Jones Jnr Claims 20th September date with Calzaghe

[Jack Dempsey]

In Vegas

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No confirmation from the Calzaghe camp it would seem

[dan-b]

I really hope Jones rolls back the years. Cant see it happening though. Jones will be lucky to last the 12 in a clear UD victory for Joe.

[toffeejack]

I was there for the Hopkins fight but not sure if I'm gonna fork out all that money again even if it's his last fight.

It will surely be a better fight to watch than the Hopkins one that's for sure. At least Jones will come to fight and not spoil for 12 rounds.

[dan-b]

I was there for the Hopkins fight but not sure if I'm gonna fork out all that money again even if it's his last fight.

It will surely be a better fight to watch than the Hopkins one that's for sure. At least Jones will come to fight and not spoil for 12 rounds.

Yeah he probably wont drop him in the first round either.

[toffeejack]

Yeah he probably wont drop him in the first round either.

I doubt he will.

That was a cracking right hand that Hopkins landed though credit where it's due. It's the only positive thing he did though which was a shame.

Has he officially retired yet?

[dan-b]

I doubt he will.

That was a cracking right hand that Hopkins landed though credit where it's due. It's the only positive thing he did though which was a shame.

Has he officially retired yet?

No but I hope he does. Guys a fucking legend & I'd hate to see him carry on & lose again. I stilll think he could school most fighters from 160-175 which is testament to a man his age. Should definitely retire though. Nothing more to prove.

[Sheehan]

huge fan of RJJ and as much as I like calzaghe I will be supporting jones, cant see him winning though :/

[Broxi]

Fuck it, if it's in Vegas I have no real reason to be interested in this fight, don't want to see Calzaghe lose his 0 in his last fight but I also don't want to see RJJ beat either.

[trotter]

At least Jones will come to fight and not spoil for 12 rounds.

Will he?

Gun-shy I think, certainly looked that way against Tarver last time, too scared to get hit

[mike464]

If Jones can get to 10% of his best he could win this. Sadly I think he'll be humiliated.

[GazOC]

He'll need a damn sight more than 10%.

[Sheehan]

Will he?

Gun-shy I think, certainly looked that way against Tarver last time, too scared to get hit
oh yea you could see the fear in his eyes when taking those bodyshots in his last fight!

[Shev]

I really hope Calzaghe doesn't go out with two wins against two old legends. He has to fight Roy Jones Jr then Pavlik and he can retire without any ducking allegations.

[D-MAC]

I'll still tune it.

It will be interesting while it lasts, and I don't think Jones will want to end up humiliated. Of course he mightn't have a choice in the matter.

I can see Jones giving Joe problems early, but Jones' lack of overall workrate will allow Calzaghe to dominate down the stretch for a clear UD win.

[dan-b]

I really hope Calzaghe doesn't go out with two wins against two old legends. He has to fight Roy Jones Jr then Pavlik and he can retire without any ducking allegations.

Nope, because even if he does people will say he needs to fight Dawson. Pavlik is gaining some ridiculous elevation at the moment.

[clubberlang]

I have a bad feeling about this fight for Calzaghe, I know RJJ is shot now but I have a sneaky feeling he is going to pull this off!
I know Joe didnt look too good against Hopkins, no one does I know but I think he gets too carried away sometimes and i'm not sure if fighting in Vegas will be good for him, all the razzmattaz and stars got to him I think he was way to complacent against Hopkins..to casual.

[dan-b]

I have a bad feeling about this fight for Calzaghe, I know RJJ is shot now but I have a sneaky feeling he is going to pull this off!
I know Joe didnt look too good against Hopkins, no one does I know but I think he gets too carried away sometimes and i'm not sure if fighting in Vegas will be good for him, all the razzmattaz and stars got to him I think he was way to complacent against Hopkins..to casual.

Nope I just think Hopkins surprised a lot of people, including Joe himself. Hopkins doesn't get anywhere near enough credit on this boards.

Rather than having "sneaky feelings" just use logic. Logic tells us Joe will win a clear UD against Jones.

[BIG WORM]

hopefuly jones knocks joe out

[clubberlang]

Well my 'feeling' or logic was that Calzaghe was going to win on points against Hopkins, not much of a suprise there but in my opinion he could have fought more effectively if he was more focused but thats my opinion.

Again, my feeling is that RJJ wont be as bad as some people are making out on ths board and using my own logic that I think Calzaghe gets too easily distracted ie he wants to put on a show I think RJJ will do well.

Nothing is cast in stone especially in boxing.

[dan-b]

Well my 'feeling' or logic was that Calzaghe was going to win on points against Hopkins, not much of a suprise there but in my opinion he could have fought more effectively if he was more focused but thats my opinion.

Again, my feeling is that RJJ wont be as bad as some people are making out on ths board and using my own logic that I think Calzaghe gets too easily distracted ie he wants to put on a show I think RJJ will do well.

Nothing is cast in stone especially in boxing.

I don't think Joes focus was a factor at all. Hopkins is a truly great fighter whether you like his style or not. Even at 43 he was able to make the fight more than competitive. It all depends on how you rate the two fighters I guess.

As for Jones, he will lose a clear UD. He hasn't the workrate or the confidence to beat Calzaghe now. 5 years ago would have been a completely different story though.

[TFFP]

Jones will get knocked out.

[TFFP]

How do you get a 'near arse-kicking' :?

You either get it kicked or you don't. He didn't, not even close. Not unless you count hugs as scoring shots.

[GazOC]

WTF is a 'near arse-kicking'?

[Betty Swollocks]

yeah not much of an arse kicking when you get hit by about 5 punches over 36 minutes.

i'll looove it if Jones knocks Calzaghe out, shatters his record and then we hear Enzo lamenting the choice of dead squid.

[Max Molyneux]

Both are an easy matchup but I'd rather Joe beat Pavlik. He's going on a senoirs tour like the Golden boy suits do.:twisted:

Even shaky chinned Dawson would be better.

[GazOC]

His corner were going mad because they were in Vegas and were worried about being jobbed and they nearly did.....how anyone can score that fight for Hopkins is beyond me. All this "controlled the pace" BS, unless you are Willie Pep you've actually got throw and connect punches to win rounds.

[Betty Swollocks]

I'm not a Calzaghe fan but I saw it like Gaz. I don't see how it can be scored for Hopkins......and surely it's normal for a corner to be saying all that 'you're behind, you need this round' stuff in a close one to motivate their man. You see that all the time.
Hopkins landed about 5 punches and 375 hugs.

[dwilson]

Maybe we should have seniors circuit for these guys like Calzaghe, RJJ, Hopkins, Fenech and Nelson to fight on. It really is getting ridiculous now.

[TFFP]

By getting knocked over by a guy not noted for his power. By getting hit with cleaner blows at those points that your ancient opponent can actually muster a punch.

Look at the way his corner went mad in the last rounds, they felt he was losing the fight, or it was at least neck-and-neck. Plus Joe's anal sex showboat was the sign of a fighter who is clearly rattled.

Hopkins floored him and landed the cleaner blows in the early going. Only his age prevented him from beating Joe.
So you get knocked down in a boxing match, where people throw punches, and you got your ass kicked? So Marquez got his ass kicked by Pacquiao did he?

He landed a few shots in the early going, yet still totalled about 15 for the entire fight. He did nothing after a few rounds, and whichever way you scored it it could be in no way deemed an ass kicking

I'd say faking a low blow is showing signs of being rattled and desperate rather than showboating

What a clown :patsch

[GazOC]

The "Pep thing" is a myth, I was being sarcastic. Calzaghes corner just wanted him to seal the deal against the home boxer who also happens to work for the promotors, I didn't think the fight was even close yet one judge managed to give it to Hopkins, so maybe JCs corner were right?? To say if Hopkins could have fought the second half of the fight like first half then he would have won is pointless, he didn't because he couldn't.

I don't see what Pavlik, Woods etc has to do with this though.....

[treva1977]

the only chance jones gets of winning is an early round knock out.after that he fucked.

[mike464]

Yes, so in that sense when I said 'half a arse-kicking' (the comment you guys jumped all over) I was correct and you have proven it to be so.

Hopkins ********* Calzaghe in the early going. Sure Joe threw more shots but he missed a hell of a lot of shots and looked woeful. Woeful against an old man also. His boxing was ragged to say the least and if your argument is that he threw more shots and cuffed Hopkins a good few times then that is no argument for a win. Hopkins landed the professional blows in the first part of the fight; he then faded and allowed the younger man to catch the eye. Again, the half-arse kicking comment seems to be consensually bang-on.


As for the guy who says Hopkins landed 15 shots the entire fight. I am pretty sure that figure is incorrect. In fact I’m pretty sure, without being able to check right now, that he landed 15 shots in a single round around the mid-way mark. So call someone a clown but at least do it from a position of knowledge rather than error. Hopknis also had greater accuracy with his shots. Once again it is not called counting. This is not amateur boxing.


Also, there was no mention of Woods by me. I mentioned Johnson, who beat Jones, who Joe is now fighting. The same Johnson Joe never got to fight. The Pavlik issue is about the fact that, once again, Calzaghe is taking the path of least resistance. His whole career was wasted prior to 2005 (when his promoter let him waste in order to build Ricky Hatton) and since then he has done well but this last fight is all about preserving the ‘0’, as that is the first part of the rhetoric we will be fed in order to present Joe as more than a guy who did not go for anything until the last moment.Nice to see that someone doesn't buy into all the Calzaghe bullshit.

[GazOC]

Yes, so in that sense when I said 'half a arse-kicking' (the comment you guys jumped all over) I was correct and you have proven it to be so.

:lol: Thats the first time i've seem somebody misquote themselves....you said 'near arse-kicking' which changes the meaning significantly in this context.

[TFFP]

I still don't understand how you get your ass 'nearly-kicked'. It makes 0 sense. You either get whooped or you don't. To me Calzaghe-Lacy is a whoopping. Nobody got whooped in Calzaghe-Hopkins, it was a bad fight. Joe didn't land anything great, but did enough to outwork him clearly from round 4 onwards, and Hopkins did shit but hold.

How you find any ass kickings in that I'm astonished.

[GazOC]

Not really, halfway there is nearly there, all depends on your perspective. The original statement was saying Joe nearly got his arse-kicked by an old man and it sticks.

I said a fair few other things so why not engage with them? I'll pop them off after I've had my rib-eye :good

What makes you think I disagree with your other points? It was just the use of the phase "near arse-kicking" (inc. the subsequent misquoting and semantic wriggling out of it) and the fact you think the fight was close that I disagree with.

I'd much rather see a Pavlik fight but using woolly terms like 'professional blows' to try and justify the fight being close won't wash and neither will using imaginary punch stats that have very little bearing on the actual fight being discussed to illustrate a (theoretical) point.

[GazOC]

Punch stats can be misleading but I don't think Hopkins landed enough punches to win the fight, if you want me drag this explaination out for 2 paragraphs I will but thats the bottom line. If Hopkins had of landed one decent shot to 5 Calzaghe flurries then I agree you could make a case for giving him rounds but even that wasn't happening.

IMO after the 10-8 in the first the only way Calzaghe could have lost on the cards was if the judges were too fond of scoring even rounds.

Oh, BTW don't fucking patronize me. If you wrote what you meant to get across I wouldn't have to 'unpack' the meaning of your posts but actually nailing down your opinions would leave you less wriggle room I suppose.

[TFFP]

Punch stats can be misleading but I don't think Hopkins landed enough punches to win the fight, if you want me drag this explaination out for 2 paragraphs I will but thats the bottom line. If Hopkins had of landed one decent shot to 5 Calzaghe flurries then I agree you could make a case for giving him rounds but even that wasn't happening.

IMO after the 10-8 in the first the only way Calzaghe could have lost on the cards was if the judges were too fond of scoring even rounds.

Oh, BTW don't fucking patronize me. If you wrote what you meant to get across I wouldn't have to 'unpack' the meaning of your posts but actually nailing down your opinions would leave you less wriggle room I suppose.
This is the crux of the matter. Too many people seem to think you can win a round by scoring one clean punch, and getting outworked the rest. That is what happened from about round 4 onwards.

[Lampley]

For the past three years, Hopkins has been trying to win all his fights by throwing one punch at a time and spending the rest of the round holding, butting and otherwise fighting very negatively.

I thought Joe looked liked a declined fighter but still won 10 rounds. Maybe that's a little high (certainly, most don't have it that pronounced), but Calzaghe made the fight and landed more shots, while Bernard had a showy counter here and there.

Easy fight to score, I thought, especially the second half.

[GazOC]

For the past three years, Hopkins has been trying to win all his fights by throwing one punch at a time and spending the rest of the round holding, butting and otherwise fighting very negatively.

He's 43 and thats the way he has to fight these days but he shouldn't be scoring points with it under the guise of "old school ring generalship", which seems to be happening a fair bit.

[Lampley]

He's 43 and thats the way he has to fight these days but he shouldn't be scoring points with it under the guise of "old school ring generalship", which seems to be happening a fair bit.

Right. He's amazing for his age, but you can't score rounds in his favor just because he's old.

[GazOC]

I wasn't "banging on" about terminology, I was making the point (once!!) that to say Hopkins was scoring with "professional punches" is pretty meaningless. The same as not doing much but holding and fouling shouldn't be confused with ring generalship.

Its true that the fight was largely fought at a pace dictated by Hopkins', and he deserves credit for that, but thats not enough to allow him to win rounds with the punch output he was capable of.

I'm not a 'mardy' poster, but it comes across as pretty arrogant when somebody tells me that I need make the effort to 'unpack' the meaning of his posts like he's handing down pearls of wisdom sent from on high. I'd have probably made a bit more effort if you'd have just swallowed your pride over that ridiculous 'near arse-kicking' remark and admit you were wrong instead of trying to bluster your way through it.

Jones isn't anywhere near as an interesting fight as Pavlik would have been, but Internet fans don't get to pick the big fights very often......unfortuneatly!!!

[GazOC]

Yep, thats the internet for ya!! Full of mardy, arrogant bastards!!;)

TBH I don't think Pavlik has 'broken out' of just being known to the boxing crowd but RJJ still has a massive name with general sports fans.

I'd love to know which fight would gross more money, JC-RJJ in Vegas, JC-Pavlik in Vegas or the same fights at Wembley /the Millenium?

My guess is the gate in the UK would be a lot better for a Jones fight but maybe the PPV and casino site fee would offset this for a Vegas fight with Pavlik???

I suppose the fact that a Jones fight (as well as being easier) means that Calzaghe can split the promotional profits with Jones rather than involve Arum would be attractive to JC?

[GazOC]

No worries mate, I guess it was 6 of one, half a dozen of the other!!:D

I listened to Jay-Z on Radio 1, he seemed to go across pretty well. He came out to Wonderwall, pretty funny!:good

[Max Molyneux]

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Well Frank hasn't wrote anything bad about Joe for leaving him In that article anyway.

[Beeston Brawler]

Maybe Frank has been on holiday :rofl

I was very surprised at the lack of anti-Calzaghe sentiment in the column, I must say.

[Max Molyneux]

Calzaghe has been very loyal to him though compared to other fighters who left Frank for more money.