View Full Version : Khan - Taking his own medicine
Fat Joe
06-22-2008, 07:48 PM
Apologies I am monumentally pissed, and I am expending a lot of effort on my spelling.
How far could Amir Khan go if he could take what he dished out?
Fat Joe
06-22-2008, 07:49 PM
Alm the4 way
Rebel-INS
06-22-2008, 08:04 PM
If his chin was good, he could easily win world titles.
I just think that when he steps up he'll get stopped by a World class operator with a half decent punch.
GazOC
06-22-2008, 09:01 PM
A LOT further than he is going to go....
Rebel-INS
06-22-2008, 09:54 PM
For me though its his defence that's the major problem. A lot of fighters with weak chins go far because of very good defence.
Fat Joe
06-22-2008, 09:58 PM
For me though its his defence that's the major problem. A lot of fighters with weak chins go far because of very good defence.
Name one
saintsmike
06-22-2008, 10:01 PM
For me though its his defence that's the major problem. A lot of fighters with weak chins go far because of very good defence
Lennox Lewis
Roy Jones Junior
David Haye (more so because of his power)
GazOC
06-22-2008, 10:20 PM
For me though its his defence that's the major problem. A lot of fighters with weak chins go far because of very good defence.
Not many.......any?
GazOC
06-22-2008, 10:23 PM
For me though its his defence that's the major problem. A lot of fighters with weak chins go far because of very good defence
Lennox Lewis
Roy Jones Junior
David Haye (more so because of his power)
LL didn't have a weak chin, Jones maybe and time will tell about Haye.
Fat Joe
06-22-2008, 10:26 PM
For me though its his defence that's the major problem. A lot of fighters with weak chins go far because of very good defence
Lennox Lewis
Roy Jones Junior
David Haye (more so because of his power)
Can U C a shot Michael Gomez calibre fighter landing anything significant on these 3?
Dunky McCafferty
06-23-2008, 12:50 AM
For me though its his defence that's the major problem. A lot of fighters with weak chins go far because of very good defence
Lennox Lewis
Roy Jones Junior
David Haye (more so because of his power)
Your only error is to mistake blindingly fast handspeed for a good defence.
Khan & haye dont rely on defensive skills to win them fights, they rely on their freakish handspeed.
& its strange to see two fighters from south of the border having the same great leveller like Haye & Khan, very strange in fact.
dan-b
06-23-2008, 02:11 AM
Lennox Lewis didn't have a weak chin. Watch the Mercer fight.
Claypole
06-23-2008, 03:04 AM
Lennox Lewis didn't have a weak chin. Watch the Mercer fight.Exactly. A weak chin at heavyweight will seriously hold you back, look at Audley. As for khan taking his own medicine, he has trouble with half arsed single shots. He has not even been in with an opponent capaple of landing a combination of punches.
robpalmer135
06-23-2008, 04:57 AM
I dont think Khan has a weak chin either. and his punch resistence should improve over time. That shot from gomez would have KO'd him 5 fights ago.
its not his chin, its his defence, he s open to big left and right hooks. even if a feather fisted fighter hits you in the right spot you will go down.
Beeston Brawler
06-23-2008, 06:32 AM
I think Khan has an average chin, but his defence is shocking. If someone like Manny Pacquiao lands one of those big ones on him it would be all over.
If he had a good chin and better defence he could go a long way. Defence can be improved, but chins can't.
Lennox Lewis had a good chin, no more and no less - but used his defensive skills to beat one punch KO artists. Khan wouldn't be able to do that.
kurt2006
06-23-2008, 06:40 AM
I dont think Khan has a weak chin either. and his punch resistence should improve over time. That shot from gomez would have KO'd him 5 fights ago.
its not his chin, its his defence, he s open to big left and right hooks. even if a feather fisted fighter hits you in the right spot you will go down.
How will his punch resistance improve ?
He will go up in weight and those lads hit even harder. If he can't take shots from guys who are not even fully fledged LW's how will he copy with punches from boxers with a lot more power ?
It is his chin but his lack of defense makes the problem worse.
antcull
06-23-2008, 07:11 AM
You dont go 12 rounds with David Tua and have a weak chin.
Beatboxer
06-23-2008, 07:15 AM
Lennox Lewis didn't have a weak chin. Watch the Mercer fight.
He had an average jaw: stunned by Briggs and sparked by McCall and Rahman with one shot...can't see the latter happening to Ali, Tyson, Foreman or Holmes...
That being said, he took some big bombs from Tua, Tyson(in the first round) and Mercer to name but a few and remained up right...
I've never went along with the view that he has a glass jaw...but it sure as hell wasn't granite.
An average jaw for me.
Benjiabc
06-23-2008, 08:03 AM
I dont think Khan has a weak chin either. and his punch resistence should improve over time. That shot from gomez would have KO'd him 5 fights ago.
its not his chin, its his defence, he s open to big left and right hooks. even if a feather fisted fighter hits you in the right spot you will go down.
exactly
Akxtinguish
06-23-2008, 08:14 AM
Getting hit doesn't mean you have a weak chin.
Getting hit hard and coming back to win definitely doesn't mean you've got a weak chin.
Khan getting knocked down by two guys who mainly competed in a weight division lower - one a light hitter (Limond) and the other past his prime (Gomez) indicates a weak chin.
Beeston Brawler
06-23-2008, 08:53 AM
I think he has an average chin - probably one of a featherweight really.
Basically, if he is serious about becoming a three weight world champion you shouldn't be getting decked twice in eighteen fights, against what are undoubtedly handpicked opponents.
PaddyD1983
06-23-2008, 09:05 AM
I dont think Khan has a weak chin either. and his punch resistence should improve over time. That shot from gomez would have KO'd him 5 fights ago.
its not his chin, its his defence, he s open to big left and right hooks. even if a feather fisted fighter hits you in the right spot you will go down.
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I agree entirely with this. Khan should not be getting caught with the type of shot that Gomez landed. Hopefully a top american trainer can improve his defence and as such let Khan realise the potential that he has.
At the moment though, with his defence the way it is, Khan would be stopped by any top 10 LW
mountaintrekk
06-23-2008, 09:45 AM
Khan's chin and punch resistance will improve as he grows older. Facial bones (and all) get harder and sturdier with age. Bones keep getting stronger well into the 30s and Khan is just 21. Also the more he gets hit, the stronger his chin will become as long as the punches don't damage his jaws and cheek bones. Regular sessions of controlled punching around his face by a light hitter during sparring/practises will also improve his chin.
That said Khan's defence is his biggest woes. Without reliable defence skills to match every styles of boxing, he has no chance of surviving against the big hitters. He also needs some psychological training on how to react after being hit and hurt. He gets clueless once he gets hit. He needs to learn to quickly adjust himself after getting a hard blow. Got to learn the art of clinching, throwing harder punches during clinches, limiting wasteful slaps. Got to strengthen his legs as well.
So many flaws but most of them could be overcome with a disciplined and tough training regime. Khan thinks he does the best preparation with what is given to him. But there are so many things he could add to his training sessions.
dan-b
06-23-2008, 02:59 PM
He had an average jaw: stunned by Briggs and sparked by McCall and Rahman with one shot...can't see the latter happening to Ali, Tyson, Foreman or Holmes...
That being said, he took some big bombs from Tua, Tyson(in the first round) and Mercer to name but a few and remained up right...
I've never went along with the view that he has a glass jaw...but it sure as hell wasn't granite.
An average jaw for me.
It's a difficult one. Lewis showed he had good punch resistance on many occasions. The Rahman & McCall fights were just two massive bombs & to be fair he was up against McCall & should have been allowed to continue considering it was a world title fight.
Lewis's chin was good at worst. You don't take bombs from Tyson, Tua and even Vitali with a weak chin. It never fails to amaze me people don't realise that. Lewis got hit more than people think.
Akxtinguish
06-23-2008, 03:29 PM
Khan getting knocked down by two guys who mainly competed in a weight division lower - one a light hitter (Limond) and the other past his prime (Gomez) indicates a weak chin.
The Gomez punch was mainly due to his clumsy defence, which is what, as everyone correctly suggests, he should really work hard on. It was a strong, clean hit and most would at least get shook if not taken down, like Khan was.
kungfu
06-23-2008, 03:53 PM
I completely disagree about him having a totally glass chin it was a fair old shot gomez caught him with!!!, i think khans problem is that he simply doesnt expect to be getting caught flush and is not ready for the shot, and as we know the shots you arent expecting seem to hurt the most and can cause a KD so its his defense thats at fault imo. A previous poster got it spot on that even a feather fisted opponent can deck you if the shot is timed right. And wtf is feather fisted anyway, i seriously doubt theres many pro boxers about that cant dig when they need to. And lets face it, khans opponents are probably more fired up than their previous fights at the opportunity of being the 1st to crush his dreams.
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I agree entirely with this. Khan should not be getting caught with the type of shot that Gomez landed. Hopefully a top american trainer can improve his defence and as such let Khan realise the potential that he has.
At the moment though, with his defence the way it is, Khan would be stopped by any top 10 LW
why does it require a top american trainer to teach khan such basics?
i'm turning cold on the idea of khan getting an american trainer unless he bases himself out there which i don't think he'll do. he needs someone he can work with on a near-daily basis.
i won't be suprised if he sticks with powell
riot187
06-23-2008, 04:01 PM
He had an average jaw: stunned by Briggs and sparked by McCall and Rahman with one shot...can't see the latter happening to Ali, Tyson, Foreman or Holmes...
That being said, he took some big bombs from Tua, Tyson(in the first round) and Mercer to name but a few and remained up right...
I've never went along with the view that he has a glass jaw...but it sure as hell wasn't granite.
An average jaw for me.
Strange, but I hardly remember Tua laying a glove on Lennox (although I'm sure he did). Just shows how time taints the memories. I seem to remember the consumate boxer keeping Tua at arms length th whole fight and fiddling (wrong word, I don't mean he cheated or anything derogatory) his way to a victory which impressed the purists, but had Joe Public criticising that pussy cat of a Heavyweight. For the record I was in th former camp. Very impressive and intelligent use of the tools required to negate a dangerous challenger by a champion who still doesn't get his due from many quarters.
riot187
06-23-2008, 04:05 PM
Amir Khan will not win a world title unless it's the WBU or WBO and ****** pulls some serious strings. Not out of the question then. OK I'll try again, he will never be a dominant world champion in my opinion. There we go. Neck's on the block!
Southy
06-23-2008, 05:02 PM
Khan is making no adjustments to his game the defence is exactly the same non existent and to me the chin looks as glass as ever.He is fighting people in weight divisions below who cant punch or are well past it that alone tells me ****** has not got 100% faith in his last cash cow.
Khan will get exposed horribly when he fights world class opposition in the same weight class.
PaddyD1983
06-24-2008, 04:45 AM
why does it require a top american trainer to teach khan such basics?
i'm turning cold on the idea of khan getting an american trainer unless he bases himself out there which i don't think he'll do. he needs someone he can work with on a near-daily basis.
i won't be suprised if he sticks with powell
Khan has massive marketing potential and is a highly touted world prospect. I think he would appeal to top trainers. When I said 'top american trainer' i actually meant 'roger mayweather'. I agree that he should know the basics by now, but fact is he doesnt, why stick to a British trainer who can only take him so far when you've got the best in the business the other side of the pond.
I agree though that he'd have to relocate. Dont know enough about his character etc to say whether he would or not
Beeston Brawler
06-24-2008, 04:48 AM
I think it is generally accepted that the Americans have the best in the business when it comes to trainers - over here it is merely the exceptionally gifted fighters which reach the top level
Could you really believe that Joe Calzaghe would have been a domestic fighter without Enzo?
Rebel-INS
06-24-2008, 09:46 AM
I think it is generally accepted that the Americans have the best in the business when it comes to trainers - over here it is merely the exceptionally gifted fighters which reach the top level
Could you really believe that Joe Calzaghe would have been a domestic fighter without Enzo?
Joe would've made it if I'd trained him, but if I was Amir I would definitely move to America.
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