Dwight Muhammad Qawi vs James Toney

[Quickhands21]

At Cruiserweight Who wins?

[JohnThomas1]

Qawi at his best beats Toney everytime IMO.

[CottoDaBodykill]

qwai dosn't beat toney... qwai is that come forward bob and weave slug style that toney loved to fight ...

ask jirov how good qwai would do

[Rebel-INS]

qwai dosn't beat toney... qwai is that come forward bob and weave slug style that toney loved to fight ...

ask jirov how good qwai would do

You act like Toney destroyed Jirov, who is no where near the level of Qawi.
Qawi any day for me.

[JohnThomas1]

qwai dosn't beat toney... qwai is that come forward bob and weave slug style that toney loved to fight ...

ask jirov how good qwai would do

Jirov is not a patch on Qawi. Qawi is probably Toney's defensive equal, hits harder if anything, is stronger and has a much better workrate. He is also the naturally bigger guy. I'd feel very comfortable putting some decent money on Qawi. Qawi will outwork him at the very least IMO.

[CottoDaBodykill]

not a big fan of qwai ..he has good wins over saad muhamid and a few others but always seemed to fail on the big stage ..

[JohnThomas1]

not a big fan of qwai ..he has good wins over saad muhamid and a few others but always seemed to fail on the big stage ..

Well yes and no. Spinks beat him but he's one of the greatest 3 175's in history IMO and losing well is hardly a bad thing. Qawi was well aged and above his best weight when losing to Holyfield too. These versions of Spinks and Holy would have whupped Toney.

[CottoDaBodykill]

the truth of the matter is ...is toney gonna stand up right and wait for qwai to dive in with his hooks like saad did?..no ... he isn't going to be there to be hit ..

the fact of the matter is ..toney went from 160-200 + and was still successful .. qwai not so much ... i'm not saying toney would wipe the floor with qwai and hell qwai might spark toney ...i just believe it'd be alot harder then you'd think

[JohnThomas1]

the truth of the matter is ...is toney gonna stand up right and wait for qwai to dive in with his hooks like saad did?..no ... he isn't going to be there to be hit ..

the fact of the matter is ..toney went from 160-200 + and was still successful .. qwai not so much ... i'm not saying toney would wipe the floor with qwai and hell qwai might spark toney ...i just believe it'd be alot harder then you'd think

Toney is sure not wiping the floor with him, he beat up much more dangerous fighters. Tho Toney went to heavy and fought effectively Qawi is still actually the more natural 175. IMO Toney is a bit of a lard arse, tho a fantastic fighter. He could have done so much more.

I'm not saying it's going to be easy either way. Of course Toney is far different stylistically to Saad, but Qawi has so much more than was needed vs Saad as well. For instance i get the feeling you think he is some sort of chug forward dive in fighter, but the man is actually a fantastic counterpuncher too, rolling with right hands brilliantly then launching his own counter right.

I am a huge fan of Qawi, i really think he was a fantastic fighter. Certainly no hater of Toney either.

[CottoDaBodykill]

yeah i watched the espn classics with qwai vs saad .. amazing what qwai did to him at just like 15-1 or 2 or whatever his record was ...he just kept rolling and lungeing till he broke saads nose .... dude was a beast .. a total tank

i guess that's what made the spinks fight so boring .. two counter punchers in their own rights .. you get too people that are better off when the opponet presses the fight ..your gonna get a qwai vs spinks type of fight

[JohnThomas1]

yeah i watched the espn classics with qwai vs saad .. amazing what qwai did to him at just like 15-1 or 2 or whatever his record was ...he just kept rolling and lungeing till he broke saads nose .... dude was a beast .. a total tank

i guess that's what made the spinks fight so boring .. two counter punchers in their own rights .. you get too people that are better off when the opponet presses the fight ..your gonna get a qwai vs spinks type of fight


Actually Eddie Futch conjured up his usual incredible strategy for Spinks when he faced Saad. Spinks with his power and enormous right hand didn't mind some serious action at 175 (Lopez etc) but Futch devised a super set of tactics including a major shelving of Spinks biggest weapon, his vaunted right hand. The reason being Qawi rolled with and countered a right hand like few ever have. Made for a bit of a tame fight but it sure was fantastic thinking and perfect execution.

Toney had plenty of problems with much lesser fighters and smaller men than Qawi. Obviously they all have their off nights but i still like Qawi no matter how good a Toney shows up.

[CottoDaBodykill]

and you have every right to believe that ...qwai could smoke !

[salsanchezfan]

............Qawi by decision. Toney's best weapon was his counter right; this counter right prompted Jones to fight him the way he did in '94, which was to not lead with the jab, because Toney would counter it over the top with the right. It was his bread and butter.

Now think about Qawi's best weapon, o perhaps better put, his best skill; the ability to roll under the counter right and counter it beautifully. This, of course, was why Spinks fought him the way he did, practically refusing to throw the right at all in their 15-rounds.

Qawi negates Toney's best weapon here and outworks him (and we all know the way to beat Toney is to get in his chest and work, which is exactly what Qawi's style was). Toney is the better fighter overall, but Qawi's style is a bad one for him.

[CottoDaBodykill]

it's dangerous to compair the jones fight with what qwai might do ..qwai and jones were two different animals...and you'd have to add in toneys excessive body work ... if its a toe to toe deal with countering i see toney landing lots of body shots

in an odd way ..i see this one going just like the mccalum fights ... only it'd go 2 for qwai and at least 1 for toney if not a draw ...but extreamly hard hard HARD tough fights to score ..with the body work and the countering

[JohnThomas1]

Toney is the better fighter overall, but Qawi's style is a bad one for him.

P4P maybe, but at 175 i think Qawi is deffo the better man.

[CottoDaBodykill]

yeah at 175 qawi takes it ... at cruiser? ...i dunno toney looked majorly good at cruiser...seemed like his perfect weight

[salsanchezfan]

yeah at 175 qawi takes it ... at cruiser? ...i dunno toney looked majorly good at cruiser...seemed like his perfect weight


............Sure, cruiser works too. Assuming it's the still-slippery Qawi we saw against Crous or Holy the first time.

[JohnThomas1]

it's dangerous to compair the jones fight with what qwai might do ..qwai and jones were two different animals...and you'd have to add in toneys excessive body work ... if its a toe to toe deal with countering i see toney landing lots of body shots

in an odd way ..i see this one going just like the mccalum fights ... only it'd go 2 for qwai and at least 1 for toney if not a draw ...but extreamly hard hard HARD tough fights to score ..with the body work and the countering

Qawi at 175 would be infinitely more difficult to fight than an old McCallum at 160 pounds.

[CottoDaBodykill]

no i just ment the styles ... they would mesh so it'd make it very hard to score the fight

[salsanchezfan]

it's dangerous to compair the jones fight with what qwai might do ..qwai and jones were two different animals...and you'd have to add in toneys excessive body work ... if its a toe to toe deal with countering i see toney landing lots of body shots

in an odd way ..i see this one going just like the mccalum fights ... only it'd go 2 for qwai and at least 1 for toney if not a draw ...but extreamly hard hard HARD tough fights to score ..with the body work and the countering


...............I'm not trying to draw any stylistic comparisons between Jones and Qawi, none at all really. Just trying to illustrate that when you take Toney's best weapon away, he's much less fearsome (as it would go for any fighter, I suppose). Qawi, though going about it a much different way, was also very adept at slipping the right; and in addition, with his strong, smothering style, had exactly the right style to negate Toney inside.

[CottoDaBodykill]

oh i understand then bra sorry about that !

[Sweet Pea]

Cottodabodykill once again showing he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. Keep that in the General Forum.

Since when did Toney feast on fighters like Qawi? He feasted on come-forward bangers, but not ones equally as slick as himself, with great counter-punching and defense, as well as better power, strength, and workrate.