Max Schmeling vs. Floyd Patterson

[dpw417]

15 rounds at heavyweight.

[ChrisPontius]

Schmeling was formidable against (semi)aggressive fighters without a too big punch, i think Patterson would be no exception. Schmeling by TKO or comfortable decision.

[OLD FOGEY]

Schmeling was formidable against (semi)aggressive fighters without a too big punch, i think Patterson would be no exception. Schmeling by TKO or comfortable decision.

This is about my view, except I think a decision would be close. Patterson's style often seems rather passive on film, with Floyd going a long time without throwing punches. That kind of style might actually give the counter-punching Schmeling problems and Floyd has a better jab. Patterson certainly has the weapons to win but to me he is something of an enigma and Schmeling generally got the most out of what he had, so I will take Schmeling.

[Joe E]

I'm going with Floyd in this one, suspect Chin and all. Better Jab, busier, underrated Left Hook, in with better People overall. Patterson UD 15.

[Russell]

Schemling didn't exactly have a ATG chin himself.

[El Matador]

At first I was tempted to pick Schmelling in an upset, but I just can't - he would have had problems timing Patterson (if Schmelling couldn't time his opponent, he would have a problem). Patterson was just too fast of hand and foot, he'd land combinations, push Schmelling off, and repeat for the duration of the bout. Schmelling might score a flash knockdown early (Patterson was always susceptable to flash knockdowns), but Patterson, as always, would get up and take a unanimous decision.

Patterson W15 Schmelling

[bumdujour]

not so sure here. patterson was more gifted, but his chin downright sucked.

schmelings right hand would land and it would put patterson on his ass.

got to go with schmeling.

[El Matador]

not so sure here. patterson was more gifted, but his chin downright sucked.

schmelings right hand would land and it would put patterson on his ass.

got to go with schmeling.
Patterson always got up.:D

Therefore, he would likely be knocked down early, but overall he would outland and outwork Schmelling, keep him off balance, and win a lopsided decision.

[Ted Spoon]

This would be a great fight to watch as both men would present countering problems to the other; Patterson would be prone for the right hand between his peek-a-boo defence, coming in and Schmeling would be vulnerable to the kind of speed and pressure Patterson could apply.

The defining point for Ted Spoon though is that Schmeling has the durability and cool head to negate and absorb Patterson's attack while working his evil way with the counter right hand.

Ingemar was not much of a technician, not bad, but Schmeling was better, and that's where Floyd would come unstuck. Floyd would win some exchanges with his speedy combinations but Schmeling's keen aim would help Patterson to a late round exit after a gusty effort and exciting fight.

[El Matador]

This would be a great fight to watch as both men would present countering problems to the other; Patterson would be prone for the right hand between his peek-a-boo defence, coming in and Schmeling would be vulnerable to the kind of speed and pressure Patterson could apply.

The defining point for Ted Spoon though is that Schmeling has the durability and cool head to negate and absorb Patterson's attack while working his evil way with the counter right hand.

Ingemar was not much of a technician, not bad, but Schmeling was better, and that's where Floyd would come unstuck. Floyd would win some exchanges with his speedy combinations but Schmeling's keen aim would help Patterson to a late round exit after a gusty effort and exciting fight.
Good analysis.:good

Very possible, but I still don't think Schmelling would be able to work himself in with Patterson's speed. Also, Schmelling was not as big a puncher as Ingo was.

[Ted Spoon]

Good analysis.:good

Very possible, but I still don't think Schmelling would be able to work himself in with Patterson's speed. Also, Schmelling was not as big a puncher as Ingo was.

That's fair enough, the fight is not B & W at all.

A key point lies in the story of Patterson - that being that while he was floored the most, he got up the most - it's possible he could gut this one out after getting stung - like he did many times.

Schmeling's right did not carry the weight of 'Ingo's Bingo' but it was better timed and caught you coming in. Ingemar pole-axed Floyd, Schmeling would look to sucker him into a similar demise.

The more likely options are a KO victory for Schmeling or a decison for Patterson. If Patterson is still there at the end then something has gone quite wrong for Schmeing and he has probably got the worst of the battle.

[Joe E]

Schmeling was all Right hand, and a counter puncher to boot. He had no Left Jab to speak of and no Left hook to speak of. Patterson was a more complete boxer, quicker fists, and better foot work. Schmeling would be hard pressed to defend himself with Floyds quick hands and counter Left Hooks. Floyd was also a good in fighter and heres another area where Floyds quick hands would dominate. Patterson 15rd. UD.

[janitor]

Schmeling was all Right hand, and a counter puncher to boot. He had no Left Jab to speak of and no Left hook to speak of.

Have to disagree here.

While Schmeling was fond of his right he could certainly use his left. He handily outpointed Paulino Uzcudun with his right hand broken in one of their encounters.

[Muchmoore]

Patterson wins this. He has the faster hands, more courage, and better overall skills.

[janitor]

more courage,

Schmeling wasnt afraid of his Sonny Liston.

He knocked him out.

[Muchmoore]

Schmeling wasnt afraid of his Sonny Liston.

He knocked him out.

I think it's safe to say had a peak Liston fought Schmeling instead of a green Louis, Schmeling would of been out early.

Also, Schmeling lost in the same round to his "Sonny Liston" that Patterson did in the rematch.

[Maxmomer]

more courage

Nope.

[Maxmomer]

This is probably the best match up that I've never thought of. Really interesting. I pick Schmeling, SD.

[Muchmoore]

Nope.

If Schmeling was Liston, than Patterson probably wouldn't have the heart edge here. Max isn't Liston, and against fighters like Ingo Patterson's fighting heart was on clear display. You could put him down, but keeping him down was another matter.

[Joe E]

Have to disagree here.

While Schmeling was fond of his right he could certainly use his left. He handily outpointed Paulino Uzcudun with his right hand broken in one of their encounters.Max had more of a pawing left then a quick striking one,used more to gauge distance and set up the Right it seems to me.

[Maxmomer]

If Schmeling was Liston, than Patterson probably wouldn't have the heart edge here. Max isn't Liston, and against fighters like Ingo Patterson's fighting heart was on clear display. You could put him down, but keeping him down was another matter.

Patterson had heart, yeah, I just don't think he had more than Schmeling. I'd give them both 9's.

[Muchmoore]

Patterson had heart, yeah, I just don't think he had more than Schmeling. I'd give them both 9's.

Fair enough. They're both warriors and I probably shouldn't have said Patteron had more heart.

[janitor]

[quote=Muchmoore]I think it's safe to say had a peak Liston fought Schmeling instead of a green Louis, Schmeling would of been out early.


I make no such asumption.

By the same logic Louis should have had him early.


Also, Schmeling lost in the same round to his "Sonny Liston" that Patterson did in the rematch.


Having previously avenged the loss.

My point is that in Louis I Schmeling was up against similar odds to Patterson in the Liston fight, perhaps worse, and he was thinking about Louis's guts as much as Louis was thinking about his.

Schmeling was a cool customer if nothing else.

[dpw417]

This is probably the best match up that I've never thought of. Really interesting. I pick Schmeling, SD.
Thanks Max.

[markedwardscott]

Schmeling was very clever with his right counters. Max by kayo.

[Holmes' Jab]

Schmeling: close UD.

[Ezzard]

Great match up... Schmeling by late KO or TKO... For all the reasons stated above.

IMO Schmeling is alos just a better fighter.

[werety]

I'm going with Patterson for reasons already stated. I feel schmeling would have a lot of trouble timing him to land consistently whereas patterson will land those speedy combinations. Of course this wont happen the entire fight but I see it as the general patter leading to a Patterson UD.

[papke26]

Thats a good contest schmeling had a terrific right cross and was very clever when looking to exploit the weakness of a opponent patterson had speed and a punch but lacked the punch resistance thats needed for a champion in the heavyweights. I would say that the big german would have a advantage because he would go in knowing that if he landed that would be it his confidence would be skyhigh. I think he would catch patterson around the 7th round and ko him but would have difficulty in the early stages finding a way to nail a man as fast as patterson.

[natonic]

Great matchup I'd never heard discussed before. Gotta go with Schmeling. Dude beat Joe Louis once!
I think it would be a very interesting/entertaining fight. Different eras, different styles. I think Patterson's style could give Schmeling problems, but I can't get past thinking Schmeling is a better version of Johannson. Mid to Late round Knockout.

[Minotauro]

Patterson via decision he'll beat Schmeling to the punch every time.

[janitor]

Patterson via decision he'll beat Schmeling to the punch every time.

That might not be a good thing if Schmeling is looking to counter you with a right hand.

Patterson would have to fight verry smart here because Schmeling knows how to counter with a right and knows how to slam you hard coming in.

While Schmelings right hand is not as dangerous as Johansens it is still prety dangerous.

If I were in Pattersons corner I would have concearns.