**Alex Arthur vs Kevin Mitchell - You really think the London boy could win?** [Archive]

Smith

06-21-2008, 11:27 AM

I've seen a few people in the boxing forum sounding off that Mitchell would 'destroy' Arthur.:lol:

Lets get this straight, and see the general consensus in the British forum.

For me, Kevin Mitchell at this stage would be in way over his head. When I watched Mitchell versus late replacement Edison Torres, I could not believe my eyes.

This little Venezulan who had lost his previous 7 matches before the bout with the 'cheeky' chap from london, mde Kevin miss his shots so much it hurt to watch. I would love to see the pucnh stats for that fight before the stoppage, Im guessing about 15% landed. Now if Mitchell can not land one simple combination against a fighter that quite frankly should not be in the sport, you have to worry.

Move on to the Johanssen fight, i'm not going to take that away from Kevin, that was a superb comeback. All credit to him. But he was losing that fight up until the round stoppage. But to be fair, i'l compare that fight to Arthurs showing against Foster junior.

Similiar level at present Junior and Johanssen. Make no mistake as has been said on here before though, Arthur did not struggle with Foster. After the first two rounds when he got used to the usual Manchester fighter style, he dominated and schooled Foster into jumping about like a hurt rabbit. The knockdown was extremely stupid of Alex, should not have happened, but it did. He still got up and won. I truly believe he does lack concentration when it is a a fight against such an opponent. Something he will have to sort out asap.

If a Mitchell fight were to happen, Arthur would win it well in my opinion and that should be your opinion too. Kevin would not be able to deal with Arthurs arsenal of punches and neat combos. Kevin would be on the backfoot for most of the fight, but he may have a one or two rounds where he can pressure Arthur into making mistakes, but this would have no effect on the outcome.

You better believe Arthur would be fired up for this one. There would be no lapses of concentration here.

FINAL RESULT

Alex Arthur TKO9 Kevin Mitchell.

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Vote in the poll and actually comment on why you think Kevin would win if you choose him which some will. (I forsee right now the major attribute people will mention for Kevin is 'heart'...................:roll:. I can se it now, someone mentioning the Gomez fight, same old washed up arguments)

Betty Swollocks

06-21-2008, 11:31 AM

I'm not a fan of Arthur and am fully aware of his limitations, like being slow as fuck and too vein, but i'd pick him to beat Mitchell any day of the week. I have never seen what the fuss is about with Mitchell.

Smith

06-21-2008, 11:34 AM

Shock poster Haye picks Mitchell without commenting.

Boys a prick and a troll.

John18

06-21-2008, 11:34 AM

I think Arthur is better than his last few fights have shown.

A fired up Arthur who actually starts in the 1st round rather than the 4th has way too much for Mitchell at this stage.

Arthur is genuine euro class/fringe world class.

GazOC

06-21-2008, 11:36 AM

Arthur by decision or possibly late KO (though Mitchell does seem to have a decent chin).

Smith

06-21-2008, 11:39 AM

John18

06-21-2008, 11:45 AM

Mitchell does have a good chin, but Arthur can hit and is accurate.

I'd imagine he'd wear him down and stop him from the 9th onwards.

toffeejack

06-21-2008, 11:48 AM

I believe Kevin Mitchell would stop Arthur late on around 9 or 10.

I also believe Alex Athur is one of the most overrated british fighters in years.

Betty Swollocks

06-21-2008, 11:51 AM

I believe Kevin Mitchell would stop Arthur late on around 9 or 10.

I also believe Alex Athur is one of the most overrated british fighters in years.

overrated by who? What level do you place him at then? Considering nobody things he's one of the top dogs in the division.
and what has Mitchell done??? besides being made to look bad in his last couple and didn't handle Henry James too well.

rydersonthestorm

06-21-2008, 11:55 AM

I think arthur would beat mitchell in what would be abit of a war but he would beat him by maybe 3-4 rounds on the score cards.

TFFP

06-21-2008, 11:56 AM

This is actually a very good matchup, I'd love to see it

Arthur is the more rounded fighter, pretty good offensively and even better than Mitchell defensively, which is saying something about Mitchell's defence. However, the intangibles in this fight are weight (and maybe as a result) chin

Arthur looks like he struggles to me, and his chin ain't the best. Mitchell can definitely hurt him like Foster, and although Arthur would be the biggest puncher he faced he PERHAPS has the chin and heart to last long enough to land some effective work

Favour Arthur overall, but I wouldn't mind laying some down on Mitchell if the odds were favourable

Smith

06-21-2008, 12:04 PM

I also believe Alex Athur is one of the most overrated british fighters in years.Has something in common with the guy in the left of your avatar then eh.

toffeejack

06-21-2008, 12:04 PM

overrated by who? What level do you place him at then? Considering nobody things he's one of the top dogs in the division.
and what has Mitchell done??? besides being made to look bad in his last couple and didn't handle Henry James too well.

Well before Mitchell came on the scene he was the only British psopect in that division who was being touted as potential world champion.

After watching him over the years he's European level at best I don't think he will ever reach world class now.

While Mitchell does have his flaws (mainly defensively) he is the bigger talent and the better overall boxer in my opinion and still has his best to come. Two big things he has going for him are power and his chin that's for certain.

toffeejack

06-21-2008, 12:05 PM

Has something in common with the guy in the left of your avatar then eh.

Maybe Ricky Hatton has been overrated by a lot of people I agree :good

dwilson

06-21-2008, 12:13 PM

Arthur would stop Mitchell by mid to late fight. I think Mitchell would have the best of the first couple of rounds but then the better work of Alex would come through with Arthur forcing a stoppage by round 9.

Arthur has proven himself to be better than European class and deserves a top ten place at the weight. I think that Arthur will struggle to keep his belt if any of the real class guys come calling but it will take someone special to take his belt from him and the opponent will know they have been in an hard fight.

Mitchell is no way near even being Euro level yet. At the moment the two Brits are very far apart and I can not see Mitchell ever getting good enough to gain true top 10 recognition. Mitchell needs a few more fights at the level he is at now and maby then a Euro title fight or two, if he comes through that then I will give him his dues but by then I expect Arthur to be long gone.

The only reason this fight could happen is because of ****** and the Wank BO.

Smith

06-21-2008, 12:24 PM

Good post dwilson, same as my pick too, round 9.

dwilson

06-21-2008, 12:31 PM

Good post dwilson, same as my pick too, round 9.

Mitchell is a tough kid and has good quality when on the attack but Arthur seems better all round plus the fact that Mitchell is still having hard fights against mediocre opposition means that he needs alot more work before title fights. Having said that Arthur struggled at times against Foster Jr (?). I would like to see Mitchell vs Foster Jr and maybe Mitchell vs Derry Matthews if Derry moves up.

Smith

06-21-2008, 12:45 PM

Mitchell is a tough kid and has good quality when on the attack but Arthur seems better all round plus the fact that Mitchell is still having hard fights against mediocre opposition means that he needs alot more work before title fights. Having said that Arthur struggled at times against Foster Jr (?). I would like to see Mitchell vs Foster Jr and maybe Mitchell vs Derry Matthews if Derry moves up.True.

For me, Mitchell is a schooling waiting to happen. I like him fighting Foster, give us an idea of where he is at, plus Foster is no slouch, good fighter in the new weight.

Presuming Arthur gets out of his first defence and Mitchell beats Foster then a fight between the two would be a great crowd puller.

dwilson

06-21-2008, 12:52 PM

True.

For me, Mitchell is a schooling waiting to happen. I like him fighting Foster, give us an idea of where he is at, plus Foster is no slouch, good fighter in the new weight.

Presuming Arthur gets out of his first defence and Mitchell beats Foster then a fight between the two would be a great crowd puller.

Yep ****** will make this fight. Arthur will be given a couple of decent opponents but kept away from the real dangers of the division and Mitchell will be given a couple of ok opponents. I still feel Arthur wins even if it happens four or five fights down the line.

I hope for Mitchells sake that he gets plently of good experience and improves his defence before making a step up to world class.

Fat Joe

06-21-2008, 01:30 PM

I've seen AAA fight live and I am no big fan of his, but after watching Mitchell-Johannsen I'd pick Arthur by stoppage late on. I thought Mitchell was in serious trouble against Johannsen (I forget the round) and I think Arthur could take him there as well, but finish the job.

chesh

06-21-2008, 01:48 PM

Mitchell by late stoppage. Neither fighter is truly world class, but Mitchell is younger, considerably faster and has the better chin.

FLINT ISLAND

06-21-2008, 01:55 PM

Go for Mitchell

Its a battle of British / European level fighters.

got to give Mitchell the benefit of the doubt cos he came through as Johansan and that was a serious test

meanwhile Arthur came to pieces against Gomez and nearly came apart against Steve Foster Jnr

Arthur to fall apart in a war

Mitchell TKO 9

FLINT ISLAND

06-21-2008, 01:58 PM

nufc16

06-21-2008, 02:02 PM

hard to really gauge arthurs true ability as he has seemingly gone backwards in his last 3 or 4 fights. For me arthur peaked in the sinitsin win, when i thought he looked like a top euro/fringe world class fighter at that point.

Since then he's struggled to really impress. Could be that he's lacked motivation as it looked like he was ready to really push on for a world title shot, yet has been fed on sub euro standard fighters since then. Could also be the struggle to make the weight.

I think mitchell is in the same boat as far as stagnating is concerned. he finally got a big fight against Johanneson, and he struggled badly at times, showing how badly ****** had managed his progression up in the calibre of fighters he was facing, but you've got to give him credit for his ability to comeback from the brink of defeat though, much like arthur did against foster jr, (though i personally think Johanneson is a notch or two above foster jr).

Mitchell has certainly proved he's got a chin, he took everything Johanneson had, who i'd put on about the same level power wise as arthur, and came back to KO him, but he really cant keep using that as his first line of defence. he defintely has the edge over arthur in this department, probably the only one he has shown to have an edge over arthur in.

think mitchell needs a few more euro level fights before any arthur clash is contemplated, but by that time arthur himself will have probably moved up in weight, so it could well be a case of now or never.

i'd go with arthur UD as i said, as i dont think he'd stand and trade with mitchell, who, while his power is overplayed, can still bang, and could put arthur in trouble in a toe to toe battle, so i can see arthur playing it safe and coasting to a fairly comfy points win.

elle

06-21-2008, 02:04 PM

I think Mitchell would be a very live challenger for Arthur.

I wasn't particularly impressed with Arthur's last performance against Foster - seemed lethargic in the opening rounds, suffered the late knockdown, etc.

Overall I would favour Arthur to win - on points as I think Mitchell can take a punch (although he takes too many!) and seems to have a decent chin.

However, if a gritty domestic level fighter who was coming up in weight (Foster) can give Arthur problems Mitchell could too so I wouldn't be entirely surprised if he pulled off an upset and Arthur suffered a shock defeat.

Betty Swollocks

06-21-2008, 02:13 PM

John18

06-21-2008, 02:20 PM

Doyley10

06-21-2008, 02:30 PM

I want Kevin to do well as his sister is a mate of mine (yes, the one who makes all the noise at ringside. She's a lovely girl really though) and I think he'd have a very decent chance against Arthur. If I had to bet, I'd give AAA the edge at this point (despite going for Kevin in the poll;-) as Kevin seems to have forgotten that getting hit in the head is generally considered a bad thing in pugilistic circles. However, AAA has had a few off nights and if he fought like he did against Gomez or Foster, Kevin could KO him. I think the fact that nobody has said "XXX will absolutely kill YYY in this thread indicates that it's a fight we'd probably all like to see and that it would be very competetive. Although I wouldn't want to sit next to Cheryl....

GazOC

06-21-2008, 03:11 PM

THATS his sister is it? She sounds a right handful!!!:lol:

Doyley10

06-21-2008, 03:19 PM

THATS his sister is it? She sounds a right handful!!!:lol:

Kevin's mum and his Mrs are usually there and making a fair racket too, but Cheryl is the one you can usually hear. They're all really nice people, just get a bit carried away when their bloke/son/brother is using his face a a guard. Wouldn't you?:D

GazOC

06-21-2008, 03:25 PM

Oh yeah of course, it wasn't a criticism at all....still funny though eh?:D

Doyley10

06-21-2008, 03:30 PM

Oh yeah of course, it wasn't a criticism at all....still funny though eh?:D

I wasn't having a pop, just pointing out that they're good eggs, as they've copped a bit of flack on here from time to time. Particularly hilarious was when one of the commentators pointed out Kevin's "mum" at ringside, when it was in fact Cheryl, his sister. Dear Chezza did not find it all that funny though...

GazOC

06-21-2008, 03:35 PM

No worries. I saw an interview with Mitchell before the Johannsen fight and he comes across as a decent lad, his ambition was retire and run a pie and mash shop!! No airs and graces there.....

Ilesey

06-21-2008, 04:35 PM

Arthur has the beating of Mitchell. If they were to fight I reckon he'd hand Mitchell a painful stoppage loss.

TIGEREDGE

06-21-2008, 05:39 PM

kevin is too undisciplined. he nearly punched himself out against johanssen. when he learns to setle down more, he could beat arthur

Dunky McCafferty

06-21-2008, 10:11 PM

thing is cos Scotland has not got any real class fighters to talk about they all get behind a average one when he is only half decent - cos its their only hope of a World Champion.

Scott Harrison was their best Champion of recent times - but what a disgrace he turned out to be.

Scotland has no real good fighters.

While Wales has got Joe Calzaghe.

Joe Calzaghe is english, just incase you hadnt noticed.

Say what you want, but there is no getting away from it. Joe Calzaghe was born in England. The capital of England. LONDON. Hes a Londoner. Scott harrison & Alex Arthur might be many things to many people, but at least they are real scotsmen.

The same cannot be said of Joe Calzaghe, who even boasted of his englishness before the Robin Reid fight.

Our fighters might be disgraces, but at leat they are ours. Same cant be said about a certain Joe Calzaghe, can it? Sorry to the better welsh posters here, but when a welshman attacks Scotland & our fighters, I have to fight fire with fire.

Its the law of the jungle & I make no excuses. Im a bastard you see, & proud of it:smoke

Dunky McCafferty

06-22-2008, 03:31 AM

As for the close voting on this thread? It doesnt surprise me as most englanders would never pick a scot to beat an englander. Englanders are masters of misplaced arrogance. Just ask the posters who are covering up for Khan at this very moment;)

Anyway, Arthur looks dead at the weight, Mitchell just looks awful at the weight. Even on Scott Harrisons worst night, he battered Estrada. Mitchell though had to rely on a lucky punch to see him through.

Dont get me started on Arthur though, Im raging with him at the moment:twisted: I championed his quest for greatness here, & then when Guzman pulled out Arthur has reverted to his 'billy big bollocks' talk, & I get the feeling him & ****** jobbed Guzman of his title.

Hurts me to say it, but when Guzman lost his title, Arthur said he was "delighted & I felt I was the real champ anyway when I beat Gogoladze" & that killed me. Did Alex & ****** job the dominican? I think they did.
So for the people who attack me for being biased towards Scottish fighters, what you say now? I just tell it like it is. Khan looks like hes a fake, & Arthur looks like hes conned Guzman, with Frank ******s help of course, the same Frank ****** who helped rid kevin McIntryre of his british title...

Anyway, sorry for going on. I have a lot on my mind at the moment! Will Arthur fight a good oppionent, will Khan be nothing more than a shooting star, will Kevin McIntyre get a rightful shot back at his british title he was robbed of?

My boxing brain is bursting at the moment.

Strike

06-22-2008, 04:26 AM

As for the close voting on this thread? It doesnt surprise me as most englanders would never pick a scot to beat an englander. Englanders are masters of misplaced arrogance.

More English guys have voted for Arthur than Mitchell.

Max Molyneux

06-22-2008, 04:49 AM

Arthur wins most likely but Mitchell could always score a knockdown If Foster Jr could.

kurt2006

06-22-2008, 04:52 AM

Easy win for Mitchell. Don't understand why some people think AAA is some super duper fighter.

Beatboxer

06-22-2008, 05:07 AM

I like both guy's, I used to champion Kevin Mitchell as the man to de-rail the Amir Khan express before it even left the station in 2005 but I realise how silly that was in hindsight...such thought's were more indicative of what I thought about Khan rather than Mitchell...

As other's have pointed out, Mitchell has many, many flaw's. Whilst he is tough and has great heart (which he showed in his last exciting bout with CJ) he is nonetheless easy to hit and wholly predictable in term's of offence in my opinion....

AAA, contrary to what many think, is a cut above. He is fringe World Class, European level and has proven as such since his loss to Michael Gomez. He's hugely underrated on these board's although that might change amongst the fairweather fan's now that he has a World Title strapped around his waist...

I think AAA would have a couple of hairy moment's probably after a slow start but would gradually work his way into the fight, taking over in the mid round's en route to a late stoppage.

The intriguing thing about this fight is that is very likely to happen and could be big if both men are brought along properly over the next year or so.

toffeejack

06-22-2008, 05:17 AM

Joe Calzaghe is english, just incase you hadnt noticed.

Say what you want, but there is no getting away from it. Joe Calzaghe was born in England. The capital of England. LONDON. Hes a Londoner. Scott harrison & Alex Arthur might be many things to many people, but at least they are real scotsmen.

The same cannot be said of Joe Calzaghe, who even boasted of his englishness before the Robin Reid fight.

Our fighters might be disgraces, but at leat they are ours. Same cant be said about a certain Joe Calzaghe, can it? Sorry to the better welsh posters here, but when a welshman attacks Scotland & our fighters, I have to fight fire with fire.

Its the law of the jungle & I make no excuses. Im a bastard you see, & proud of it:smoke

:lol:

Just because he had the misfortune of his parents being in the London area at the time of his birth doesn't make him English you fool.

I know a friend who was born premature in Spain when his parents went on holiday so is he a spaniard now?

Calzaghe is a proud Welsh/Italian with Welsh blood from his mother and Italian from his father and has lived in Wales all his life.

NO English blood in him at all Calzaghe is WELSH. End of. :good

Beatboxer

06-22-2008, 05:21 AM

:lol:

Just because he had the misfortune of his parents being in the London area at the time of his birth doesn't make him English you fool.

I know a friend who was born premature in Spain when his parents went on holiday so is he a spaniard now?

Calzaghe is a proud Welsh/Italian with Welsh blood from his mother and Italian from his father and has lived in Wales all his life.

NO English blood in him at all Calzaghe is WELSH. End of. :good

They were living in England at the time actually...

Beside's, whilst I see why Dunky used that (and quite justly too), Calzaghe is for me, Welsh. As you said, Welsh blood and he spent such a short amount of time living there in comparison to Wale's that it hardly seem's fair to refer to him as 'English'.

If Calzaghe is, so is Perrotta and Paul McGrath too.

Imperfect Recor

06-22-2008, 05:48 AM

I'm 100% Scottish but like many Scots am not racially pure (dad was Welsh and mother of Ulster/Scots extract); however, I'd always refer to myself as Scottish as I was born and brought up here. To be honest, unlike others who love to cling on to links to the "old country" etc, I don't feel anything other than Scottish... and very proud of it I am too. Calzaghe is clearly Welsh - it's his (adopted) country and it has moulded hime into the person he is now - accent, mindset, mannerisms etc. The same can be said of his dad and many people who cross borders to get on with their lives. As a further example, the same could be said of Khan, and it's interesting to see how commentators walk the PC tightrope. (He's English before anyone asks... end of story. IMHO.)

In terms of the Alex Arthur debate, I'm with Dunky in much of what he says and hate to see promoters up to their underhand ways. The Kevin McIntyre stripping was frankly a disgrace; especially given that he had defended it reasonably recently and had produced medical evidence to show that he was unable to defend his title. Would a more senior champion have received such treatment... say a big household name? Think not, plus this promoter probably wouldn't have allowed it! (I even resisted the temptation to say a big English household name who would invariably have been promoted by Mr Hall of Fame!)

For what it's worth and I know I'm going slightly off-topic here, Craig McEwan has done the right thing and moved abroad to learn his craft. Even if he doesn't make it - and I for one think he's a reasonable chance of climbing the rankings in a good division, what an experience. Certainly beats a few fights back home and then having to find a job if your career doesn't take off. Good luck m8t.

Funny also to see that the Scottish press takes no notice of a kid who is doing it his way - arguably the hard way - and making a successful job of it. Not many Scots kids get the chance to go Stateside and work with Freddie Roach. In Scotland we must have the most negative press in the business - look at how they've pounced on all of Harrison's flaws and many others before him. It amazes me how there's no interest in the national media.

D-MAC

06-22-2008, 06:25 AM

Arthur is a level or two above Mitchell.

He should be able to stop him in the later rounds.

FLINT ISLAND

06-22-2008, 06:58 PM

Fat Joe

06-22-2008, 07:00 PM

Go to bed Flinty, there's a good girl

Dunky McCafferty

06-22-2008, 09:59 PM

:lol:

Just because he had the misfortune of his parents being in the London area at the time of his birth doesn't make him English you fool.

Who cares about your spanish friend.

Joe Calzaghe was born in England, so hes english. End of. When you welshies run down the scots here, you have to expect a certain Mr McCafferty to come bck with all guns blazing.

I didnt start the mud slinging, our man Flint did. He should have educated himself before he tried to use Joe Calzaghe as a stick to beat Scotland with. I fight dirty you see:smoke

& Calzaghe did refer to himself as a Londoner before the Reid fight. he did. he did. he did. Theres no getting away from it.

Dont shoot the messenger...

Fat Joe

06-22-2008, 10:01 PM

The Zagster is Scicilian

Dunky McCafferty

06-22-2008, 10:16 PM

The Zagster is Scicilian

:lol:

When joe is in the USA, hes an italian dragon. When Joe is in England, hes a Hammersmith boy. When Joes in Wales, hes the pride of Wales.

I think Joe should be called Joe Calzaghe, the plastic tally. It ryhmes too;)

Dunky McCafferty

06-22-2008, 10:21 PM

well said - the guys a idiot cultching at straws trying to discredit Wales has a top fighter in Calzaghe

Who said I was "trying to discredit Wales"???

It was you who tried to discredit Scotland & scottish boxing fans, I just pointed out to you that Joe Calzaghe isnt actually welsh.

Please, dont tell lies about me & make me out to be the bad guy just cos your argument wasnt thought out properly.

Fat Joe

06-22-2008, 10:24 PM

Dunky McCafferty

06-22-2008, 10:26 PM

Flinty was with me when we watched AAA labour to victory on a macoroni undercard.

Was he? Well that changes everything!

Fat Joe

06-22-2008, 10:30 PM

Was he? Well that changes everything!

:rofl

Dunky McCafferty

06-22-2008, 10:48 PM

More English guys have voted for Arthur than Mitchell.

Its horribly close though Strike. & back in my Scoty days I had to deal with the englanders here telling me Nicky Cook AND Esham pickering would beat Harrison handily, & thats why I have the opinion I do. Look at those two when they stepped up in class, they were brutally exposed. I had to listen to many posters telling me though that these two guys would beat Scotty, & it irritated me no end. Their only reasoning was cos Cook & Pickering were good english lads, & they would put the jock in his place. I see glaring similarities with the Arthur-Mitchell talk. If mitchell wasnt english, would anyone fncy him to beat Arthur? I doubt it. I may be wrong, but I always get the feeling that scottish fighters are written off by many englanders on here for that simple reason. national bias & english arrogance. Just stating my mind.

It was just like the majority of posters here wouldnt give Harrison an ounce of credit as a champion, & the same thing is happening with Alex Arthur. OK, so Arthur lost to Gomez, but since then hes racked up some good names on his record. To say a struggling Kevin Mitchell would just turn up & KO Arthur? I dont see the reasoning. look at the resumes. Arthur has a couple of good wins over european champions, Mitchell struggled to beat an old Estrada.

It just doesnt compute that Mitchell would walk through Arthur, thats just simply national bias talking for the many who have picked Mitchell to KO Arthur.

In my opinion of course.

Fat Joe

06-22-2008, 10:53 PM

If you look back at this thread Dunky you will see that I pick Arthur to school Mitchell. However I believe that Harrison is cut from a different cloth than AAA - far superior.

Dunky McCafferty

06-23-2008, 12:41 AM

Its 20-15 so far in favour of Arthur, yet Mitchell has looked terrible againt Carl & Walter.

The votes should be much wider than this in favour of Arthur. Think about it. The brits here love talking about 'levels' & Arthur has proven himself at european level, whilst Mitchell has had life & death struggles against domestic men & old Scotty victims.

Listen to me. For once in your lives.

dan-b

06-23-2008, 02:31 AM

It was just like the majority of posters here wouldnt give Harrison an ounce of credit as a champion, & the same thing is happening with Alex Arthur.

Both are good fighters, neither are champions.

FLINT ISLAND

06-23-2008, 04:21 AM

Who said I was "trying to discredit Wales"???

It was you who tried to discredit Scotland & scottish boxing fans, I just pointed out to you that Joe Calzaghe isnt actually welsh.

Please, dont tell lies about me & make me out to be the bad guy just cos your argument wasnt thought out properly.

you can play word games all you like - no you didnt actually say were trying to discredit wales

but I believe that is what you were implying

you are a discrediter

you even tried to discredit my

MARIO - THE ITALIAN STALLONE

thread in the lounge

it was my thread and nothing to do with you

your fellow Scot Smith also tried to discredit Colin Jones as a world class fighter - once again trying to discredit Wales

As a result I will discredit Scotland - crap country

robpalmer135

06-23-2008, 04:54 AM

watch Arthurs last fight. arthur is so tight at the weight that Mitchell could hurt him bad.

Doyley10

06-23-2008, 06:25 AM

Perhaps someone should start a new thread as this one has blown off course. How about "Who's got the biggest chip. Sweatys or Trogs?" ;-)

Smith

06-23-2008, 12:45 PM

Meh

dukestreet

06-23-2008, 03:21 PM

arthur stops him late

DON1

06-25-2008, 07:02 AM

It seems as if Mitchell is going backwards. He looking quite tidy a couple of years back but he looks all over the place recently. I watched this guy closely in his last fight and it was a really shit performance. He may have beaten Johanneson but I think the fight took alot out of him, he is a domestic level fighter. Arthur isn't great but he will have too many tools in his locker for the one dimensional, east end slugger. Mitchell's defense is woeful.

Dunky McCafferty

06-28-2008, 11:20 PM

[quote=FLINT ISLAND]you can play word games all you like - no you didnt actually say were trying to discredit wales

but I believe that is what you were implying

you are a discrediter

you even tried to discredit my

MARIO - THE ITALIAN STALLONE

thread in the lounge

it was my thread and nothing to do with you

Who is playing 'word games'???? I dont play word games, I just deal in facts.

& as for you thinking that I even class you as in my league as a poster & feel the need to discredit your welsh ass?

Look at me Flint. Now look at you. P4P on ESB, you aint in my league. So before you mention my scottish name in the same sentence as your welsh name, do yourself a favour & build some respect here before talking to me like we are on the same level.

Respect is earned, remember that. Im always one step ahead.