMO, Enzo's shaky chin lets him down early, and you bounce him up and down off the canvas like a basketball!

Enzo looks improved. His jab is better, he's tall and hard to reach and, whether you hate on him or not, the kid can flat crack with the right hand. He's a better fighter than Nwodo and would be the clear favorite over Ding at this point. That's not to say he couldn't get ko'd, anyone can if hit with a huge bomb.

[Rock0052]

All of you will respect me soon, cause when I get my shot I will be champ, but people will still find a way to hate because of their biased minds. I really need you, trust me I do.:good




Ding, I know trying to prove the haters wrong is always a big motivator, but you're one of the most popular fighters on ESB, and a hell of a lot of people respect you and are fans (I know I am). Keep doin what you do, rack up a couple more KO's, and try to get into becoming a mandatory- that's your best chance for any of the current guys to give you a shot since a guy with one-punch KO power doesn't fit many risk-reward profiles they're looking for. :deal:good

[Ding]

I think we all respect you for what you do in the ring. I just seriously doubt that any champ is just going to give you a title shot unless they have to. I personally think you should beat a guy in the top 10 to make that happen.



Enzo looks improved. His jab is better, he's tall and hard to reach and, whether you hate on him or not, the kid can flat crack with the right hand. He's a better fighter than Nwodo and would be the clear favorite over Ding at this point. That's not to say he couldn't get ko'd, anyone can if hit with a huge bomb.


I just did

[Ding]

Ding, I know trying to prove the haters wrong is always a big motivator, but you're one of the most popular fighters on ESB, and a hell of a lot of people respect you and are fans (I know I am). Keep doin what you do, rack up a couple more KO's, and try to get into becoming a mandatory- that's your best chance for any of the current guys to give you a shot since a guy with one-punch KO power doesn't fit many risk-reward profiles they're looking for. :deal:good



We are close to a fight with someone now, but I wont mention him until its more concrete. If not, we are pushing for a fight with Adamek in an eliminator on an undercard of a cruiser title fight this fall. All he has to do is sign.:deal

[Ding]

Btw, there are atleast 5 good fighters that you guys know of that was afraid of emmanuel nwodo and there's proof, thats why he had the long lay off. They're a couple of people on this board who know of them. I'll give them the opportunity to tell who they are before I mention any names.

Hint: 3 of them are in ring magazines top 10. One is rated VERY high in the wbc, and the other had a fight with chris thomas a couple fights ago.

[Ding]

Ding, don't get us wrong. We're not meaning personal disrespect to you or to your career to date. Compared to you, my man - none of us in these forums has done anything in boxing and I'm not going to sit here and attempt to justify differently or talk about the amateur career I had......

However, I'm an analyst of boxing and also receive money to write opinion on sport, including some paid pieces for a couple of news sites in New Zealand and other work, including articles for ESB itself.

No one doubts your health issues at the time you lost the four fights in a row - however that's bad management to allow yourself to fight through that - it shows heart, don't get me wrong but it puts you in an unenviable spot as someone who can be avoided.

"oh, Darnell Wilson? He lost four in a row, why would I fight him?"

Look, like I said at the time- you showed great heart and spirit to stay motivated in that fight, battle through exhaustion and land those final shots to KO Nwodo.....

And as a fighter, I'd be HIGHLY worried if you didn't believe you could beat anyone in your division, it's an instinct every fighter should have, or they shouldn't be fighting (in my view)

But when someone makes a post about "Ding will annihilate Maccarinelli" - you have to expect that we're going to debate the subject and as part of that debate, pick apart what WE believe are flaws in the way you box, how we believe the fight will go down and why we disagree with the original poster.

That isn't disrespect to you and yours - you come across as a really likeable guy with a solid personality, that's simply boxing talk, buddy.

So when I say I think Enzo has you on the end of his jab, has a more effective technique than you and won't tire out like Nwodo, effectively giving you opportunities to close out after you'd spent the majority of the fight being beaten to the punch, it's not meant as a personal disrespect.

Capice?


:good

[emanuel_augustus]

Was Nwodo ranked in the top 10 by any organization?

[Ding]

Was Nwodo ranked in the top 10 by any organization?


A few months back he was number 8 in the IBF and 8 or 9 in the WBO, also 11th or something in the WBA.:good you can check the history more than likely. I took his ranking in the WBO plus a couple of spots.

When the IBF rankings get updated, I'll move way up cause of my recent opposition and the fact that I won one of their trinket tiltes.:bbb

[emanuel_augustus]

A few months back he was number 8 in the IBF and 8 or 9 in the WBO, also 11th or something in the WBA. you can check the history more than likely. I took his ranking in the WBO plus a couple of spots.

When the IBF rankings get updated, I'll move way up cause of my recent opposition and the fact that I won one of their trinket tiltes.

Ok, cool, I didn't think he was top 10. How are negotiations coming? You mentioned Cunningham. I've read him rumored to be fighting either Marco as mandatory or Enzo in a uni match.

[Ding]

Ok, cool, I didn't think he was top 10. How are negotiations coming? You mentioned Cunningham. I've read him rumored to be fighting either Marco as mandatory or Enzo in a uni match.



Thats true, but there may be an ego issue when it comes to where the fights gonna be, but money talks(steve needs it for something important). Huck's people want the fight over there in Germany and are offerring a good payday, but I dont think he will feel comfortable with that dispite winning the title in Poland.

[Odo]

Just curious, have you seen Dale Brown's fight with Bell?

The fight he had after Bell he suffered a bad Back injury in the 1st round if you didn't know.

Have you seen the Kelvin Davis fight with Bell?

Tokarev and Cora are better names than Dale Brown and Kelvin Davis:huh Neither one was a world champion. Dale Brown CLEARLY beat Oneil Bell.

Oops I forgot, there is no possible way I had a serious problem with my adrenal glands when I fought them (its documented, look it up on google), It was just an excuse. :-(

If I had fought Emmaneul Nwodo in the same condition I was in when I fought them, I may not have made to the final bell, and I've never been on my back. He is WAY stronger than them.

BTW, who are you ?? What have you done in boxing?

All of you will respect me soon, cause when I get my shot I will be champ, but people will still find a way to hate because of their biased minds. I really need you, trust me I do.:good

The reason people would favor me to beat Enzo before Tokarev is because I'm much deadlier puncher with a better chin.:deal

I've never been considered a liar by my peers, so I have to take it with a grain of salt when you say I was lying about my physical condition and training camp length when I fought them.

:fuckoff

Nwodo is way stronger than Cora,Tokarev,or Purlette,eh!

Well,I watched Wilson vs Nwodo about one week ago.Yes,he seems to be a fairly decent fighter.Nevertheless he lost to Akhasamba,a mediocre African journeyman whom I had the pleasure to watch twice.
I dont intend to find a fly in the ointment,but I have never come across a fighter who had difficulties in finding an excuse why he had lost a certain fight in his career.I would also like to point out that whenever Wilson faced a known name like Cora,Tokarev,or Purlette he left the ring without a victory.
No,I dont want to belittle Darnell Wilson,and no,I havent seen Davis' fight with Bell.
As for Daniel Judah,Dale Brown,or Kelvin Davis they are all fairly decent fighters,but none of the aformentioned names cant hold a candle to Tokarev.
You officially lost to Tokarev,and Tokarev was schooled and totally dominated in his last fight by Marco Huck.
I had a good laugh when I had a look at boxingtalk' s ratings where I found Wilson at nr.7,but Huck at nr.9.
An American passport helps a lot in the paid ranks and in the ratings .
However,it doesnt reflect a fighter's true capability.
Tokarev beat you,and so did Cora who also lost to Tokarev.The Russian was taught a lesson in boxing in his last fight by young talent Huck.
Funnily,Wilson is rated above Huck.Makes you think,eh!
A victory over an unknown African and three American club fighters seem to be enough to be rated among the top 10 in many mags,websites,orgs,etc.
I have managed to watch Nwodo vs Wilson in the meantime.To my great sorrow I havent been able to watch the entire encounter between Davis and Wilson-only a short summary of that fight.
Honour where honour is due!
If Wilson beats a true top 10 fighter I will surely give my props to him.
However,until now Wilson hasnt beaten any top fighter!
I am not really sold on American cruisers at present.
Cunningham is absolutely overrated in my opinion.He had two close fights with Wlodarczyk who had been one of the weakest champs out there.
Cunningham's mandatory is Huck who will stop him within the distance.
Anyway! I havent seen enough fights of Wilson to judge him correctly.
However,he didnt impress me that much in his fight against Nwodo.
Fighters like Huck,Mormeck,Haye,and so on play in a different league than that unknown African.
Besides I am not a member of a choir which blows Wilson's trumpet.

And by the way why did you say that people favour you alias Wilson to beat Enzo because you/Wilson have a better chin than Tokarev.
What's wrong with Tokarev's chin?
He has never been down as far as I know.
He took some really good shots against Huck who isnt known to be feather fisted.Nevertheless he didnt go down.I guess lots of his rivals would have found themselves in the ring dust if they had taken those shots.

[Fighting Fisherman]

A victory over an unknown African and three American club fighters

I think this is a rather ridiculous statement to make, there is no way these guys are club caliber fighters. Your entitled to your opinion Odo, but I wouldn't want to spar are any club your familiar with thats for sure!

[sandwichsurgeon]

I wonder what Macrinelli and cheese tastes like:think

[Tuavale]

Another KO victim of the Ding -A- Ling Man.

[Amsterdam]

I think this is a rather ridiculous statement to make, there is no way these guys are club caliber fighters. Your entitled to your opinion Odo, but I wouldn't want to spar are any club your familiar with thats for sure!

Odo, I don't have a problem with him, he is also knowledgable on the subjects he knows well about, but he totally overrates European fighters and totally undermines American fighters, it's all ethnocentric based stuff.

Calling Brown, Davis and Nwodo club fighters is completely ridiculous.

And Tokarev wasn't dropped, but he was buzzed BADLY by Cora Jr, where as Darnell ate a ton of Cora's best shots all night, even to the point of puffy eyes and still was taking them on the jaw with little effect.

Macarinelli can't fight going back, dislikes pressure, Wilson backs him up and then Mac's game is off, Wilson KO's him. Very easy fight for Wilson.

[sandwichsurgeon]

I don't like Macrinelli but that doesn't mean I dislike Italian food, Carbonara KO1 Macrinelli.

[emanuel_augustus]

A victory over an unknown African and three American club fighters

Dale Brown is Canadian. He was also a three time world title challenger who gave a prime Jirov a tough test, until he slugged with him, and lost a highly controversial decision in an IBF title fight to O'Neil Bell, a fight most thought he won.

Kelvin Davis is a former IBF champion of the world.

Those facts alone defy the definition of "club fighter."

[New Wind]

Not sure I get the chin discussion...

And pretty sure I have no idea how to call a guy's chin either one or the other, when he has yet to have it testet.

If a guy is put to sleep from a slight grase, sure, but a guy who goes down from a hammer he didn't see? I don't see the shame in that.

[scurlaruntings]

Man stop riding Dings nuts. Mac can bang. His not my favoruite cup of tea but he is on the fringes of world class contention and does hold "a" world title.This fight ends in a KO thats a dead cert. With Dings big punch and sound chin he could put Mac to sleep anywhere between 6-7 but remember Mac also has the equaliser.

[Zakman]

Man stop riding Dings nuts. Mac can bang. His not my favoruite cup of tea but he is on the fringes of world class contention and does hold "a" world title.This fight ends in a KO thats a dead cert. With Dings big punch and sound chin he could put Mac to sleep anywhere between 6-7 but remember Mac also has the equaliser.

But Ding has PROVEN he can take the big punches and then deliver his own. Maccinarelli, on the other hand, was stopped by some tomato can with a .500 record, and rocked multiple times by the mediocre Hobson. If Ding lands one of his concussive shots on that shaky chin, it will GOOD-NIGHt Maccinarelli.:yep

[dlogvine]

This myth that "all fighters are susceptible to being KO'd" is proven false by the many fighters who fight regularly at HW, but do NOT get KOd. The guys that get KOd clearly have, at a minimum, suspect chins. And if it happens more than once, you can be pretty sure you're talking CHINA. :nod
This is not a myth, every human has a limit for the amount of punishment they can take. And great fighters do not expose themselves to the powerpunches that can knock them out or just soften the impact of the punch. 'Glass jaw' fighters might not have as much stamina to withstand the blows and also just dont have the skills to avoid these punches.

[Rock0052]

We are close to a fight with someone now, but I wont mention him until its more concrete. If not, we are pushing for a fight with Adamek in an eliminator on an undercard of a cruiser title fight this fall. All he has to do is sign.:deal

That would be a hell of a fight if your other option fell through- dare I say, even a possible FOTY candidate the way it looks on paper. I'd love to see it :happy