Why don't more boxers TURTLE?

[Primenal]

I've been boxing for a while (just training, sparring a little, etc). I've started taking Jeen Kune Do for the 4-5 months. All there shit is your lead hand/ lead leg infront. So, I fight my martial arts instructor (5th degree black belt), and I get DESTROYED!!! No kicking, but he's aloud to backhand. So, I started getting deeper and deeper in to this training...Lead hand infront. I could fight both before, but now in southpaw I'm very fast, and deadly against most people (plus they aren't use to fighting soutpaw fighters).
So, I beat quite a few people using this method, and it works really well...The people it doesn't work against are....people whom know Jeen Kune do BETTER than you! Which are my instructor, and a student he trained for like 4 years.
It was like 4-5 months since I got destroyed so I was plotting a way to beat my instructor the whole time. He's a counter puncher...He puts his right leg out infront a good distance, with a spring (for mule kicking people coming towards him), leans his head back making himself impossible to hit for even stretch armstrong...SO, you must come to him, and he'll counter you (usually with a backfist), and then beat your ass. His student will do the same. So, I figured my first plan was to ATTACK! Kind of like a Manny Pac charge. Worked alright against his student, and I was proud. Tryed it against the instructor...TORE ME UP HARD!
So, I put a new plan to action...TURTLING. I still come at them, but turn my gloves in to me making it very hard to hit, tuck in my body, and fight CONVENTIONAL. Since he's fighting southpaw I'd block most of the right hands with the left glove, and counter usually with the left hand. Worked like a damn charm.
My question...Why don't you see more boxers do this style that are counter punchers, or even guys whom are looking to get in far enough to work the body??? Also, if I use this style, what are it's disadvantages....What do I have to watch out for? He'd slip the occasional uppercut through my defense every once in a while, but couldn't do much else otherwise.

[younghypnotiq]

wtf are you talking about? and if i understand u correctly tyson did that exact thign.

[tri-pod]

what in the hell are you going on about? i quite reading half way through the fucking paragraph because you are making no sense at all.

[Relentless]

English please.

[Box-on]

:huh

[MagnificentMatt]

I think he wants to know why more people don't use the defense that Winky and Arthur Abraham use..

[younghypnotiq]

I think he wants to know why more people don't use the defense that Winky and Arthur Abraham use..

i thnk hes talking about mike tysons gaurd.

[Thumpa50814]

what in the hell are you going on about? i quite reading half way through the fucking paragraph because you are making no sense at all.for real turtleing wtf hahah lolhaha

[RDJ]

I like turtles.

[Thumpa50814]

I like turtles.ahha

[Jennifer Love Hewitt]

Cowabunga!

[BlackWater]

CMNry4PE93Y

[ralphc]

what in the hell are you going on about? i quite reading half way through the fucking paragraph because you are making no sense at all.


That's what happens when guys don't get proper training, they get punch drunk prematurely.

[JMonster]

LOL LOL LOL at that video that somebody found!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HILARIOUS.


but neways to answer the question from the creator of this thread. i don't really know what ur talkn about w/ the turtle thing. but a reason y a lot of BOXERS don't go southpaw is because u r mostly TAUGHT to have ur dominant hand to be in the back. i know what ur talkn about when ur saying that ur instructor is telling u to southpaw all the time but that's in THAT martial art. i have gotten my feet wet in a martial art where they r taught that also. but in boxing, u r taught to counter both ways. for instance if ur fighting a southpaw to have ur front foot on the outside of theirs to create better punches.
to beat ur trainer, try to throw punches to his body since he is leaned back so far. jab up and then go low. mix it up and throw a lot of combinations. let me know how it works

[pijo]

Dont turtles live for about 170 years or something like that.

[BladeJrs]

Dont turtles live for about 170 years or something like that.

I had to hold back from spitting out my water from laughing at that. Bravo to the random but at the same time relevant comment.

[Primenal]

My original question was why don't boxers do turtling (turn there gloves outwards so they can cover more of there face)?..Like Winky Wright. It's very hard to hit you, if your a body puncher you can muscle your way in, and then smash them up, etc. Then, I was asking what are the disadvantages, and weaknesses of turning your gloves outwards (what I'm calling turtling)?

[Machine]

I understand what you mean by turtling. Others call it "peek-a-boo" defense or what Ted Atlas calls 'putting the ear muffs on'. Winky or Ike Quartey style.

It's a good defensive technique that most boxers use at various times thoughtout a round (particularly if they're caught out of position or if they don't want to be pushed back by the other guy's combination, giving them access to the inside), but some, like the guys mentioned above use it all the time, prefering it to head movement, a lot of foot movement and parrying. Most use a combination of all the defensive options.

The disadvantage to 'turtling' is that it is very defensive in so far as the other guy can tea-off with upper-cuts and hooks around your gloves knowing that you're not in a good position to offer your own offense. It's a difficult position to fire your own punches from unless you're Winky (and I think his power is diminished somewhat from punching from this position), or to move your head.

If I'm sparring someone and they cover-up in the manner you're discussing I know I've got a split second where I can unleash upper-cuts/hooks or rights through the middle, and then move, cos' the other guy has gone into his shell and will not be offering anything back at that moment.

[boxbible]

So you're Jeet Kune Do instructor got in a few uppercuts?

A good boxer would tear your head off with uppercuts and then step to the side while you were still "turtling" in.

[Primenal]

So you're Jeet Kune Do instructor got in a few uppercuts?

A good boxer would tear your head off with uppercuts and then step to the side while you were still "turtling" in.

His student did...Haven't got to try it on the instructor yet. I didn't turtle the whole time though. I'll turtle when I'm conventional stance, I'd chase him and throw lots of punches whenever in southpaw, and when he's coming at me I'd steal his defensive style and slap him with a backhand.
I found a new one though where somebody cannot shoot the uppercut, and is being in a shell. Some guy told me he watched a fight on friday night fights, and turned his arms HORIZONTALLY (his front arm was used to cover his face, and rear arm was used to cover his body)...Quite weird. He'd do this style to get inside, blast the guy to the body, and back out. He said that's the only thing he did, and won the fight. I tryed it yesterday, and amazingly works pretty well, but you cannot do a lot of offense out of it. I couldn't use it in a real boxing match, but I turn my gloves out to protect more of my body...Somebody gets close, and I slap them with a backfist with the front hand, and then shoot the hook right after. Then you can immediately come back with the opposite backfist, and another hook.

[joekirkbycobra]

d u mean like winky wright

[elTerrible]

My original question was why don't boxers do turtling (turn there gloves outwards so they can cover more of there face)?..Like Winky Wright. It's very hard to hit you, if your a body puncher you can muscle your way in, and then smash them up, etc. Then, I was asking what are the disadvantages, and weaknesses of turning your gloves outwards (what I'm calling turtling)?


Winky Wright has unusually long forearms. If you look at him he covers pretty much his face and body/ribs at the same time. People with normal forearms would have to choose between blocking their face and leaving their body open or vice versa.

Also I dont know what kind of gloves you use in your martial art class, but Winky uses the biggest puffiest brand which creates even more area to block.

If you are using smaller gloves in your class its less to block with.