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LB3000
06-24-2008, 07:04 AM
At top of the bbc sports newspage there is a headline which says "Joe Calzaghe Splits with long time promoter Frank ******. More soon."
SleazeNation
06-24-2008, 07:05 AM
What the hell is the point in leaving ****** NOW??? 10 years too late.
LB3000
06-24-2008, 07:07 AM
They now have an article up on the bbc boxing page.
hitman_hatton1
06-24-2008, 07:10 AM
absolutely stunned at this. :yep
it's 7 yrs to late mind. :roll:
TBooze
06-24-2008, 07:13 AM
They have had a superb partnership, but if Joe has only one more bout in him, I can understand his need to make as much money as possible.
Icky Monker
06-24-2008, 07:16 AM
Holy cow, I wonder what the impetus was for the split? Money? ****** maybe trying to force him to fight Pavlik?
scurlaruntings
06-24-2008, 07:23 AM
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA you couldnt make this crap up!! ****** must be pissed!!Oh well at least his got Amir for the next 5 years at least BWA HA HA
Beeston Brawler
06-24-2008, 07:25 AM
I wonder what Frank's next column will say...........
No doubt Joe was the one who insisted on defending his WBO belt 20 odd times and never wanted to fight out of the UK, and had to be held at gunpoint to agree to fight Jeff Lacy, Mikkel Kessler and Bernard Hopkins.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer fella.
scurlaruntings
06-24-2008, 07:26 AM
Ok guys lets not beat around the bush Joe is only doing this so he scoops a last major pay day and calls it quits. Frank is aware of this. Win or loose Joe is history.
Beeston Brawler
06-24-2008, 07:33 AM
I am unsure as to what Frank will say - he would look ridiculous if he started mouthing off all over the place as he did with Hatton. It was only in this month's Boxing Monthly that ****** said the best fighter he ever worked with was Joe Calzaghe.
As much as I dislike ******, it would have been good for them to reach the end still in partnership, but that's the way it goes sometimes.
Calzaghe states that he has 'some issues' to resolve with ****** - I suppose we can only speculate as to what they are.
Strike
06-24-2008, 07:33 AM
I wonder what Frank's next column will say...........
"To be honest everyone who has worked with Joe has known for a long time that he is hugely gifted but that he has problems with tall fighters and he can be hurt. I have done a great job maximising his career because myself, his Dad Enzo and Joe himself know he has been badly hurt in the gym by rangy fighters who can punch a bit.
Joe wanted no part of Kelly Pavlik and I know why. We spoke about Jones and both agreed it was a meaningless fight, but Joe made it pretty clear that money and not glory in the sport have long been his goals.
I wish him all the best, but it is a good job he didn't fight Pavlik as he would have been badly knocked out and we kept well clear of prime Jones and Hopkins for similar reasons"
steelem
06-24-2008, 07:34 AM
this is g8 news for calzaghe - no middleman - more wonga
Beeston Brawler
06-24-2008, 07:34 AM
:rofl
Beeston Brawler
06-24-2008, 07:37 AM
A fighter of Calzaghe's stature doesn't even need a promoter anyway. Half of the fighters under the GBP banner are using them really as matchmakers, rather than promoters - in that they do what is best for the fighter, rather than a balancing act.
I know that Calzaghe has been influenced by Ricky Hatton and the money that has come his way by operating Stateside - and every fighter seems to be impressed at the professionalism that GBP bring to the table, compared to SN - so Calzaghe to GBP anyone?
It would make sense, GBP are at war with Top Rank - who promote Pavlik......
bongsbomber
06-24-2008, 07:46 AM
Surely this means that the Jones fight wont be his last fight ?
Max Molyneux
06-24-2008, 07:48 AM
Ok guys lets not beat around the bush Joe is only doing this so he scoops a last major pay day and calls it quits. Frank is aware of this. Win or loose Joe is history.
Totally, long as his next fight has decent TV coverage and not PPV, couldn't give a shit If Frank promoted It.
kurt2006
06-24-2008, 07:50 AM
Won't it be funny if JC signs up with Setanta (like Haye did). Frank ****** will be well pissed off if that happens.
D-MAC
06-24-2008, 07:51 AM
"To be honest everyone who has worked with Joe has known for a long time that he is hugely gifted but that he has problems with tall fighters and he can be hurt. I have done a great job maximising his career because myself, his Dad Enzo and Joe himself know he has been badly hurt in the gym by rangy fighters who can punch a bit.
Joe wanted no part of Kelly Pavlik and I know why. We spoke about Jones and both agreed it was a meaningless fight, but Joe made it pretty clear that money and not glory in the sport have long been his goals.
I wish him all the best, but it is a good job he didn't fight Pavlik as he would have been badly knocked out and we kept well clear of prime Jones and Hopkins for similar reasons"
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I imagine it would be something like that.
Max Molyneux
06-24-2008, 07:51 AM
He might not have huge Issues with Frank, he probably wants to make a bigger payday like Scurla said.
He usually says Frank Is a good promoter.
scurlaruntings
06-24-2008, 07:54 AM
Won't it be funny if JC signs up with Setanta (like Haye did). Frank ****** will be well pissed off if that happens.It would certainly be in his interest if he did. Frank needs to realise that the tides are turning dramatically and that boxers are far more business savvy than in years past.GBP have done massive wonders for all there signee`s There certainly aware of the massive percentages he makes off there hard work and theres no reason for them to want it all hence why Audley went out on his own in the first place. If Franks not careful he`ll soon be relegated to a small hall promoter.
Strike
06-24-2008, 07:56 AM
Please let Joe sign with Hatton or Haye Promotions. Please.:D
achillesthegreat
06-24-2008, 07:56 AM
I'm hoping he has left him to make the Pavlik fight rather that not.
Pavlik is the only way to go.
dwilson
06-24-2008, 07:56 AM
No doubt ****** refused to join in with one of Enzo's farm sex parties....
kurt2006
06-24-2008, 07:56 AM
If Franks not careful he`ll soon be relegated to a small hall promoter.
He could team up with Hobson then. :lol:
scurlaruntings
06-24-2008, 07:56 AM
He might not have huge Issues with Frank, he probably wants to make a bigger payday like Scurla said.
He usually says Frank Is a good promoter.Frank asked him to a parnter with SN. Thats a BIG fucking deal. Joe passed on the offer. Not sure why but that would have been massively lucrative for him. But i get the feeling that Joe wants to walk away from boxing entirely for at least a year or so until the bug gets him again and then maybe he`ll entertain ******s offer again. But i highly doubt he`ll get salty with ****** despite what ****** may think and vice versa.
achillesthegreat
06-24-2008, 07:58 AM
God the way things are going lately FW will have no one decent left in his stable.:lol:
First a few of his fighters lose their belts..
amirs no prince nazeem..
and now calzaghes left.:yep
FW likes a cockroach. He's a survivor.
scurlaruntings
06-24-2008, 07:59 AM
FW likes a cockroach. He's a survivor.Thats because its a small pond..
ScouseLad
06-24-2008, 07:59 AM
I'm hoping he has left him to make the Pavlik fight rather that not.
Pavlik is the only way to go.
He's stated again in his talking about leaving ****** that Jones Jr is what he wants.
achillesthegreat
06-24-2008, 08:02 AM
Everything points towards him ducking Pavlik to keep his record in tact.
He loves the fight then Lockett gets owned, he plays down Pavlik fight, splits from ****** etc
What a shame.
Max Molyneux
06-24-2008, 08:06 AM
Everything points towards him ducking Pavlik to keep his record in tact.
He loves the fight then Lockett gets owned, he plays down Pavlik fight, splits from ****** etc
What a shame.
Joe's fought and battered guys who would KO Pavlik In their heydays.
He's levels above Lockett.
Would prefer If he fought someone else other than Roy Jones though.
Max Molyneux
06-24-2008, 08:11 AM
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achillesthegreat
06-24-2008, 08:12 AM
Joe's fought and battered guys who would KO Pavlik In their heydays.
He's levels above Lockett.
Would prefer If he fought someone else other than Roy Jones though.
Eubank, Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins v Pavlik would be very interesting.
Nevertheless, Joe wanted the fight and now he doesn't. His dad could have said to him 'this guy could ruin your clean record'.
Jones is a shit fight. Jones is an awkward fight but for no reward. Jones is proven to past his best. The power seems gone as well.
cjk44
06-24-2008, 08:20 AM
Calzaghe splits with Frank ****** because he dosent want to fight Pavlik. :huh
GazOC
06-24-2008, 08:27 AM
You can't tell me Calzaghe has cooled on a Pavlik fight because Pavlik beat Lockett? Come on FFS....you think Calzaghe didn't know Lockett was going to get a beating? Even Lockett knew Lockett was going to get a beating.....
Beeston Brawler
06-24-2008, 08:30 AM
the scene of boxing refers to an issue of the purse from the hopkins fight - this is nothing new with sports network, ricky hatton and johnny nelson have also had issues
robpalmer135
06-24-2008, 08:32 AM
I almost fell of my chair when i read about this!!!!!!! OH MY FACE. we will defo see the Pavlik fight now i think.
U reckon ****** will drop alot of Calzaghe fighters now???
achillesthegreat
06-24-2008, 08:33 AM
Let me make it clear. Calzaghe going cold on Pavlik fight cos Lockett lost is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying maybe Enzo had a word and now Calzaghe whats to increase his chances of staying undefeated!!!
****** might be pushing the Pavlik fight as the better send off. They all say RJJ is a diva who is impossible to negotiate with. Maybe ****** prefers to negotiate with the experienced Arum!!!
Just thoughts.
robpalmer135
06-24-2008, 08:44 AM
Another thing to point out is that ******s TV deal with Setanta means that Calzaghe doesnt get a hge chunk of PPV revenue, like Hatton has done for his last couple of fights.
Setanta must be pissed off, as Sky can now bag Calzaghe for Jones Jnr and potentially Pavlik, which would get huge buyrates.
robpalmer135
06-24-2008, 08:47 AM
oh and wasnt it only yesterday that ****** was saying "my man calzaghe is not going back to 168" so it must be news to ****** LOL
Beeston Brawler
06-24-2008, 08:52 AM
I think the fact that ****** negotiated a deal with Setanta for all Sports Network fighters must have had something to do with Calzaghe's decision.
No doubt the line from Frank was: 'Accept this and get on with it'
I wonder how Setanta feel now having negotiated the deal with ****** - unless the deal contained a clause with respect to Joe Calzaghe.
This is certainly about money - and why not, Joe is the one putting his life on the line in the ring, and is entitled to as large a share of the cake as he can obtain, as opposed to the promoter, who merely hires the venue and does all the admin work!
A promoter hire a venue for whatever cost, price the tickets accordingly in order to pay the fighters appropriate fees plus give them all the TV money and take a fair chunk for your efforts.
Whereas ****** seems to do all the deals with TV and pays the fighters fuck all, I bet all they get is a set figure plus add ons for all the tickets they sell!
GazOC
06-24-2008, 08:57 AM
Let me make it clear. Calzaghe going cold on Pavlik fight cos Lockett lost is not what I'm saying. I'm just saying maybe Enzo had a word and now Calzaghe whats to increase his chances of staying undefeated!!!
****** might be pushing the Pavlik fight as the better send off. They all say RJJ is a diva who is impossible to negotiate with. Maybe ****** prefers to negotiate with the experienced Arum!!!
Just thoughts.
I think its more likely the Calzaghes saw how much the Hattons made a couple of months back and thought "We'll have some of that". No promoter to take a slice and PPV sales which he wasn't getting with Setanta.
robpalmer135
06-24-2008, 08:58 AM
Setanta must be pissed as Sports Networks 3 biggest fighters at the time of the fight - Khan, Calzaghe and Macceranelli our now either fighting on other networks, not signed with ****** or lost there biggest fight and wont be able to draw like they used to.
Didnt ITV sign with ****** when he had Hatton on board???
If Khan was to leave ****** i honestly think he would be finished!!!
LB3000
06-24-2008, 09:11 AM
I wonder how Setanta feel now having negotiated the deal with ****** - unless the deal contained a clause with respect to Joe Calzaghe. You make a good point and it will be interesting to see what happens. Setanta have been advertising that they will show Joe's next fight but after what has happened today we will have to wait and see if that is still the case.
Rebel-INS
06-24-2008, 09:13 AM
Shocked by this myself, old Frank will be slagging him off in the Sun next week.
Maxime
06-24-2008, 09:48 AM
Something tells me the next news out of this will be.
1- Calzaghe signs with Golden Boy Promotions.
2- ****** fills law suit against Calzaghe and Golden Boy Promotion.
lol
Beeston Brawler
06-24-2008, 09:51 AM
Didnt ITV sign with ****** when he had Hatton on board???
Yes - he signed a deal for Hatton to box on Sports Network shows on ITV.
That was before Hatton was even on a deal with Sports Network!!
Beeston Brawler
06-24-2008, 09:57 AM
It looks like ****** has alienated everyone!
robpalmer135
06-24-2008, 10:37 AM
The fact that Setanta have started signing deals with Top Rank tells you everything you need to know about their opinion of ******. Never bet on one horse when there's plenty of other runners. Good business practice in a industry where the product changes every 5 years.
Well the head of setanta used to be the head of sport at ITV, and he as always spoken very highly of ******. I cant see frank having a problem with then signing with US promoter. just other UK fighters.
Will be intresting to see what buncey has to say in thursday???
Beeston Brawler
06-24-2008, 10:53 AM
It does seem odd, bearing in mind TV are able to sign whoever they want!
The deal between Setanta and Top Rank will have had some effect on Sports Network, as they have been getting away with delivering shit shows for some time - and the prospect of Miguel Cotto, Kelly Pavlik, Manny Pacquiao et al on British mainstream TV would have fans clinging to their seats!
robpalmer135
06-24-2008, 12:15 PM
It does seem odd, bearing in mind TV are able to sign whoever they want!
The deal between Setanta and Top Rank will have had some effect on Sports Network, as they have been getting away with delivering shit shows for some time - and the prospect of Miguel Cotto, Kelly Pavlik, Manny Pacquiao et al on British mainstream TV would have fans clinging to their seats!
The top rank deal has little affect of Sport Network. The british title fights generate as much revenue as the world title fights at 3am so theres no comparison.
the promlem for ****** is that Setanta signed with ****** when they had 3 world champions (Calzaghe, Rees, Macca) potentially 5 (Khan and Arthur) and now they have just 1. thats not gonna make them happy.
Frank has deleiverd big time in the last 12 months i.e Calzaghe vs Hopkins/Kessler and Haye vs Macca but without Calzaghe and without Khan, hes hasnt got much going for him.
I think we shall see Khan signing with Setanta now as Calzaghe was the big star for setanta to sell subcriptions on now. Khans the only man in the stable that can do it cos Arhtur, Rees, Mitchell, Macceranelli, Pryce sure cant.
Beatboxer
06-24-2008, 12:15 PM
It doesn't make a great deal of difference at this stage...
Surprised all the same.
i pissed myself when i read this.
i'm assuming joe has had the correct legal advice and won't find himself sidelined with a court case like what happened with hatton.
poor frank. he was going to lose joe anyway, but i'm sure he wanted to stage a grand final show for his man.
I think we shall see Khan signing with Setanta now as Calzaghe was the big star for setanta to sell subcriptions on now. Khans the only man in the stable that can do it cos Arhtur, Rees, Mitchell, Macceranelli, Pryce sure cant.
tbh, as sad as it is, khan will probably sell as many setanta subscriptions as joe.
robpalmer135
06-24-2008, 12:37 PM
tbh, as sad as it is, khan will probably sell as many setanta subscriptions as joe.
i dont see why its sad. he is britains top prospect by a long way. and is also our most exciting fighter along with Haye.
Diablo
06-24-2008, 12:37 PM
Kinda surprised but its only for one last fight.
I seriously doubt Calzaghe is scared to face Pavlik. Joe just seems to be set on this bumper Jones payday.
HBO need to dismiss Jones and up the $$$ for a Calzaghe vs Pavlik clash to make it a reality.
i dont see why its sad. he is britains top prospect by a long way. and is also our most exciting fighter along with Haye.
i just meant sad in that khan a pro of a couple of years is better known than our longest reigning world champ. agree with him being one of our most exciting fighters though
the scene of boxing refers to an issue of the purse from the hopkins fight - this is nothing new with sports network, ricky hatton and johnny nelson have also had issues
Yes I saw that on the Boxing Scene website. Apparently he has issues to be resolved with ****** - speculation that Calzaghe is owed money from the Hopkins contest, etc....
marauder1999
06-24-2008, 01:27 PM
Arum said ****** wanted this fight and was still trying to make it. Next thing we know, ****** is toast. Not much to figure out here.
Pavlik called out Joe, pavliks trainer called out Joe, pavliks promoter called out joe and ****** wanted the fight also. Now ******s fired. Give me a break. Joes not afraid of Pavlik huh?
dan-b
06-24-2008, 02:00 PM
Calzaghe is quoted as saying "There are issues to be resolved with my former promoter Frank ****** and I hope they can be done so amicably."
Frank ****** has always claimed he considers Joe a friend. Lets see if it stays that way.
Bodysnatcher
06-24-2008, 02:11 PM
Is there any chance Calzaghe will go to Sky with the RJJ fight in the hope of getting a large slice of PPV sales?
Diablo
06-24-2008, 02:34 PM
Arum said ****** wanted this fight and was still trying to make it. Next thing we know, ****** is toast. Not much to figure out here.
Pavlik called out Joe, pavliks trainer called out Joe, pavliks promoter called out joe and ****** wanted the fight also. Now ******s fired. Give me a break. Joes not afraid of Pavlik huh?
lol who has Pavlik beat recently to make calzaghe so terrified? Lockett? comon Joe prolly murdered him in the gym on a weekly basis.
People said Joe was scared of the big young challenge in the form of Kessler..but he fought and beat him.
Theres always going to be one more fight with someone coming through....and if the aging 36 year old doesnt take it hes a ducker?
PrideOfWales
06-24-2008, 02:49 PM
If Calzaghe isn't pulling some slick negotiating manouvre then he's just decreased his best chance of maximizing his dosh by clearly stating his only intention is to fight Roy Jones... what kind of dumbass move is that as a negotiation move? The first rule is to not show your hand too soon. Unless he's trying to lure Pavlik in with a weighty offer, he's being a dick.
As for the unresolved issues with ******, I heard that Calzaghe had a verbal agreement with Frank that he would be promoting his last fight. Obviously no contract was signed though. The issue must be about the money from the Hopkins fight I would imagine.
Diablo
06-24-2008, 03:20 PM
Just seems like Calzaghe is already retired and the Jones fight is simply a pension payment.
I think calzaghe is owed money .he has always spoken highly bout FW and SN .
steelem
06-24-2008, 03:58 PM
I work for SKY & one of the sports managers told me today that they are already in talks well before this announcement
seconds out
06-24-2008, 04:20 PM
To say its about the money is a understatement.... Calzaghe allegedly rips off his own fans to make more dough.:yep:rofl
Cobbler
06-24-2008, 04:31 PM
Is there any possibility that Frank owes Joe for 100 seats at the Hopkins' fight, best views, only 150% face value?
If there is I'd like to officially instate it as an internet rumour please.
No doubt ****** will come out with shit like "Calzaghe is ducking Pavlik" in one of his infamous articles once the dust has settled
Smart move from Joe. He's made ****** enough money, and he wants a larger cut of the pie from Jones.
dan-b
06-24-2008, 04:47 PM
No doubt ****** will come out with shit like "Calzaghe is ducking Pavlik" in one of his infamous articles once the dust has settled
Smart move from Joe. He's made ****** enough money, and he wants a larger cut of the pie from Jones.
I don't know if you saw my earlier post but I said that ****** has always claimed to consider Joe a friend. We'll see if he sticks by that statement now wont we? ****** really be pinning all his hopes on Khan after this.
GazOC
06-24-2008, 04:53 PM
Arum said ****** wanted this fight and was still trying to make it. Next thing we know, ****** is toast. Not much to figure out here.
Pavlik called out Joe, pavliks trainer called out Joe, pavliks promoter called out joe and ****** wanted the fight also. Now ******s fired. Give me a break. Joes not afraid of Pavlik huh?
Any idiot can call someone out. Can someone PLEASE tell me WTF Kelly Pavlik has done that makes him so scary? He's fought 2 world class boxers in a pretty poor division and struggled to beat one of those. Don't get me wrong, he's a decent fighter but to say Calzaghe is scared of Pavlik is fucking laughable.
dan-b
06-24-2008, 04:56 PM
Any idiot can call someone out. Can someone PLEASE tell WTF Kelly Pavlik has done that makes him so scary? He's fought 2 world class boxers and struggled to beat one of those. Don't get me wrong, he's a decent fighter but to say Calzaghe is scared of Pavlik is fucking laughable.
I actually agree with you here Gaz & to be honest, after initially getting caught up in the hype of wanting to see the fight, my interest in a Ghost/JC bout has waned. Theres a big fight at 160 between Pavlik & Abraham that I'd much rather see.
I see no harm with one big send off fight with Jones as long as people realise it has almost no bearing on what would have happened between them when Roy was in his prime.
I dunno. If Calzaghe knows out Roy Jones, as I believe he will, we should be inclined to favour him in a mythical prime matchup.
dan-b
06-24-2008, 05:01 PM
I dunno. If Calzaghe knows out Roy Jones, as I believe he will, we should be inclined to favour him in a mythical prime matchup.
We'll do a poll nearer the time. See how many people agree with you on that one. We can tag a WBO poll on as well.:good
GazOC
06-24-2008, 05:02 PM
You seem almost sorry that you have to agree with me Dan...;)
Roy would have flatten JC prime for prime, but theres no harm in Calzaghe earning a few bob and putting a nice (if slightly tainted) win on his record. Pavlik will still be avalialble for the next fight if Joe decides to fight on.
dan-b
06-24-2008, 05:05 PM
You seem almost sorry that you have to agree with me Dan...;)
Roy would have flatten JC prime for prime, but theres no harm in Calzaghe earning a few bob and putting a nice (if tainted) win on his record. Pavlik will still be avalialble for the next fight if Joe decides to fight on.
You make me out to be some kind of disagreeable ogre.:lol:
Oooo....I have a feeling TFFP (JC's number one fanboy) may have a thing or two to say about that statement. I happen to agree with all of that as well though.:good
What, like he flattened Castro (thats not the Cuban president although it may as well be), Reggie Johnson, Del Valle, Gonzalez and several others I can't even be bothered to think of?
People always seem to forget, Roy Jones was a carrier of fighters. He was head and shoulders above them, but he'd almost toy with them or do just enough. This is why some guys survived 12 rounds, when the talent gap suggests they shouldn't have, and it is also the reason a great like Calzaghe definitely survives 12 and stays competetive.
GazOC
06-24-2008, 05:11 PM
When a fighter who's main weapon is speed has that taken away from him then he's in serious trouble. Jones would do that to Calzaghe.
That doesn't change the fact far worse fighters than Calzaghe lasted, and the two on Calzaghe's level were never in danger of getting knocked out.
GazOC
06-24-2008, 05:30 PM
That doesn't change the fact far worse fighters than Calzaghe lasted, and the two on Calzaghe's level were never in danger of getting knocked out.
But thats the old "A beats B and B beats C so A beats C" argument.
Its a good job Ali never paid any attention to that before the Foreman fight.....He'd lost to Frazier and Frazier got demolished by Foreman.
But thats the old "A beats B and B beats C so A beats C" argument.
Its a good job Ali never paid any attention to that before the Foreman fight.....He'd lost to Frazier and Frazier got demolished by Foreman.
It's not, really
Not when A is Joe Calzaghe, and B is Somebody Castro the roadsweeper with 100+ cans on his record
Let's be serious, it is nothing like a given Jones "flattens" Calzaghe. Calzaghe even has the potential to fire something back and keep Jones occupied unlike some of these guys that survived.
It's a competetive decision for Jones, which I have always maintained.
GazOC
06-24-2008, 05:43 PM
Its not a 'given' that Jones would KO Calzaghe but thats where my money would be. JC has 3 main attributes, speed, boxing ability and chin, Jones would nullify 2 of those and the third had better stand up to the punishment.
BTW how come you get to pick who the 'B' would be? Wouldn't Hopkins be a better candidate than Castro, seeing as he has actually fought both fighters at the highest level?
Its not a 'given' that Jones would KO Calzaghe but thats where my money would be. JC has 3 main attributes, speed, boxing ability and chin, Jones would nullify 2 of those and the third had better stand up to the punishment.
BTW how come you get to pick who the 'B' would be? Wouldn't Hopkins be a better candidate than Castro, seeing as he has actually fought both fighters at the highest level?
Err, yeah ok. Hopkins didn't get flattened either, if you hadn't noticed. Infact, that fight is a classic case of the carrying I speak of :yep
I chose Castro, because its an example of one of quite a few fighters significantly worse than Calzaghe that didn't get sparked when they ought to.
You talk about speed and boxing ability like these are attributes that make you more prone to getting KO'd by Jones. Far from it, if you have speed you have more chance of avoiding Jones shots. If you have boxing ability, you have more chance of keeping him occupied. If you have a granite chin, you are less likely to get knocked out than the guys that survived. If you have adaptability and ring smarts, this further reinforces the point you ain't getting knocked out by Jones.
Remember, I'm disputing Calzaghe getting 'flattened', not that he neccessarily wins.
GazOC
06-24-2008, 06:06 PM
Maybe 'flattened' was OTT but I def. think Calzaghe would get KO'd if him and Jones fought in their primes. I can't see JC being able to mount much of an offence and theres only so far a good chin will get you when you are getting tagged by fast, hard puches.
No chance. 8-4 Jones always has been my prediction, against a prime Calzaghe. 5 years ago probably.
:deal
Only just heard about the news.
Ive just come back from the gym with a mate who was doing security at the Khan v Gomez fight and he was just telling me that he walked into a massive row between Enzo Calzaghe and Fwank ******. I get home and discover this news.
Its a bit to late if you ask me Calzaghe should have done it earlier.
Diablo
06-24-2008, 07:04 PM
****** is partly the reason it was 2006 before Calzaghe finally got a unification fight. But tbh could any promoter have forced Beyer or Ottke into fighting Joe? They wanted none of him. When hometown decison Ottke finally retired it was the best thing for the SMW division.
Maybe ****** could have got Joe a fight with Lucas or Mitchell when they held belts...but i think the german promoters were offering more money.
Respect to Jeff Lacy for having the balls and confidence to try and unify the division...he was afterall the most highly regarded champion of Calzaghes reign up until that point.
TIGEREDGE
06-24-2008, 09:27 PM
setanta have the next great GB superstar David on their books, so losing Calzaghe won't be that big of a blow.
JonOli
06-24-2008, 10:55 PM
Isn't it a bit late in the day. If he can split from him now; he certainly could have years ago.
Questions.
dan-b
06-25-2008, 01:55 AM
Isn't it a bit late in the day. If he can split from him now; he certainly could have years ago.
Questions.
Yup I say he could have done, the Calzaghe fans say he couldn't. I say he could have chased a fight with a prime Jones, the Calzaghe fans say it wasn't a realistic proposition. It's an argument that will never be resolved & one I'm certainly bored of now. Its all academic, he'll fight Jones & most likely retire. He's earned his retirement fight just like any other. I don't begrudge him it & I'm glad & surprised to see him turn ****** over at the end.
Shocker. Obviously he doesnt want to give ****** a portion of his last/biggest payday(s) of his career.
Is this the downfall of SportsNetwork...? We will see!:lol:
Why split with him now?? Pretty pointless if he only has one fight left. I suppose he doesn't fancy facing Pavlik, he would rather beat down an old, past it Roy Jones. Calzaghe should have left ****** when he was lining up all those bums and pub fighters he fought in the past.
Can't blame the guy for getting a last big payday. ****** earnt him f all is 12+ years.
Mikey
06-25-2008, 07:18 PM
Why are they saying its too late he has now split, after Calzaghe leaves ****** he blatently ducks Pavlik?
Fuck the egotistical childish cunt, he bangs on about Hopkins being immature, he is just as bad who claims to have gotten more wiser and doesnt have to retort to child like behaviour, he was lucky he didnt fight Hopkins 5 years earlier, cause Hopkins would have beaten him.
TheChamp1000
06-25-2008, 07:46 PM
Why split with him now?? Pretty pointless if he only has one fight left. I suppose he doesn't fancy facing Pavlik, he would rather beat down an old, past it Roy Jones. Calzaghe should have left ****** when he was lining up all those bums and pub fighters he fought in the past.
Can't blame the guy for getting a last big payday. ****** earnt him f all is 12+ years.
Yeah but its 1 fight left minus Frank ******s cut in the biggest payday of his life.
I dont think if he stays with ****** he has to fight pavlik? A lot of people are linking these as a possible reason for the split. Makes no sense as jones is the bigger payday and ****** could care less who he fought, its all about the money.
Max Molyneux
06-26-2008, 04:53 PM
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Not the best paper but the Sun think the Jones fight will be September 20th.
dan-b
06-26-2008, 04:54 PM
The Sun "not the best paper", now thats an understatement.:lol:
Nemesis
06-26-2008, 05:44 PM
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Not the best paper but the Sun think the Jones fight will be September 20th.
What the fuck are you going on that shite website for :roll:
show some loyalty
GazOC
06-26-2008, 05:52 PM
According to the Express today, Calzaghe and RJJ will be co promoting the fight but Calzaghe said there are still some 'issues' to be resolved with ****** first.
Max Molyneux
06-27-2008, 05:14 AM
What the fuck are you going on that shite website for :roll:
show some loyalty
I'm not an oversensitive football fan to hold grudges though against an editor who doesn't even work for the sun anymore.
Nemesis
06-27-2008, 08:05 AM
I'm not an oversensitive football fan to hold grudges though against an editor who doesn't even work for the sun anymore.
Whats that got to do with anything?
I'm an Evertonian (with a passion for hating LFC), yet what he said about the people of Liverpool was disgraceful. It has nothing to do with football you fool
dan-b
06-27-2008, 01:32 PM
Calzaghe leaves ****** and goes for the easiest fight possible at this point.
I guess we now know who was responsible for Joe not taking on anyone of note for so long.
Cant wait until TFFP reads this.:lol:
Max Molyneux
06-27-2008, 07:12 PM
Whats that got to do with anything?
I'm an Evertonian (with a passion for hating LFC), yet what he said about the people of Liverpool was disgraceful. It has nothing to do with football you fool
Wasn't part of it because of what they said about Hills borough?
Technically your the fool, I'm only giving sources for fight dates , I ain't bothered about what gets said about the pool as It strengthens the stereotyping of us whinging like the stuff Boris Johnson said.
I don't read the sun otherwise except for the odd online boxing news.
Max Molyneux
06-27-2008, 07:14 PM
Kelvin Mckenzie may have instigated it, but he only published it with the consent of Rupert Murdoch, who still owns the paper.
They have never apologised for those outright lies – not once. This has been The Sun (and the rest of News Corp’s) modus operandi in the UK since the 1970s.
They took, and continue to, take advantage of tragedy and humanitarian disasters to publish smear campaigns to a) boost circulation and b) further Murdoch’s political agenda.
As a human being, you should boycott Murdoch’s media for the slanderous, bile-filled putrescence they distribute daily.
I boycott Murdock though, Virgin Media doesn't have Sky One because he's a tight bastard and I don't get to watch the Simpsons as much now.:twisted:
hitman_hatton1
06-27-2008, 07:20 PM
Whats that got to do with anything?
I'm an Evertonian (with a passion for hating LFC), yet what he said about the people of Liverpool was disgraceful. It has nothing to do with football you fool
yeah yeah shut it bluenose. :D
enjoy ya 5th place finish again next season won't ya. :yep
Nemesis
06-27-2008, 08:49 PM
yeah yeah shut it bluenose. :D
enjoy ya 5th place finish again next season won't ya. :yep
5th would do us fine at least we dont have to put up with the daily soap opera which is the liverpool boardroom
Ilesey
06-27-2008, 10:18 PM
Not really suprised if I'm being honest. I'm quite glad actually.
toffeejack
06-28-2008, 05:45 AM
yeah yeah shut it bluenose. :D
enjoy ya 5th place finish again next season won't ya. :yep
5th place would be another amazing acheivement by the club considering the finances available compared to the so called big 4.
With the money the fat spanish waiter has spunked away on mediocre rubbish (apart from torres) he's lucky to be in a job, Moyes would have probably won them the title by now.
What's going to be the final piece of the jigsaw this season then? It's one hell of a jigsaw I'll say that. We've been hearing that line for 10 seasons now :lol:
hitman_hatton1
06-28-2008, 06:19 AM
5th place would be another amazing acheivement by the club considering the finances available compared to the so called big 4.
With the money the fat spanish waiter has spunked away on mediocre rubbish (apart from torres) he's lucky to be in a job, Moyes would have probably won them the title by now.
What's going to be the final piece of the jigsaw this season then? It's one hell of a jigsaw I'll say that. We've been hearing that line for 10 seasons now :lol:
i'm realistic about it.
winning the league is gonna be tough.
united are always strong. last summer they spent a fortune.
chelsea have a lot of money.
as long as liverpool are making the champs league and making progress i'm happy.
last season was our best pts total in ages. best since 91 i believe. :yep the top 3 all got over 80 pts.
just enjoy ya fight for 5th again won't ya. :hi:
dan-b
06-28-2008, 06:24 AM
i'm realistic about it.
winning the league is gonna be tough.
united are always strong. last summer they spent a fortune.
chelsea have a lot of money.
as long as liverpool are making the champs league and making progress i'm happy.
last season was our best pts total in ages. best since 91 i believe. :yep the top 3 all got over 80 pts.
just enjoy ya fight for 5th again won't ya. :hi:
Until Rafa stops rotating (ie never) you haven't a prayer of winning the league I'm afraid. And yes, most managers would have been sacked for wasting the kind of money he has. I actually like Rafa and am glad he's staying in the Premiership but his transfer policy is weak & he's clueless about winning the league.
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